President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sincerely, thank you Sam.

You just proved that you don't even read my posts before popping off your auto-trash.



Of course I did not read it. See my post above.

You just throw out empty spite. It's pathetic how lazy you have become.

Again, not everyone is obsessed with Trump. Not everyone who sees him making disastrous mistakes hates America. Deal with that reality or not.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sincerely, thank you Sam.

You just proved that you don't even read my posts before popping off your auto-trash.



Of course I did not read it. See my post above.

You just throw out empty spite. It's pathetic how lazy you have become.

Again, not everyone is obsessed with Trump. Not everyone who sees him making disastrous mistakes hates America. Deal with that reality or not.

< chuckle >

If only you had really read my posts, you'd know I was not talking about Trump.

You keep tripping over your lies. And yet you don't even realize it.

The 'disastrous mistakes' are yours, as far as this thread is concerned, Sam.

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Redbrickbear said:





As clueless then as he is now...quite a feat.
Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sincerely, thank you Sam.

You just proved that you don't even read my posts before popping off your auto-trash.



Of course I did not read it. See my post above.

You just throw out empty spite. It's pathetic how lazy you have become.

Again, not everyone is obsessed with Trump. Not everyone who sees him making disastrous mistakes hates America. Deal with that reality or not.

< chuckle >

If only you had really read my posts, you'd know I was not talking about Trump.

You keep tripping over your lies. And yet you don't even realize it.

The 'disastrous mistakes' are yours, as far as this thread is concerned, Sam.



I don't think your audience is the real problem with your posts.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sincerely, thank you Sam.

You just proved that you don't even read my posts before popping off your auto-trash.



Of course I did not read it. See my post above.

You just throw out empty spite. It's pathetic how lazy you have become.

Again, not everyone is obsessed with Trump. Not everyone who sees him making disastrous mistakes hates America. Deal with that reality or not.

< chuckle >

If only you had really read my posts, you'd know I was not talking about Trump.

You keep tripping over your lies. And yet you don't even realize it.

The 'disastrous mistakes' are yours, as far as this thread is concerned, Sam.



I don't think your audience is the real problem with your posts.

LOL, there's not a thing wrong with my posts, Sam.

You just want to hide from the disasters which are your posts.

And your posts have many problems, as we have noticed here but most are too polite to point out to you.
KaiBear
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.
Oldbear83
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

'Lazy' is the right word to describe Sam. He's just throwing out posts that don't even really answer anyone, he's just trolling now, hoping for attention but won't even work for it.
KaiBear
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Oldbear83 said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

'Lazy' is the right word to describe Sam. He's just throwing out posts that don't even really answer anyone, he's just trolling now, hoping for attention but won't even work for it.


Sam has been reduced to merely trolling for a few years.

Something has happened.

Impossible to know what or why .
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sincerely, thank you Sam.

You just proved that you don't even read my posts before popping off your auto-trash.



Of course I did not read it. See my post above.

You just throw out empty spite. It's pathetic how lazy you have become.

Again, not everyone is obsessed with Trump. Not everyone who sees him making disastrous mistakes hates America. Deal with that reality or not.

< chuckle >

If only you had really read my posts, you'd know I was not talking about Trump.

You keep tripping over your lies. And yet you don't even realize it.

The 'disastrous mistakes' are yours, as far as this thread is concerned, Sam.



I don't think your audience is the real problem with your posts.

LOL, there's not a thing wrong with my posts, Sam.

You just want to hide from the disasters which are your posts.

And your posts have many problems, as we have noticed here but most are too polite to point out to you.

I've often pondered the moral pitfall I risk here, to be surrounded by such an excess of indulgence and courtesy. You have no idea what it's like.
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.
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How much of this sounds familiar…

Key Aspects of Charles Lindbergh's 1940 Position:
Opposition to War Involvement: Lindbergh argued that entering the war would be a catastrophic disaster and that the U.S. could not win the war for England, regardless of assistance.

