President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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I'm the English Guy
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cms186 said:



Imagine if we funded our people and paid the debt with what we spend on military...
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You want to live in a world controlled by Nazis, communist and Islamic terrorist. Without the US Military . WW 1, WW2 , Cold War etc etc would have been won by the bad guys. It's good vs evil in the Middle East.
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Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.
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chriscbear said:

You want to live in a world controlled by Nazis, communist and Islamic terrorist. Without the US Military . WW 1, WW2 , Cold War etc etc would have been won by the bad guys. It's good vs evil in the Middle East.

So, 1.5T budget and cut Health Insurance for millions. You don't think there is a middle ground between 1.5T and the Nazi's?
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Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

Free Afghanistan, Free Iraq, Free Libya, Free Ukraine, Free Syria (and empower Al Qaeda), Free Venezuela, Free Cuba, Free Iran...it was always BS.
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Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

No, they understand that we are the good guys. We have to bomb them more, it is for their own good.
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Sam Lowry said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

Free Afghanistan, Free Iraq, Free Libya, Free Ukraine, Free Syria (and empower Al Qaeda), Free Venezuela, Free Cuba, Free Iran...it was always BS.

Venezuela saw pretty limited action and successful.

Hilarious that MAGAs thought it was all about drugs just because Trump said so (when is the last time anyone even really mentioned drugs on this forum.... strange). But they get suckered so constantly i bet they walk around with the little paper sticks outta their asses.

But to argue semantics, it was very successful in unlocking oil.
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FLBear5630 said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

No, they understand that we are the good guys. We have to bomb them more, it is for their own good.

The desalination plants next! We will get what we want if we have to genocide the whole country!
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Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

you mean all the Christ loving Christians up in here who do more to harm the religion with their hypocrisy for murder, rape, school bombings. wiping out innocent people. Those folks? yeah, they are truly frightening due how they purport themselves. Somehow , they can't understand the there are horrible people in every religion. Christianity ain't high on the list. But we all sinners, right. So, let's blow it the eff out!
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boognish_bear said:



anyone who believes that are nothing but Trump Sheep. Yes, we are the largest producer. All that mean is just that. It in NO WAY means we can supply our needs in terms of quality of the product and its end use. Earl ain't just Earl. Much more complicated. We import 5M barrels per day from Canad's oil sands as we use that for gasoline. Most import little bitty details fat ass left out. It's a global commodity. If it is $100 in Asia, It's $100 in the US, period.
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Does this mean Iran is winning?

Hard to tell….


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Redbrickbear said:

Does this mean Iran is winning?

Hard to tell….




We are killing a lot of Iranians, and taking out a lot of missile sites.... but if they end the war still in possession of ballistic missiles that can reach the UK, all their enriched uranium, a regime that still has Death to America in its handbook, control of the Strait of Hormuz, and more volunteers to kill Americans than ever before, who won?
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I wonder why??? But, Pete and Donald have the guts to do it... Yeah, don't see their kids going.

But, we will have those on here saying we are at war, actually really a special military excursion so no Congress, so support Donald.

Lets start hearing how those Generals are not real Americans... Neocons, right?

Where is Barron in all this? Military disqualified...
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boognish_bear said:




Ranger Battalion combat patch, real Neocon wimp right?
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:





Where is Barron in all this? Military disqualified...


I've heard that bone spurs run in their family, unfortunately.
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:




Ranger Battalion combat patch, real Neocon wimp right?

Haven't you heard? Everyone who doesn't fall 100% in line with Trump and Princeton Pete are automatically classified as panicans. Prior service is irrelevant.

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Iran Attacks Kuwaiti Desalination Plant, Bringing Gulf Water Supplies Into Focus



Shouldn't have bombed that bridge.

Whatever you think of Iran, they have the ability to take out the desalination plants of the GCCs in about a day.
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Realitybites said:

Iran Attacks Kuwaiti Desalination Plant, Bringing Gulf Water Supplies Into Focus



Shouldn't have bombed that bridge.

Whatever you think of Iran, they have the ability to take out the desalination plants of the GCCs in about a day.

This has not been thought through properly. We are the proxy for a Nation that views less Arabs as a good thing fighting a group of people that view less Jews as a good thing. This will get bad, there is very little if any empathy for either side.
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FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Iran Attacks Kuwaiti Desalination Plant, Bringing Gulf Water Supplies Into Focus



Shouldn't have bombed that bridge.

Whatever you think of Iran, they have the ability to take out the desalination plants of the GCCs in about a day.

This has not been thought through properly. We are the proxy for a Nation that views less Arabs as a good thing fighting a group of people that view less Jews as a good thing. This will get bad, there is very little if any empathy for either side.


Let's not forget that Persians also view less Arabs as a good thing and Arabs similarly have always hated the Persian civilizational giant

Good case can be made that Islam was just made up to give the arabs a monotheism of their own to match Persian Zoroastrianism (and Jewish/Eastern Roman worship of Jehovah)
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Iran shoots down U.S. F-15 fighter jet

Another F-15 down. Unclear if the pilot survived, but at this point it does not seem so. No denial by CENTCOM.

