President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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Yea its all the Jews/Isreal fault. Sarcasm. What a idiot.
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KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




The more Graham talks…….the more I want his security detail removed.


Nothing like fighting and dying for an old, gay, warhawk.
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Realitybites said:

historian said:

This reminds me of the Gulf War in 1990:



Rush Limbaugh had the original audio of this on the radio with "Bomb Iraq." Just the other day I was thinking it should be revived and someone did!

Nothing about this is like the Gulf War. Iran as a nation state has already hit back harder than Iraq did. Iran is an actual country, with 4x the population and 6x the land mass of Iraq. It's not just lines on a map drawn up by the British in the 1900s.

So if this fails to effect "regime change", what next?

My comparison is valid since it's only about the song. The song is exactly like the one Limbaugh aired during the Gulf War. If you did not listen to it, your ignorance is understandable. Clearly, today's conflict is itself very different than the one 36 years ago.
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FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

william said:

FLBear5630 said:

william said:

FLBear5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

Wangchung said:

Realitybites said:

historian said:

This reminds me of the Gulf War in 1990:



Rush Limbaugh had the original audio of this on the radio with "Bomb Iraq." Just the other day I was thinking it should be revived and someone did!

Nothing about this is like the Gulf War. Iran as a nation state has already hit back harder than Iraq did. Iran is an actual country, with 4x the population and 6x the land mass of Iraq. It's not just lines on a map drawn up by the British in the 1900s.

So if this fails to effect "regime change", what next?

we should probably give it at least 48 hours before declaring failure...

If we're going to war, we probably should think it out a little beyond 48 hours.

Not to worry. It is in fact a 96-hour plan.

Well, we will see. Venezuela may have given Donald a false sense of security. We will see what the follow up moves are. Not Donald's strength. Hope someone thought this out beyond the sound bites. What are the mission objectives? When do they know what success is or isn't? Not hearing much on that.

Not criticism, just discussion now that the initial stage is over.

initial stage is not over - 3 days was - more or less - the initial phase.

- UF

this has been war gamed and planned out for a loooong time.



ok, let me re-phrase. I keep forgetting this Board can require very exact wording from select people. So...

To be exact. Initial contact. Initial contact is over, we made our moves. Iran has now started their moves and will be reaching a re-load point, what adjustments are made? EVERY plan does not go as planned, it is the nature of conflict. Not a value judgement, what has DoD have planned?

ISR knows where everything / everyone is.

so, starting w/ that.....

- UF

and basically no Iranian air defenses, and the ability to drop a precision missile down a chimney stack....

D!




Come on, it is a live war versus a live opponent. It does not go according to a script. Humans are not logical and Religious zealots are even less so.

They are firing missiles. Even the best ADA is not fool proof. What is in the warheads? Where are they aiming?

They hit Dubai and UAE because those populations are not used to war, like Israel. That was a curve ball. How do we react? When politics starts?

They lobbed a few ballistic missiles at the Lincoln. That was a curve. They didn't get close according to CENTCOM, but now you have to work that in. Maybe target lists change? Maybe we have to sent in small groups to take those sites we can't reach with airpower in the mountains.

It gets complicated and it does not mean it is bad or mistake. There are several on here with a lot of real world experience, their inputs on next steps and evaluations are interesting. Some in military, some in law, some in policy, some in intel. If everything has to be cheerleading, no real discussion happens. I for one would love to hear it.



This just feels like the scene of Ace Ventura talking out of his ass cheeks.

Would like to discuss like a rational adult. But, we can't have that. I have family stationed at Doha and another on the way both in AF. So, yeah I have a bit of an interest and hearing "all is well" and if you ask a question or discuss it is talking out of your butt cheeks doesn't really get it done.

It is a bit ironic. Maybe you should look in a mirror some time. This **** impacts people's lives and it is not just a debate to win.

I hope and pray your family, and all Americans in the region, remain safe and well. No one wants innocent casualties from this thing.
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jdub_316 said:

It amazes me of the number of sudden experts when it comes to war fighting and military strategy. When I know none of you have ever planned and executed a Order of Battle war plan (or even know what that means). Much less took the oath, served and wore the uniform.