Anti-Roosevelt Stance: He directly opposed President Roosevelt's interventionist policies, suggesting that FDR was leading the country toward war and that the war was being used to create a "wartime emergency" for political purposes.

Focus on American Defense: He promoted a policy of "American independence" rather than intervention, arguing for strengthening American defenses and avoiding foreign entanglements.

Controversial Rhetoric: His speeches often employed rhetoric that critics saw as supporting an "America First" policy that resembled Nazi propaganda talking points, which led to significant controversy in 1940 and 1941.

The "War Agitators" Argument: While his most infamous, specifically antisemitic speech blaming Jewish people for pushing the U.S. into war was delivered in September 1941, his speeches in 1940 had already begun to suggest that a "minority" was trying to influence the U.S. into war.
Oldbear83
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Sam playing SE365's version of Gollum.

D. C. Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

The fact remains that the Arab nations and Israel are far more vulnerable to attacks on desalination. Iran's army is also larger, more capable, and more technologically advanced than Saddam's ever was...and that's not even accounting for the million-man Basij militia. It would not be Iraq all over again.


That is in fact not completely accurate

1. In 1990 Iraq had the 4th-5th largest standing army in the world. And it did have expertise in combat (just finished a major war) and had a professional officer corps from its long conflict against iran

It did have advanced weapons and military capabilities for the time. It has deep military capabilities from trade with both the West and the Soviet Union.

2. Iran in 2026 does NOT have the 4th or 5th largest army in the world and has not fought a ground war against a major regional rival in decades

Its military experience is in mostly terrorism type operations and supporting local allies like Syria in civil war type operations

3. No one said the Gulf War in the 1990s would be exactly the same as an Iran war in 2026.

The point was that if the American military could cut off and annihilate a large and powerful enemy army then….it could do so again

4. We should not even bring up the Basij

They are untrained thugs with baseball bats on motorcycles that drive around beating up protestors. Street fighters for the clerics and the regime

Not a legitimate fighting force of any kind. And why do you claim only 1 million? They themselves say they have 20 million ready to fight!

Laughable but it's what they actually claim

[Today, the force consists of young Iranians, a significant portion drawn from the traditionally Shia cleric religious and politically loyalist parts of Iran's society, who volunteer, often in exchange for official benefits. With branches in "virtually every" city and town in Iran, the Basij serve as an auxiliary force engaged in enforcing state control over society, acting as a morality police at checkpoints and parks, and suppressing dissident gathering, as well as serving as law enforcement auxiliary, providing social services, and organizing public religious ceremonies. The force was often present and reacting to the widespread 2009 Iranian election protests, 201718 Iranian protests, and the 20222023 Mahsa Amini protests.]


There may have been a few intense battles in the Iraq war, but overall they didn't put up much of a fight. They lacked communication and coordination, a failure from which the Iranians have diligently learned. Iraqi troops were poorly motivated and poorly equipped. And perhaps most important, the US quickly achieved air supremacy in Iraq, which we have not done in Iran despite what you may be hearing.

None of these facts guarantees a US victory now, of course. Leaders have been known to ignore their generals, and conditions change from conflict to conflict. But actions in the conflict with Iran have up to now been largely successful, if you cut out the emotional noise. The US has effective air dominance, if not complete supremacy because of drone activity. The Iranians have demonstrated no ability to conduct a coordinated campaign against US forces; the best they have managed is isolated attacks on a few select targets with limited success, or wild missile attacks against general targets, hoping to disrupt American voter and ally support by harming civilians or threatening surrounding nations. That is the behavior of a losing power with no other functional options.



The case is very much the opposite. Iran has systematically depleted our defenses with cheap drones and missiles while saving their more advanced weaponry. They've taken out key military, diplomatic, and intelligence infrastructure, including our naval base in Bahrain. They've targeted our personnel based on precise intelligence, including, for example, strikes on specific rooms in hotels and other buildings. They've carefully tailored their responses to our attacks, maintained escalation dominance, and kept us reacting.

