President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Central Command: US Casualties Now 300

No update on the KIA number, which magically remains at 13.

300 UNNECESSARY Deaths of our people. Unacceptable. You Maggots should be outraged.


Ridiculous assumption.

The US does not have anything approaching 300 KIA's.

Dumbass does not even know the difference between "casualty" and "KIA."

Judging by his posts, he also does not understand the important difference between 'discussing the issue' and 'parroting seditious venom'.

In which case you would be the expert!

At discussing the issue and calling out the snakes, yes.

Your inferred claim is, of course, false.

We are in a war where we either win or lose. I choose to make sure we win. You do you.

I mean to type "....in which case HE would be the expert!" (referring to JR). My error.....
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boognish_bear said:



in other words, at least 2/3rds of Iranian missile and drone capability has been destroyed or degraded to the point of uselessness.

not bad.
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Realitybites said:

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Great news.

No doubt more inside work by Israel.

Fake news, not great news.

But the Kurds should be invading any day now.

Typically mis-read due to faulty premise (that Kurds have no utility except as an invasion force).

How do you think the Iranian people are going to get supplied the weaponry necessary for a successful uprising?
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Realitybites said:

KaiBear said:

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Great news.

No doubt more inside work by Israel.

Fake news, not great news.

But the Kurds should be invading any day now.

Time will tel.

But be honest....you and about 3-4 other guys would be thrilled if the US loses this war.

You simply hate Trump so much the very idea of this particular commander in chief leading our forces to triumph would drive you nuts.

(1) In no way would anyone be thrilled if we lose this war.

(2) I've been as big a Trump supporter as anyone. But this was as big a screw up as I've seen any president make in my lifetime. At this point, I'd say let the (D)s win the midterms, impeach Trump and remove him from office, and see if Vance can extricate us from this mess.

You could not be more wrong..

"The liberal internationalist left and the isolationist right two camps that have agreed on almost nothing for decades have suddenly found themselves in lockstep, racing to declare the war a failure before it had barely begun. This is the new blob: not the old foreign-policy establishment that the term originally described but a new amalgamation that has arrived at the same conclusion from opposite directions."

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KaiBear said:

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When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.

No argument.

Disgusting behavior by Trump.

Maybe it is time to roll the dice with Vance in charge.

Trump speaks the truth. People lose their minds.
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boognish_bear said:



So Trump insults MBS. As payback, MBS signs a military cooperation agreement with Ukraine. Saudi Arabia has a bottomless pile of money, oil, and gas....and oh by the way uses US military equipment.

Everybody freaked out when we told Nato to take over support for Ukraine. Nato is now buying US arms/ammo and giving it to Ukraine relieving the US taxpayer of that burden. Saudi Arabia, who uses US arms/ammo, now steps up and does the same, formally joining the alliance against the Russia/China-led axis of authoritarianism.

Here we see another example of the mind-numbed isolationists, who think we can balance the budget by not spending money on foreign policy, once again joining the internationalist left who thinks we should defend the world at our expense. What a chaotic alliance!
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whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

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When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.

No argument.

Disgusting behavior by Trump.

Maybe it is time to roll the dice with Vance in charge.

Trump speaks the truth. People lose their minds.


No excuse for a POTUS to repeatedly use such juvenile language. No excuse in constantly bragging about himself as if our servicemen are merely his possessions that exist only to inflate his ego.

Trump is acting irrationally.He is obviously enjoying playing the world's most powerful bully.

Let's not get confused………

Now that we have been manipulated by Israel to fight this full scale war. It's critically important that we win it.

After it's won……Trump needs to step down.

Before he involves the US in still another war or even uses nukes.
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KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.

No argument.

Disgusting behavior by Trump.

Maybe it is time to roll the dice with Vance in charge.

Trump speaks the truth. People lose their minds.


No excuse for a POTUS to repeatedly use such juvenile language. No excuse in constantly bragging about himself as if our servicemen are merely his possessions that exist only to inflate his ego.

