President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:58p, 4/8/26
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Oldbear83 said:
FLBear just continues to prove why I rebuke him so much. This is his post about me from this morning, by point and with my response:


"Juse right of William Buckley and two seats left of Steven Miller... : )"

Just including that because FLBear posted it. No particular response needed or offered.

But here's where FLBear and the rail part ways:

"You have defended ICE shooting protestors in the street, the military blowing up speed boats with Hellfire missiles because they fit a profile and taking Greenland because we want it , that is pretty far right."

The amount of dishonesty here is off the scale. By individual claim, then:


"You have defended ICE shooting protestors in the street"

That is a lie as presented. I have supported ICE officers defending themselves from persons who deliberately interfered with their operations and put the agents' lives at risk. Suddenly driving cars at agents and carrying firearms into a planned interaction with federal agents is in no universe the same thing as 'protesting', and FLBear knows this.

"the military blowing up speed boats with Hellfire missiles because they fit a profile"

Again, FLBear wants everyone to forget the context. Last I checked, every boat destroyed actually was crewed by armed narco gangs. The only sane take from FLBear's claim is that he wants us to protect the narco gangs. You'd have to ask him why.

"and taking Greenland because we want it , that is pretty far right."

This one is unique, because to the best of my mind I never once said we should seize Greenland. Would not be the first time FLBear has accused me to supporting something no one but the voices in his head actually said.

Moving on to the rest of his rant, we see the following:

"To be fair, I think the Govt forgiving student debt in programs is a good thing, being in NATO is worth it and we need a type of Obamacare/ACA. So that puts me just right of Prisker and left of pretty much this Board."

FLBear is completely wrong on government paying off private debt, even student loans. Obamacare/ACA was raping the American patient en masse for decades, so how any person with a conscience could support it is evidence of DNC contributions. Now as for NATO, I see value in the organization, but only if every nation pays the same amount and every nation has the same rights as the other member nations. But of course. Europe in recent years is far from the Europe whose ass we saved more than once.


"i agree with Eisenhower, the Government should be fiscally responsible and help people's lives be better if it could. Defense should not come at the expense of people."

FLBear has, on the evidence, nothing at all in common with Dwight Eisenhower. Ike, for one thing, would be quick to remind FLBear that the responsibility for Defense is actually in the Constitution, as opposed to the other garbage in his post he wants us to pay for.

For all practical purposes, this conclusively proves FLBear is a Democrat in mind and soul.

You actually should read some of Ike's stuff. He is not on the same page with you or this crowd.

As for Greenland, I stand corrected and apologize. The other two people can read your responses, I stand pat on those.

Trump will leverage NATO inaction into an even better deal on Greenland in exchange for staying in NATO.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 8:26p, 4/8/26
boognish_bear said:

Who knows what "deal" was / is being actually struck, but so far the messaging and actions since the "agreement" has looked clownish.
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In reply to 303Bear • 8:33p, 4/8/26
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boognish_bear said:

Who knows what "deal" was / is being actually struck, but so far the messaging and actions since the "agreement" has looked clownish.


They will change the story as needed. We have people on this site that will lap it up. Either they are idiot zealots or they are making money off Trump, those are the only two things that make sense. Too many sociopaths, too bad that personality flaw seems help people be successful. Loss of empathy.
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In reply to 303Bear • 8:44p, 4/8/26
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boognish_bear said:

Who knows what "deal" was / is being actually struck, but so far the messaging and actions since the "agreement" has looked clownish.

Imagine that.
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In reply to 303Bear • 9:44p, 4/8/26
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boognish_bear said:

Who knows what "deal" was / is being actually struck, but so far the messaging and actions since the "agreement" has looked clownish.
And people wonder why some of us question the existence of a plan. Maybe "plan" is too simplistic. Perhaps a lack of coordination on the strategy is more appropriate.
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The greatest Pope in my lifetime...

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In reply to boognish_bear • 11:24p, 4/8/26
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ok, Donnie! Merca is back. No , fat man it isn't. You have done decades if damage, but WR, Old, Lj just lap up th pablum . Serious question. Does anyone believe anything that comes out of his Pig Mouth ?
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Conquest? Somebody proofread these, please.
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In reply to whiterock • 1:22a, 4/9/26
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Well Trump and Bibi have done the impossible, they are making the terrorist look like victims. They are making Iran look like they are trying... Unbelievable.

