Didn't think I would see Ann quoting the NYT

Every single Trump advisor is now - off the record - telling the @nytimes they were opposed Netanyahu's argument for the Iran war.

THAT'S how well the war is going.

Ratcliffe: "Farcical."

Rubio: “It’s bullshit”

Caine: "Standard operating procedure for the Israelis. They…

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) April 7, 2026

BREAKING: Iran says it has "forced" the US to accept its "10-point plan" which includes the following terms:

1. Commitment to non-aggression
2. Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz
3. Acceptance of Iran's uranium enrichment
4. Lifting of all primary sanctions
5. Lifting of…

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) April 7, 2026

NY Times: "The Iranian 10-point proposal includes a lifting of all sanctions — placed on Iran by every American administration since the George W. Bush administration" pic.twitter.com/xRVPH4GvZq

— Steve Lookner (@lookner) April 7, 2026

Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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America is overdue for a reality check. Far better to get it from Iran than from China.

TACO city. Predictable as sunrise. "I'm giving them two weeks." This guy is the biggest f$$$$g b$$$h.

303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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Maybe let's get the facts, not just go by unsupported claims about what was agreed to by the US.

Anyone who thinks Iran tells the truth about anything but hating Americans and Jews is delusional.

Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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Maybe let's get the facts, not just go by unsupported claims about what was agreed to by the US.

Anyone who thinks Iran tells the truth about anything but hating Americans and Jews is delusional.

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My question is based on a literal quote from the President of the United States' truth social post if you're keeping up.

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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Maybe let's get the facts, not just go by unsupported claims about what was agreed to by the US.

Anyone who thinks Iran tells the truth about anything but hating Americans and Jews is delusional.

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My question is based on a literal quote from the President of the United States' truth social post if you're keeping up.

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Go back to my earlier posts about Trump's actions vs his words.

So again, you seem to be saying you don't know what the agreement is, or if there is one, yes?

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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Maybe let's get the facts, not just go by unsupported claims about what was agreed to by the US.

Anyone who thinks Iran tells the truth about anything but hating Americans and Jews is delusional.

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My question is based on a literal quote from the President of the United States' truth social post if you're keeping up.

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Go back to my earlier posts about Trump's actions vs his words.

So again, you seem to be saying you don't know what the agreement is, or if there is one, yes?

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That is generally why one asks a question. We do, never know that Iran previously delivered a 10 point list of demands. Trump then tweeted (truth socialed?) about receiving a "workable" 10 point framework from Iran, so it is not exactly an unreasonable question to ask whether they are related/one and the same.

This could, of course, be another 12D chess situation, though it seems unlikely that regime change is going to happen at this point or any surrender of unclear materials by Iran without concessions by the US. I guess we will know in 2 weeks.

Of course they are

ISRAEL UNHAPPY WITH CEASEFIRE PLAN BUT TRUMP MAKING THE DECISIONS - ISRAEL CHANNEL 12

— First Squawk (@FirstSquawk) April 7, 2026

" any surrender of unclear materials by Iran"

I think I know what you meant to write in place of the bolded word, but that is too apropos for this point in the discussion not to point it out.

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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Maybe let's get the facts, not just go by unsupported claims about what was agreed to by the US.

Anyone who thinks Iran tells the truth about anything but hating Americans and Jews is delusional.

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My question is based on a literal quote from the President of the United States' truth social post if you're keeping up.

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All Old understands is "Donald good". Anything Donald says or does is best ever. He has Trump Cult Syndrome, can't help himself. Take what he says on this subject with a grain of salt. On other subjects he is a good guy and makes good points.

Although, one point on Trump, no one has ever seen anything like this. That is true.

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Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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Maybe let's get the facts, not just go by unsupported claims about what was agreed to by the US.

Anyone who thinks Iran tells the truth about anything but hating Americans and Jews is delusional.

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My question is based on a literal quote from the President of the United States' truth social post if you're keeping up.

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All Old understands is "Donald good". Anything Donald says or does is best ever. He has Trump Cult Syndrome, can't help himself. Take what he says on this subject with a grain of salt. On other subjects he is a good guy and makes good points.

Although, one point on Trump, no one has ever seen anything like this. That is true.

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It's funny how FLBear and the other Mullahs keep insisting I am a Trump cheerleader. I have said ad nauseum how I dislike his personality and voted for DeSantis in the '24 primary .

