President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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The_barBEARian said:

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I think friendly fire is not a message the Pentagon wants out there. I see no advantages to that message.


Our side has claimed that the IDF has achieved air superiority. If the Iranian Air Force is shooting down F-15s in Kuwaiti airspace, that clearly is not the case.

That was a friendly fire incident, unfortunately. Iran can't even shoot down the planes operating in its own airspace.


So is Kuwait or Israel going to pay for the hundred million dollar plane they shot down?

Or do the American tax payers just eat it like a bunch of hapless cuckolds?
we paid for those planes 15 years ago
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boognish_bear said:




Netanyahu sho do be looking out for us.
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Why should anyone care about your predictions, Sam?

I don't know, but Mothra does for some reason.


I care.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

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The missiles Iran is using indicate they had been pursuing weapons they already agreed not to pursue until 2023. It is pretty well established they continued developing their missiles while the 2015 agreement was in force. It is also apparent that they are using some targeting that has improved since they last attacked Israel. That would indicate to me they have been getting some outside help. I would bet the US had good intel that something was up there.

I really have no problem attacking a rogue state like Iran with air power. A weaker Iran is a better Iran for stability in an area of strategic and economic importance. Their attacks on Middle East neighbors is certainly supporting that concept.


Iran has every right to defend itself. Did you forget Trump cancelled the 2015 agreement by 2019?

This isn't on them. This is on us. We've been playing amateur hour in foreign policy since 2016. We've shown ourselves to be erratic and unreliable. If it were me, I'd have been pursuing weapons, too.
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No, it has to be replaced. Replaced with a version with higher capabilities. Actually, defense stocks will go up and manufacturing increase on high tech products.

Why do people think these missiles are built, to sit in a tube? You use them as you need them.

Frustrating, we say peace through strength, requiring superior firepower, but the second part of that is the will to use them.

We are half way through Hell, keep going and get through. Going backor stopping is not a viable option. Tale out the capabilities. We started, finish...
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boognish_bear said:




The two assassination attempts on Donald Trump were not carried out by Iranian operatives. The first one was a garden variety leftist +/- our own intelligence service. The second one had ties to Ukraine.
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KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

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I was not expecting to hear this for at least a couple of weeks.

Another hour, another indication of what a complete cluster**** Trump has initiated.

LOL uh, no. Geeze what a doofus you are. In geopolitics, you don't take anything off the table. Never. Ever. Make think you'll nuke 'em for nothing. Don't hit 'em hard. Hit 'em furiously, often, deeply, everywhere.

The cluster**** was the last 47 years of unwillingness to deal with the problem. Even Reagan screwed the pooch.

You make the mistake of thinking the message was directed to Iranians rather than Americans.

And of course you believe Reagan screwed the pooch. He was a realist, not a fanatic. We're about to see what happens when you fanatics have your way.

Reagan totally mis-managed the response to the Marine barracks bombing. Sent a message of weakness to the Mullahs. Trump is the first POTUS to actually poke them back in any meaningful way.

But you live in an alternate reality, so none of that matters.




You are 100% correct about Reagan……it was by far his biggest blunder.

he used the New Jersey to shell targets in Lebanon. Lots of civilian casualties. This was pointed out to me by Lebanese Druze friends who had family injured in the shelling.

Granted, this was before smart bombs. But it was a token belch of anger that harmed others more than it harmed Iran.

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boognish_bear said:





Not a very persuasive statistic. $750k is a like 10% of what he raises in a single cycle these days.
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Realitybites said:

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The two assassination attempts on Donald Trump were not carried out by Iranian operatives. The first one was a garden variety leftist +/- our own intelligence service. The second one had ties to Ukraine.

True. but neither of them was the plot the Biden DOJ mentioned. Operative concept there - Biden DOJ. Trump's bitterest political opponent admitted they had credible intelligence that Iran launched a plot to assassinate Trump. and then did absolutely nothing about it. Compare that to Clinton's response to a credible threat against Bush 41.
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the Groypers have no shame.

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do a bit of research about how long it takes to get from 60% enrichment to weapons grade enrichment and get back to us.

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boognish_bear said:



Good! Finish Hizballah off once and for all, which should be a lot easier to do since Iran can no longer arm & fund them. Very much appreciate Israel taking on this hard work to destroy the animals that literally skinned one of my colleagues alive.

