Trump once again being his own worst enemy

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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 9:44p, 2/9/26
Harrison Bergeron said:
whiterock said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Stefano DiMera said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.


Haha Trump is in office because his admin and sychophants has done an AMAZING job in convincing the poor and uneducated white man that the brown man .. and black man.. is responsible for their plight.

Why anyone else.. the educated or middle to upper class supports him .. that's for you to answer..


The irony of your post is I could ask you to name five policies of President Trump that you oppose ... and you cannot. But thanks for the silly Talking Points.

Speaking of silly talking points, name five policies of President Trump that you support......

1. Lower federal taxes
2. Closing the borders
3. Protecting women from dudes in dresses
4. Removing racist policies
5. Closing wasteful spending like USAID, etc.

See ... it's not hard if you're actually thinking.


6. Energy independence
7. Strengthen National security
8. Increase research into marijuana
9. Repeal of green subsidies
10. Prescription drug pricing
11. MAHA commission
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 2:14a, 2/10/26
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This group in general is most likely suffering on the wrong side of the K shaped economy





Exactly what I said earlier in this thread.. he convinced the poor uneducated white man that the brown and black man are responsible for their plight.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 2:44a, 2/10/26
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.


You do realize that the teleprompter doesn't construct the message, don't you? It's another sign of preparation. You seem to think having technology that helps craft and communicate a concise message of horrible.

This is the National Prayer meeting.



The "off the cuff" you like shows lack of preparation and discipline.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 2:46a, 2/10/26
Mitch Blood Green said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.


You do realize that the teleprompter doesn't construct the message, don't you? It's another sign of preparation. You seem to think having technology that helps craft and communicate a concise message of horrible.

This is the National Prayer meeting. No where near on point for what a National Prayer meeting's purpose.



The "off the cuff" you like shows lack of preparation and discipline.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 7:08a, 2/10/26
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 7:12a, 2/10/26
Harrison Bergeron said:
whiterock said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Stefano DiMera said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.


Haha Trump is in office because his admin and sychophants has done an AMAZING job in convincing the poor and uneducated white man that the brown man .. and black man.. is responsible for their plight.

Why anyone else.. the educated or middle to upper class supports him .. that's for you to answer..


The irony of your post is I could ask you to name five policies of President Trump that you oppose ... and you cannot. But thanks for the silly Talking Points.

Speaking of silly talking points, name five policies of President Trump that you support......

1. Lower federal taxes
2. Closing the borders
3. Protecting women from dudes in dresses
4. Removing racist policies
5. Closing wasteful spending like USAID, etc.

See ... it's not hard if you're actually thinking.

I agree he's been successful on those five things.
Which of them would you give up to make the stuff you find objectionable go away?

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In reply to 30aBear • 7:33a, 2/10/26
30aBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
whiterock said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Stefano DiMera said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.


Haha Trump is in office because his admin and sychophants has done an AMAZING job in convincing the poor and uneducated white man that the brown man .. and black man.. is responsible for their plight.

Why anyone else.. the educated or middle to upper class supports him .. that's for you to answer..


The irony of your post is I could ask you to name five policies of President Trump that you oppose ... and you cannot. But thanks for the silly Talking Points.

Speaking of silly talking points, name five policies of President Trump that you support......

1. Lower federal taxes
2. Closing the borders
3. Protecting women from dudes in dresses
4. Removing racist policies
5. Closing wasteful spending like USAID, etc.

See ... it's not hard if you're actually thinking.


6. Energy independence
7. Strengthen National security
8. Increase research into marijuana
9. Repeal of green subsidies
10. Prescription drug pricing
11. MAHA commission

12. Continuation of the Global Arbys Movement.

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In reply to whiterock • 7:56a, 2/10/26
whiterock said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
whiterock said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Stefano DiMera said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.


Haha Trump is in office because his admin and sychophants has done an AMAZING job in convincing the poor and uneducated white man that the brown man .. and black man.. is responsible for their plight.

Why anyone else.. the educated or middle to upper class supports him .. that's for you to answer..


The irony of your post is I could ask you to name five policies of President Trump that you oppose ... and you cannot. But thanks for the silly Talking Points.

Speaking of silly talking points, name five policies of President Trump that you support......

1. Lower federal taxes
2. Closing the borders
3. Protecting women from dudes in dresses
4. Removing racist policies
5. Closing wasteful spending like USAID, etc.