Trump is acting irrationally.He is obviously enjoying playing the world's most powerful bully.

Let's not get confused………

Now that we have been manipulated by Israel to fight this full scale war. It's critically important that we win it.
You are indeed confused, but not because of Trump. Israel did not "fool us" into thinking Iran was a mortal enemy. The mullah regime in Iran is indeed a mortal enemy of the USA which has killed thousands of us and is on the cusp of gaining nuclear weapons.

After it's won……Trump needs to step down.

Before he involves the US in still another war or even uses nukes.
He got us involved in a war that should have happened a long, long time ago. I very much appreciate that he's not going to leave the problem to the next guy.

I called attention to this dynamic in a prior post on this thread: the latent tension between Iranian state structures (which have an instinct to protect the Iranian state) and Iranian religious structures (which are ideologically dedicated to world-wide jihad). Here we see that issue bubbling up to the surface again.

The application of US force exacerbates that tension: it puts the people who would rather wake up in paradise tomorrow increasingly at odds with the people who would like to wake up in THIS world tomorrow.

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You are ignoring Trump's bizarre behavior.

Talks like an entitled pre teen....that found a new toy.

Only in this case the new toy is the blood of our servicemen.

Hell yes our entire government was manipulated by Israeli lobbyists.......as they have been for decades.

But its too late now to turn back the clock.....got to destroy Iran and win this bloodfest with as few KIA's as possible.

The danger is obvious.......Trump is enjoying the specture of this war......the world's focus on HIM.

Hell, now he is even threatening CUBA.




Win this Iranian war asap......fight for keeps......destroy their economy .......then Trump has got to go.
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KaiBear said:

You are ignoring Trump's bizarre behavior.

Talks like an entitled pre teen....that found a new toy.

Only in this case the new toy is the blood of our servicemen.

Hell yes our entire government was manipulated by Israeli lobbyists.......as they have been for decades.

But its too late now to turn back the clock.....got to destroy Iran and win this bloodfest with as few KIA's as possible.

But Trump is enjoying the specture of this war......the world's focus on HIM.

Hell, now he is even threatening CUBA.




Win this Iranian war asap......fight for keeps......destroy their economy .......then Trump has got to go.

Damn...what happened to you? Must of been one "Randy" night. you are correct, btw
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We now have gasoline rationing and cost explosion here in Thailand. Govt can't get the oil which I'm sure will breed some corruption. Point is Oil shock from Piggy felt globally as we are dealing with a global commodity used in just about everything. Just what I'm hearing here.
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mehtinks ol' brother kai took a sip of the majic au jus:



- el UF

D!

{ sipping coffee }

Go Bears!!
pro ecclesia, pro javelina
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Tell us without telling us you don't know Shia from Sunni.

Iran's refusal to negotiate a ceasefire has nothing to do with martyrdom or global jihad. It's a predictable (and predicted) calculation by the country with the upper hand in the war.
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Sam Lowry said:



Iran's refusal to negotiate a ceasefire has nothing to do with martyrdom or global jihad. It's a predictable (and predicted) calculation by the country with the upper hand in the war.


How many countries (especially those ruled by ideological regimes) have gone down to the end insisting they were winning?

I think we have several examples in history



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Not Just 'Damaged' but Obliterated: Images of US AWACS Jet At Saudi Airbase

Images have emerged revealing that the Wall Street Journal's initial report that the half-billion-dollar aircraft was merely "damaged" was an enormous understatement. Rather, a large portion of the fuselage has been obliterated, along with the distinctive 30-foot-diameter, 6-foot-thick rotating radar dome that's mounted atop AWACS aircraft. We took a closer look at the photo set here.