Here's the larger context in the region:



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KaiBear said:

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Have never understood the fascination some folks have with the B 52's.

Huge air frames. Slow and easy to track. Until we have 100% total air supremacy they are very vulnerable.

Should have been retired to the scrap yard decades ago.


not a B 52s fan, Bug Man???

PA.

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.... and, as always, TIA.

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whiterock said:

boognish_bear said:



Good! Finish Hizballah off once and for all, which should be a lot easier to do since Iran can no longer arm & fund them. Very much appreciate Israel taking on this hard work to destroy the animals that literally skinned one of my colleagues alive.

Here's the larger context in the region:





add the Lesbianese to the Roster of Unloosed!!!!

- el UF

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Ukr, VZ, Greenland, Ira, Leb, Mex, Cuba......

Next up: ???????

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Mitch Blood Green said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

boognish_bear said:




The missiles Iran is using indicate they had been pursuing weapons they already agreed not to pursue until 2023. It is pretty well established they continued developing their missiles while the 2015 agreement was in force. It is also apparent that they are using some targeting that has improved since they last attacked Israel. That would indicate to me they have been getting some outside help. I would bet the US had good intel that something was up there.

I really have no problem attacking a rogue state like Iran with air power. A weaker Iran is a better Iran for stability in an area of strategic and economic importance. Their attacks on Middle East neighbors is certainly supporting that concept.


Iran has every right to defend itself. Did you forget Trump cancelled the 2015 agreement by 2019?

This isn't on them. This is on us. We've been playing amateur hour in foreign policy since 2016. We've shown ourselves to be erratic and unreliable. If it were me, I'd have been pursuing weapons, too.

Not anymore.........


- UF


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whiterock said:

do a bit of research about how long it takes to get from 60% enrichment to weapons grade enrichment and get back to us.




If they did actually say this, it was clearly not intended as a threat, but rather as a demonstration of their restraint. You don't run your mouth about threats like that.
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:



I was not expecting to hear this for at least a couple of weeks.

Another hour, another indication of what a complete cluster**** Trump has initiated.

LOL uh, no. Geeze what a doofus you are. In geopolitics, you don't take anything off the table. Never. Ever. Make think you'll nuke 'em for nothing. Don't hit 'em hard. Hit 'em furiously, often, deeply, everywhere.

The cluster**** was the last 47 years of unwillingness to deal with the problem. Even Reagan screwed the pooch.

You make the mistake of thinking the message was directed to Iranians rather than Americans.

And of course you believe Reagan screwed the pooch. He was a realist, not a fanatic. We're about to see what happens when you fanatics have your way.

I suppose if one is an appeaser who hates his country, someone willing to stand up the the Islamists and Mullahs would seem like a fanatic.

At the same time, we all know you've always had a soft spot for the Mullahs. They've dared to defy the country you loathe, after all.

You've finally done it. A post consisting of pure, unadulterated moralizing without even the slightest trace of substance.

Twenty years of work well spent.


Now that is some incredible projection…
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trey3216 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:


I think friendly fire is not a message the Pentagon wants out there. I see no advantages to that message.


Our side has claimed that the IDF has achieved air superiority. If the Iranian Air Force is shooting down F-15s in Kuwaiti airspace, that clearly is not the case.

That was a friendly fire incident, unfortunately. Iran can't even shoot down the planes operating in its own airspace.


So is Kuwait or Israel going to pay for the hundred million dollar plane they shot down?

Or do the American tax payers just eat it like a bunch of hapless cuckolds?

we paid for those planes 15 years ago

Correct

And those can be replaced.

Thankfully, the pilots survived.
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He's with his "Allah" (Satan) now, in hell.
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

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boognish_bear said:

Ok...this did make me chuckle




Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the next leader of Iran:




LOL. You really should consider changing your screenname to Johnny One Note.


Trust me... I hope more than anyone for a day we never have to talk about Israel ever again in this country

Indeed, I am sure you would love to see the little country wiped off the map, like a lot of Atheists.


"Those dirty atheists..."

"Atheist hate is a poison..."

"the atttthhheeeiiissssttttssss!!!..."

Did I miss any of your catch phrases?