However, there are many on this board who have. Some have been wounded in battle, and other alums paid the supreme sacrifice.

This group can't even say "Thank You", or that the air raids were incredibly well planned and executed.

And to anyone that's actually supporting the Islamic State of Iran - you can take your civilian, woke ass home.

Signed: A proud Baylor alum and US Air Force Veteran.

Thank you for your service!
I think we can all appreciate the amazing success of this operation in the first 24 hours while also having concerns about how long it will last and what the ramifications will be long term. Naturally, not everyone will have that perspective.
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

As a Christian, you must affirm that any worship outside of Christ is demonic worship. Period.

They've built 48 mosques in Texas in just the last two years. Think about what we're surrounded by



Nonsense. Jews and Muslims are not devil worshipers.

Jews are not although they do reject Jesus Christ, the only way anyone can be saved (John 14:6). Arguably, Muslims do worship Satan because they worship false gods, "Allah" & Muhammad, and all false gods lead back to Satan. For all intents and purposes, Islam is a demonic death cult.
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KaiBear said:

Doc Holliday said:

As a Christian, you must affirm that any worship outside of Christ is demonic worship. Period.

They've built 48 mosques in Texas in just the last two years. Think about what we're surrounded by




My friend...Muslims do not worship the devil.

They merely believe they are entitled to kill all non Muslims and rape their women.

Both are examples of demonic behavior.
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boognish_bear said:



He might not live 48 hours past the public announcement.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

As a Christian, you must affirm that any worship outside of Christ is demonic worship. Period.

They've built 48 mosques in Texas in just the last two years. Think about what we're surrounded by




Nonsense. Jews and Muslims are not devil worshipers.

Anything that is not of Christ, and leads men astray, is the work of Satan. I think the vast majority of Christians understand that (or should).

Are you trying to tell me that Jews worship Satan?

Depends on what you mean by devil worshippers. Has Satan led them astray to the point that they are worshipping something other than God? Indeed. Is that Satanic? Yes, it is.

Demonic forces are at work in this world, leading men astray. We know this from the NT.

Tell me, do you believe that Jews and Muslims are worshipping the same God as Christians? If no, what is it they are worshipping?

I think practice Jews worship the same God the Father while rejecting His Son. Jesus also obeyed and lived His Father. He was a Jew before He created Christianity. Messianic Jews do worship Christ.

It's sad that so many Jews still reject Jesus, although their scriptures point to Him repeatedly, notably in the Psalms & Isaiah. This is particularly true of Psalm 22 (Jesus quoted it from the cross) and Isaiah 53 but there are many other examples. Thankfully there is hope for them and many will be saved. They are like everyone else: Jesus died for everyone and everyone can be saved.
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The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:




The federal income tax in this country should be at the very most a flat tax of 5-10%.

We are the most cucked population on the planet with the most corrupt government and politicians.

In the Gulf Arab states, their citizens dont even pay taxes.

Ideally, the 16th amendment should be repealed and the income tax should be abolished. The federal govt should find other ways to finance its operations at a greatly reduced level. Of course, none of this will happen.

As a step in that direction, I do like the idea of a flat tax of 5-10% for everyone.
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The_barBEARian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

To say there is no difference is to say that Jesus participated in blasphemy, or to say that the Quran is the Word of God just like Genesis.


Probably should move this to the how to get to heaven thread to keep from derailing the war thread.


I'm going to take the unpopular opinion that I'm glad we all have to go to war and give 50% of our income to Israel because Shooter believes in a magic book and sky god...

Oof. Go back to Reddit. Even atheists would find it easier to believe in "a magic book and sky god" than to believe Iranian propaganda about Israel striking a girls school, yet you're deceived enough to have repeated it throughout this thread 10 times.

Praying for you, brother. You're truly lost.

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historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

william said:

FLBear5630 said:

william said:

FLBear5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

Wangchung said:

Realitybites said:

historian said:

This reminds me of the Gulf War in 1990:



Rush Limbaugh had the original audio of this on the radio with "Bomb Iraq." Just the other day I was thinking it should be revived and someone did!