The images of the destroyed E-3 Sentry were first posted on the Air Force amn/nco/snco Facebook page:

"The loss of this E-3 is incredibly problematic, given how crucial these battle managers are to everything from airspace deconfliction, aircraft deconfliction, targeting, and providing other lethal effects that the entire force needs for the battle space," Heather Penney, a former F-16 pilot and director of studies and research at AFA's Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, told Air & Space Forces Magazine. If this has been carefully kept under wraps until now, what else is the White House and Pentagon not telling the public?



According to military aviation aficionados, the identifier "OK 81-0005" -- visible on the severed tail -- confirms this particular aircraft was an E-3G named "Captain Planet," which deployed to the Middle East theater from Oklahoma's Tinker Air Force Base. It's not clear if any of the recently-wounded service members were associated with the aircraft, which was destroyed in a missile-and-drone attack on PSAB.

The destroyed E-3 was one of six stationed at the Saudi base and only 16 active craft in the entire Pentagon inventory -- and all of them can't even be counted on, on any given day:
Quote:

The E-3 is aging, and its capabilities are falling behind those of some major adversaries. The Air Force's E-3 fleet has dwindled down to 16 as the service retires less-capable planes. In fiscal 2024, E-3s had a mission-capable rate of about 56 percent, meaning a little more than half were able to fly and carry out their missions at any given time. -- Air & Space Forces

Despite its B-list status, earlier Iranian successes have elevated the E-3 Sentry's importance. Iran reportedly damaged a $1.1 billion AN/FPS-132 radar at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar -- one of just six in the world -- and blew up a nearly $500 million AN/TPY-2 THAAD radar at Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan. There's reason to believe other radars suffered similar fates, thwarting US detection and response to incoming fire. The radars take years to replace. In the ultimate example of financially-asymmetric warfare, Iran may have used drones that cost between $10,000 to $30,000 each to inflict some or all of that damage.
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These prediction markets feel gross. So much potential for scamming.

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Sam Lowry said:

Tell us without telling us you don't know Shia from Sunni.

Iran's refusal to negotiate a ceasefire has nothing to do with martyrdom or global jihad. It's a predictable (and predicted) calculation by the country with the upper hand in the war.

Lol I didn't say anything about Sunni/Shia, and Iran is most definitely not winning the war. Good Lord.

The regime is starting to come apart. Exactly as I suggested it might.


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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

Tell us without telling us you don't know Shia from Sunni.

Iran's refusal to negotiate a ceasefire has nothing to do with martyrdom or global jihad. It's a predictable (and predicted) calculation by the country with the upper hand in the war.

Lol I didn't say anything about Sunni/Shia, and Iran is most definitely not winning the war. Good Lord.

The regime is starting to come apart. Exactly as I suggested it might.




Suggested it might??? You bet the mortgage... If the ends in anything other than a total regime collapse and Iranian's rejoicing in the streets you lost the house..
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KaiBear said:

You are ignoring Trump's bizarre behavior.
Nope. It works for him. Very successfully.

Talks like an entitled pre teen....that found a new toy.
He's talking a language our adversaries understand.

Only in this case the new toy is the blood of our servicemen.
Not at all. the casualties have been remarkably low, particularly for such a robust campaign.

Hell yes our entire government was manipulated by Israeli lobbyists.......as they have been for decades.
Now you sound like JR, Porteroso and the lot. Just plumb stupid-speak, inserting a preposterous false premise - that we have no real quibble with Iran and have just been duped for decades into confronting a country that overran our embassy and kept hostages for over a year, killed thousands of our citizens, took a COS hostage and skinned him alive & sent a video of it to POTUS, took a USMC Col hostage and hung him, pulled a US Navy Seabee out of his seat on a civilian airliner and shot him in the back of the head and dumped him out on the tarmac just to send a message, destabilized Lebanon, created the second most deadly terror group ever (Hamas), created Hamas which committed the second largest single day terror attack death tolls on 7th October, created the Houthis ability to interdict international shipping in the Red Sea, developed ballistic missiles capable of striking all of Europe (our Nato allies), was working steadily toward intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of striking a country literally on the other side of the planet (us), and built a nuclear weapons program which generated enough 60% uranium to build a dozen nuclear warheads. Oh. And which stood in the street and beat itself bloody while chanting "death to America" several times a year.