See ... it's not hard if you're actually thinking.

I agree he's been successful on those five things.
Which of them would you give up to make the stuff you find objectionable go away?

It's all relative and hard to talk about trade-offs without specificity.

My biggest complaint with the administration are the tariffs both philosophically and operationally. I likely would trade #3 for a more rational tariff policy.

Take note - I have answered twice with the TDSers hide behind their hysterics and cannot provide specifics (as usual).
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:59a, 2/10/26
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.

Obama is probably the only president who had the have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary school class. Guy cannot speak extemporaneously to save his life. Again, you always revert to these weird black-and-white poles ... yes presidents have speech writers but most are able to do impromptu interview or talk without needed a prompter. Your TDS really is making you seem unhinged.
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Harrison Bergeron said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.

Obama is probably the only president who had the have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary school class. Guy cannot speak extemporaneously to save his life. Again, you always revert to these weird black-and-white poles ... yes presidents have speech writers but most are able to do impromptu interview or talk without needed a prompter. Your TDS really is making you seem unhinged.

Like the Biden and the Easter Bunny. I have no response to that. Did not know that. Do know his Chief Speech writer is the guy who Directed "Elf" and was in Couples Retreat. I like his movies, politics may be a bit left for my taste.
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Harrison Bergeron said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.

Obama is probably the only president who had the have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary school class. Guy cannot speak extemporaneously to save his life. Again, you always revert to these weird black-and-white poles ... yes presidents have speech writers but most are able to do impromptu interview or talk without needed a prompter. Your TDS really is making you seem unhinged.

Despite of all the damage Obama caused in US race relations.......he was a blessing compared to the intentional / widespread / horrific chaos Joe Biden inflicted upon our country.
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KaiBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.

Obama is probably the only president who had the have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary school class. Guy cannot speak extemporaneously to save his life. Again, you always revert to these weird black-and-white poles ... yes presidents have speech writers but most are able to do impromptu interview or talk without needed a prompter. Your TDS really is making you seem unhinged.

Despite of all the damage Obama caused in US race relations.......he was a blessing compared to the intentional / widespread damage Joe Biden inflicted upon our country.

Very true
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KaiBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.

Obama is probably the only president who had the have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary school class. Guy cannot speak extemporaneously to save his life. Again, you always revert to these weird black-and-white poles ... yes presidents have speech writers but most are able to do impromptu interview or talk without needed a prompter. Your TDS really is making you seem unhinged.

Despite of all the damage Obama caused in US race relations.......he was a blessing compared to the intentional / widespread / horrific chaos Joe Biden inflicted upon our country.

Except that The Biden Administration for all intents and purposes was the 3rd term of Obama with a figure head POTUS and a goal of doing the opposite of Trump - regardless of how disastrous doing so might be for the country and the world.
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This group in general is most likely suffering on the wrong side of the K shaped economy





Exactly what I said earlier in this thread.. democrats convinced the poor uneducated white liberal woman and brown and black people that the straight Christian white man is responsible for their plight.
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Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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30aBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
whiterock said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Stefano DiMera said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.


Haha Trump is in office because his admin and sychophants has done an AMAZING job in convincing the poor and uneducated white man that the brown man .. and black man.. is responsible for their plight.

Why anyone else.. the educated or middle to upper class supports him .. that's for you to answer..


The irony of your post is I could ask you to name five policies of President Trump that you oppose ... and you cannot. But thanks for the silly Talking Points.

Speaking of silly talking points, name five policies of President Trump that you support......

1. Lower federal taxes
2. Closing the borders
3. Protecting women from dudes in dresses
4. Removing racist policies
5. Closing wasteful spending like USAID, etc.

See ... it's not hard if you're actually thinking.


6. Energy independence
7. Strengthen National security
8. Increase research into marijuana
9. Repeal of green subsidies
10. Prescription drug pricing
11. MAHA commission

12. Continuation of the Global Arbys Movement.

- UF

D!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }


13. Dow Jones over 50k!!
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
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KaiBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.

Obama is probably the only president who had the have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary school class. Guy cannot speak extemporaneously to save his life. Again, you always revert to these weird black-and-white poles ... yes presidents have speech writers but most are able to do impromptu interview or talk without needed a prompter. Your TDS really is making you seem unhinged.