I was mainly talking about 2003, when the US defeated Iraq's army in three weeks. 1991 is a better example, if anything, with our forces liberating Kuwait in only 100 hours. Iraq simply isn't in the same league and isn't a good predictor of how things would go in Iran.



Where do you get your information? In can't find any sources that I can conclude with any confidence are actually reliable.


The same sources that called Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc. I appreciate your question, but I'm not interested in turning this into a debate about sources. Have been there and done that.


Not a debate.
What are your reliable sources?
I can't find any.
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Ah...The View. What would conservative discourse be without it?

My purpose was not to spoil whatever emotional high you're still riding from our short-lived victory against a mediocre opponent several decades ago. Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

Beginning to wonder if Sam graduated from Baylor. Certainly he has no comprehension of History, especially Military History.

Wets his pants hoping this time his bizarre guesses won't blow up in his face.

When this conflict is over, what I know for sure is I will support the US, Trump will still be President, Iran will be a smaller threat than before 2025, and Sam will be in bitter deep denial yet again.

Because you can't support the team without blindly supporting every stupid thing your dear leader does. Sounds like the analysis I'd expect on the football board.


Sam, whatever you or I may think of Trump or the Iranian war, we're in it now and I will support it
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.


Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.
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Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Ah...The View. What would conservative discourse be without it?

My purpose was not to spoil whatever emotional high you're still riding from our short-lived victory against a mediocre opponent several decades ago. Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

Beginning to wonder if Sam graduated from Baylor. Certainly he has no comprehension of History, especially Military History.

Wets his pants hoping this time his bizarre guesses won't blow up in his face.

When this conflict is over, what I know for sure is I will support the US, Trump will still be President, Iran will be a smaller threat than before 2025, and Sam will be in bitter deep denial yet again.

Because you can't support the team without blindly supporting every stupid thing your dear leader does. Sounds like the analysis I'd expect on the football board.


Sam, whatever you or I may think of Trump or the Iranian war, we're in it now and I will support it

I respect your commitment, but I've been opposing it for 20+ years. Haven't seen anything in the last month to change my mind. If anything it only seems more foolish by the day.
KaiBear
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.


Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

Yeah poor fella... actually do know what I am talking about. Rubio repeats the goals every day. You are just not in a good place.



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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.


Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

Yeah poor fella... actually do know what I am talking about. Rubio repeats the goals every day. You are just not in a good place.





Rubio? Good grief...that explains a lot.
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.


Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

Yeah poor fella... actually do know what I am talking about. Rubio repeats the goals every day. You are just not in a good place.





Rubio? Good grief...that explains a lot.


Beginning to suspect you currently retain little of any explanation.

Even from the Secretary of State.



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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.


Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

Yeah poor fella... actually do know what I am talking about. Rubio repeats the goals every day. You are just not in a good place.





Rubio? Good grief...that explains a lot.


It is becoming apparent that you currently retain little of any explanation.

Even from the Secretary of State.





I saw about a one-minute clip of Rubio yesterday, and literally every sentence from his mouth was a demonstrable lie. Even Trump lets his guard down and tells the truth occasionally, but this guy...remarkable.
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.


Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

I don't know why anyone responds to that guy. Hilarious to think Trump is even capable of consistent messaging.

They told us at the beginning, there was no real goal, the Israelis invited us along for war. So they are free to make it up as they go.

I will say this, I had never considered going to war, Iran predictably closing the Strait of Hormuz, then leaving while they still have it closed and want to start taxing it.

And then declaring victory. Nuclear material still being enriched, no less. Points for losing in style i guess. I hate losing wars.
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Porteroso said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.


Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

I don't know why anyone responds to that guy. Hilarious to think Trump is even capable of consistent messaging.