"the tail seen here would indicate an aircraft assigned to the 494th Fighter Squadron at RAF Lakenheath in England, based on its red band. This is one of the units that has been deployed to the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations for Epic Fury.

Previous documented F-15E crashes in the Middle East or Afghanistan don't involve aircraft from the 494th Fighter Squadron, as far as we can ascertain. Specifically, since Desert Storm (when the 48th Fighter Wing operated F-111s, not F-15Es), these (non-combat) losses occurred in Iraq (April 2003, 335th FS, 4th FW), Afghanistan (July 2009, 336th FS, 4th FW), and Libya (March 2011, 492nd FS, 48th FW)."

As far as I can tell, this is the 4th or 5th F-15 that has been shot down, in addition to the F-35.
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Realitybites said:

Iran shoots down U.S. F-15 fighter jet

Another F-15 down. Unclear if the pilot survived, but at this point it does not seem so. No denial by CENTCOM.

"the tail seen here would indicate an aircraft assigned to the 494th Fighter Squadron at RAF Lakenheath in England, based on its red band. This is one of the units that has been deployed to the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations for Epic Fury.

Previous documented F-15E crashes in the Middle East or Afghanistan don't involve aircraft from the 494th Fighter Squadron, as far as we can ascertain. Specifically, since Desert Storm (when the 48th Fighter Wing operated F-111s, not F-15Es), these (non-combat) losses occurred in Iraq (April 2003, 335th FS, 4th FW), Afghanistan (July 2009, 336th FS, 4th FW), and Libya (March 2011, 492nd FS, 48th FW)."

As far as I can tell, this is the 4th or 5th F-15 that has been shot down, in addition to the F-35.

"If confirmed, the loss would be the first known combat loss of a crewed U.S. Air Force aircraft over Iranian territory since the war began."

So the 4th or 5th F15 losses you are talking about are from the last 15 years or just in this iran conflict?

All loses stink but need to be clear if it's combat losses vs non-combat losses. Is the plane shot down or did it have engine trouble and go down?

If we lost 4-5 fighter jets in Iran I'd argue we don't have air superiority.
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Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Iran Attacks Kuwaiti Desalination Plant, Bringing Gulf Water Supplies Into Focus



Shouldn't have bombed that bridge.

Whatever you think of Iran, they have the ability to take out the desalination plants of the GCCs in about a day.

This has not been thought through properly. We are the proxy for a Nation that views less Arabs as a good thing fighting a group of people that view less Jews as a good thing. This will get bad, there is very little if any empathy for either side.


Let's not forget that Persians also view less Arabs as a good thing and Arabs similarly have always hated the Persian civilizational giant

Good case can be made that Islam was just made up to give the arabs a monotheism of their own to match Persian Zoroastrianism (and Jewish/Eastern Roman worship of Jehovah)

That is true, I keep forgetting that they also dislike those you mentioned. What a quagmire.

This is going to require a coalition to figure a way through all these groups OR invade and occupy. Religious people are the worst to deal with, they are not motivated by anything that can be negotiated!
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BearFan33 said:

Realitybites said:

Iran shoots down U.S. F-15 fighter jet

Another F-15 down. Unclear if the pilot survived, but at this point it does not seem so. No denial by CENTCOM.

"the tail seen here would indicate an aircraft assigned to the 494th Fighter Squadron at RAF Lakenheath in England, based on its red band. This is one of the units that has been deployed to the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations for Epic Fury.

Previous documented F-15E crashes in the Middle East or Afghanistan don't involve aircraft from the 494th Fighter Squadron, as far as we can ascertain. Specifically, since Desert Storm (when the 48th Fighter Wing operated F-111s, not F-15Es), these (non-combat) losses occurred in Iraq (April 2003, 335th FS, 4th FW), Afghanistan (July 2009, 336th FS, 4th FW), and Libya (March 2011, 492nd FS, 48th FW)."

As far as I can tell, this is the 4th or 5th F-15 that has been shot down, in addition to the F-35.

"If confirmed, the loss would be the first known combat loss of a crewed U.S. Air Force aircraft over Iranian territory since the war began."

So the 4th or 5th F15 losses you are talking about are from the last 15 years or just in this iran conflict?

All loses stink but need to be clear if it's combat losses vs non-combat losses. Is the plane shot down or did it have engine trouble and go down?

If we lost 4-5 fighter jets in Iran I'd argue we don't have air superiority.

People forget air superiority is not just plane to plane...
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BearFan33 said:


So the 4th or 5th F15 losses you are talking about are from the last 15 years or just in this iran conflict?


Just this conflict. Combat losses. The fact that the pilot has not been found would argue against something like an engine failure.

