President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.
whiterock
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Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

yes, blasphemy. (notice I never capitalize islam except when it is the first word in a sentence.)

"Issa" is Arabic for "Jesus." "Musa" is Arabic for "Moses." Jusuf is Arabic for Joseph. Etc..... No offense intended in that. They are very important personages in the Koran. Only Jesus is downgraded (to prophet). The rest are as central to islam as they are to Christianity.

Islam considers Jesus a great prophet, the 2nd greatest after Muhammad.
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).
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boognish_bear said:



Western European powers show increasing signs that they may begin to adhere somewhat to the Western rules-based order.

This is a bit of a surprise and a real slap in the face to the US, especially at the present moment.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.

Mullah Sam confirms he is cool with Blasphemy.

Far from it. But do you consider it a declaration of war? Have you ever turned on a TV or listened to a pop artist? Our society is full of blasphemy.

I am concerned with your commending that specific blasphemy, Sam.
Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.

Mullah Sam confirms he is cool with Blasphemy.

Far from it. But do you consider it a declaration of war? Have you ever turned on a TV or listened to a pop artist? Our society is full of blasphemy.

I am concerned with your commending that specific blasphemy, Sam.
Not to worry, it is as illusory as most of your grievances.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.

Mullah Sam confirms he is cool with Blasphemy.

Far from it. But do you consider it a declaration of war? Have you ever turned on a TV or listened to a pop artist? Our society is full of blasphemy.

I am concerned with your commending that specific blasphemy, Sam.

Not to worry, it is as illusory as most of your grievances.

I have very few actual grievances, and all of them are real.

You should prolly talk to a Christian about your blasphemy problem.

boognish_bear
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Comments for Tom are also rough

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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.

Mullah Sam confirms he is cool with Blasphemy.

Far from it. But do you consider it a declaration of war? Have you ever turned on a TV or listened to a pop artist? Our society is full of blasphemy.

I am concerned with your commending that specific blasphemy, Sam.

Not to worry, it is as illusory as most of your grievances.

I have very few actual grievances, and all of them are real.

You should prolly talk to a Christian about your blasphemy problem.



Thanks...do you know any?
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LIB,MR BEARS
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whiterock said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

that is blatantly false, and you know it

He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).



Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.

Mullah Sam confirms he is cool with Blasphemy.

Far from it. But do you consider it a declaration of war? Have you ever turned on a TV or listened to a pop artist? Our society is full of blasphemy.

I am concerned with your commending that specific blasphemy, Sam.

Not to worry, it is as illusory as most of your grievances.

I have very few actual grievances, and all of them are real.

You should prolly talk to a Christian about your blasphemy problem.



Thanks...do you know any?

Quite a few here in Houston. Some are even Roman Catholic!
J.R.
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.

Mullah Sam confirms he is cool with Blasphemy.

Far from it. But do you consider it a declaration of war? Have you ever turned on a TV or listened to a pop artist? Our society is full of blasphemy.

I am concerned with your commending that specific blasphemy, Sam.

Not to worry, it is as illusory as most of your grievances.

I have very few actual grievances, and all of them are real.

You should prolly talk to a Christian about your blasphemy problem.



Thanks...do you know any?

I'd suggest you start with that Robert Morris fella who was the preacher man caught diddling. He. could get you pointed in the right direction. Old 83 needs to get out of his little church. There is all matter of Christian Blasphemy and it is sickening because most good Christians just ignore it. Old 83. Is what Piggy Said blasphemous to Christians?
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

That's incorrect. And the Iranian leadership loves to label the U.S. as kafir-al-harbi.

It is correct, and kafir-al-harbi is very different from infidel.

Infidel is the English term for Kafir. There are multiple levels of it. The Ayatollahs, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc. use Takfir to declare groups like the U.S. and others Kafirs or Kuffar.

It's a broad term whose meaning depends on context. The Koran distinguishes between pagans, who are considered enemies, and People of the Book, who worship the same God. The idea that Muslims have some general mandate to kill non-Muslims is false and harmful.
I'm not making the argument there's a blanket mandate in Islam to kill non-Muslims. It's when hardcore Islamists come into power when the blanket declarations tend to materialize. Just ask the Bahai's in Iran.
boognish_bear
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Concepts of a deal

cowboycwr
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Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.