They told us at the beginning, there was no real goal, the Israelis invited us along for war. So they are free to make it up as they go.

I will say this, I had never considered going to war, Iran predictably closing the Strait of Hormuz, then leaving while they still have it closed and want to start taxing it.

And then declaring victory. Nuclear material still being enriched, no less. Points for losing in style i guess. I hate losing wars.

and now Piggy is going to cut and run while leaving the straight of H to others. That effing fool is pissed cuz he unilaterally started a war with NO buy in from anyone. Now, he is pissed cuz they won't bail his ass out. What an idiot. What country in their right mind would help him clear the strait. Nothing better than consistency Donnie. Cutting and running will get you $150 Oil, easy.
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J.R. said:

Porteroso said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

In reality.....up to this point our Iranian bombing campaign has been far more effective than what was accomplished in a comparable time frame with Iraq.

Of course Israeli intelligence has a lot to do with this success.

The symmetrical war in Iraq was already finished in a comparable time frame. What have we accomplished this time?


That is absurd.

Took months just to get the armor shipped over.

Nice try at moving the goalposts, but this war has already started. What exactly have we accomplished in a month of bombing that's been so effective?


Not moving anything.

If you can't read the dispatches coming from the JCS …..then you are even more lazy than most .

You really need to get a physical.

Something just isn't right with you.

I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.


Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

I don't know why anyone responds to that guy. Hilarious to think Trump is even capable of consistent messaging.

They told us at the beginning, there was no real goal, the Israelis invited us along for war. So they are free to make it up as they go.

I will say this, I had never considered going to war, Iran predictably closing the Strait of Hormuz, then leaving while they still have it closed and want to start taxing it.

And then declaring victory. Nuclear material still being enriched, no less. Points for losing in style i guess. I hate losing wars.

and now Piggy is going to cut and run while leaving the straight of H to others. That effing fool is pissed cuz he unilaterally started a war with NO buy in from anyone. Now, he is pissed cuz they won't bail his ass out. What an idiot. What country in their right mind would help him clear the strait. Nothing better than consistency Donnie. Cutting and running will get you $150 Oil, easy.


So how is this a win? Iran gets to stay in power, gets the Straits, can charge tolls and we leave. Shrewd, Don and Pete...
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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Keep slopping that bilge, Samistan.

You already destroyed your credibility here years ago.

Haters gonna hate when you're batting a thousand. I'm used to it.

Son, you swing three times at pitches that aren't even there. Your batting avg. since 2022 is .000 and you know it.

For a while your lies were funny, if odd. Now you're just a pathetic America-hater. Cheering for enemies of Americans is not most people's idea of the person they want to be.

Anyone who questions sending troops into the meat grinder is pro-mullah and hates America in your world. We get it.

Typical hypocrisy from Sam, who hates our troops and President so much that he channels slander and anti-American rumors like he's just quoting The View or one of Hunter's drug trips.

It's absurd that Sam has to dilute the success of AirLand doctrine, rather than admit our history has an example where whiners predicted massive US casualties which never happened (to the dismay of those haters, just as Sam and his urine-drenched cohort feel now) and which US victory radically changed the relative influence of world powers. Sam pretends the March Politburo meeting in Moskva never happened, the one where military leaders confirmed to Gorbachev that it was now impossible for the USSR to win any potential military conflict with the US.

Sad in a way, if predictable.

Ah...The View. What would conservative discourse be without it?

My purpose was not to spoil whatever emotional high you're still riding from our short-lived victory against a mediocre opponent several decades ago. Just wanted to clue you in that Iran is not Iraq and there is a reason we've hesitated to invade them for so long.

Sam, they never learn. It is not the military win that is the issue. It is the after. Can anyone say that Iraq or Afghanistan were wins, even if we won militarily? And if they were, are we willing to spend 20 years in Iran to get there?

