🇹🇷 Turkish President Erdogan threatens Israel

"If Israel doesn't stop playing with fire and creates hurdles for peace process in the region, we will make sure Israel learns a good lesson. Any attack on Lebanon and Iran now will be considered an attack on Turkey" pic.twitter.com/sMbMiaRkmG

— Mossad Commentary (@MOSSADil) April 12, 2026

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

JD Vance: Iran said, 'We refuse to give up the right to enrichment.' And I thought to myself, you know what, my wife has the right to skydive, but she doesn't jump out of an airplane. Because she and I have an agreement that she's not going to do that, because I don't want my… pic.twitter.com/8psSTZC0uf

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) April 12, 2026

NEW: An urgent phone call from Saudi Crown Prince MBS changed Trump’s decision at the last minute:

President Trump had intended to declare a complete ceasefire and end the fighting against Iran in exchange for the immediate opening of the Strait of Hormuz.

However, a tense… pic.twitter.com/Vi2YGpOWON

— Iscah 𓂆 יסכה 🪬 (@jess_ih_ka) April 12, 2026

JUST IN: U.S. military announces the deployment of "underwater drones" to clear mines in the Strait of Hormuz.

— Polymarket (@Polymarket) April 12, 2026

🔴 Turkey’s president accused Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, of being “blinded by blood and hate” and said there was “no reason” not to attack

🔗: https://t.co/Uk2iiI6vKz pic.twitter.com/2WlXj0IA7Z

— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) April 12, 2026

CAPTAIN FANELL: Trump’s plan is a full blockade. Cut off Iran’s oil, choke their cash flow, no need to bomb infrastructure. They don’t have the navy or air force to stop it. This is a chokehold. And during the pause, we’ve gathered fresh intel and new targets. That’s what’s… pic.twitter.com/o5R1GpwPpT

— Bannon’s WarRoom (@Bannons_WarRoom) April 12, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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🇹🇷 Turkish President Erdogan threatens Israel

"If Israel doesn't stop playing with fire and creates hurdles for peace process in the region, we will make sure Israel learns a good lesson. Any attack on Lebanon and Iran now will be considered an attack on Turkey" pic.twitter.com/sMbMiaRkmG

— Mossad Commentary (@MOSSADil) April 12, 2026

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Turkey has the second largest military in NATO...and our nukes at Incirlik.

Anyway, it looks like Netanyahu's Jihad will resume in the morning at 10 AM EST.

Summary

• CENTCOM confirms blockade to begin at 1000ET Monday morning and will only impact Iran-related vessels
• President Trump begins blockading Strait of Hormuz, warns US military will "finish up the little that is left of Iran"
• Door for diplomacy remains open, WSJ reports: Regional countries are racing to bring the U.S. and Iran back to the negotiating table after marathon peace talks in Islamabad ended without a deal
• The US delegation in Islamabad delivered the following six "red lines" to Iran: 1) End all uranium enrichment; 2) Dismantle all major nuclear enrichment facilities; 3) Retrieve highly enriched uranium; 4) Accept a broader peace, security and de-escalation framework that includes regional allies; 5) End funding for terrorist proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis; 6) Fully open the Strait of Hormuz, charging no tolls for passage
• 2 Supertankers U-turn after peace deal talks fail
• UAE Oil Chief warns Iran blocking Hormuz is "a direct threat to the energy, food and health security of every nation"

Oil is back above $100 and everything is red. Hope nobody got caught in the dead cat bounce.

🇺🇸 🇮🇱 Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, on Israel:

"I don’t care what some imbeciles on a college campus say.

I don’t care what liars in the media say.

I don’t care what the United Nations say.

We stand with Israel! The U.S will have their back!" pic.twitter.com/UI45ilp0hZ

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) April 12, 2026

FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

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They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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🇺🇸 🇮🇱 Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, on Israel:

"I don’t care what some imbeciles on a college campus say.

I don’t care what liars in the media say.

I don’t care what the United Nations say.

We stand with Israel! The U.S will have their back!" pic.twitter.com/UI45ilp0hZ

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) April 12, 2026

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Not sure if it matters, but this is from a couple years ago.

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If we are in the business of over throwing governments, why arent we helping the Irish people overthrow their Globalist EU government right now?

Looks like the Irish are going full Braveheart mode right now. Godspeed.pic.twitter.com/OVcXHm2ATB

— RAW EGG NATIONALIST (@Babygravy9) April 11, 2026

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Porteroso, what would be an appropriate response to this post? I know that "******ed" is no longer an acceptable description.

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We now say regarded.

not sure if this is just fear porn

Within 10 days, parts of the global economy will start running short of critical goods
After 30 years studying economic sanctions and blockades, I don’t say this lightly:
--Not just higher prices
--Shortages.
Markets are not ready for this

— Robert A. Pape (@ProfessorPape) April 13, 2026

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Coulter: I am not a pansy when it comes to war but his was an unprovoked attack. And we are killing little girls. We are associated with an ally that is just wiping the crap out of civilians. pic.twitter.com/kKXzpo6LIf

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 12, 2026

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An elementary school on a military base and civilians with hezbollah emplacements in or next door.

The propaganda of the far leftists has been working on people who know better. What's in it for them? Clicks are more important.
This insanity du jour will kill any chance of this country getting anywhere back to common sense.

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Did you just call Ann Coulter a "far leftist"?

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So apparently Trump is now picking a fight with the Pope. That President of ours is a class act I tell ya! He just keeps finding new and creative ways to make us proud.