Nothing about this is like the Gulf War. Iran as a nation state has already hit back harder than Iraq did. Iran is an actual country, with 4x the population and 6x the land mass of Iraq. It's not just lines on a map drawn up by the British in the 1900s.

So if this fails to effect "regime change", what next?

we should probably give it at least 48 hours before declaring failure...

If we're going to war, we probably should think it out a little beyond 48 hours.

Not to worry. It is in fact a 96-hour plan.

Well, we will see. Venezuela may have given Donald a false sense of security. We will see what the follow up moves are. Not Donald's strength. Hope someone thought this out beyond the sound bites. What are the mission objectives? When do they know what success is or isn't? Not hearing much on that.

Not criticism, just discussion now that the initial stage is over.

initial stage is not over - 3 days was - more or less - the initial phase.

- UF

this has been war gamed and planned out for a loooong time.



ok, let me re-phrase. I keep forgetting this Board can require very exact wording from select people. So...

To be exact. Initial contact. Initial contact is over, we made our moves. Iran has now started their moves and will be reaching a re-load point, what adjustments are made? EVERY plan does not go as planned, it is the nature of conflict. Not a value judgement, what has DoD have planned?

ISR knows where everything / everyone is.

so, starting w/ that.....

- UF

and basically no Iranian air defenses, and the ability to drop a precision missile down a chimney stack....

D!




Come on, it is a live war versus a live opponent. It does not go according to a script. Humans are not logical and Religious zealots are even less so.

They are firing missiles. Even the best ADA is not fool proof. What is in the warheads? Where are they aiming?

They hit Dubai and UAE because those populations are not used to war, like Israel. That was a curve ball. How do we react? When politics starts?

They lobbed a few ballistic missiles at the Lincoln. That was a curve. They didn't get close according to CENTCOM, but now you have to work that in. Maybe target lists change? Maybe we have to sent in small groups to take those sites we can't reach with airpower in the mountains.

It gets complicated and it does not mean it is bad or mistake. There are several on here with a lot of real world experience, their inputs on next steps and evaluations are interesting. Some in military, some in law, some in policy, some in intel. If everything has to be cheerleading, no real discussion happens. I for one would love to hear it.



This just feels like the scene of Ace Ventura talking out of his ass cheeks.

Would like to discuss like a rational adult. But, we can't have that. I have family stationed at Doha and another on the way both in AF. So, yeah I have a bit of an interest and hearing "all is well" and if you ask a question or discuss it is talking out of your butt cheeks doesn't really get it done.

It is a bit ironic. Maybe you should look in a mirror some time. This **** impacts people's lives and it is not just a debate to win.

I hope and pray your family, and all Americans in the region, remain safe and well. No one wants innocent casualties from this thing.

Thanks. He is doing his job. We will see if Trump is as talented as Bush Sr was in 1990 and gets this thing wrapped up. Tougher opponent, but he made sure Coalition had what they needed to succeed. Trump needs to show he has his **** together like Old Bush did.
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historian said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

As a Christian, you must affirm that any worship outside of Christ is demonic worship. Period.

They've built 48 mosques in Texas in just the last two years. Think about what we're surrounded by




Nonsense. Jews and Muslims are not devil worshipers.

Jews are not although they do reject Jesus Christ, the only way anyone can be saved (John 14:6). Arguably, Muslims do worship Satan because they worship false gods, "Allah" & Muhammad, and all false gods lead back to Satan. For all intents and purposes, Islam is a demonic death cult.

I do not believe they worship Muhammed as a God, just as the God of Abraham's prophet. There are MANY good Moslems. There are bad people in all faiths, just like there are good people. It is the person.
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Yes every faith has the good and the bad. The difference with Christianity is that the bad Christian's are violating the commandments of God while bad Muslims are obeying the commands of Muhammad. Strictly speaking, Muslims don't worship Muhammad as a god but they treat him like one to the point of attacking and killing people who say certain things about him (i.e. that he was a pedophile even though he married a young child) or publishes a cartoon image of him. It is about the deeds as much as the words.