It really pains me you feel so unloved.
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Some of them are ruthlessly persecuting Christians. Not all, by no means, but that's true of Muslims and other groups. The main point stands. Christian missionaries in India are not always safe.
Mothra
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It's incredible to me we are on day 4 of what appears to be a mere bombing campaign that has been massively successful by all indications and the usual suspects are once again predicting forever wars and troops on the ground.

It's almost like they have an agenda with their chicken little predictions.
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"Iran has also continued missile attacks on Israel, with the Israeli military reporting interceptions over West Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and Eilat. At least 10 people have been killed in Israel since Saturday. Many dozens, possibly in the hundreds, have been injured and wounded. Fox live shots and correspondent on the ground Trey Yingst have been offering proof that Israel's anti-air defenses are routinely being overwhelmed and significant impacts have resulted.

Costly interceptors are also being expended at a high rate across the Gulf, and these countries are urgently appealing for more from Washington, but they will soon be in short supply at this rate. The Wall Street Journal warns as follows:

Persian Gulf nations targeted by Iran have, so far, managed to limit the damage by deploying sophisticated U.S.-made air defenses against the hundreds of drones and missiles that have rained on their cities.

With costly interceptors and radar, all integrated with the U.S. military, the oil-rich Gulf Arab states have fielded some of the most advanced air defenses in the world, despite their small populations and militaries.

A crucial variable in this war, however, is whether these monarchies start running out of interceptors before the Iranian regime runs out of projectiles. At current burn rates, it could be very soon."


This AM update.


Also the Lincoln was targeted by four Iranian cruise missiles. No damage was reported but that strike group has withdrawn from the theater into the Indian Ocean.
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Time for a major UKR push - Iran was supplying RUS w the vast majority of their drones......

- UF

D!
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whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:



I was not expecting to hear this for at least a couple of weeks.

Another hour, another indication of what a complete cluster**** Trump has initiated.

LOL uh, no. Geeze what a doofus you are. In geopolitics, you don't take anything off the table. Never. Ever. Make think you'll nuke 'em for nothing. Don't hit 'em hard. Hit 'em furiously, often, deeply, everywhere.

The cluster**** was the last 47 years of unwillingness to deal with the problem. Even Reagan screwed the pooch.

You make the mistake of thinking the message was directed to Iranians rather than Americans.

And of course you believe Reagan screwed the pooch. He was a realist, not a fanatic. We're about to see what happens when you fanatics have your way.

Reagan totally mis-managed the response to the Marine barracks bombing. Sent a message of weakness to the Mullahs. Trump is the first POTUS to actually poke them back in any meaningful way.

But you live in an alternate reality, so none of that matters.




You are 100% correct about Reagan……it was by far his biggest blunder.

he used the New Jersey to shell targets in Lebanon. Lots of civilian casualties. This was pointed out to me by Lebanese Druze friends who had family injured in the shelling.

Granted, this was before smart bombs. But it was a token belch of anger that harmed others more than it harmed Iran.



My wife is Christian Lebanese; and a far bigger Trump fan than I am.. Doesn't like or trust Israel whatsoever.

But now that we are in this war.....we agree the only option at this point is to win it. Have always hated that kind of mind set; as it results in more dead Americans.

However the stakes are too big to ignore. You and I both know there are going to be screw ups.....losses. Just hope we have the will to use every asset available and destroy Iran's entire military capacity.

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KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:



I was not expecting to hear this for at least a couple of weeks.

Another hour, another indication of what a complete cluster**** Trump has initiated.

LOL uh, no. Geeze what a doofus you are. In geopolitics, you don't take anything off the table. Never. Ever. Make think you'll nuke 'em for nothing. Don't hit 'em hard. Hit 'em furiously, often, deeply, everywhere.

The cluster**** was the last 47 years of unwillingness to deal with the problem. Even Reagan screwed the pooch.

You make the mistake of thinking the message was directed to Iranians rather than Americans.

And of course you believe Reagan screwed the pooch. He was a realist, not a fanatic. We're about to see what happens when you fanatics have your way.

Reagan totally mis-managed the response to the Marine barracks bombing. Sent a message of weakness to the Mullahs. Trump is the first POTUS to actually poke them back in any meaningful way.

But you live in an alternate reality, so none of that matters.