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I personally don't know if that would be a wise thing to do

But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

PS

Before the 20th century and large scale Catholic immigration changed the American electorate and the need to ally with the Papacy against communism in Europe…you won't find many American WASP Presidents saying very positive things about "Papism" and the man in Rome leading the religion.

[Roosevelt famously referred to a failed 1910 meeting with Pope Pius X as "An elegant row"….Roosevelt refused to comply with the Pope's demand that he not visit Methodist missionaries in Rome while in the city.]

Not a small number of DC elites and Republican-northern politicians though the Pope at the time had been involved in the assassination of Lincoln.

Anti-Catholic campaign year red meat used to be an American staple…and something many candidates felt compelled to play along with to one degree or another.

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Coulter: I am not a pansy when it comes to war but his was an unprovoked attack. And we are killing little girls. We are associated with an ally that is just wiping the crap out of civilians. pic.twitter.com/kKXzpo6LIf

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 12, 2026

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An elementary school on a military base and civilians with hezbollah emplacements in or next door.

The propaganda of the far leftists has been working on people who know better. What's in it for them? Clicks are more important.
This insanity du jour will kill any chance of this country getting anywhere back to common sense.

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Did you just call Ann Coulter a "far leftist"?

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Try reading again.
Influenced by leftist propaganda.

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Coulter: I am not a pansy when it comes to war but his was an unprovoked attack. And we are killing little girls. We are associated with an ally that is just wiping the crap out of civilians. pic.twitter.com/kKXzpo6LIf

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 12, 2026

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An elementary school on a military base and civilians with hezbollah emplacements in or next door.

The propaganda of the far leftists has been working on people who know better. What's in it for them? Clicks are more important.
This insanity du jour will kill any chance of this country getting anywhere back to common sense.

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Did you just call Ann Coulter a "far leftist"?

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and Megan Kelly and El Tuckerito!

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But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

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I think I've made my feelings about the RCC and the current and previous pope quite clear.

But I say things on here that I would never say out loud if I was president, because managing a country requires discretion in what you say, when you say it, and how you say it.

When the Pope is taking fire from a team of lower ranked enlisted led by a 2nd Lt, a General shouldn't pick up a gun.

{ sipping war covfefe }

{ eating war donut }

- el UF

WAR!

FLBear5630 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

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They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

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They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

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We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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So apparently Trump is now picking a fight with the Pope. That President of ours is a class act I tell ya! He just keeps finding new and creative ways to make us proud.

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I personally don't know if that would be a wise thing to do

But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

PS

Before the 20th century and large scale Catholic immigration changed the American electorate and the need to ally with the Papacy against communism in Europe…you won't find many American WASP Presidents saying very positive things about "Papism" and the man in Rome leading the religion.

[Roosevelt famously referred to a failed 1910 meeting with Pope Pius X as "An elegant row"….Roosevelt refused to comply with the Pope's demand that he not visit Methodist missionaries in Rome while in the city.]

Not a small number of DC elites and Republican-northern politicians though the Pope at the time has been involved in the assassination of Lincoln.

Anti-Catholic campaign year red meat used to be an American staple…and something many candidates felt compelled to play along with to one degree or another

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Do you remember the Dick VanDyke show? In the opening (the early episodes), Dick walks into the room and trips over the ottoman. They cut a second opening at some point where Dick sidesteps the ottoman.

Trump has not learned how to sidestep ottomans. This president continues to get into skirmishes that ride way below the office he holds.

This is also why Trump will never get into Heaven. If Trump were allowed into Heaven, he'd cause division and create chaos. He'd try to replace God. God don't need that *****

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Exactly.

Crude Iil is organic. Nature will recover.

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In 30 to 100 years. That is a great strategy... Much better than not drilling in those locations.

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Art of the Deal Baby! The Bearded Wonder and our very own Jewish Cabal with a SWING AND A MISS! Well, Gold Jesus, guess them damn rag heads have a card to play. This done got comical. Viva la Donnie!

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Trump is fighting the wrong war. He keeps saying Iran has lost, he doesn't seem to get that his definition of losing is different than theirs. Iran is fighting not to lose. We can keep bombing, but at what point are you not bombing anything of value or just causes misery for the civilian population? We close the Straits? I don't think that will have the effect Donald thinks.

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It looks a lot worse when you see it in a graph:

🤦‍♂️ pic.twitter.com/ds8WPNruXE

— QE Infinity (@StealthQE4) April 10, 2026

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From 120+ ships per day to single digits. With it without graphics it's a huge drop: over 90%.

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The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

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Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.

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I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

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I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?

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Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

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When was oil supposed to run out?

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Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

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Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.

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So you would rather run out then see an oil derrick off shore?

You would rather run out than get it from places that don't impact you?

I'd rather have oil.

I don't mind the oil derricks when I am at the beach. It actually provided interesting views. You can watch the ships that go to them, see their lights or when there are storms coming realize it because the lights can't be seen.

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Anyone remember Deepwater Horizon?

The population of Grand Isle, Louisiana is about a thousand people.

The population of the Clearwater-Tampa-Saint Pete is 3.4 million, and any incident is going to see oil entering Tampa Bay through its inlets, not just washing up on the barrier islands.

I don't want to see oil rigs off Clearwater Beach any more than I want to live next to a nuclear reactor.

The real question is what do we do about complete reliance on an energy source, a significant portion of which is halfway around the world under hostile sands.

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The U.S. produced more oil than anyone else today and we get almost none from the Middle East.

"Drill, baby, drill!"