LOL no, they're not. But even if that were so, why would it matter? The goal is not to compete with them on who has the better PR image. The goal is to destroy their ability to threaten us. And we have severely diminished their ability to do that.

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Ok, let's cut through all the Trumpy Admin's lies and BS relative to his war of choice and see where we are:

1) No Nuclear Weapons. They are already back enriching- Strike 1

2) Regime Change-Strike 2

3) Wipe out Ballistic Capabilities. They still have half of their missiles and a chit ton of drones. Strike 3

That would be 0-3 for yall scoring at home. What a disaster.

oh, and the worse swing and a miss. Straight of Hourmuz shut down again. Viva la Donnie!

Face it. Sure Piggy destroyed some stuff, but make NO mistake we a losing by every metric. Sad but true.
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The Pentagon summoned the Pope's ambassador, told him the United States has the military power to do "whatever it wants,"


This is a problem. Whiterock will say that Trump is just saying what we always imply. The difference is when you fo say it we become the problem in the world. Trump is using the US military and ICE as his own personal armies.

who is next? In Trump world NATO and Denmark are as bad as China and Cuba. As Gaetz says I hope Bibi doesn't say the Vatican is 2 weeks from a nuke. He will have Trump invade the Vatican. Jared Kushner, Trumps bag man, will go to extort what he wants. We have become the mob, Trump is governing based on 1970's mob movies.

We are Bibi's proxy...
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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 7:07a, 4/9/26
EatMoreSalmon said:
boognish_bear said:


Conquest? Somebody proofread these, please.


Manifest destiny, so hot right now.
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In reply to J.R. • 7:17a, 4/9/26
J.R. said:
Ok, let's cut through all the Trumpy Admin's lies and BS relative to his war of choice and see where we are:

1) No Nuclear Weapons. They are already back enriching- Strike 1

2) Regime Change-Strike 2

3) Wipe out Ballistic Capabilities. They still have half of their missiles and a chit ton of drones. Strike 3

That would be 0-3 for yall scoring at home. What a disaster.

oh, and the worse swing and a miss. Straight of Hourmuz shut down again. Viva la Donnie!

Face it. Sure Piggy destroyed some stuff, but make NO mistake we a losing by every metric. Sad but true.

This is a war we cannot win. Which is why every previous president did not go racing into it.

Even with ground forces, we cannot effect regime change in a civilizational state 6x as large as Iraq with 4x the population with an army 1/2 the size of the one we had during the Iraq war.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:22a, 4/9/26
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The Pentagon summoned the Pope's ambassador, told him the United States has the military power to do "whatever it wants,"


This is a problem. Whiterock will say that Trump is just saying what we always imply. The difference is when you fo say it we become the problem in the world. Trump is using the US military and ICE as his own personal armies.

who is next? In Trump world NATO and Denmark are as bad as China and Cuba. As Gaetz says I hope Bibi doesn't say the Vatican is 2 weeks from a nuke. He will have Trump invade the Vatican. Jared Kushner, Trumps bag man, will go to extort what he wants. We have become the mob, Trump is governing based on 1970's mob movies.

We are Bibi's proxy...


That's a very simplistic and poorly supported view. Our interests happen to coincide in some measure with Israel's. Are we the proxy of the various gulf states who also share those interests? Is Israel the proxy of Saudi Arabia?
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In reply to D. C. Bear • 7:40a, 4/9/26
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That's a very simplistic and poorly supported view. Our interests happen to coincide in some measure with Israel's. Are we the proxy of the various gulf states who also share those interests? Is Israel the proxy of Saudi Arabia?


Our relationship with the GCC countries is going to be fundamentally different after this.

"But depending on the outcome of this conflict, some Gulf countries may develop concerns about US reliability as an economic and security partner. Gulf leaders might, for example, fault Washington for an inability to control the conflict or for failing to find an off-ramp at an appropriate time. If this happens, some GCC countries might then choose to reinforce their partnership options beyond the United States by strengthening ties with Russia and Chinaperhaps economically at first, but potentially also strategically. This in turn could make it more difficult for the United States to pursue its interests in the region, not only in terms of its security goals and Iran policy, but also longer-term strategic partnerships on issues as varied as advanced technology, artificial intelligence, and nuclear energy.

