President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Global sources are saying Isreal is taking it in the shorts.


I think you may be being deceived here. I am not seeing any evidence of the claim that Tel Aviv is on lockdown either on BBC or other international sources, including Google traffic maps. Perhaps your social media is feeding you what it "thinks" you want to see.


https://www.reuters.com/pictures/sirens-strikes-irans-missiles-breach-israeli-defenses-2026-03-10/


https://english.news.cn/20260309/b3f27a43fb114ef5b923756867b5b2ba/c.html



I have seen reporting on missile attacks. Haven't these been ongoing from the start? I haven't seen anything indicating that Tel Aviv is on lockdown, the streets are empty, etc. This is why I wonder if your social media is giving you what you hope is happening rather than the reality on the ground.
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D. C. Bear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

D. C. Bear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Global sources are saying Isreal is taking it in the shorts.


I think you may be being deceived here. I am not seeing any evidence of the claim that Tel Aviv is on lockdown either on BBC or other international sources, including Google traffic maps. Perhaps your social media is feeding you what it "thinks" you want to see.


https://www.reuters.com/pictures/sirens-strikes-irans-missiles-breach-israeli-defenses-2026-03-10/


https://english.news.cn/20260309/b3f27a43fb114ef5b923756867b5b2ba/c.html



I have seen reporting on missile attacks. Haven't these been ongoing from the start? I haven't seen anything indicating that Tel Aviv is on lockdown, the streets are empty, etc. This is why I wonder if your social media is giving you what you hope is happening rather than the reality on the ground.

I do know that Bloomberg and BBC reporters in Tel Aviv have had to end reports to go into bunkers of missile attacks as I listened.
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FLBear5630 said:

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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]
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Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.

Amen brother......... Graham is the worst kind of hypocrite.

Such *******s always want someone else to do the bleeding.

While they hide back thousands of miles from the *****

D. C. Bear
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FLBear5630 said:

D. C. Bear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

D. C. Bear said:

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Global sources are saying Isreal is taking it in the shorts.


I think you may be being deceived here. I am not seeing any evidence of the claim that Tel Aviv is on lockdown either on BBC or other international sources, including Google traffic maps. Perhaps your social media is feeding you what it "thinks" you want to see.


https://www.reuters.com/pictures/sirens-strikes-irans-missiles-breach-israeli-defenses-2026-03-10/


https://english.news.cn/20260309/b3f27a43fb114ef5b923756867b5b2ba/c.html



I have seen reporting on missile attacks. Haven't these been ongoing from the start? I haven't seen anything indicating that Tel Aviv is on lockdown, the streets are empty, etc. This is why I wonder if your social media is giving you what you hope is happening rather than the reality on the ground.

I do know that Bloomberg and BBC reporters in Tel Aviv have had to end reports to go into bunkers of missile attacks as I listened.


Isn't this standard procedure in Israel? They have been dealing with missiles there for a long time. The original tweet posted was making the case that Tel Aviv was basically at the breaking point. I haven't seen evidence that this is the case. It just seems like wishful thinking.
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muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]

Dude, the guy served 33 years. He has little choice on where. He is a lot of things and I do not agree with many of his positions, but using his military service because it wasn't what you perceive as dangerous enough is bush league.

I know the Gulf in 91, another of his assignments was dangerous even after the war was over. JAG Officers were a big part of cleaning up the mess that was left. Missiles, IEDs and terrorists don't care. This is the terrorist attack on a bar in Berlin 1986, several US soldiers died and more were wounded.

BBC ON THIS DAY | 5 | 1986: Berlin disco bombed
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muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.
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D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

D. C. Bear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

D. C. Bear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

boognish_bear said:




Global sources are saying Isreal is taking it in the shorts.


I think you may be being deceived here. I am not seeing any evidence of the claim that Tel Aviv is on lockdown either on BBC or other international sources, including Google traffic maps. Perhaps your social media is feeding you what it "thinks" you want to see.


https://www.reuters.com/pictures/sirens-strikes-irans-missiles-breach-israeli-defenses-2026-03-10/


https://english.news.cn/20260309/b3f27a43fb114ef5b923756867b5b2ba/c.html



I have seen reporting on missile attacks. Haven't these been ongoing from the start? I haven't seen anything indicating that Tel Aviv is on lockdown, the streets are empty, etc. This is why I wonder if your social media is giving you what you hope is happening rather than the reality on the ground.

