FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down. Miller is doing the same thing with Greenland.

Bessent is the only one that comes off as a professional, he may be arrogant and condescenting but he explains what is going on, why and the anticipated outcome. If you noticed, the tariffs have calmed down.

All those situations if handled correctly and openly at the beginning would have been positives building trust and credibility. They chose the opposite, now everyone believes if they do not hold their feet to the fire they won't handle things responsibly. Get it? That is the problem.

Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

They seem to bristle at having to be part of the Government and its checks/balances, so they strike out that they don't need it or nothing was done wrong. Rather than saying they are part of the process.

I think the part MAGA doesn't get is they are right, they will never get the Progressives that are protesting and they have MAGA. It is the 48% Independents they have to worry about. Those people, I am one of them, value the US systems and processes. Going off saying we can do everything on Presidential Authority alone, even if technically legal, is going to alienate those votes the GOP needs. That is my analysis.

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Oldbear83 said:

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" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

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ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

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They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.

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And if Law Enforcement is doing something unlawful, do you have the right to call them out on it? Do you have the right to protest?

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Ahhh, false insinuation without merit from the board's cop-hater.

Noted.

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

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ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

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They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.

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And if Law Enforcement is doing something unlawful, do you have the right to call them out on it? Do you have the right to protest?

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they werent doing anything unlawful but, yes, you have those rights until you overstep and obstruct.

Then you have the right to remain silent..

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You don't know if they weren't doing anything, we won't know until the investigation is complete to what happened. Not one view of video on TV, not one interview with Noem. They are investigating the whole situation. That will determine what happened and who was wrong.

Yes, remain silent. Not shot dead...

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she ran her car at a law enforcement officer. On ice so it didnt go as planned but she was staring at him when she accelerated. That is video we do have..

She resisted arrest. She resisted detainment after obstructing. She fled and the results are the results.

This is 100 on her actions.

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She was not staring at him. She barely glanced his way, if at all.

FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

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ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

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They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.

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And if Law Enforcement is doing something unlawful, do you have the right to call them out on it? Do you have the right to protest?

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That's the problem: the ICE are doing something lawful. They have complete authority to arrest any illegal alien anywhere in the US and any citizen interfering with that legal obligation.

At the heart of the matter is that the Leftists want as many illegal aliens in the US to help them steal elections and defraud taxpayers. It's very telling that they almost never mention these ongoing scandals that they are involved in neck deep.

The fascists are the party of fraud, murder, rape, and every other crime. They have declared war on America because they hate this country irrationally. And they routinely use extreme (fascist) tactics of violence, propaganda, lies, law fare, etc to achieve their evil agenda. And they will continue doing so until enough of them end up in prison.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

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ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

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They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.

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And if Law Enforcement is doing something unlawful, do you have the right to call them out on it? Do you have the right to protest?

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They have complete authority to arrest any illegal alien anywhere in the US and any citizen interfering with that legal obligation.

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No, they do not.

I think investigations of these incidents is pretty much standard practice. However, it needs to be a real investigation not a Leftist hatchet job. I don't think anyone can trust the local officials in Minneapolis to do that given that they have ignored blatant fraud by the Somalis (& others?) for at least a decade (were they getting a cut?) and Leftists in general have a terrible track record in seeking justice for criminals or heroes falsely accused: the BLM riots, Derek Chauvin, Daniel Penny, Donald Trump (repeatedly), and many others over the past 30+ years.

The fascists cannot be trusted to do anything honestly or for the benefit of the American people.

Yes they do. That is why ICE exists: to enforce immigration laws. What do you think ICE stands for?

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I think investigations of these incidents is pretty much standard practice. However, it needs to be a real investigation not a Leftist hatchet job. I don't think anyone can trust the local officials in Minneapolis to do that given that they have ignored blatant fraud by the Somalis (& others?) for at least a decade (were they getting a cut?) and Leftists in general have a terrible track record in seeking justice for criminals or heroes falsely accused: the BLM riots, Derek Chauvin, Daniel Penny, Donald Trump (repeatedly), and many others over the past 30+ years.

The fascists cannot be trusted to do anything honestly or for the benefit of the American people.

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Real investigation is correct. Not a leftist hatchet job and not a right-wing rubberstamp. There needs to be transparency.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

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ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

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They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.

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And if Law Enforcement is doing something unlawful, do you have the right to call them out on it? Do you have the right to protest?

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They have complete authority to arrest any illegal alien anywhere in the US and any citizen interfering with that legal obligation.

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No, they do not.

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Sam proving yet again that he does not understand law.

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Yes they do. That is why ICE exists: to enforce immigration laws. What do you think ICE stands for?

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I don't think it stands for "Arrest and Deport Without a Warrant."

Agreed

Not a problem, since mist of the illegals they are arresting already have deportation orders authorized by a judge.

However, since fake president Biden brought in millions of illegals, treasonously facilitating an invasion, it's impossible to give every single one of them a hearing and most Americans don't expect that.

They are illegal: they have no right to be in America.

FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

---

They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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As if she was shot because the agent thought she deserved it rather than the shooting being a life or death moment for the agent.

Well, it's certain that you are not handling this discussion well, FLBear.

Oldbear83 said:

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Well, it's certain that you are not handling this discussion well, FLBear.

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I think FL and Sam have a lot riding on little boys being sex trafficked, which explains they're hatred of ICE.

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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As if she was shot because the agent thought she deserved it rather than the shooting being a life or death moment for the agent.

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Yep...every cop fears that life or death moment where he's standing by the driver's side window emptying his mag into Karen's face just in case she survived the shot through the windshield.

Oldbear83 said:

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Well, it's certain that you are not handling this discussion well, FLBear.

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Actually, I am handling it very well. You and the others disagree, that is the best sign I am on the right track.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well, it's certain that you are not handling this discussion well, FLBear.

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Actually, I am handling it very well. You and the others disagree, that is the best sign I am on the right track.

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<chuckle>

Keep telling yourself that, sport. None of the adults will buy it, but you do you.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well, it's certain that you are not handling this discussion well, FLBear.

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Actually, I am handling it very well. You and the others disagree, that is the best sign I am on the right track.

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Wear it with honor.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well, it's certain that you are not handling this discussion well, FLBear.

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Actually, I am handling it very well. You and the others disagree, that is the best sign I am on the right track.

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<chuckle>

Keep telling yourself that, sport. None of the adults will buy it, but you do you.

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A decent comment? You going soft? Must be late.

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well, it's certain that you are not handling this discussion well, FLBear.

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Actually, I am handling it very well. You and the others disagree, that is the best sign I am on the right track.

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<chuckle>

Keep telling yourself that, sport. None of the adults will buy it, but you do you.

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A decent comment? You going soft? Must be late.

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Have to say I do not agree - at all - with your position. But it's a discussion, not a pep rally.

Besides, if I get mad now, what will I do when we play Tech this week?

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

---

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

---

Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

---

They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

---

Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

---

You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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Nope, that's still a lie. Car hit the agent before he fired. They told her to move the car multiple times in multiple locations. Your idea of de-escalation was tried and failed, multiple times in multiple locations with these dykes.

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

---

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

---

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

---

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

---

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

---

You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

---

Wait, when did that happen?

---

We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

---

They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

---

Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

---

You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

---

No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

---

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

---

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

---

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

---

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

---

You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

---

Wait, when did that happen?

---

We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

---

They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

---

Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

---

You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

---

No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

---

Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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a couple days ago he and Sam swore the agent wasn't even in front of the vehicle and never got hit by the vehicle. They're just lying in order to troll.