Gulf countries have long proven that they maintain their own relationships with Iran and other groups to advance their own interests, much in the same way that many European countries do. These channels have proven useful to convey messages over the years, but the Trump administration should not underestimate Gulf countries' ability to use the same channels to take steps with Iran that might undercut US interests and long-term goals if Washington is unable to find a suitable off-ramp that serves GCC interests. Similarly, Iran might try to take advantage of its relationships with China, Russia, and the GCC in ways that run counter to US interests, even if the current conflict has created suspicion in Iran's relationship with its neighbors.

Mitigating these potential end states will be a long-term project that will require the focused attention of the Trump administration even after a resolution to the immediate conflict."

That's from the establishmentarian Atlantic Council.

The interests of the US and the GCC are increasingly diverging as we serve as Israel's proxy. Our interests vis-a-vis Iran have never been the same as Israel's. We want national security - no nukes on ICBMs and an open Strait of Hormuz. Israel wants Iran dismantled like Amalek (Bibi's own words).
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PHANTOM TOLLBOOTH

This is a very good article. It is an abbreviated interview with this guy: "The anonymous energy trader @CRUDEOIL231 on X manages a pod at a hedge fund owned by one of the world's largest commodity trading firms. He took a break from longing his oil longs to survey the damage to production capacity, and explain why freezing Iranian control of Hormuz is fundamentally untenable."

Probably worth a follow on X.

What do you make of the ceasefire deal announced yesterday? What will this do to oil prices in April / May / June?

Oil prices will likely show weakness for a few trading days. However, it is highly doubtful that this will lead to a permanent peace agreement.

Conditions such as Iran's continued control over the Strait of Hormuz, acceptance of uranium enrichment, lifting of all major sanctions, payment of reparations to Iran, and a cessation of hostilities on all fronts including Hezbollah in Lebanon seem nearly impossible to reach a consensus on.

Iran's control over the Strait of Hormuz directly conflicts with the vital interests of GCC countries, and the uranium enrichment issue remains difficult to resolve given the justifications for this war.
Lifting sanctions requires not just executive action but congressional approval. Furthermore, with both sides claiming victory, paying reparations would essentially mean admitting defeat and acknowledging acts of aggression. For the US government, this is an absolute non-starter.

The two-week ceasefire appears to be more of a tactical timeout rather than a fundamental resolution. While it may cap the ceiling for front-month prices, that's about it. Oil prices will continue to stay at elevated levels.

Do you think Hormuz traffic will normalize? What time frame?

The 150 million barrels of floating storage currently trapped in the Persian Gulf will likely attempt to exit the Strait. The short-term dip in oil prices reflects the market's fear that this crude will hit the market all at once.
The real issue is the two-week timeframe. Since no one knows what happens after those 14 days, most shipowners might be willing to exit the Gulf from west to east to offload, but they will hesitate to enter the Gulf for loading.

Even in an optimistic scenario, I don't see the traffic volume over the next two weeks recovering to more than 50% of pre-war levels.

What level of impairment has there been to Iran / GCC production capacity? If the ceasefire holds will production be able to snap back fairly quickly?

Nearly 12 mb/d of production has already been shut in, and it cannot be restored quickly.
First the tankers currently inside must exit the Strait. Then incoming tankers must enter from outside for loading. Finally to actually restart production, the onshore storage tanks, currently at full capacity, must be drained before the taps can be turned back on.

Therefore two weeks is nowhere near enough time to resume production. Even assuming the ceasefire holds, it would take at least 6-8 weeks to recover more than 70% of the shut-in volume. In the meantime, global crude inventories will continue to be drained.
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RAW.

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In reply to whiterock • 9:17a, 4/9/26
whiterock said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
whiterock said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
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Porteroso said:
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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......



I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).


That's what you think? It appears to me that lately, enriched uranium is survival. Ukraine gave up their Nukes. Libya? Iraq?

It's the only way to stop from being invaded.

you have it backwards. holding onto the enriched uranium is destroying the regime. They give it up, the pressure goes away. they survive. the longer they hold on to it, the more things they need get blown up....the more of their leadership gets blown up. That enriched uranium is the proximate cause of their current distress.

we don't need to care about Iran.
we only care about Iran because they chant "death to America" and try to build nuclear weapons.
we only care about Iran because they build long-range ballistic missiles to deliver those weapons far beyond their borders.

