President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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In reply to Oldbear83 • 11:16a, 3/28/26
Arguing "out of" emotions is different from an appeal to emotion and/or ridicule which you have done multiple times during our exchange (including the initial post I responded to pointing out that a differing opinion is not a "lie" despite your disagreement with it).

As for emotion, I am upset that we have begun yet another conflict in the Middle East that imo is not necessary or timely and will likely have long term repercussions which will be a net negative for the United States.

I am bemused at the posters who are entirely uncritical of any of the actions with respect to the conflict, when Trump expressly ran not getting into more foreign conflicts (and in fact ran on the threat that war with Iran would start if Biden/Harris were elected).

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In reply to Oldbear83 • 11:58a, 3/28/26
Oldbear83 said:
Quite the rant you posted. And whether or not you noticed, you very clearly use a double standard.

I hope you feel better after that rant.

Rant! This is fun watching you go through the same routine with someone else. Same words, same tactics. Very Bod-like, a nice tribute to the modern technology...
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In reply to 303Bear • 12:24p, 3/28/26
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .
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In reply to KaiBear • 12:35p, 3/28/26
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .

Agree with you here. Reagan, Bush Sr and even the 1996 Clinton would be considered moderates now. Reagan on the far right of moderate and Clinton on the left of moderate.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 12:45p, 3/28/26
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When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 12:48p, 3/28/26
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boognish_bear said:

When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.

No argument.

Disgusting behavior by Trump.

Maybe it is time to roll the dice with Vance in charge.
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In reply to KaiBear • 12:48p, 3/28/26
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .


Not fault finding, and I agree with you re:bill Clinton. Honestly curious what you think Rubio would have done/will do that would materially change the nations trajectory.

I'd take him in 2028 over most/all likely republican (and all likely democrat) candidates, but he's a pretty lock standard republican of the last 15-20 years. Not a sold to the cause neo-con, but also not that different from many other post-TEA Party republicans (as evidenced by his fine but not spectacular showing in the 2016 primary).
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In reply to 303Bear • 12:51p, 3/28/26
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .


Not fault finding, and I agree with you re:bill Clinton. Honestly curious what you think Rubio would have done/will do that would materially change the nations trajectory.

I'd take him in 2028 over most/all likely republican (and all likely democrat) candidates, but he's a pretty lock standard republican of the last 15-20 years. Not a sold to the cause neo-con, but also not that different from many other post-TEA Party republicans (as evidenced by his fine but not spectacular showing in the 2016 primary).

Rubio is far more of a moderate than Trump......and a civil one.

Was well liked by most Dem senators.

His policies would be similar to Trump's......but without the constant bragging.
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In reply to KaiBear • 1:08p, 3/28/26
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .


Not fault finding, and I agree with you re:bill Clinton. Honestly curious what you think Rubio would have done/will do that would materially change the nations trajectory.

I'd take him in 2028 over most/all likely republican (and all likely democrat) candidates, but he's a pretty lock standard republican of the last 15-20 years. Not a sold to the cause neo-con, but also not that different from many other post-TEA Party republicans (as evidenced by his fine but not spectacular showing in the 2016 primary).

Rubio is far more of a moderate than Trump......and a civil one.

Was well liked by most Dem senators.

His policies would be similar to Trump's......but without the constant bragging.


That's a fair assessment.
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In reply to 303Bear • 1:35p, 3/28/26
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .


Not fault finding, and I agree with you re:bill Clinton. Honestly curious what you think Rubio would have done/will do that would materially change the nations trajectory.

I'd take him in 2028 over most/all likely republican (and all likely democrat) candidates, but he's a pretty lock standard republican of the last 15-20 years. Not a sold to the cause neo-con, but also not that different from many other post-TEA Party republicans (as evidenced by his fine but not spectacular showing in the 2016 primary).

Rubio is far more of a moderate than Trump......and a civil one.

Was well liked by most Dem senators.

His policies would be similar to Trump's......but without the constant bragging.


That's a fair assessment.

I would vote Rubio. He has shown he can navigate the politics of DC without destroying whatever relationships he touches.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 1:45p, 3/28/26
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ruh roh -

- UF

hasta luigi, houthis......

D!

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In reply to william • 1:47p, 3/28/26
william said:
boognish_bear said:

ruh roh -

- UF

hasta luigi, houthis......

D!

