LOL. If Trump "ain't worth your time any longer" then why do you continue to obsess about him 24/7 in such an unhealthy way? Admit it - the man continuously lives rent free in your sick TDS stricken brain. Seriously - you are at or beyond Rosie O'Donnell levels of delusion.

Here's a "serious question" for you - why are you so either ashamed or embarrassed to admit what you really are, which is a devout lefty butt hurt that your gal Kommiela lost and we aren't currently suffering through the 4th term of Obama?

Lots of reasons to have voted for him, as I tried to explain on another thread.

As I said on another thread, our country was in a downward spiral prior to Trump, between out of control inflation, open borders, refusal to acknowledge biological differences between the sexes, the worst foreign policy decisions since Bush, political prosecutions, shutting down free speech, etc. Our country was going to ****, and now some semblance of normal has been restored. We are net neutral on immigration. The economy is doing well. The women and men are the same crap has been seen for the foolishness it is. Inflation has been reduced drastically. And some semblance of normal has returned. Seeing people patriotic and standing for the national anthem this past weekend was a welcome change from the identity and grievance politics of the last 4 years.

Do I like everything he's done, or some of his boorish behavior? Absolutely not. I think tariffs were a huge mistake, and I think alienating our allies over silly territorial issues is just utterly stupid. I think he's a thin-skinned child in many ways. So many of the things you dislike about him, so do I.

But as I said on another thread, the choice between evil policies and a mixed bag of good and bad policies should be an easy decision for any reasonable person.

The best part about Trump is that he angers absolute dumbest pieces of **** in our society. That alone is worth my vote.

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Lots of reasons to have voted for him, as I tried to explain on another thread.

As I said on another thread, our country was in a downward spiral prior to Trump, between out of control inflation, open borders, refusal to acknowledge biological differences between the sexes, the worst foreign policy decisions since Bush, political prosecutions, shutting down free speech, etc. Our country was going to ****, and now some semblance of normal has been restored. We are net neutral on immigration. The economy is doing well. The women and men are the same crap has been seen for the foolishness it is. Inflation has been reduced drastically. And some semblance of normal has returned. Seeing people patriotic and standing for the national anthem this past weekend was a welcome change from the identity and grievance politics of the last 4 years.

Do I like everything he's done, or some of his boorish behavior? Absolutely not. I think tariffs were a huge mistake, and I think alienating our allies over silly territorial issues is just utterly stupid. I think he's a thin-skinned child in many ways. So many of the things you dislike about him, so do I.

But as I said on another thread, the choice between evil policies and a mixed bag of good and bad policies should be an easy decision for any reasonable person.

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You think the tariffs were a mistake? How else are we supposed to reduce our trade deficit and get more favorable trade deals? Trump is right that we have been getting robbed on trade for a long time.

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Mothra said:

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Lots of reasons to have voted for him, as I tried to explain on another thread.

As I said on another thread, our country was in a downward spiral prior to Trump, between out of control inflation, open borders, refusal to acknowledge biological differences between the sexes, the worst foreign policy decisions since Bush, political prosecutions, shutting down free speech, etc. Our country was going to ****, and now some semblance of normal has been restored. We are net neutral on immigration. The economy is doing well. The women and men are the same crap has been seen for the foolishness it is. Inflation has been reduced drastically. And some semblance of normal has returned. Seeing people patriotic and standing for the national anthem this past weekend was a welcome change from the identity and grievance politics of the last 4 years.

Do I like everything he's done, or some of his boorish behavior? Absolutely not. I think tariffs were a huge mistake, and I think alienating our allies over silly territorial issues is just utterly stupid. I think he's a thin-skinned child in many ways. So many of the things you dislike about him, so do I.

But as I said on another thread, the choice between evil policies and a mixed bag of good and bad policies should be an easy decision for any reasonable person.

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You think the tariffs were a mistake? How else are we supposed to reduce our trade deficit and get more favorable trade deals? Trump is right that we have been getting robbed on trade for a long time.

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Blanket tariffs were a huge mistake. They've been a detriment to job growth, and have been responsible for thousands of job losses. They've provided no benefit to the economy whatsoever. Manufacturing was never moving from Vietnam to the US. That's because we can't make cheap products here, and nobody wants to do those jobs anyway.

If you are a free market capitalist, you are against tariffs, which throughout history, have a very bad track record.

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Serious question. Not intended on a big fight over Trump. That POS ain't worth my time any longer.

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I think he is a big child but way better than Biden or Harris, and I think the results bear that out.

I'm more fascinated by the folks like you who have just lost their absolute mind over him. There must be a psychological explanation for it, I just don't get it.

I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

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Well said.

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I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

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You might wanna go grab some reservation. There is no evidence at all that our country would've pulled back after that. In fact, there's a good chance that we would have imported so many illegals, and found other ways to rig voting, that it would not have been possible.

We are going to get there eventually. It's just a matter of how fast you want to get there.

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sombear said:

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I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

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You might wanna go grab some reservation. There is no evidence at all that our country would've pulled back after that. In fact, there's a good chance that we would have imported so many illegals, and found other ways to rig voting, that it would not have been possible.

We are going to get there eventually. It's just a matter of how fast you want to get there.

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Well, voting is one thing you won't have to worry about if Trump gets his way.

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I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

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You might wanna go grab some reservation. There is no evidence at all that our country would've pulled back after that. In fact, there's a good chance that we would have imported so many illegals, and found other ways to rig voting, that it would not have been possible.