I do know that Bloomberg and BBC reporters in Tel Aviv have had to end reports to go into bunkers of missile attacks as I listened.


Isn't this standard procedure in Israel? They have been dealing with missiles there for a long time. The original tweet posted was making the case that Tel Aviv was basically at the breaking point. I haven't seen evidence that this is the case. It just seems like wishful thinking.

Gottcha. I agree with you that they are not at a breaking point. Israel will never be at the breaking point. Every attack is existential. You don't give up when the option is being pushed in the sea.
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D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.
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KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.
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D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

If you play on a football team you get into harms way. Being a JAG lawyer and going to Rammstein AFB is not dangerous. I went to elementary school and middle school on post at Patrick Henry village in Heidelberg which was the army HQ in Europe. I guess I was in as much harms way as Lindsey.
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D. C. Bear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

D. C. Bear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

boognish_bear said:




Global sources are saying Isreal is taking it in the shorts.


I think you may be being deceived here. I am not seeing any evidence of the claim that Tel Aviv is on lockdown either on BBC or other international sources, including Google traffic maps. Perhaps your social media is feeding you what it "thinks" you want to see.


https://www.reuters.com/pictures/sirens-strikes-irans-missiles-breach-israeli-defenses-2026-03-10/


https://english.news.cn/20260309/b3f27a43fb114ef5b923756867b5b2ba/c.html



I have seen reporting on missile attacks. Haven't these been ongoing from the start? I haven't seen anything indicating that Tel Aviv is on lockdown, the streets are empty, etc. This is why I wonder if your social media is giving you what you hope is happening rather than the reality on the ground.

There have been several reports from the Indian Times, Al Jazeera about Iran's success in taking out early warning systems and Iron Dome not being able to detect inbound threats due to the cluster bomb rockets being used by Iran.

Typically, like you, I may see something on social media and check for alternate sources, as social media content is unreliable.

I'm not making a judgment on whether they are winning or losing. I'm reading that they are taking significant inbound rocket fire.
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D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

The macho BS that only infantry really serve is an acronym. In todays world, there are less combat arms and more support personnel than ever. You are hearing it now, "no boots on the ground". The people that died in Iran so far are a supply clerk, mechanic, MP, computer operator, and clerk. You wear the uniform, you are a target. missiles, drones and IEDs don't care. Every IED casualty has been listed as a hostile event, most of those were support personnel. They are just as dead as the infantry soldier.

Point is that no one knows when they go in. ALL US Army combat Arms Divisions have JAG officers. All Brigades have Legal clerks forward, they also serve as couriers. It is ridiculous to try and draw the line at who "really" served and who was a "paper pusher". That is a BS statement.
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D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.



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KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.






I think Trump caught the "Oh crap, they're about to have a nuclear bomb" bug.

Realistically, the only way to keep the Islamic regime in Iran from getting nuclear weapons and, eventually, the means to deliver it to American cities is for them to no longer run a nation state. I know Trump says it's not about regime change, but regime change is the only solution to the problem and it has been the only solution for the problem for many, many years.
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D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.






I think Trump caught the "Oh crap, they're about to have a nuclear bomb" bug.

Realistically, the only way to keep the Islamic regime in Iran from getting nuclear weapons and, eventually, the means to deliver it to American cities is for them to no longer run a nation state. I know Trump says it's not about regime change, but regime change is the only solution to the problem and it has been the only solution for the problem for many, many years.

Angry we have lost so many people over the years protecting Israel. If we were not killing Muslims on their behalf......the US would not be a target for nuclear warheads from Iran.

Or at least no more of a target than we already are from Russia, Which has continually had at least 2 'boomer' subs off the east coast of the US for over 25 years. Each sub contains at least 20 hydrogen bombs. Amazing that 95% of the American people are totally unaware of it. Guess no president wants to create still another media storm.

However now that we are in this.....regime change in Iran is the only way to 'win'. And that is going to take months,,,not days.