But the Mullahs consider any support for the President or the official US position on an issue as 'bootlicking' or something as absurd,

I guess it helps them deny they need to consider the character of their behavior whenever Trump is involved in an issue.

On other issues they are good people and make good points.

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I've never subscribed to that theory, but the recommendation is right there in black and white: "If Israel intended to proceed regardless, the United States should do so as well."

This is a shocking abrogation of authority if true.

Sam Lowry said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I've never subscribed to that theory, but the recommendation is right there in black and white: "If Israel intended to proceed regardless, the United States should do so as well."

This is a shocking abrogation of authority if true.

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Lol, no it isn't. Israel making their move only gave us the opportunity to do what has needed to be done for decades. Of COURSE you would interpret that to mean the worst possible scenario.

Happy to see an off ramp. Hope it's taken.

It appears Rubio and others understood regime change isn't a real possibility.

An Israeli military official says the country is still attacking Iran, after the White House said Israel agreed to the two-week U.S.-Iran ceasefire agreement. https://t.co/MxeA4RkVYl

— The Associated Press (@AP) April 8, 2026

BREAKING: The CIA used a secret new tool, “Ghost Murmur,” to locate a downed U.S. airman in Iran, its first real-world use, per NYP.

It can detect a human heartbeat from miles away using AI and advanced sensors:

“If your heart is beating, we will find you.”

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) April 7, 2026

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I'm more concerned the people advising him didn't really have a plan, particularly Hegseth.

Sam Lowry said:

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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America is overdue for a reality check. Far better to get it from Iran than from China.

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Lots of lessons here, but I bet Iran stops trying to make a nuclear weapon.

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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Maybe let's get the facts, not just go by unsupported claims about what was agreed to by the US.

Anyone who thinks Iran tells the truth about anything but hating Americans and Jews is delusional.

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My question is based on a literal quote from the President of the United States' truth social post if you're keeping up.

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All Old understands is "Donald good". Anything Donald says or does is best ever. He has Trump Cult Syndrome, can't help himself. Take what he says on this subject with a grain of salt. On other subjects he is a good guy and makes good points.

Although, one point on Trump, no one has ever seen anything like this. That is true.

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It's funny how FLBear and the other Mullahs keep insisting I am a Trump cheerleader. I have said ad nauseum how I dislike his personality and voted for DeSantis in the '24 primary .

But the Mullahs consider any support for the President or the official US position on an issue as 'bootlicking' or something as absurd,

I guess it helps them deny they need to consider the character of their behavior whenever Trump is involved in an issue.

On other issues they are good people and make good points.

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it is ok. we are all impressionable to a certain degree, MAGA / Donald fans just more so.

ATL Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I'm more concerned the people advising him didn't really have a plan, particularly Hegseth.

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BINGO! This is a strategic and policy disaster, thank god our military is tactically sound.

ATL Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I'm more concerned the people advising him didn't really have a plan, particularly Hegseth.

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Well because YOU don't know what the plan is that means there must not have been one, right?

FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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Maybe let's get the facts, not just go by unsupported claims about what was agreed to by the US.

Anyone who thinks Iran tells the truth about anything but hating Americans and Jews is delusional.

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My question is based on a literal quote from the President of the United States' truth social post if you're keeping up.

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All Old understands is "Donald good". Anything Donald says or does is best ever. He has Trump Cult Syndrome, can't help himself. Take what he says on this subject with a grain of salt. On other subjects he is a good guy and makes good points.

Although, one point on Trump, no one has ever seen anything like this. That is true.

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It's funny how FLBear and the other Mullahs keep insisting I am a Trump cheerleader. I have said ad nauseum how I dislike his personality and voted for DeSantis in the '24 primary .

But the Mullahs consider any support for the President or the official US position on an issue as 'bootlicking' or something as absurd,

I guess it helps them deny they need to consider the character of their behavior whenever Trump is involved in an issue.

On other issues they are good people and make good points.

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it is ok. we are all impressionable to a certain degree, MAGA / Donald fans just more so.

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Having just reminded you I am not a "Donald fan", not sure where you think I sit.

There's more than two seats on the spectrum.

Wangchung said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I'm more concerned the people advising him didn't really have a plan, particularly Hegseth.