{ sipping kombucha }


This is one area I do not get. Why no one can stop the Houthi's. Is it terrain? Numbers? Political Will?
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 1:54p, 3/28/26
FLBear5630 said:
william said:
boognish_bear said:

ruh roh -

- UF

hasta luigi, houthis......

D!

{ sipping kombucha }


This is one area I do not get. Why no one can stop the Houthi's. Is it terrain? Numbers? Political Will?

weapons tonnage.......

- UF

..... problem soon to be solved.

as the Global House Cleaning Tour 2026 continues....

We're gonna need t-shirts......

D!


pro ecclesia, pro javelina
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In reply to KaiBear • 2:03p, 3/28/26
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .


And the Republican party has become the Israel First, Israel Only party.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:04p, 3/28/26
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .

Agree with you here. Reagan, Bush Sr and even the 1996 Clinton would be considered moderates now. Reagan on the far right of moderate and Clinton on the left of moderate.

... and JFK??

Likely very middle - even a bit right of center. List of enemies longer that a Giraffe's ******. Esp after he got tooled over by CIA / BoP.

LBJ == Satan...

Tricky Dick - slightly right of center - awoke the Silent Majority. Watergate was basically nothing (likely CIA inspired (E H Hunt)) - John Dean (the CREEP) screwed him over...... Choose your subordinates carefully.

G Ford = outwitted by a tamale husk - actually a very intelligent dude. Would have made a MUCH better Pres than the sweater wearing pacifist

Carter = more liberal that we were led to believe and a pretty miserable human being from all accounts.....

- UF

D!




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In reply to william • 2:08p, 3/28/26
william said:
FLBear5630 said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .

Agree with you here. Reagan, Bush Sr and even the 1996 Clinton would be considered moderates now. Reagan on the far right of moderate and Clinton on the left of moderate.

... and JFK??

Likely very middle - even a bit right of center. List of enemies longer that a Giraffe's ******. Esp after he got tooled over by CIA / BoP.

LBJ == Satan...

Tricky Dick - slightly right of center - awoke the Silent Majority. Watergate was basically nothing (likely CIA inspired (E H Hunt)) - John Dean (the CREEP) screwed him over...... Choose your subordinates carefully.

G Ford = outwitted by a tamale husk - actually a very intelligent dude. Would have made a MUCH better Pres than the sweater wearing pacifist

Carter = more liberal that we were led to believe and a pretty miserable human being from all accounts.....

- UF

D!





I liked Ford, because he didn't want it. History put him in the position, he was happy in Congress.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:13p, 3/28/26
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boognish_bear said:

When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.


I have no sympathy for the Saudis and neither should you.

They are the actual largest sponsors of Islamic terrorism in the west.

The silver lining of crashing the global economy would be seeing those reprobates finally get the beat down they should have gotten after 9/11.
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In reply to KaiBear • 2:15p, 3/28/26
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .


The good ol days when Clinton was raping children with Jeffrey Epstein
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In reply to 303Bear • 2:20p, 3/28/26
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
KaiBear said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:


A "special" military operation, perhaps?


Keep hoping to wake up and Rubio is the president of the United States .

And the last 20 years were all just a bad dream.


Curious what you think Rubio would do differently than Trump that would change the trajectory of current events. While some of it is certainly being a company man, he has pretty well toed the company line on international dealings since becoming Sec. of State.

As for 20 years ago, Rubio was still in the FL house and just starting to gain some national recognition. He would never have been in a position to run in 2008. Regardless, Obama rode a waive that would not have been stopped by anyone the rebublicans could have fielded. It was a good election to give McCain his "shot" in recognition of his long service, but McCain would have been a terrible president too.


You seem to be determined to find fault with every Republican.

And that's fine .

IMO the Democratic Party has gone so radically left it is completely unrecognizable from even the days of Bill
Clinton .


Not fault finding, and I agree with you re:bill Clinton. Honestly curious what you think Rubio would have done/will do that would materially change the nations trajectory.

I'd take him in 2028 over most/all likely republican (and all likely democrat) candidates, but he's a pretty lock standard republican of the last 15-20 years. Not a sold to the cause neo-con, but also not that different from many other post-TEA Party republicans (as evidenced by his fine but not spectacular showing in the 2016 primary).


Rubio owes his entire "career politician" career to the Pro-Israel lobby.