But its too late now to turn back the clock.....got to destroy Iran and win this bloodfest with as few KIA's as possible.
Yes. Finally doing it. +4 decades after it was warranted. Fortunately, the bloodfest aspect is almost completely restricted to the enemy.

The danger is obvious.......Trump is enjoying the specture of this war......the world's focus on HIM.
He's not worried. He's signaling to Iran that he's confident, in control, etc...that their options are limited - surrender or die.

Hell, now he is even threatening CUBA.
No, he's not. He's just saying what is going to happen. The communist government in Cuba is going to fall. Matter of time.

Win this Iranian war asap......fight for keeps......destroy their economy .......then Trump has got to go.
LOL he not only overthrows THREE despotic regimes whose primary foreign policy focus was damaging/destroying the USA....he does it in not much more than 90 days. It's an incredible feat. It's isolated China and Russia.....robbing them of rogue-state allies and a second tier of proxies, all of them aimed at destabilizing us and/or our allies. And all you can do is ***** about how he talks.

Take a chill pill. You're gonna miss the greatest improvement in our geopolitical position since the fall of the Soviet Union.
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Realitybites said:

Not Just 'Damaged' but Obliterated: Images of US AWACS Jet At Saudi Airbase

Images have emerged revealing that the Wall Street Journal's initial report that the half-billion-dollar aircraft was merely "damaged" was an enormous understatement. Rather, a large portion of the fuselage has been obliterated, along with the distinctive 30-foot-diameter, 6-foot-thick rotating radar dome that's mounted atop AWACS aircraft. We took a closer look at the photo set here.

The images of the destroyed E-3 Sentry were first posted on the Air Force amn/nco/snco Facebook page:

"The loss of this E-3 is incredibly problematic, given how crucial these battle managers are to everything from airspace deconfliction, aircraft deconfliction, targeting, and providing other lethal effects that the entire force needs for the battle space," Heather Penney, a former F-16 pilot and director of studies and research at AFA's Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, told Air & Space Forces Magazine. If this has been carefully kept under wraps until now, what else is the White House and Pentagon not telling the public?



According to military aviation aficionados, the identifier "OK 81-0005" -- visible on the severed tail -- confirms this particular aircraft was an E-3G named "Captain Planet," which deployed to the Middle East theater from Oklahoma's Tinker Air Force Base. It's not clear if any of the recently-wounded service members were associated with the aircraft, which was destroyed in a missile-and-drone attack on PSAB.

The destroyed E-3 was one of six stationed at the Saudi base and only 16 active craft in the entire Pentagon inventory -- and all of them can't even be counted on, on any given day:
Quote:

The E-3 is aging, and its capabilities are falling behind those of some major adversaries. The Air Force's E-3 fleet has dwindled down to 16 as the service retires less-capable planes. In fiscal 2024, E-3s had a mission-capable rate of about 56 percent, meaning a little more than half were able to fly and carry out their missions at any given time. -- Air & Space Forces

Despite its B-list status, earlier Iranian successes have elevated the E-3 Sentry's importance. Iran reportedly damaged a $1.1 billion AN/FPS-132 radar at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar -- one of just six in the world -- and blew up a nearly $500 million AN/TPY-2 THAAD radar at Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan. There's reason to believe other radars suffered similar fates, thwarting US detection and response to incoming fire. The radars take years to replace. In the ultimate example of financially-asymmetric warfare, Iran may have used drones that cost between $10,000 to $30,000 each to inflict some or all of that damage.

we have 15 remaining. Nato has 18. The Saudis have 5. And on and on.... And that's before we get to the Navy's E-2 program which is also in-theater at the moment. There is a plan for 6 new platforms, the E-7 (already in service with several allies) but that may be put on hold. Survivability has always been an issue, and even moreso as 5th generation aircraft fill the skies. I suspect space platforms and the E-2 will probably handle the load going forward.