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Well because YOU don't know what the plan is that means there must not have been one, right?

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That's about as logical as saying because you don't know what the plan is, that means there definitely was one. Meanwhile we all can absorb the actions and words of everyone from the President, his cabinet, our allies and the multitude of conflicting messages, pivots, and coordinations.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I've never subscribed to that theory, but the recommendation is right there in black and white: "If Israel intended to proceed regardless, the United States should do so as well."

This is a shocking abrogation of authority if true.

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Lol, no it isn't. Israel making their move only gave us the opportunity to do what has needed to be done for decades. Of COURSE you would interpret that to mean the worst possible scenario.

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That's completely off point.

ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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303Bear said:

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Is this the 10 point framework that Trump said was "workable" in his tweet? If so, this is closer to capitulation to avoid having to make good on an untenable promise (end of civilization) than a victory.

Does anyone who is not the Iranian government count this as a "win"?

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America is overdue for a reality check. Far better to get it from Iran than from China.

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Lots of lessons here, but I bet Iran starts trying to make a nuclear weapon.

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FIFY

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I've never subscribed to that theory, but the recommendation is right there in black and white: "If Israel intended to proceed regardless, the United States should do so as well."

This is a shocking abrogation of authority if true.

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Lol, no it isn't. Israel making their move only gave us the opportunity to do what has needed to be done for decades. Of COURSE you would interpret that to mean the worst possible scenario.

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That's completely off point.

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How so?

FLBear5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I'm more concerned the people advising him didn't really have a plan, particularly Hegseth.

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BINGO! This is a strategic and policy disaster, thank god our military is tactically sound.

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I wouldn't label this a disaster. At least not yet. There is truth and necessity that Iran needed to be dealt with harshly. The first bombing was sound. This second escalation may have been necessary, maybe not. I do think resetting the deterrence measure with Iran will pay dividends against terrorism against the U.S. and nuclear weapon pursuits. Leave the regime change on the side of the road and try to build a more constructive relationship with another Islamist "bad guy".

ATL Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I'm more concerned the people advising him didn't really have a plan, particularly Hegseth.

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BINGO! This is a strategic and policy disaster, thank god our military is tactically sound.

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I wouldn't label this a disaster. At least not yet. There is truth and necessity that Iran needed to be dealt with harshly. The first bombing was sound. This second escalation may have been necessary, maybe not. I do think resetting the deterrence measure with Iran will pay dividends against terrorism against the U.S. and nuclear weapon pursuits. Leave the regime change on the side of the road and try to build a more constructive relationship with another Islamist "bad guy".

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Maybe we should negotiate a deal with the regime that would allow us to verify what they are doing either their uranium.

D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I've never subscribed to that theory, but the recommendation is right there in black and white: "If Israel intended to proceed regardless, the United States should do so as well."

This is a shocking abrogation of authority if true.

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Lol, no it isn't. Israel making their move only gave us the opportunity to do what has needed to be done for decades. Of COURSE you would interpret that to mean the worst possible scenario.

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That's completely off point.

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How so?

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The question isn't whether attacking Iran was a good idea. It's whether we were influenced by, or perhaps even deferred to, Israel's decision to attack at that particular time.

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FLBear5630 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This can't be true, I have it on good authority from the nevertrumpers in here that Trump just went into this with zero planning while ignoring all advice except Israel's commands!

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I'm more concerned the people advising him didn't really have a plan, particularly Hegseth.

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BINGO! This is a strategic and policy disaster, thank god our military is tactically sound.

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I wouldn't label this a disaster. At least not yet. There is truth and necessity that Iran needed to be dealt with harshly. The first bombing was sound. This second escalation may have been necessary, maybe not. I do think resetting the deterrence measure with Iran will pay dividends against terrorism against the U.S. and nuclear weapon pursuits. Leave the regime change on the side of the road and try to build a more constructive relationship with another Islamist "bad guy".

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Maybe we should negotiate a deal with the regime that would allow us to verify what they are doing either their uranium.

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It didn't matter for 30 years. Maybe they'll play along this time.

When Democrats say they’re a “Big Tent Party” they mean a BIG tent pic.twitter.com/AYEAPDJHzz

— Enguerrand VII de Coucy (@ingelramdecoucy) April 8, 2026