So, we have destroyed their conventional Navy and Air Force. We think we have destroyed about 40% of their missiles and destroyed their civilian nuclear facilities (remember we obliterated their military nuclear last June).

Same group is in power, there is no one to turn it over to. They control the Straits with their asymmetrical navy/drones and are charging tolls. There are 40 scuba tank sized containers of uranium hidden somewhere in a Nation the size of Europe. They are still funding Hezbollah and Hamas to the point Israel is just building a buffer out of Lebanon. Now what. We are leaving?

So, question. What next? No BS on how we saved the world from nuclear annihilation. Now what, what is the plan for the middle east?

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There is no "naval blockade" of the Strait of Hormuz. Zelensky is an idiot.
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now Piggy is going to cut and run while leaving the straight of H to others. That effing fool is pissed cuz he unilaterally started a war with NO buy in from anyone. Now, he is pissed cuz they won't bail his ass out. What an idiot. What country in their right mind would help him clear the strait. Nothing better than consistency Donnie. Cutting and running will get you $150 Oil, easy.



""When we leave the strait will automatically open," President Trump has told the New York Post Tuesday, when asked whether he's considering ending action in Iran without reopening the Strait of Hormuz.

"Well, I think it'll automatically open, but my attitude is, I've obliterated the country. They have no strength left, and let the countries that are using the strait, let them go and open it… because I would imagine whoever's controlling the oil will be very happy to open the strait," Trump continued. "But we won't have to be there much longer - but we have more work to do in terms of killing their offensive, whatever offensive capability they have left."

AntiWar.com's Dave DeCamp points out a certain circular reasoning and sad reality of where the situation stands: "The goal of the war has become fixing a problem that didn't exist before the war."

Poof. Just like that. It's going to open by itself, like magic.

"France has reportedly refused to allow the United States to use its airspace to transport weapons for the Iran conflict -marking the first such denial since the war began, according to Reuters. This follows a similar move by Spain, signaling growing reluctance and angst among key European allies to facilitate US military logistics. At the same time, Italy has denied certain US aircraft access to an airbase in Sicily,"

As far as win, it's not a win. As I said earlier, there is no strategic win here. The only win was not to play.
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FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Mister, you are so pro-mullah on this thread, Hakeem Jeffries is taking notes from you. I know Arab friends who are more supportive of the US actions than you.

We get it, you hate Trump so much you are somehow convinced no one else is making plans or issuing orders. You are this board's Teheran Timmy, but give it a rest, Achmed.


I give up. You have no concept over whether or not we should do it with American troops

Of course your Arab friends want us to send our troops so they dont have to send theirs. We are the proxy. We are Ukraine in this model, using US military capital and personnel to do Bibi's war.

It has nothing to do with supporting the Mullahs, it has everything to do with doing it with our troops. No wars, remember?

There will be no war. Just a bombing campaign followed by a raid to secure the enriched uranium. Then we send the fleets home.

Was Venezuela really a war?
Didn't our action in Venezuela positively transform our geopolitical position in the Americas and abroad?
Any troops on the ground there today?
Any troops on the ground YET in Iran?
I mean for that matter, why do we not ALREADY have troops on the ground in Iran (if that was the intent)? We have bombed them to the point their ability to respond with conventional military forces is effectively zero We have total air supremacy, which means they cannot mass large forces nor move large forces & logistics to counter our operations. Would look like the "road of death" in Iraq 1.0 only in Farsi.

Quit it with the false dilemma. This operation is not Afghanistan 2.0
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J.R. said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

You are ignoring Trump's bizarre behavior.
Nope. It works for him. Very successfully.

Talks like an entitled pre teen....that found a new toy.
He's talking a language our adversaries understand.

Only in this case the new toy is the blood of our servicemen.
Not at all. the casualties have been remarkably low, particularly for such a robust campaign.