So, yes, this is a loss. An expensive one. But one we can easily afford on a platform at the end of its service life. Well worth the damage we have inflicted on the enemy, by orders of magnitude.
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

Tell us without telling us you don't know Shia from Sunni.

Iran's refusal to negotiate a ceasefire has nothing to do with martyrdom or global jihad. It's a predictable (and predicted) calculation by the country with the upper hand in the war.

Lol I didn't say anything about Sunni/Shia, and Iran is most definitely not winning the war. Good Lord.

The regime is starting to come apart. Exactly as I suggested it might.




Suggested it might??? You bet the mortgage... If the ends in anything other than a total regime collapse and Iranian's rejoicing in the streets you lost the house..

Your reading comprehension is as bad as your analytical skills. I specifically said in the initial post on the matter that I was not predicting it, but rather instantiating it as a scenario to watch for. We now see actions which fit the opening phases of such a scenario. What we see now may be all we see. Or events could devolve further. Just gotta watch.

The Iranian regime is in what almost certainly a planned survival strategy - go to ground...survive....act on pre-existing orders - with no real need for constant commo with the Hqs element. Define victory as survival and just try to outlast. It's analogous to insurgent cellular structures, where there is zero lateral communication....where units are clueless as to even the existence of other elements and are acting solely on discretion within a defined order of battle. That's a perfectly reasonable survival strategy. But it's a terrible way to fight a war. There is no maneuver. No mass. No concentration. No ability to mount an effective counterattack in any meaningful way. Just hunker down and take it while leaving your enemy free to operate t discretion.

One reason for Trump doing all the public yammering? To stoke exactly such divisions cited above. To incite remaining religious structures to attack remaining secular structures in order to prevent latter from cutting a peace deal. Problem is, the cellular structure the regime has adopted as a survival strategy leaves itself vulnerable to exactly what we are doing - destabilizing the regime by stoking fears of one portion of the regime seeking a separate peace at the expense of the other.

One thing for sure among all scenarios? One where Iran wins. They are in a world of hurt. Their best case outcome is a reset to 1980. You are digging yourself an awfully deep hole here........
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It's sad to see so many here cheering for Iran.

Although Sam has been hoping for a jihad ever since it was obvious Trump would win in 2024.
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The attack was actually worse than a single AWACS. A second one may have been "damaged".

Three more KC-135s were destroyed.

Two EC130s were damaged.

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/iran-strike-destroyed-us-e-3g-awacs-prince-sultan-air-base-saudi-arabia/

If my math is correct the losses in one month:


F-15Es (4)
F-35 (1)
KC-135s (5)
E6 (1 or 2)
EC130s (2)
MQ-9 (roughly 30)
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Realitybites said:

The attack was actually worse than a single AWACS. A second one may have been "damaged".

Three more KC-135s were destroyed.

Two EC130s were damaged.

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/iran-strike-destroyed-us-e-3g-awacs-prince-sultan-air-base-saudi-arabia/



Given the range and loitering time of these planes, why they were ever stationed within known strike distance of Iran escapes me.
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I think that no one expected the Iranian military to be as effective as it has been. Destroying half our bases in the region and our ground based radars made the E-6 platform suddenly valuable in a way planners weren't expecting. Now they are winging it to try and make up for the losses.

And given the distance our carriers have to remain from Iran to prevent being attacked you have to have midair refueling in theater for strike aircraft to be able to complete their missions and make the round trip.

Otherwise it turns into the Doolittle raid.

But no worries, I have it on good authority that we have won the war 2 or 3 times. By next week we should have won it 5 or 6 times.
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boognish_bear said:


Lefties like Sam are going to cream their pants over Iranian lead environmental laws for Hormuz
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

Tell us without telling us you don't know Shia from Sunni.