And even then we are going to have to start carpet bombing Iranian oil facilites and ground troops.

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KaiBear said:

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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.






I think Trump caught the "Oh crap, they're about to have a nuclear bomb" bug.

Realistically, the only way to keep the Islamic regime in Iran from getting nuclear weapons and, eventually, the means to deliver it to American cities is for them to no longer run a nation state. I know Trump says it's not about regime change, but regime change is the only solution to the problem and it has been the only solution for the problem for many, many years.

Angry we have lost so many people over the years protecting Israel. If we were not killing Muslims on their behalf......the US would not be a target for nuclear warheads from Iran.

Or at least no more of a target than we already are from Russia, Which has continually had at least 2 'boomer' subs off the east coast of the US for over 25 years. Each sub contains at least 20 hydrogen bombs. Amazing that 95% of the American people are totally unaware of it. Guess no president wants to create still another media storm.

However now that we are in this.....regime change in Iran is the only way to 'win'. And that is going to take months,,,not days.

And even then we are going to have to start carpet bombing Iranian oil facilites and ground troops.




Russian nukes Islamic-run Iranian nukes.

Strange how you blame the Jews for everything when our presence in the region has everything to do with Arabs and nothing to do with Jews.
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KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definitio...egime change is the only solution to the problem and it has been the only solution for the problem for many, many years.















Angry we have lost so many people over the years protecting Israel. If we were not killing Muslims on their behalf......the US would not be a target for nuclear warheads from Iran.

Or at least no more of a target than we already are from Russia, Which has continually had at least 2 'boomer' subs off the east coast of the US for over 25 years. Each sub contains at least 20 hydrogen bombs. Amazing that 95% of the American people are totally unaware of it. Guess no president wants to create still another media storm.

However now that we are in this.....regime change in Iran is the only way to 'win'. And that is going to take months,,,not days.

And even then we are going to have to start carpet bombing Iranian oil facilites and ground troops.



short sighted - if they were ever able to eradicate ISR, we'd be next.....

- UF

... so we fight them over there.

There is no Blissful State here on Earth.

Foolish to think there ever will be.

Just look what "they' did to the original Arby's format.......

D!

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Go Bears!!

Beat The 'Neers!!!
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D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.






I think Trump caught the "Oh crap, they're about to have a nuclear bomb" bug.

Realistically, the only way to keep the Islamic regime in Iran from getting nuclear weapons and, eventually, the means to deliver it to American cities is for them to no longer run a nation state. I know Trump says it's not about regime change, but regime change is the only solution to the problem and it has been the only solution for the problem for many, many years.

Angry we have lost so many people over the years protecting Israel. If we were not killing Muslims on their behalf......the US would not be a target for nuclear warheads from Iran.

Or at least no more of a target than we already are from Russia, Which has continually had at least 2 'boomer' subs off the east coast of the US for over 25 years. Each sub contains at least 20 hydrogen bombs. Amazing that 95% of the American people are totally unaware of it. Guess no president wants to create still another media storm.

However now that we are in this.....regime change in Iran is the only way to 'win'. And that is going to take months,,,not days.

And even then we are going to have to start carpet bombing Iranian oil facilites and ground troops.




Russian nukes Islamic-run Iranian nukes.

Strange how you blame the Jews for everything when our presence in the region has everything to do with Arabs and nothing to do with Jews.

Do not 'blame' the Jews any more than I 'blame' the Arabs.


We simply should not be involved in someone elses's continual war.


What other country has gotten involved in such a mess for over 30 years ?


None
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D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.






I think Trump caught the "Oh crap, they're about to have a nuclear bomb" bug.

Realistically, the only way to keep the Islamic regime in Iran from getting nuclear weapons and, eventually, the means to deliver it to American cities is for them to no longer run a nation state. I know Trump says it's not about regime change, but regime change is the only solution to the problem and it has been the only solution for the problem for many, many years.

Not only regime change, but secular. It cannot be an Islamic Theocracy, period.

But what you are describing is not something that an air war is going to get, nor is it something that is a limited action. You will need troops on the ground, for a long time, with a Government propped up by military governors. If we do not put a democratic based government in place and cultivate it, there is no way.