Hell yes our entire government was manipulated by Israeli lobbyists.......as they have been for decades.
Now you sound like JR, Porteroso and the lot. Just plumb stupid-speak, inserting a preposterous false premise - that we have no real quibble with Iran and have just been duped for decades into confronting a country that overran our embassy and kept hostages for over a year, killed thousands of our citizens, took a COS hostage and skinned him alive & sent a video of it to POTUS, took a USMC Col hostage and hung him, pulled a US Navy Seabee out of his seat on a civilian airliner and shot him in the back of the head and dumped him out on the tarmac just to send a message, destabilized Lebanon, created the second most deadly terror group ever (Hamas), created Hamas which committed the second largest single day terror attack death tolls on 7th October, created the Houthis ability to interdict international shipping in the Red Sea, developed ballistic missiles capable of striking all of Europe (our Nato allies), was working steadily toward intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of striking a country literally on the other side of the planet (us), and built a nuclear weapons program which generated enough 60% uranium to build a dozen nuclear warheads. Oh. And which stood in the street and beat itself bloody while chanting "death to America" several times a year.

But its too late now to turn back the clock.....got to destroy Iran and win this bloodfest with as few KIA's as possible.
Yes. Finally doing it. +4 decades after it was warranted. Fortunately, the bloodfest aspect is almost completely restricted to the enemy.

The danger is obvious.......Trump is enjoying the specture of this war......the world's focus on HIM.
He's not worried. He's signaling to Iran that he's confident, in control, etc...that their options are limited - surrender or die.

Hell, now he is even threatening CUBA.
No, he's not. He's just saying what is going to happen. The communist government in Cuba is going to fall. Matter of time.

Win this Iranian war asap......fight for keeps......destroy their economy .......then Trump has got to go.
LOL he not only overthrows THREE despotic regimes whose primary foreign policy focus was damaging/destroying the USA....he does it in not much more than 90 days. It's an incredible feat. It's isolated China and Russia.....robbing them of rogue-state allies and a second tier of proxies, all of them aimed at destabilizing us and/or our allies. And all you can do is ***** about how he talks.

Take a chill pill. You're gonna miss the greatest improvement in our geopolitical position since the fall of the Soviet Union.

yeah, you are just brilliant or at least you think you are. You good with this war? You good with the economy, You good with an unprovoked war, you good with a draft dodger sending our troops to die? Glad you are down with Merca today.

we know for sure you are good with the Mullahs aiming nuclear weapons at us.
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J.R. said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.

No argument.

Disgusting behavior by Trump.

Maybe it is time to roll the dice with Vance in charge.

Trump speaks the truth. People lose their minds.

you are a funny little monkey. "Trump Speaks the Truth". That statement right there has rendered you and absolute gullible sheep moronic Trumpian. You showed your true trumping colors. Trump doe NOT know how to speak the truth. He is a pathological liar and you imbeciles believe it.

LOL he's a helluva lot more truthful than you are.
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whiterock said:

J.R. said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



When are we going to have had enough of this ***** This isn't strength, it is bully bravado. Not appropriate for POTUS.

No argument.

Disgusting behavior by Trump.

Maybe it is time to roll the dice with Vance in charge.

Trump speaks the truth. People lose their minds.

you are a funny little monkey. "Trump Speaks the Truth". That statement right there has rendered you and absolute gullible sheep moronic Trumpian. You showed your true trumping colors. Trump doe NOT know how to speak the truth. He is a pathological liar and you imbeciles believe it.

LOL he's a helluva lot more truthful than you are.

your handle is an embarrassment to the Great Lake in Dallas. hell, Maggots like you are truly "lowest common denominator ". Trump is such a clown it isn't worth my angst cuz a lot of you are ok. I'll just make money off his ass. Enjoy you gasoline price, simpleton. Your vehicle is prolly a riding lawnmower so it wont use much gas.
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whiterock said:


Was Venezuela really a war?



Venezuela and Iran are in no way comparable.
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