Christianity is distinct from all other religions. Only Christianity preaches love, toleration, charity for all, and genuine compassion (not the fake variety that's so common these days). Other faiths have a strong emphasis on hatred of others and are generally selective in their compassion and charity. This is most obvious with Islam since its history is soaked in the blood of innocents.
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Realitybites said:

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4418568/three-us-f-15s-involved-in-friendly-fire-incident-in-kuwait-pilots-safe/

Glad the pilots are safe, but the past decade or so has made it quite clear that .gov will lie to advance a narrative. Whether it is Bondi/Patel/Bongino lying about Epstein, the previous administration lying about 2020 and Covid, or the Army trying to cover up Pat Tillman's friendly fire death as well as numerous other things I do wonder if this actually was friendly fire.

Centcom has every incentive to call this friendly fire if the Iranians - particularly if Iranian pilots - were responsible.

There have been MANY times imo when the official narrative did not match reality, from both the left and the right.

This post is 100% correct. That said it may have been friendly fire, but if it weren't there are many incentives to claim it was.
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**** Israel.

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Forest Bueller III said:

Realitybites said:

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4418568/three-us-f-15s-involved-in-friendly-fire-incident-in-kuwait-pilots-safe/

Glad the pilots are safe, but the past decade or so has made it quite clear that .gov will lie to advance a narrative. Whether it is Bondi/Patel/Bongino lying about Epstein, the previous administration lying about 2020 and Covid, or the Army trying to cover up Pat Tillman's friendly fire death as well as numerous other things I do wonder if this actually was friendly fire.

Centcom has every incentive to call this friendly fire if the Iranians - particularly if Iranian pilots - were responsible.

There have been MANY times imo when the official narrative did not match reality, from both the left and the right.

This post is 100% correct. That said it may have been friendly fire, but if it weren't there are many incentives to claim it was.

I think friendly fire is not a message the Pentagon wants out there. I see no advantages to that message.
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historian said:

Yes every faith has the good and the bad. The difference with Christianity is that the bad Christian's are violating the commandments of God while bad Muslims are obeying the commands of Muhammad. Strictly speaking, Muslims don't worship Muhammad as a god but they treat him like one to the point of attacking and killing people who say certain things about him (i.e. that he was a pedophile even though he married a young child) or publishes a cartoon image of him. It is about the deeds as much as the words.

Christianity is distinct from all other religions. Only Christianity preaches love, toleration, charity for all, and genuine compassion (not the fake variety that's so common these days). Other faiths have a strong emphasis on hatred of others and are generally selective in their compassion and charity. This is most obvious with Islam since its history is soaked in the blood of innocents.

Hindus aren't bad and are actually discouraged to convert someone to their faith. As a faith it is compatible with a peaceful world. Islam, not so much.
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Maybe Hinduism is not as bad but Hindus persecute Christian's ruthlessly, especially Indians who convert. They can be as intolerant as anyone else.
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BearFan33 said:

historian said:

Yes every faith has the good and the bad. The difference with Christianity is that the bad Christian's are violating the commandments of God while bad Muslims are obeying the commands of Muhammad. Strictly speaking, Muslims don't worship Muhammad as a god but they treat him like one to the point of attacking and killing people who say certain things about him (i.e. that he was a pedophile even though he married a young child) or publishes a cartoon image of him. It is about the deeds as much as the words.

Christianity is distinct from all other religions. Only Christianity preaches love, toleration, charity for all, and genuine compassion (not the fake variety that's so common these days). Other faiths have a strong emphasis on hatred of others and are generally selective in their compassion and charity. This is most obvious with Islam since its history is soaked in the blood of innocents.

Hindus aren't bad and are actually discouraged to convert someone to their faith. As a faith it is compatible with a peaceful world. Islam, not so much.

Nothing really compares to the horrific evil that is Islam.


Another example:




Show me any Christian theologian who teaches that rape is acceptable.... only Islam is that evil.
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Says that is AI
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FLBear5630 said:


I think friendly fire is not a message the Pentagon wants out there. I see no advantages to that message.