Iran's refusal to negotiate a ceasefire has nothing to do with martyrdom or global jihad. It's a predictable (and predicted) calculation by the country with the upper hand in the war.

Lol I didn't say anything about Sunni/Shia, and Iran is most definitely not winning the war. Good Lord.

The regime is starting to come apart. Exactly as I suggested it might.




Suggested it might??? You bet the mortgage... If the ends in anything other than a total regime collapse and Iranian's rejoicing in the streets you lost the house..

Your reading comprehension is as bad as your analytical skills. I specifically said in the initial post on the matter that I was not predicting it, but rather instantiating it as a scenario to watch for. We now see actions which fit the opening phases of such a scenario. What we see now may be all we see. Or events could devolve further. Just gotta watch.

The Iranian regime is in what almost certainly a planned survival strategy - go to ground...survive....act on pre-existing orders - with no real need for constant commo with the Hqs element. Define victory as survival and just try to outlast. It's analogous to insurgent cellular structures, where there is zero lateral communication....where units are clueless as to even the existence of other elements and are acting solely on discretion within a defined order of battle. That's a perfectly reasonable survival strategy. But it's a terrible way to fight a war. There is no maneuver. No mass. No concentration. No ability to mount an effective counterattack in any meaningful way. Just hunker down and take it while leaving your enemy free to operate t discretion.

One reason for Trump doing all the public yammering? To stoke exactly such divisions cited above. To incite remaining religious structures to attack remaining secular structures in order to prevent latter from cutting a peace deal. Problem is, the cellular structure the regime has adopted as a survival strategy leaves itself vulnerable to exactly what we are doing - destabilizing the regime by stoking fears of one portion of the regime seeking a separate peace at the expense of the other.

One thing for sure among all scenarios? One where Iran wins. They are in a world of hurt. Their best case outcome is a reset to 1980. You are digging yourself an awfully deep hole here........

You are so busy being a cheerleader, you are missing the collateral damage around the world. This doesn't stabilize the world, it creates a huge vacuum. At the same time, this administration has severely hurt the US credibility with allies and damage to infrastructure that will take decades to repair. There is a good possibility that the cure for Iran is worse than the disease.

We cannot close the Straits without significant escalation.
Iran is passing tolling legislation, which will never stand but they are still functioning as a Government. They are no where near toppling.
The nuclear material is now lord knows where and there are rumors of Bio sites not being stable after bombing
We are getting ready to send in ground troops by ourselves.

Remember, US airpower only? Iranians were going to topple the Government? Allies??

If this were Biden, you would be saying he is compromised. What do the Israelis have on him. What does Bibi have on Trump? This is not the way you take on an Iran.

And by the way, Iran doesn't have to win. They just need to not lose. We HAVE to win.
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Interesting how the resident pant wetters attack anyone for reminding them of the context.

We are at war.

Act like you want the US to win
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whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

You are ignoring Trump's bizarre behavior.
Nope. It works for him. Very successfully.

Talks like an entitled pre teen....that found a new toy.
He's talking a language our adversaries understand.

Only in this case the new toy is the blood of our servicemen.
Not at all. the casualties have been remarkably low, particularly for such a robust campaign.

Hell yes our entire government was manipulated by Israeli lobbyists.......as they have been for decades.
Now you sound like JR, Porteroso and the lot. Just plumb stupid-speak, inserting a preposterous false premise - that we have no real quibble with Iran and have just been duped for decades into confronting a country that overran our embassy and kept hostages for over a year, killed thousands of our citizens, took a COS hostage and skinned him alive & sent a video of it to POTUS, took a USMC Col hostage and hung him, pulled a US Navy Seabee out of his seat on a civilian airliner and shot him in the back of the head and dumped him out on the tarmac just to send a message, destabilized Lebanon, created the second most deadly terror group ever (Hamas), created Hamas which committed the second largest single day terror attack death tolls on 7th October, created the Houthis ability to interdict international shipping in the Red Sea, developed ballistic missiles capable of striking all of Europe (our Nato allies), was working steadily toward intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of striking a country literally on the other side of the planet (us), and built a nuclear weapons program which generated enough 60% uranium to build a dozen nuclear warheads. Oh. And which stood in the street and beat itself bloody while chanting "death to America" several times a year.