Marshall didn't do what he did because he wanted to run those Nations, there was no other choice. Are the American people ready for that? I say no and what we have done so far has ensured if ANY part of the existing Government survives, it's mission will be to destroy us.
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FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He has never been in a combat zone. Ever.

He is volunteering others children to be in a combat zone when he himself never has been.
With the military position he had, he had literally no chance of being placed in one.

Respect for him being a member of JAG and in Reserves as a Lawyer. Only elite minds attain those positions.

Still him volunteering SC children, as he did, was out of place and out of line.
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Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He has never been in a combat zone. Ever.

He is volunteering others children to be in a combat zone when he himself never has been.


Should only people who have been in combat themselves, be eligible to vote on other people going into combat?
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Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He has never been in a combat zone. Ever.

He is volunteering others children to be in a combat zone when he himself never has been.

Ok.
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D. C. Bear said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He has never been in a combat zone. Ever.

He is volunteering others children to be in a combat zone when he himself never has been.


Should only people who have been in combat themselves, be eligible to vote on other people going into combat?

Of course not; all US residents should be eligible to vote on entering a war.

When did we have such a vote for this war ?

Or Vietnam...Iraq , Kuwait , Afghanistan ?
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D. C. Bear said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He has never been in a combat zone. Ever.

He is volunteering others children to be in a combat zone when he himself never has been.


Should only people who have been in combat themselves, be eligible to vote on other people going into combat?

I would say no. Let's take Venezuela for example. That is their experience. The flew in and were part of that team. Went like butter. They may be willing to say yes because their experience is that it is a non-issue. It is up to the military to do it right, if they do it is clean.

Say a JAG Officer from the Gulf War or Iraq. Technically, not a combat arms position. But, they go in and clean up the mess that was left in Kuwait, Iraq and Saudi. Technically, they are in a combat zone, but it is after the war. (Kuwait after was still dangerous. Anytime you are someplace an M1 tracks your vehicle up a serpentine path, you are in a dangerous place) They see the years of work after to clean up, pre-position equipment, fight the fires, clean up the environmental disaster and other items of misery. Long after the combat troops that fought are home, they are still there. They would definitely think twice about voting yes. Iraq, Afghanistan, View Nam, all of them are the same mess. War is more than just the horrors of killing. It is a **** hole on multiple levels that you will never forget.

So, I have no issue with non-combat arms voting on it. The blue cord guys are there for part of the hell, not all of it.
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Global sources are saying Isreal is taking it in the shorts.


I think you may be bein...happening rather than the reality on the ground.





I do know that Bloomberg and BBC reporters in Tel Aviv have had to end reports to go into bunkers of missile attacks as I listened.

God knows how many drones they had / have.....

We might have misunderestimated.

BUT - UKR has developed a very cost defective tool to take them out.

Score one for the UKRs.

- UF

So we might get some Payback on our $150B investment.

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Well...let's make sure those shipping lanes are opened back up first....

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now release The Arby's*......

- UF

* Problem Solved.

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KaiBear said:

D. C. Bear said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He has never been in a combat zone. Ever.

He is volunteering others children to be in a combat zone when he himself never has been.


Should only people who have been in combat themselves, be eligible to vote on other people going into combat?

Of course not; all US residents should be eligible to vote on entering a war.

When did we have such a vote for this war ?

Or Vietnam...Iraq , Kuwait , Afghanistan ?


None for this.
We did have "votes" for all of those others you mentioned.
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D. C. Bear said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He has never been in a combat zone. Ever.

He is volunteering others children to be in a combat zone when he himself never has been.


Should only people who have been in combat themselves, be eligible to vote on other people going into combat?

It would be the best of course. People who have seen front line action know things nobody else can know. Should they be the only ones. They should. But, I realize that is not how this works. I will note as my dad and other guys that were on the front lines of battle, they do not advocate getting involved in avoidable wars.

All that said, who gets to "vote" for going into war. We all get to vote. I feel you have worded this wrongly.

You should have said who gets to decide that we go into on the ground combat zones. I would certainly hope those making the final decisions to place America's in harms way with ground combat have had the experience of ground combat themselves,

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