That's not true. They gave it up in 2015. All indications were that they were cooperating and working within the agreed-upon framework.
Complete fantasy. They demonstrated they have ballistic missiles capable of striking all of Europe, and admitted to us that they have enough enriched uranium to build a dozen nuclear weapons within a few weeks.


  • Ballistic missles were not part of the JCPOA. There were to be discussed at a later date. If you're honest, would we be here today had we stayed the corse? We can't answer that but we had a framework that would have prevented theses attacks. Who was opposed to that deal?
Except, we didn't get Bibi's approval. Bibi has been pushing for this war since 1996, and he will destroy his country, too. I hate that for Israel.
If you're going to take this line of reasoning, technically we ignored Bibi all the way down the line and didn't act until the Gulf Arab states got on board with taking out the Iranian nukes. So how can we be an Israeli puppet? Again, we see the fallacy that because Bibi agrees with every POTUS since 1980 who has said Iran will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, Bibi is our master. Shouldn't we thank him for trying to get us to act before Iran got so close?

  • All other presidents ignored Netanyahu. Why? His intrests and ours were different. Our intelligence differed from theirs. This is how ****ed up he is. No other "Friend" comes to the United States congress and opposes our presidet. He had the balls to do it and shaefully, the republicans allowed it. That's like you coming to my home and telling my kids how horrible I am.
At some point, you can't attack the Lebanese.
Israel isn't attacking "the Lebanese." It's attacking Hizballah.
Attack the Palestinians,
They did. You complained about that, too.
Ignore crimes in the West Bank, work to destroy international agreements you don't like, then convince the world that THEY are the terrorist.
Israel does ignore a lot of Palestinian crimes in the West bank.

  • They ignore Jewish crime against Palestenians. They just passed a law to apply the death penalty to crimes committed by Arabs but not eually to crimes commited by settlers.
  • Settlers continue to attack Palestenians without reprocussion.
Israel has destroyed no international agreements of others.
Iran is on our "State Sponsor of Terrorism" list.

  • I'm sure Gazans would disagree.
Iranian proxies Hizballah, Hamas, and the Houthis are all designated terror groups.
Thank you Israel for pounding them into dust.

  • I'm not seeing a difference between them and Israel. It keeps being a question of whose life we value more.
I hope the people of Israel get regime change. There's a path to peace. It just got longer and more painful.
Just the opposite. We took out Iran, its client states Syria and Venezuela, and all three of its major terrorist group proxies. The road to peace just got a lot easier to travel.

  • We don't get to peace with these actions. All we get is us ignoring Israel's atrocities at the UN.
  • We didn't take out Iran. We extended suffering in the region. International news sources show serious destruction in Tel Aviv. We see serious destruction in Tehran and Lebanon. We see global economic disruption. I don't see an benefit to us.

You have quite a serious case of recto-cranial inversion.

Israel is not a problem for us in the least. They are a highly capable ally, in some cases moreso than us.
Iran, on the other hand......a jihadist Twelver regime seeking, and nearly obtaining the means to convert the whole world to islam via the threat of nuclear weapons.

Bibi is not our friend. Let's see what happens when Trump tries to exit Iran. My bet? We will not find a solution partner with him. He doesn't care about the lives of our soldiers, the impact on our long-standing relationships, or the effect on our economy.

Personally, I think Bibi is overplaying his hand. It is straining our strong relationship with Israel. This is where we need regime change. We need new Israeli leadership that respects human rights and finds common ground with its neighbors.

I'm not an Israel hater. Calling balls and strikes.
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In reply to J.R. • 9:22a, 4/9/26
J.R. said:
Ok, let's cut through all the Trumpy Admin's lies and BS relative to his war of choice and see where we are:

1) No Nuclear Weapons. They are already back enriching- Strike 1

2) Regime Change-Strike 2

3) Wipe out Ballistic Capabilities. They still have half of their missiles and a chit ton of drones. Strike 3

That would be 0-3 for yall scoring at home. What a disaster.

oh, and the worse swing and a miss. Straight of Hourmuz shut down again. Viva la Donnie!

Face it. Sure Piggy destroyed some stuff, but make NO mistake we a losing by every metric. Sad but true.

1) BS - there is no evidence they are back to enriching uranium (just because you and your fellow dim TDS'ers are rooting for it doesn't make it true).

2) It's been less than a month and a half as far as possible regime change goes, so give it time. This isn't like a movie where it all ends in a couple of hours.