But its too late now to turn back the clock.....got to destroy Iran and win this bloodfest with as few KIA's as possible.
Yes. Finally doing it. +4 decades after it was warranted. Fortunately, the bloodfest aspect is almost completely restricted to the enemy.

The danger is obvious.......Trump is enjoying the specture of this war......the world's focus on HIM.
He's not worried. He's signaling to Iran that he's confident, in control, etc...that their options are limited - surrender or die.

Hell, now he is even threatening CUBA.
No, he's not. He's just saying what is going to happen. The communist government in Cuba is going to fall. Matter of time.

Win this Iranian war asap......fight for keeps......destroy their economy .......then Trump has got to go.
LOL he not only overthrows THREE despotic regimes whose primary foreign policy focus was damaging/destroying the USA....he does it in not much more than 90 days. It's an incredible feat. It's isolated China and Russia.....robbing them of rogue-state allies and a second tier of proxies, all of them aimed at destabilizing us and/or our allies. And all you can do is ***** about how he talks.

Take a chill pill. You're gonna miss the greatest improvement in our geopolitical position since the fall of the Soviet Union.


You need to drink some espresso and clear your mind.

I have no doubt the US will win this fight IF Trump has enough stubbornness to ignore the US electorate. And I am
not sure he does.

Israel has been buying our politicians for decades…..if you can't admit to that this conversation is over.



My concern is Trump's obvious enjoyment playing 'world tough guy'.

And with his loss of the house and senate in a matter of months the only area left to exercise his ego will be in foreign adventures .

Cuba ? Then what ?

The dude is offending neutrals almost daily with his stupid comments. WE might think the US is morally superior but the rest of the world isn't so sure.

Hope we win this war decisively so Trump can retire as the 'war hero' and allow younger blood to take over the White House.
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Oldbear83 said:

Interesting how the resident pant wetters attack anyone for reminding them of the context.

We are at war.

Act like you want the US to win

Using that logic, we could always be at war and never allowed to question.

But, I don't think questioning is a big part of your makeup.

You have no indication that this is not correct? This whole term seems like this is how it should be, we should invade Iran with a month's build up? With no allies but Israel?? No explanation. President coming out and saying the war is over as missiles are falling, while talking of taking Cuba when he wants to?

None of this seems out of place? We should just keep waving the flag as we are sending Marines and the 82nd into a meat grinder?

The biggest cheerleader is CIA??? That right there should make you stop and give pause...

Huh...
The_barBEARian
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When your "greatest ally" is actually your worst enemy...

Oldbear83
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Mister, you are so pro-mullah on this thread, Hakeem Jeffries is taking notes from you. I know Arab friends who are more supportive of the US actions than you.

We get it, you hate Trump so much you are somehow convinced no one else is making plans or issuing orders. You are this board's Teheran Timmy, but give it a rest, Achmed.
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Oldbear83 said:

Mister, you are so pro-mullah on this thread, Hakeem Jeffries is taking notes from you. I know Arab friends who are more supportive of the US actions than you.

We get it, you hate Trump so much you are somehow convinced no one else is making plans or issuing orders. You are this board's Teheran Timmy, but give it a rest, Achmed.


I give up. You have no concept over whether or not we should do it with American troops

Of course your Arab friends want us to send our troops so they dont have to send theirs. We are the proxy. We are Ukraine in this model, using US military capital and personnel to do Bibi's war.

It has nothing to do with supporting the Mullahs, it has everything to do with doing it with our troops. No wars, remember?
 
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