Our side has claimed that the IDF has achieved air superiority. If the Iranian Air Force is shooting down F-15s in Kuwaiti airspace, that clearly is not the case.
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Maybe after Trump is done with Iran, he can focus on these evil *******s in our backyard!



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Texas has the worst and stupidest politicians...

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Time for a good spirted game of Cowboys verses Muslims.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

As a Christian, you must affirm that any worship outside of Christ is demonic worship. Period.

They've built 48 mosques in Texas in just the last two years. Think about what we're surrounded by




Nonsense. Jews and Muslims are not devil worshipers.

Anything that is not of Christ, and leads men astray, is the work of Satan. I think the vast majority of Christians understand that (or should).

Are you trying to tell me that Jews worship Satan?

Tell me, do you believe that Jews and Muslims are worshipping the same God as Christians? If no, what is it they are worshipping?

Yes.

And since you believe that Muslims and Jews likewise worship the triune God of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, do you believe they are saved?

I didn't say that, and you didn't answer my question.

I asked you whether Jews and Muslims worship the same God as Christians, and your response was "Yes."

That being the case, what God do you believe Christians worship? I am not Catholic, but it's my understanding that even the Catholics believe (or purport to believe) in a triune God. Is that not what you believe?

As for the Jews and Muslims, they aren't worshipping God at all. There is only one God, and it is the triune God of the NT. If you don't believe in that God, then you are worshipping something else entirely. What it is, I am not sure. Maybe just a figment of their imagination. But whatever it is, it is indeed of the devil.



Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship the God of Abraham, but only Christians understand his triune nature.

I'm still curious what you think is the Good News and why Catholics don't believe it.

No, it's not God's nature Jews and Muslims get wrong, but God himself. They don't worship the true God of the universe.

As for Catholics, they don't believe salvation is a free gift, but instead they believe in a works-based faith. I've encountered Catholics who I believe are Christian, and although misguided on some issues, get the important points right. You are not one of them, based on many of your comments on this board, as well as the issues you support.

Unbelievable.
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historian said:

jdub_316 said:

It amazes me of the number of sudden experts when it comes to war fighting and military strategy. When I know none of you have ever planned and executed a Order of Battle war plan (or even know what that means). Much less took the oath, served and wore the uniform.

However, there are many on this board who have. Some have been wounded in battle, and other alums paid the supreme sacrifice.

This group can't even say "Thank You", or that the air raids were incredibly well planned and executed.

And to anyone that's actually supporting the Islamic State of Iran - you can take your civilian, woke ass home.

Signed: A proud Baylor alum and US Air Force Veteran.

Thank you for your service!
I think we can all appreciate the amazing success of this operation in the first 24 hours while also having concerns about how long it will last and what the ramifications will be long term. Naturally, not everyone will have that perspective.

The main ramification is that US military presence in the Gulf region is over and done with.
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Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:


I think friendly fire is not a message the Pentagon wants out there. I see no advantages to that message.


Our side has claimed that the IDF has achieved air superiority. If the Iranian Air Force is shooting down F-15s in Kuwaiti airspace, that clearly is not the case.

Air superiority or air supremacy? They are not the same.

Air superiority does not rule out Iranian air force attacks.
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FLBear5630 said:

historian said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

As a Christian, you must affirm that any worship outside of Christ is demonic worship. Period.

They've built 48 mosques in Texas in just the last two years. Think about what we're surrounded by




Nonsense. Jews and Muslims are not devil worshipers.

Jews are not although they do reject Jesus Christ, the only way anyone can be saved (John 14:6). Arguably, Muslims do worship Satan because they worship false gods, "Allah" & Muhammad, and all false gods lead back to Satan. For all intents and purposes, Islam is a demonic death cult.

I do not believe they worship Muhammed as a God, just as the God of Abraham's prophet. There are MANY good Moslems. There are bad people in all faiths, just like there are good people. It is the person.
there are no good people.. only wretched sinners

Mark 10:18
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Repeated in Luke 18:19

People can do good but they cant be good.

Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven
 
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