The first three were initially blamed on friendly fire from Kuwaiti air defenses, and then the story changed to blame friendly fire from a single Kuwaiti fighter pilot. Guess the "Ghost of Kiev" moved and is moonlighting as a Kuwaiti Ace.

Then there was this one today. I think there was one more in there somewhere.

Then there are the losses to the non-combat side: the AWACS, the KC135s, and I think a couple of E-2s most of which were destroyed on the ground by Iranian missiles.

Unfortunately, what is coming out of our side regarding losses/casualties has about as much credibility as what Baghdad Bob was saying during the Iraq war. But no worries, the damage to the Ford from that laundry fire should be fixed in a year.
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Realitybites said:

BearFan33 said:


So the 4th or 5th F15 losses you are talking about are from the last 15 years or just in this iran conflict?


Just this conflict. Combat losses. The fact that the pilot has not been found would argue against something like an engine failure.

The first three were initially blamed on friendly fire from Kuwaiti air defenses, and then the story changed to blame friendly fire from a single Kuwaiti fighter pilot. Guess the "Ghost of Kiev" moved and is moonlighting as a Kuwaiti Ace.

Then there was this one today. I think there was one more in there somewhere.

Then there are the losses to the non-combat side: the AWACS, the KC135s, and I think a couple of E-2s most of which were destroyed on the ground by Iranian missiles.

Unfortunately, what is coming out of our side regarding losses/casualties has about as much credibility as what Baghdad Bob was saying during the Iraq war. But no worries, the damage to the Ford from that laundry fire should be fixed in a year.

Thanks for clarification. I suspect as this drags on better technology from russia and china will be smuggled in and continue to put our planes at risk.
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Interference from Russia , China and / or North Korea is inevitable the longer this war goes on.

Which is why it is necessary to put the ultimate pressure on Iran now.

Bomb their power plants, oil facilities, water plants , and shipping ports.

Destroy Iran's ability to maintain modern creature comforts for its population.

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FLBear5630 said:

BearFan33 said:

Realitybites said:

Iran shoots down U.S. F-15 fighter jet

Another F-15 down. Unclear if the pilot survived, but at this point it does not seem so. No denial by CENTCOM.

"the tail seen here would indicate an aircraft assigned to the 494th Fighter Squadron at RAF Lakenheath in England, based on its red band. This is one of the units that has been deployed to the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations for Epic Fury.

Previous documented F-15E crashes in the Middle East or Afghanistan don't involve aircraft from the 494th Fighter Squadron, as far as we can ascertain. Specifically, since Desert Storm (when the 48th Fighter Wing operated F-111s, not F-15Es), these (non-combat) losses occurred in Iraq (April 2003, 335th FS, 4th FW), Afghanistan (July 2009, 336th FS, 4th FW), and Libya (March 2011, 492nd FS, 48th FW)."

As far as I can tell, this is the 4th or 5th F-15 that has been shot down, in addition to the F-35.

NO. WE HAD 3 SHOT DOWN IN A FRIENDLY FIRE ACCIDENT OVER KUWAIT. IF THSE REPORTS ARE TRUE, IT WOULD BE THE FIRST SUCCESSFUL DOWNING OF A US AIRCRAFT OVER IRAN.

"If confirmed, the loss would be the first known combat loss of a crewed U.S. Air Force aircraft over Iranian territory since the war began."

So the 4th or 5th F15 losses you are talking about are from the last 15 years or just in this iran conflict?

All loses stink but need to be clear if it's combat losses vs non-combat losses. Is the plane shot down or did it have engine trouble and go down?

If we lost 4-5 fighter jets in Iran I'd argue we don't have air superiority.

People forget air superiority is not just plane to plane...

"Air Superiority" means you have a more favorable position in the air than your opponent. We are quite a bit beyond that. Iran has no position in the sky whatsoever. It literally cannot get any more lopsided. We fly as many missions as we wish, and Iran flies zero. Think late WWII when we ran non-stop bombing missions over Germany. Germany still had fighters. Still shot down our fighters and bombers. Still was able to conduct aerial missions of its own against our ground forces. But the balance of power in the air was significantly in our favor (and the ratio increased as the war progressed).

"Air Supremacy" means your opponent has no ability to EFFECTIVELY resist your aerial operations, or to mount effective air operations of its own. It does not mean you will not lose any aircraft to AAA or MANPADS. An insurgent with a Stinger or a single AAA battery getting off a lucky shot once or twice per month does not change the operational reality of Air Supremacy. To do so, the AAA/MANPAD threat would have to be significant enough to deter us in some significant way from launching air missions.

So what does the report card look like in Epic Fury? In the 35 days of the operation, we have lost 3 aircraft to friendly fire (not over Iran), at least one to accident (not over Iran), and exactly (maybe) 1 aircraft in combat over Iran.......despite flying 12,000 flight missions over Iran. That, friends, is textbook Air Supremacy.
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