Just curious what Iranian attacks have occurred on the US outside the ME? Maybe I missed something. Israel, definitely. US proper? Saudii they attacked us 9/11. Iran?

So you are willing to ignore all the terror attacks against US citizens just because it didn't happen in the US?

No, who said that? I want a list. Similar to Lockerbee 103, 9/11 and the others. Nothing complicated, just what we connect to Iran. We know that Hamas has killed 46 on October 7, supporting Israel against Hamas no issues.

We are spending Billions and are about to go after the life support for the population, power and desalinization. Reminding us of what Iran did to deserve this does not seem out of bounds. Beyond the fund terror... That is abstract, tie it to real events that Iran did.

I mean a simple Google search will give you that list but you could start with:

1983 Beirut and then end with October 7 and just fill in all the events in between.

But none outside the Middle East.


What does that have to do with anything??

A terror attack that kills American citizens is just that. A deadly terror attack. Location does not matter.
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Porteroso said:

cowboycwr said:

Porteroso said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.

They rarely attacked outside the Middle East, Africa, Southern Europe, throughout history. A few major excursions, sure.

LOL. Sure when you expand from the Middle east to INCLUDE the regions they expand out to and attack then of course it is limited to few areas they attack outside of. But that was not the original claim. The original claim is that when they stop killing each other they expand outside of the Middle East.

Read again. I made a claim, which received a fake response that twisted the conversation. Just read and try to comprehend.


Sorry but the post BEFORE yours said they attack outside the Middle East. Then you added all the other areas to make it seem like they don't leave that extended range.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).


That's what you think? It appears to me that lately, enriched uranium is survival. Ukraine gave up their Nukes. Libya? Iraq?

It's the only way to stop from being invaded.
cowboycwr
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boognish_bear said:

RP suggests something else was going on




6 aircraft were not shot down though….. they were destroyed by our own forces when they became stuck.

Landing there to go snatch something else and just happening to also have a downed pilot is a huge stretch.

Or even just creating a fake story of a downed pilot as a cover story is not realistic.

Sorry but this just screams tinfoil hat type stuff.
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cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.


Just curious what Iranian attacks have occurred on the US outside the ME? Maybe I missed something. Israel, definitely. US proper? Saudii they attacked us 9/11. Iran?

So you are willing to ignore all the terror attacks against US citizens just because it didn't happen in the US?

No, who said that? I want a list. Similar to Lockerbee 103, 9/11 and the others. Nothing complicated, just what we connect to Iran. We know that Hamas has killed 46 on October 7, supporting Israel against Hamas no issues.

We are spending Billions and are about to go after the life support for the population, power and desalinization. Reminding us of what Iran did to deserve this does not seem out of bounds. Beyond the fund terror... That is abstract, tie it to real events that Iran did.

I mean a simple Google search will give you that list but you could start with:

1983 Beirut and then end with October 7 and just fill in all the events in between.

But none outside the Middle East.


What does that have to do with anything??

A terror attack that kills American citizens is just that. A deadly terror attack. Location does not matter.


It makes a big difference whether they are killing American civilians on American soil vs American soldiers who are essentially working as mercenaries on behalf of Israel and the Middle Eastern oil barrens.

Congress did not declare war. They got 3 more weeks before this "military operation" becomes illegal.
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cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.


Just curious what Iranian attacks have occurred on the US outside the ME? Maybe I missed something. Israel, definitely. US proper? Saudii they attacked us 9/11. Iran?

So you are willing to ignore all the terror attacks against US citizens just because it didn't happen in the US?

No, who said that? I want a list. Similar to Lockerbee 103, 9/11 and the others. Nothing complicated, just what we connect to Iran. We know that Hamas has killed 46 on October 7, supporting Israel against Hamas no issues.

We are spending Billions and are about to go after the life support for the population, power and desalinization. Reminding us of what Iran did to deserve this does not seem out of bounds. Beyond the fund terror... That is abstract, tie it to real events that Iran did.

I mean a simple Google search will give you that list but you could start with:

1983 Beirut and then end with October 7 and just fill in all the events in between.

But none outside the Middle East.


