President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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boognish_bear said:




If its a small number of special forces operators then Trump is fine.

If he is really mutating into George W. Bush and is gonna put tens of thousands of American soldiers lives on the line in another nation building (nation occupying) quagmire in the Middle East…then his Presidency is over.

The GOP will lose Congress next election and Trump will be impeached, possibly removed from office, Democrats will start up their prosecutions & lawfare against him again…and he will be without a base to support himself this time.
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boognish_bear said:

2019



Well, if he wants to get our soldiers out of the Middle East, he seems to be on the right track. Iran has already destroyed or disabled most of our bases in the first week of the war.
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Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




If its a small number of special forces operators then Trump is fine.
Exactly

If he is really mutating into George W. Bush and is gonna put tens of thousands of American soldiers lives on the line in another nation building (nation occupying) quagmire in the Middle East…then his Presidency is over.

The GOP will lose Congress next election and Trump will be impeached, possibly removed from office, Democrats will start up their prosecutions & lawfare against him again…and he will be without a base to support himself this time.
All that stuff would likely have happened even if Trump DIDN'T attack Iran. At least he got the job done.

The calculus on Iran policy is pretty simple. If he does the job the right way, the voters will reward him. If not....


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KaiBear said:

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Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...


Pretty much anyone with half a brain.

The interesting thing about the Lincoln's move is that it could be for good or bad reasons:

(1) Good reason: The DOD thinks that they have eliminated Iran's ability to strike it.
(2) Bad reason: We're starting to run short of stand off munitions.

Some people old enough to recall pictures of B-52s in action in Vietnam and operation Linebacker probably assume that when those jets went into action in Iran it meant the elimination of Iranian air defenses.



But that isn't what was going on. They were loaded with AMG-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles.

This was tested back in June 2024.

If you see B-52s entering Iranian airspace over the next few weeks, then #1 is the probably answer. But if you see B-52s disappear from the conversation it probably means #2 is the answer. These bombers are ancient; they entered service in 1955. They aren't stealth. They aren't supersonic. If you're familiar with civilian aircraft, think the Boeing 707, which entered service 5 years *later* and persists only as the KC-135 tanker in the USAF. Even the Vietnamese managed to shoot 16 of them down during operation Linebacker. It would be a turkey shoot with modern air defense systems.

B52s have highly upgraded ECMs.


You and I both know they should have been fully replaced 40 years ago.


Maybe you should explain that to the USAF
https://www.lanl.gov/media/publications/national-security-science/0325-sixty-years-in-the-sky
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KaiBear said:

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This isn't a "short squeeze". This is the market reacting to significant amounts of production being taken offline, possibly for months.

Over/under on it opening over $100 on Monday?

over without some significant positive news this weekend

The legacy media will never allow Trump to 'win' this war.

They will find something.....anything to freak out about.




But God help the Karen's in this country if and when these Iranian sleeper cells blow up a stadium full of basketball fans.

WNBA?
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I hope Trump doesn't gut the arms industry with this. We have to deliver on weapons already purchased.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/07/allies-fear-iran-war-will-leave-them-without-u-s-weapons-they-bought-00817204
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FLBear5630 said:

I hope Trump doesn't gut the arms industry with this. We have to deliver on weapons already purchased.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/07/allies-fear-iran-war-will-leave-them-without-u-s-weapons-they-bought-00817204


**** our 'allies'.

We are in the middle of a war and the needs of our servicemen come first.
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boognish_bear said:

Realitybites said:

  • Trump sticking to surrender demand, freshly telling Axios, but tweaking the messaging a bit compared to earlier: "Unconditional surrender could be that [the Iranians] announce it. But it could also be when they can't fight any longer because they don't have anyone or anything to fight with."
  • Trump's expected timeline on Operation Epic Fury: WH Press Secretary Leavitt: "Four to six weeks." And Leavitt further tweaks Trump's message... ops to continue till "Iran can no longer pose a threat to the U.S. and our troops in the Middle East."
  • Nation-building? More from Trump "...will work tirelessly to bring Iran back from the brink of destruction, making it economically bigger, better, and stronger than ever before."
  • Wapo highlights Ft. Bragg (Ft Liberty) canceled exercises, troops on standby: The U.S. Army abruptly canceled a major training exercise for the 82nd Airborne Division's headquarters, fueling speculation that the rapid-response unit could deploy to the Middle East as the U.S. conflict with Iran expands.


Ok...I'm confused. We are doing nation building?

I thought the last few days the message had been this was about destroying nuclear capacity and missile stocks.




"Trump, it's Bibi. We want the 82nd Airborne in 2 weeks."
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

KaiBear said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Realitybites said:

The_barBEARian said:



Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...


Pretty much anyone with half a brain.

The interesting thing about the Lincoln's move is that it could be for good or bad reasons:

(1) Good reason: The DOD thinks that they have eliminated Iran's ability to strike it.
(2) Bad reason: We're starting to run short of stand off munitions.

Some people old enough to recall pictures of B-52s in action in Vietnam and operation Linebacker probably assume that when those jets went into action in Iran it meant the elimination of Iranian air defenses.



But that isn't what was going on. They were loaded with AMG-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles.

This was tested back in June 2024.

If you see B-52s entering Iranian airspace over the next few weeks, then #1 is the probably answer. But if you see B-52s disappear from the conversation it probably means #2 is the answer. These bombers are ancient; they entered service in 1955. They aren't stealth. They aren't supersonic. If you're familiar with civilian aircraft, think the Boeing 707, which entered service 5 years *later* and persists only as the KC-135 tanker in the USAF. Even the Vietnamese managed to shoot 16 of them down during operation Linebacker. It would be a turkey shoot with modern air defense systems.

B52s have highly upgraded ECMs.


You and I both know they should have been fully replaced 40 years ago.


Maybe you should explain that to the USAF
https://www.lanl.gov/media/publications/national-security-science/0325-sixty-years-in-the-sky


why replace it when it works so well? (for its role). It requires us to have air supremacy, but once AS is achieved the B52 allows you to loiter with 75k lbs of bombs.

The B21 will replace B1 and B2, and will have stealth, but it only carries 32k lbs of bombs and we really don't want to have the relatively less efficient stealth bomber loitering overhead in an AS scenario.
 
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