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TexasScientist said:

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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I definitely think Kharg Island will be in our control very soon. That will be a negotiation piece if needed with whoever has control of Iran in the future. Will the regime scuttle it before it loses it?

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303Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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303Bear said:

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If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.

During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.

Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.

Fight to win…..period

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Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.

Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.

Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.

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Wrong

If you want regime change …..you destroy the ability of the mullah's to maintain control of the populace.

You do not let our entitled masses whine their way into half measures.

That merely kick the terrorist can down the road still again.

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Please kindly explain how destroying the civilian power grid helps ensure regime change. Further disconnecting and punishing a reeling population seems like a poor plan to get them to act in our best interests.

By repeatedly bringing up "the entitled masses" and the "whiners" as you fully commit everyone to a lower quality of life due to rationing, you expose the absurdity of many claims you likely agree with about our own energy independence. If we really were energy independent, Iranian production or Hormuz wouldn't matter. But since reality isn't want you want it to be, and we do live in an integrated global market, it does matter. Assume you will be just fine with a 4 gallon a week gas ration and I am sure you have already started your victory garden.

Finally, once this glorious regime change is accomplished, then what? Do we leave a fledgling government with no infrastructure, ripe to be taken over by the next waive of zealots? Or do we stay 20+ years and rebuild?

My kids will be paying off the last time we spent 20 years in a country to replace the regime with the same regime for the rest of their lives. I'd really rather not saddle my grandkids with the debt from this half baked boondoggle.

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Iran has been killing Americans world wide for decades. Ok. A throw away point I will gladly concede as it is largely irrelevant to the actual situation here.

They had come to believe Americans were cowards . Infidels more concerned about immediate gratification and material accumulation. Technically partially correct, non-Muslims are, by definition, infidels. The rest is your opinion based on?

Should have fought this war at least 20 years ago; but each president ….Republican and Democrat knew the American people would retaliate politically and damage their party come election time. Pray tell, with what force were we going to bomb and then invade Iran 20 years ago? 20 years ago we were still very much in both Iraq and Afghanistan. 2006 would have been before the surge in Iraq and around the time much of the insurgency in both places was picking up steam and we were frantically trying to build enough MRAPs and ship up-armor kits to units to give them a chance in their HMMWVs.

Iran saw this ….and pushed the envelope with nukes. What have they done in the last 12 months that makes "now" the moment? Did we not impact their program at all with the strikes in 2025? Do we even know?

So here we are.

I do not like this war ….primarily because of all the Israeli influence within our government. yet you are advocating for its escalation?

However now that's it's begun it is vitally important that we win it. If you can't see that I am not going to spend 3000 words attempting to show you the reasons. Will you spend 5 works explaining what "winning" looks like to you? maybe if there is time, address my prior points and questions on "post-winning" Iran looks like (which you ignored entirely)?

Be it Iraq, Japan, Germany or Italy……regime change only occurs when the civilian population is fed up with the actions of their current dictator. The civilian population played little to no role in any of those instances. You can make a (weak) argument for Italy, but the overthrow of what was left of the fascist regime until mere weeks before the war ended in Europe and organized Axis military resistance in Italy effectively collapsed. Germany and Japan did not fall to civilian unrest, but rather, in Germany's case, two of the largest armies ever assembled on either side of its capital and for Japan, the instant destruction of two of its cities to the first operational atomic bombs. Iraq fell because of an overwhelming ground force routing what was left of a demoralized standing army using obsolete and worn out equipment as a result of 30 years of war and sanctions. Ask the marines in Fallujah how helpful the citizenry were in supporting the occupation.

Privation works…..war fatigue works. So are you advocating for carpet bombing and then a ground invasion?

Of course nothing I post is going to change your mind in the slightest. Probably not, but I dont think you are trying that hard to change my mind, just spinning talking points. You still havent addressed the most basic question I asked: what good does bombing the civilian power gird do?