3) BS - Iran has been decimated in all facets of their military capability and have nowhere near "half their missles and a chit ton of drones". Again, I realize you and your fellow lefty TDS'ers want your country's military to fail, but bad news for you - they're spectacularly succeeding,

That would be 3 straight lies for those of you scoring at home. What a load of crap.

And the Strait of Hormuz will either open soon (it's just day 2 of the cease fire as of this writing) or the military actions to finish the job and insure it opens will promptly resume.

I know it still hurts that your gal Kommiela lost and we don't still have true disasters like Obummer and Dementia Joe's handlers in charge, sending pallets of cash to the Mullahs and negotiating deals that insure eventual nuclear capability for Iran to threaten the world - but we don't (thank God).

Now get back in that pit. I need my 10 minute oil change.
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Please tell me this is fake and has been debunked.
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In reply to Realitybites • 9:34a, 4/9/26
Realitybites said:
J.R. said:
Ok, let's cut through all the Trumpy Admin's lies and BS relative to his war of choice and see where we are:

1) No Nuclear Weapons. They are already back enriching- Strike 1

2) Regime Change-Strike 2

3) Wipe out Ballistic Capabilities. They still have half of their missiles and a chit ton of drones. Strike 3

That would be 0-3 for yall scoring at home. What a disaster.

oh, and the worse swing and a miss. Straight of Hourmuz shut down again. Viva la Donnie!

Face it. Sure Piggy destroyed some stuff, but make NO mistake we a losing by every metric. Sad but true.

This is a war we cannot win. Which is why every previous president did not go racing into it.

Even with ground forces, we cannot effect regime change in a civilizational state 6x as large as Iraq with 4x the population with an army 1/2 the size of the one we had during the Iraq war.

What a defeatist attitude. Sad. Glad that unlike '21 though '24 we have bold and smart leaders that don't agree.
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In reply to Johnny Bear • 9:55a, 4/9/26
Johnny Bear said:
Realitybites said:
J.R. said:
Ok, let's cut through all the Trumpy Admin's lies and BS relative to his war of choice and see where we are:

1) No Nuclear Weapons. They are already back enriching- Strike 1

2) Regime Change-Strike 2

3) Wipe out Ballistic Capabilities. They still have half of their missiles and a chit ton of drones. Strike 3

That would be 0-3 for yall scoring at home. What a disaster.

oh, and the worse swing and a miss. Straight of Hourmuz shut down again. Viva la Donnie!

Face it. Sure Piggy destroyed some stuff, but make NO mistake we a losing by every metric. Sad but true.

This is a war we cannot win. Which is why every previous president did not go racing into it.

Even with ground forces, we cannot effect regime change in a civilizational state 6x as large as Iraq with 4x the population with an army 1/2 the size of the one we had during the Iraq war.

What a defeatist attitude. Sad. Glad that unlike '21 though '24 we have bold and smart leaders that don't agree.


Defeatist attitude?

No. An attitude born of wearing the ACUs of that Army that was 2x as large as this one for 8 years.
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In reply to Realitybites • 10:00a, 4/9/26
Realitybites said:
Johnny Bear said:
Realitybites said:
J.R. said:
Ok, let's cut through all the Trumpy Admin's lies and BS relative to his war of choice and see where we are:

1) No Nuclear Weapons. They are already back enriching- Strike 1

2) Regime Change-Strike 2

3) Wipe out Ballistic Capabilities. They still have half of their missiles and a chit ton of drones. Strike 3

That would be 0-3 for yall scoring at home. What a disaster.

oh, and the worse swing and a miss. Straight of Hourmuz shut down again. Viva la Donnie!

Face it. Sure Piggy destroyed some stuff, but make NO mistake we a losing by every metric. Sad but true.

This is a war we cannot win. Which is why every previous president did not go racing into it.

Even with ground forces, we cannot effect regime change in a civilizational state 6x as large as Iraq with 4x the population with an army 1/2 the size of the one we had during the Iraq war.

What a defeatist attitude. Sad. Glad that unlike '21 though '24 we have bold and smart leaders that don't agree.


Defeatist attitude?

No. An attitude born of wearing the ACUs of that Army that was 2x as large as this one for 8 years.


For every Dan Crenshaw there seems to be 20 GWOT veterans who oppose foreign entanglements in the Middle East... and thank god for that! You guys are going to be the ones steering this country a decade from now once the Boomers finally die off!
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