Despite of all the damage Obama caused in US race relations.......he was a blessing compared to the intentional / widespread / horrific chaos Joe Biden inflicted upon our country.

Biden has been a brain-dead moron his entire career.

The Biden presidency was Obama's third term ... Obama's racist, divisive, chaotic philosophy only fully bloomed under Oatmeal Brains.
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Harrison Bergeron said:
KaiBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.

Obama is probably the only president who had the have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary school class. Guy cannot speak extemporaneously to save his life. Again, you always revert to these weird black-and-white poles ... yes presidents have speech writers but most are able to do impromptu interview or talk without needed a prompter. Your TDS really is making you seem unhinged.

Despite of all the damage Obama caused in US race relations.......he was a blessing compared to the intentional / widespread / horrific chaos Joe Biden inflicted upon our country.

Biden has been a brain-dead moron his entire career.

The Biden presidency was Obama's third term ... Obama's racist, divisive, chaotic philosophy only fully bloomed under Oatmeal Brains.

Biden was always just the puppet. That's why he was restricted to his basment in the 2020 campaign. Others pulled the strings and damn near destroyed the country. Yet Biden still magically got 17 million votes more than Obama OR Harris . That requires a broad sense of humor to believe.
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KaiBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
KaiBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

All Presidents have speech writers. All use teleprompters because what they say is important, not just to the US but the world. Presidential messages are, or were, carefully measured because Nations, Markets and people's lives are impacted by what the President says.

Every President has speech writers. Obama's speech writers were: John Favreau was his Chief Speech Writer, but there were 2 others. Reagan had Peggy Noonan, she also wrote for Bush. We can go on back to Washington and James Madison.

Trump has Stephen Miller... Really. Trump has set back the meaning and effect of Presidential messaging to the bottom. He has turned it into a reality TV show.

Obama is probably the only president who had the have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary school class. Guy cannot speak extemporaneously to save his life. Again, you always revert to these weird black-and-white poles ... yes presidents have speech writers but most are able to do impromptu interview or talk without needed a prompter. Your TDS really is making you seem unhinged.

Despite of all the damage Obama caused in US race relations.......he was a blessing compared to the intentional / widespread / horrific chaos Joe Biden inflicted upon our country.

Biden has been a brain-dead moron his entire career.

The Biden presidency was Obama's third term ... Obama's racist, divisive, chaotic philosophy only fully bloomed under Oatmeal Brains.

Biden was always just the puppet. That's why he was restricted to his basment in the 2020 campaign. Others pulled the strings and damn near destroyed the country. Yet Biden still magically got 17 million votes more than Obama OR Harris . That requires a broad sense of humor to believe.

Everything that the LWNJs believe takes a broad sense of humor to believe.
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Mitch Blood Green said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.


You do realize that the teleprompter doesn't construct the message, don't you? It's another sign of preparation. You seem to think having technology that helps craft and communicate a concise message of horrible.

This is the National Prayer meeting.



The "off the cuff" you like shows lack of preparation and discipline.


Lol, aure, reading a script someone else wrote shows "discipline", some may call it being an actor.

Fwiw, Trump has a speech, he just goes off script. You are one of the ones that prefers being lied to as long as it sounds nice.

Its refreshing to hear a president talk off the cuff. But as I said, in his case you get the good with the bad.
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.


You do realize that the teleprompter doesn't construct the message, don't you? It's another sign of preparation. You seem to think having technology that helps craft and communicate a concise message of horrible.

This is the National Prayer meeting.



The "off the cuff" you like shows lack of preparation and discipline.

It's refreshing to hear a president talk off the cuff.

It's refreshing to have a president that's capable of talking off the cuff.
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Mitch Blood Green said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.


You do realize that the teleprompter doesn't construct the message, don't you? It's another sign of preparation. You seem to think having technology that helps craft and communicate a concise message of horrible.

This is the National Prayer meeting.



The "off the cuff" you like shows lack of preparation and discipline.


Lol, aure, reading a script someone else wrote shows "discipline", some may call it being an actor.

Fwiw, Trump has a speech, he just goes off script. You are one of the ones that prefers being lied to as long as it sounds nice.

Its refreshing to hear a president talk off the cuff. But as I said, in his case you get the good with the bad.