What does that have to do with anything??

A terror attack that kills American citizens is just that. A deadly terror attack. Location does not matter.


Maybe Sam believes in birthright terrorism? It's only a terrorist attack if it is in the United States?
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Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).


That's what you think? It appears to me that lately, enriched uranium is survival. Ukraine gave up their Nukes. Libya? Iraq?

It's the only way to stop from being invaded.

Yep.
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D. C. Bear said:

cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.


Just curious what Iranian attacks have occurred on the US outside the ME? Maybe I missed something. Israel, definitely. US proper? Saudii they attacked us 9/11. Iran?

So you are willing to ignore all the terror attacks against US citizens just because it didn't happen in the US?

No, who said that? I want a list. Similar to Lockerbee 103, 9/11 and the others. Nothing complicated, just what we connect to Iran. We know that Hamas has killed 46 on October 7, supporting Israel against Hamas no issues.

We are spending Billions and are about to go after the life support for the population, power and desalinization. Reminding us of what Iran did to deserve this does not seem out of bounds. Beyond the fund terror... That is abstract, tie it to real events that Iran did.

I mean a simple Google search will give you that list but you could start with:

1983 Beirut and then end with October 7 and just fill in all the events in between.

But none outside the Middle East.


What does that have to do with anything??

A terror attack that kills American citizens is just that. A deadly terror attack. Location does not matter.


Maybe Sam believes in birthright terrorism? It's only a terrorist attack if it is in the United States?

You can pretend otherwise, but most people do see the difference. Contrast the US response to the 1983 Marine barracks bombing with the response to 9/11.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).


Burn down our Nation. Have you ever talked to any real Moslems from Iran or Saudi? They want to burn down Israel. They don't give a **** about us besides staying out of their business. People like you make us a target. We will get this 60% uranium and they will figure how to get 90% from N Korea, Russia, China, Pakistan they will keep trying and your strategy leaving them stronger in Hormuz will pay for it

You realize besides Trump winning against Harris you have not been right on anything. Everything Trump and you have said had been wrong.
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Yeah, right where we want them

Iran's 10-point plan includes:

1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again
2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire
3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon
4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran
5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies
6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz
7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship
8. Iran would split these fees with Oman
9. Iran to provide rules for safe passage through Hormuz
10. Iran to use Hormuz fees for reconstruction instead of reparations


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cowboycwr said:

Porteroso said:

cowboycwr said:

Porteroso said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.

They rarely attacked outside the Middle East, Africa, Southern Europe, throughout history. A few major excursions, sure.

LOL. Sure when you expand from the Middle east to INCLUDE the regions they expand out to and attack then of course it is limited to few areas they attack outside of. But that was not the original claim. The original claim is that when they stop killing each other they expand outside of the Middle East.

Read again. I made a claim, which received a fake response that twisted the conversation. Just read and try to comprehend.


Sorry but the post BEFORE yours said they attack outside the Middle East. Then you added all the other areas to make it seem like they don't leave that extended range.

You're almost there. Read the post before that too. Let me know if I need to explain what
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What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.
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Understandable. Wars are always chaotic and unpredictable. One never knows how things will turn out. Even the textbook success of the 1990s Gulf War was a surprise when Iraq collapsed so quickly and no one on our side had any idea what to do next.
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

The more extreme Muslims think that about anyone who is not Muslim and they have no problem with lying to and killing Jews and Christian's, along with Buddhists and Hindus.
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If we leave while they have their uranium, and they start taxing tankers at 2m per pop, this will go down as a bigger military blunder than Russia invading Ukraine.
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Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

Until the 1979 Revolution, Iran was an ally of the US. But the radicals took over, overran our embassy, and held our people hostage for over a year. Today the Iranian people don't particularly hate the US. They hate their oppressive govt and have thanked Trump and the US for attacking it.

Pull your head out of whatever crevice it's in and get rid of the the arrogance. Most of us have read plenty of books, just not the same ones you do. Also, each of us is entitled to our opinions and are capable of drawing rational conclusions. You might find it easier if you don't let the MSM do your thinking for you.
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whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.
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