Just hope Trump follows through, though I doubt he is strong enough to do so. What do you want trump to follow through on? There have been as many goals listed as there have been days in this conflict so far.

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You seem to be advocating for full military invasion and occupation, though you wont yet come right out and say it. I think that is an absurd plan that will ruin this country for a long time (possibly forever).

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Breaking News: Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia pushed President Trump to continue the war against Iran, people briefed on the conversations said. https://t.co/ZPESphCnUj

— The New York Times (@nytimes) March 24, 2026

TexasScientist said:

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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KaiBear said:

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Breaking News: Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia pushed President Trump to continue the war against Iran, people briefed on the conversations said. https://t.co/ZPESphCnUj

— The New York Times (@nytimes) March 24, 2026

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By the way. Thanks again for all your posts. Get more information from you than even the BBC.

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Anyone gonna say anything about Lebanon’s right to exist? https://t.co/8Cx01z4MS8

— Krystal Ball (@krystalball) March 24, 2026

They’re not even subtle. pic.twitter.com/nGAAXxv9e5

— Assal Rad (@AssalRad) March 24, 2026

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The_barBEARian said:

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They’re not even subtle. pic.twitter.com/nGAAXxv9e5

— Assal Rad (@AssalRad) March 24, 2026

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If rockets had been raining down on Russian cities from Ukraine, there would not be much of an outcry about the Russian attack. And you know that.

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J.R. said:

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Qatar's LNG is offline for 3-5 years

The US was already building the replacement

North America's LNG export capacity could more than double by 2029.

This chart was drawn before the war.

Now it looks like a strategic masterplan ♟️

Projects coming online 2026-2029:

🇺🇸… pic.twitter.com/DydiCQGJsz

— Jack Prandelli (@jackprandelli) March 23, 2026

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price isn't acting like it. Still sucks. Still flaring most of mine. To costly to get out of ground at this price

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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They’re not even subtle. pic.twitter.com/nGAAXxv9e5

— Assal Rad (@AssalRad) March 24, 2026

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If rockets had been raining down on Russian cities from Ukraine, there would not be much of an outcry about the Russian attack. And you know that.

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BearFan33 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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I definitely think Kharg Island will be in our control very soon. That will be a negotiation piece if needed with whoever has control of Iran in the future. Will the regime scuttle it before it loses it?

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KaiBear said:

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BearFan33 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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I definitely think Kharg Island will be in our control very soon. That will be a negotiation piece if needed with whoever has control of Iran in the future. Will the regime scuttle it before it loses it?

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Concerned how much focus has been put on this island and the constant tracking of our massive Marine transfort ship.

Gives too much advance warning to the Iranians.

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ATL Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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I'm sure a coalition of Sunni states controlling a Shia one will go over really well inside Iran…You could be looking at Yemen on steroids.

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TexasScientist said:

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ATL Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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I'm sure a coalition of Sunni states controlling a Shia one will go over really well inside Iran…You could be looking at Yemen on steroids.

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Maybe but not likely. IRGC won't be funding their operation. Russian can't afford to intervene, and China isn't ready to take on IRGC role. Anything short of effective regime change, or control of the Iranian oil, Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz now will not end well for the Gulf States, Israel, EU, or the US.

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PRESIDENT TRUMP: The war in Iran has been won.

The only one that likes to keep it going is the fake news. pic.twitter.com/pAYfeglpzJ

— Department of State (@StateDept) March 24, 2026

Trump: You were the only two people that were quite disappointed —I don’t want to say this but I have to. I said Pete and General Caine, I think this thing is going to be settled soon. They said oh that’s too bad. Pete didn’t want it to be settled. pic.twitter.com/TgPkUnjWO0

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 24, 2026

TexasScientist said:

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KaiBear said:

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BearFan33 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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I definitely think Kharg Island will be in our control very soon. That will be a negotiation piece if needed with whoever has control of Iran in the future. Will the regime scuttle it before it loses it?