Obama didn't just "read" what was written. He collaborated in the crafting of the message. The country could use some discipline from the current president. It's a wild card when he speaks. You don't know if he's going to **** the mic or **** his pants. I expect at any time him to annouce that he's Iron Man.
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DT has the opportunity and the skills to do some great things for this country. He has already stepped in and facilitated some peace settlements between nations. He has taken control of the border which will hopefully make us a safer nation. He has been instrumental in having illegal criminals apprehended. He is trying to deal with the tariff situation.

But he just doesn't know when to stop when it comes to the rhetoric.

It's all so silly. And it really could lead to a problematic midterm, not to mention the next presidential cycle. It makes me wonder if now that he has become president again, and has got what he wants, does he just not care?

If he truly cares about this country you would think he would be thinking about its trajectory beyond his presidency. I would think that with the ego he has that he would want to go out as one of the greats.

But everything he does is overshadowed by his inability to filter. And he takes it to a whole new level when he gets into it with some silly entertainer.

The dude is apparently already worth 100 million dollars. I doubt he cares what DT thinks of him. And is probably thankful for this controversy surrounding his involvement in the Super Bowl because it will just get more eyes on him, and bring in more wealth. I had never heard of the guy until this whole SB story broke.

Bad Bunny looks like the bigger person right now. Trump is out ridiculousing a guy name "Bad Bunny". You can't write this *****

I'd hardly say he's the bigger person.

True that DT has bigger fish to fry than some yahoo who pontificates about human rights and makes some grandiose stand over how he isn't going to play a concert in the USA until this, that or the other thing happens, only to soon find out he is playing on one of the largest stages in sports. In San Francisco. In California. In the USA.

I guess $$$ really does scream. Even if it's to the point of allowing it to "trump" your grandiose "stands."

Did this dude get his "message" out there? Perhaps. But the only ones who were really listening were those who understood Spanish, or were already part of his choir. And unfortunately for him, there is a large part of the Spanish-speaking world who aren't buying into what he's doing either. He has his choir to whom he is preaching, but outside of them, most just scratch their heads and/or see right through it.

I know he isn't paid by the NFL, but they gave him a stage that will make him even richer.

But therein lies just one of the probs with liberals. They pontificate on everything. And then go directly against their pontificating by leading lives that aren't consistent with their blathering.

Pontificating about human rights, while looking the other way on abortion. Pontificating about global warming, while flying in private jets and driving gas guzzling luxury vehicles. Pontificating about the evils of law enforcement, while hiding behind grand gilded gates, surrounded by, wait for it, security guards. Pontificating about illegal immigrants, while getting all upset when these immigrants are moved into THEIR neighborhoods. Pontificating against capitalism, while leading lives of luxury that come from either their own capitalist ventures, or those of their parents (as long as we got ours right?).

It's all talk, no walk. Which really leads you to wonder if they're authentic about anything. Or mean anything they really say.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.


You do realize that the teleprompter doesn't construct the message, don't you? It's another sign of preparation. You seem to think having technology that helps craft and communicate a concise message of horrible.

This is the National Prayer meeting.



The "off the cuff" you like shows lack of preparation and discipline.


You are one of the ones that prefers being lied to as long as it sounds nice.

So lying is better when it sounds rude and incoherent?
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Mitch Blood Green said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
Frank Galvin said:
Wangchung said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Wangchung said:
"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.


Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

Quote and link?

I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.



Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.


You do realize that the teleprompter doesn't construct the message, don't you? It's another sign of preparation. You seem to think having technology that helps craft and communicate a concise message of horrible.

This is the National Prayer meeting.



The "off the cuff" you like shows lack of preparation and discipline.


Lol, aure, reading a script someone else wrote shows "discipline", some may call it being an actor.

Fwiw, Trump has a speech, he just goes off script. You are one of the ones that prefers being lied to as long as it sounds nice.

Its refreshing to hear a president talk off the cuff. But as I said, in his case you get the good with the bad.

Obama didn't just "read" what was written. He collaborated in the crafting of the message. The country could use some discipline from the current president. It's a wild card when he speaks. You don't know if he's going to **** the mic or **** his pants. I expect at any time him to annouce that he's Iron Man.

Obama was smooth. Trump is blunt. I'll take blunt. Obama was a great speaker and a bad president. Trump isn't an orator, but he's the most transparent president we've had and his policies have been better than anyone's in the last 50 years.
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