We are going to get there eventually. It's just a matter of how fast you want to get there.

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Well, voting is one thing you won't have to worry about if Trump gets his way.

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Oh? Is he going to act like democrats and just install candidates for the Republican Party without votes?

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I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

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You might wanna go grab some reservation. There is no evidence at all that our country would've pulled back after that. In fact, there's a good chance that we would have imported so many illegals, and found other ways to rig voting, that it would not have been possible.

We are going to get there eventually. It's just a matter of how fast you want to get there.

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Well, voting is one thing you won't have to worry about if Trump gets his way.

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I predict that I get to vote for a presidential candidate in 2028 and that our votes in the aggregate are consequential. What do you want to bet?

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

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You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

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I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

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You might wanna go grab some reservation. There is no evidence at all that our country would've pulled back after that. In fact, there's a good chance that we would have imported so many illegals, and found other ways to rig voting, that it would not have been possible.

We are going to get there eventually. It's just a matter of how fast you want to get there.

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Well, voting is one thing you won't have to worry about if Trump gets his way.

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Oh? Is he going to act like democrats and just install candidates for the Republican Party without votes?

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Just part of Sam's chicken little schtick. It never comes true, of course.

Trump has to be the worst of what both sides feared. He is a threat to our Constitution by creating an imperial Presidency, he has weaponized the Fed, insulted and alienated 100 years of allies and used the Presidency for personal profit. Pretty much a slam dunk. All the while losing the part of himself that was positive in the 1st term.

He has made it worse surrounding himself with yes-men who do not question. His minions wont let anyone question. He is pretty much the worst President of my lifetime.

We are now disrespecting NATOs Afghanistan dead. Where is the outcry from those that were calling the Ukraine supporters Rambo for selling Ukraine weapons? Crickets.

This is who we are?

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Serious question. Not intended on a big fight over Trump. That POS ain't worth my time any longer.

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Calm down my friend! Just saw a clip from Trump's presser where he says he wants to put a 10 percent cap on credit cards for one year. He said this will give "billions"_of Americans debt relief. Yes, " billions." Only problem is the American population is currently around 340 million people.

The man literally pulls numbers out of his ass and his worshipping followers never question a thing he says.

I will try to post the clip.

If you don't have borders, you don't have a country.

Donald Trump is the first Republican with a national presence since Patrick Buchanan who has been willing to tackle the immigration problem head on.

If this isn't fixed the country is dead.

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I am most concerned about our deteriorated relationships with our best allies.

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I could, of course, be wrong, but I'm really not concerned about that at all. Many of them have been taking advantage of us for a long time, and it was time for a level set.

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Trump has to be the worst of what both sides feared. He is a threat to our Constitution by creating an imperial Presidency, he has weaponized the Fed, insulted and alienated 100 years of allies and used the Presidency for personal profit. Pretty much a slam dunk. All the while losing the part of himself that was positive in the 1st term.

He has made it worse surrounding himself with yes-men who do not question. His minions wont let anyone question. He is pretty much the worst President of my lifetime.

We are now disrespecting NATOs Afghanistan dead. Where is the outcry from those that were calling the Ukraine supporters Rambo for selling Ukraine weapons? Crickets.

This is who we are?

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My gosh is this well said. It's difficult to fathom how bad he has been.

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I am most concerned about our deteriorated relationships with our best allies.

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I could, of course, be wrong, but I'm really not concerned about that at all. Many of them have been taking advantage of us for a long time, and it was time for a level set.

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I love you man, but on this we will agree to disagree. "These countries have been ripping us off for years" means that other countries have been selling us inexpensive products for years and Trump will not stand for it. Trump's cover charge of 10 percent at the door just to do business with us is arrogant and putting a drag on the world economy. Canada is making trade deals with China for crying out loud. Trump continues to defecate on Canada and Mexico and it will cost us dearly in the long run.

Some of you people amaze me. You want Trump to be the typical pussified Republican that bends over and takes everything the Democrats throw at him.

They tried to bankrupt him. They tried to take his freedom. And when those failed, they tried to kill him.

Trump has every reason to fight as dirty as the Democrats do.

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J.R. said:

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Serious question. Not intended on a big fight over Trump. That POS ain't worth my time any longer.

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I think he is a big child but way better than Biden or Harris, and I think the results bear that out.

I'm more fascinated by the folks like you who have just lost their absolute mind over him. There must be a psychological explanation for it, I just don't get it.

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It's really simple. I'm done with pig-man taking up space. The only reason I bag hard on Trump is that I do believe he a horrible leader of our country.

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I am most concerned about our deteriorated relationships with our best allies.

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I could, of course, be wrong, but I'm really not concerned about that at all. Many of them have been taking advantage of us for a long time, and it was time for a level set.

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I love you man, but on this we will agree to disagree. "These countries have been ripping us off for years" means that other countries have been selling us inexpensive products for years and Trump will not stand for it. Trump's cover charge of 10 percent at the door just to do business with us is arrogant and putting a drag on the world economy. Canada is making trade deals with China for crying out loud. Trump continues to defecate on Canada and Mexico and it will cost us dearly in the long run.

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Lots of countries were levying one way tariffs against us and had been for a long time. We now have more reasonable and balanced trade deals. And I think we've been paying over 2/3 of the total NATO defense spending. I don't come close to agreeing with all of the things that Trump has done in these regards, but some reset of expectations was called for. Plus, Trump will roll off in a few years, and whoever is behind him will not be remotely as bold about throwing their weight around.