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Concerned how much focus has been put on this island and the constant tracking of our massive Marine transfort ship.

Gives too much advance warning to the Iranians.

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They're definitely tipped off now, but they had to consider that as an objective.

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The_barBEARian said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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They’re not even subtle. pic.twitter.com/nGAAXxv9e5

— Assal Rad (@AssalRad) March 24, 2026

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If rockets had been raining down on Russian cities from Ukraine, there would not be much of an outcry about the Russian attack. And you know that.

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Rockets were raining down on Russians living in Eastern Ukraine.

We liberated Texas from Mexico for less.

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Trump on Iran: We really had regime change. This is a change in the regime because the leaders are all different. I think we can say this is regime change. pic.twitter.com/2hPOeMERR5

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 24, 2026

A ceasefire for a period of one month will be announced according to a mechanism that Witkoff and Kushner are working on, according to AI Arabiya citing Israeli Channel 12

The US aims at a month-long ceasefire
The agreement with Iran is very similar to the understandings in Gaza… https://t.co/vdejaQu9nr

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) March 24, 2026

IRAN ON POTENTIAL US GROUND INVASION:

"For years, we have been awaiting the Americans' entry. We have just one message for the American soldiers: Come closer."

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) March 24, 2026

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ATL Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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I'm sure a coalition of Sunni states controlling a Shia one will go over really well inside Iran…You could be looking at Yemen on steroids.

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Maybe but not likely. IRGC won't be funding their operation. Russians can't afford to intervene, and China isn't ready to take on IRGC role. Anything short of effective regime change, or control of the Iranian oil, Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz now will not end well for the Gulf States, Israel, EU, or the US.

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boognish_bear said:

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PRESIDENT TRUMP: The war in Iran has been won.

The only one that likes to keep it going is the fake news. pic.twitter.com/pAYfeglpzJ

— Department of State (@StateDept) March 24, 2026

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ATL Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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PRESIDENT TRUMP: The war in Iran has been won.

The only one that likes to keep it going is the fake news. pic.twitter.com/pAYfeglpzJ

— Department of State (@StateDept) March 24, 2026

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This sounds like an off-ramp and not an escalation. And I'm ok with that.

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🇮🇱🇬🇷 A representative of the Israel Defense Minister's party has proposed Israel purchase islands in Greece “for the good of the Jewish people.”

Avri Steiner, a board member of the Jewish National Fund, proposed the purchasing Greek islands as an emergency “safe haven” for Jews,… pic.twitter.com/E3CwtnpqMM

— Europa.com (@europa) March 24, 2026

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They’re not even subtle. pic.twitter.com/nGAAXxv9e5

— Assal Rad (@AssalRad) March 24, 2026

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If rockets had been raining down on Russian cities from Ukraine, there would not be much of an outcry about the Russian attack. And you know that.

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This is true. The media gets a lot of stuff wrong with headlines, but they got this one right.

It is also true that Russia invaded Ukraine without any attacks on Russia.

If a weak Canadian government harbored a bunch of terrorists who were heavily funded by Ireland snd who were raining down rockets on Detroit and Buffalo, we would certainly do something about it, and if we decided to knock down the Irish government while we were at it, we'd have been justified to do that as well.

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NYT finally got a community note for its whitewashing language. pic.twitter.com/cZywaw4ZVa

— Assal Rad (@AssalRad) March 24, 2026

FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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PRESIDENT TRUMP: The war in Iran has been won.

The only one that likes to keep it going is the fake news. pic.twitter.com/pAYfeglpzJ

— Department of State (@StateDept) March 24, 2026

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This sounds like an off-ramp and not an escalation. And I'm ok with that.

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82nd is deploying to Middle East. Hope these crazy *******s don't lead them into a kill zone.

All the Way, guys....

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JD Vance right now https://t.co/a0zLKsls45 pic.twitter.com/CZaUUP9H5z

— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) March 24, 2026