You are 100% correct about Reagan……it was by far his biggest blunder.

he used the New Jersey to shell targets in Lebanon. Lots of civilian casualties. This was pointed out to me by Lebanese Druze friends who had family injured in the shelling.

Granted, this was before smart bombs. But it was a token belch of anger that harmed others more than it harmed Iran.



My wife is Christian Lebanese; and a far bigger Trump fan than I am.. Doesn't like or trust Israel whatsoever.

But now that we are in this war.....we agree the only option at this point is to win it. Have always hated that kind of mind set; as it results in more dead Americans.

However the stakes are too big to ignore. You and I both know there are going to be screw ups.....losses. Just hope we have the will to use every asset available and destroy Iran's entire military capacity.



There is no win for us. Iranians have to liberate themselves.
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DOD Panics That Iran War Will Use up All U.S. Air Defense Supplies
Pentagon officials are worried about the operation lasting "more than a few days."

Attacking Iran has severely diminished America's air defense supplies, a predictable outcome that has Pentagon officials panicking mere days into the conflict.

"The mood here is intense and paranoid," one person familiar with the situation told The Washington Post Monday.

In the weeks leading up to the explosive hostilities, Trump's top military adviser--Joint Chiefs Chairman General Dan Caine--warned the White House against such an attack, arguing that it could entangle America in a prolonged conflict.

"There is concern about this lasting more than a few days," another source told the Post, adding that it often takes several air defense interceptors to stop an incoming missile. "I don't think people have fully absorbed yet, like, what that has done with stockpiles."

Representative Adam Smith, the House Armed Services Committee's ranking member, warned that the war would only serve to further strain U.S. munitions supplies.

"At this point, it's on. It's not like we can say: 'Hey, Iran, we're out of missile defense systems now so we're going to pause for a moment. Is that OK?' It will stretch our ability to defend everything that we need to defend," Smith told the Post, describing the American resources as "stretched thin."

https://newrepublic.com/post/207205/pentagon-iran-war-air-defense-supplies
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KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:

injured in the shelling.












Granted, this was before smart bombs. But it was a token belch of anger that harmed others more than it harmed Iran.



My wife is Christian Lebanese;

and a far bigger Trump fan tha.....

re are going to be screw ups.....losses. Just hope we have the will to use every asset available and destroy Iran's entire military capacity.


https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/roger-fakhr-bay-area-21950612.php
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Sam Lowry said:

DOD Panics That Iran War Will Use up All ........ "The mood here is intense and paranoid," one person familiar with the situation told The Washington Post Monday.
... will stretch our ability to defend everything that we need to defend," Smith told the Post, describing the American resources as "stretched thin."

https://newrepublic.com/post/207205/pentagon-iran-war-air-defense-supplies

WaPo + New R == TASS

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D!

https://tass.com/
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"But not everyone is convinced these were "friendly fire" incidents. Iran announced it had downed the craft, which is at least plausible given that Kuwait is positioned well within reach of long-range S-300s.

There are even logical speculations that Iran had received the latest Geran drone tech from Russia which attaches air-to-air missiles onto the Gerans and Shaheds, allowing them to shoot down pursuing craft as Russia has now verifiably demonstrated against a number of Ukrainian aerial assets. It's impossible to know for sure, but friendly fire on three aircraft in a row seems to strain credulity."
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Mitch Blood Green said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:

I both know there are going to be screw ups.....losses. Just hope we have the will to use every asset available and destroy Iran's entire military capacity.
















There is no win for us. Iranians have to liberate themselves.

won't be easy - similar to Saddam slaughtering his population for 20+ years....

BUT the Persians aren't the Iraqis.

W/ some situational help - they're likely to succeed.

But it will be a slog.

- UF

D!
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The_barBEARian said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:

Ok...this did make me chuckle




Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the next leader of Iran:




LOL. You really should consider changing your screenname to Johnny One Note.


Trust me... I hope more than anyone for a day we never have to talk about Israel ever again in this country

Indeed, I am sure you would love to see the little country wiped off the map, like a lot of Atheists.


"Those dirty atheists..."

"Atheist hate is a poison..."

"the atttthhheeeiiissssttttssss!!!..."

Did I miss any of your catch phrases?


Do you want the little country wiped off the map? Atheist or not?


I only care about one country.

America.


You sure do gripe a lot about countries you don't care about.
 
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