If Rubio were President absolutely nothing would be different right now... other than he might not call the Saudi Prince who had a guy murdered and dismembered in a Turkish embassy a scumbag on national television.

Rubio is probably the one who ultimately convinced Trump to destroy his legacy with this stupid, frivolous war bcs his pay masters in Tel Aviv told him to.
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In reply to william • 2:23p, 3/28/26
william said:
FLBear5630 said:
william said:
boognish_bear said:

ruh roh -

- UF

hasta luigi, houthis......

D!

{ sipping kombucha }


This is one area I do not get. Why no one can stop the Houthi's. Is it terrain? Numbers? Political Will?

weapons tonnage.......

- UF

..... problem soon to be solved.

as the Global House Cleaning Tour 2026 continues....

We're gonna need t-shirts......

D!


They have tried multiple times and failed.

The only way to destroy the Houthi's is with boots on the ground.

Are you willing to go?
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 2:30p, 3/28/26
The_barBEARian said:
william said:
FLBear5630 said:
william said:
boognish_bear said:

ruh roh -

- UF

hasta luigi, houthis......

D!

{ sipping kombucha }


This is one area I do not get. Why no one can stop the Houthi's. Is it terrain? Numbers? Political Will?

weapons tonnage.......

- UF

..... problem soon to be solved.

as the Global House Cleaning Tour 2026 continues....

We're gonna need t-shirts......

D!


They have tried multiple times and failed.

The only way to destroy the Houthi's is with boots on the ground.

Are you willing to go?

3 MOABs will be more than enough..........



- UF

... and I would be honored to fight w/ the IDF.

pro ecclesia, pro javelina
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In reply to william • 3:00p, 3/28/26
william said:
The_barBEARian said:
william said:
FLBear5630 said:
william said:
boognish_bear said:

ruh roh -

- UF

hasta luigi, houthis......

D!

{ sipping kombucha }


This is one area I do not get. Why no one can stop the Houthi's. Is it terrain? Numbers? Political Will?

weapons tonnage.......

- UF

..... problem soon to be solved.

as the Global House Cleaning Tour 2026 continues....

We're gonna need t-shirts......

D!


They have tried multiple times and failed.

The only way to destroy the Houthi's is with boots on the ground.

Are you willing to go?

3 MOABs will be more than enough..........



- UF

... and I would be honored to fight w/ the IDF.



Already tried.

Didnt work.
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pro ecclesia, pro javelina
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Most marines have not seen serious combat for a long time.

Hope their NCO's are steady.
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FLBear5630 said:
william said:
boognish_bear said:

ruh roh -

- UF

hasta luigi, houthis......

D!

{ sipping kombucha }


This is one area I do not get. Why no one can stop the Houthi's. Is it terrain? Numbers? Political Will?
The core of the conflict is a sectarian civil war. That fact alone should tell you why they haven't or even can't be stopped.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 12:25a, 3/29/26
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I think I have seen this movie before. The runtime is too long and the ending is unsatisfactory.

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In reply to KaiBear • 2:40a, 3/29/26
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FLBear5630 said:
boognish_bear said:

When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.

No argument.

Disgusting behavior by Trump.

Maybe it is time to roll the dice with Vance in charge.


Yes, it is time. I'm not sure what is going on. It is possible that he is compromised by Epstein material that Pam Bondi is not releasing. It is possible that the nevertrumpers who have surrounded him (Levin, Shapiro, Graham, etc) are shielding him from reality. It is also possible that we have a second 80 year old president who is losing his marbles.
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3:53a, 3/29/26
IRGC claims attack on six US military-operated tactical vessels

"The IRGC claimed that six US landing craft utility (LCU) were struck in the operation, which was carried out using homegrown ballistic missiles, such as Qadr 380 cruise missiles.

"Given field reports, three of the combat vessels sank after the (retaliatory) strikes, whilst the rest are aflame," the IRGC further claimed.

According to the statement, kamikaze drones were employed to launch attacks against the gathering centres of US drone unit personnel on the coast and against one of the hotels in Dubai."

Hopefully this is incorrect. This is the first time a western news source has reported this, others were reporting it yesterday. No denial from the War Department yet (and even if there was, could it be believed?).
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303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:

I think I have seen this movie before. The runtime is too long and the ending is unsatisfactory.



From WaPo:

Pentagon prepares for weeks of ground operations in Iran
If President Donald Trump approves the plans, such an effort would mark a new phase of the war
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