President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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whiterock
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here we see another indication of factional infighting within the regime.....

FLBear5630
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What you are missing is basic human behavior, no one wants to deal from a position of being told you have no choice. So, they will look for situations where they are not subject to " you will do what I want or else..." diplomacy. Will they freeze us out? No. Will they look for deals that do not include us? Damn right.

You keep bringing up logic and having no choice, since when are humans logical?

Trump is cashing all the credit and good faith we have built over 80 years. It is a shame, especially if it because he is compromised.
D. C. Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:



He's making a lot of sense. No wonder he had to quit.


He thinks the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, or something along those lines. He might have been fine if nothing happened on his watch, but he probably shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

There's no such thing as "The Jews."


If it makes you feel better, substitute "the Jewish state" for "the Jews." He's a bit off his rocker.
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D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:



He's making a lot of sense. No wonder he had to quit.


He thinks the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, or something along those lines. He might have been fine if nothing happened on his watch, but he probably shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

There's no such thing as "The Jews."


If it makes you feel better, substitute "the Jewish state" for "the Jews." He's a bit off his rocker.

And some people think Covid came from a lab leak. I have no opinion on either topic, but there are plenty of people with plenty of conspiracy theories out there. It doesn't change the truth of what he's saying.
D. C. Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:



He's making a lot of sense. No wonder he had to quit.


He thinks the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, or something along those lines. He might have been fine if nothing happened on his watch, but he probably shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

There's no such thing as "The Jews."


If it makes you feel better, substitute "the Jewish state" for "the Jews." He's a bit off his rocker.

And some people think Covid came from a lab leak. I have no opinion on either topic, but there are plenty of people with plenty of conspiracy theories out there. It doesn't change the truth of what he's saying.


It changes his credibility, and not in a good way.
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J.R.
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FLBear5630 said:

Anyone not MAGA believe him? Or is Donald Jr going long on oil?

damn right he's long. Put on the position prior to his announcement that we struck an Iranian ship and Iran closed the strait. Great when a plan comes together! the was short last week. Trust me, I mirror those trades. Went long Friday night. Thanks Donnie. You are making this like taking money from a baby. Been TACOing for the last year. So predictable. Easy money.
J.R.
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Sam Lowry said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

It really sucks that we have people on here to want all of this to go to **** just to say "I tOLd yOu sO" on an anonymous forum

You might not know this, but being right about our country's military misadventures really isn't that much fun. Besides suffering the same national humiliations, economic setbacks, and escalation risks that the rest of you folks do, we invariably end up getting blamed for the very consequences that we predicted. As we are already beginning to see with posts like the above.

spot on. Dealing with the MAGA Lowest Common Denominator is frustrating. But, keep on fellas. Viva la Donnie!
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Porteroso said:

Oldbear83 said:

No, Sam.

Trump is sometimes wrong in his choice of words and his ego.

You and Porteroso, you are always wrong in your hatred of the United States and our interests.

You are not fooling anyone.

You are a dumb old bear. Everyone who disagrees with you hates America. Or..... B-b-bbbut Obama! You are incapable of interacting in a meaningful way about politics.

You are clearly here to echo around with yourself and likeminded zealots, and it's just sad to see someone so insecure that instead of using the internet for learning or keeping up, you use it to reinforce your opinions as is. When people agree, they are great Americans. When they don't, evil America haters.

I feel bad for you.

exactly, sad, but true. Echo
BearFan33
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Porteroso said:

BearFan33 said:

We cornered Iran. It must be the end of the world right?

We cornered them but there is no way we go into their corner. And they have been cornered the whole time, since millenia ago. Not like we had to go hunting for the country.

For all the rhetoric, little has been accomplished that serves America. Huge blow to their ballistic missile program, top brass, but their missiles don't reach the USA, do they? So far, Israel, Europe, and the Middle East have benefitted directly, not America.

Of course, those benefits may yet be leveraged. I am sure Trump is selling our military in any way he can.

Remains to be seen if we can accomplish the big 2 things that would directly benefit us, and many would agree, are worth going to war for: regime change, and the removal of Iran as a nuclear threat.

I think the reason America is not behind this war, is because we have seen this movie before, and leaving lasting change behind is nearly impossible over there. If Trump accomplishes one of those 2 things, it will be an incredible feat. Anything less will be total failure and a massive new debt to our children, both in dollars and wasted political capital.


They haven't been cornered like this. But you are right. I don't think we go in unless invited, like to remove the uranium.
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:



He's making a lot of sense. No wonder he had to quit.


He thinks the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, or something along those lines. He might have been fine if nothing happened on his watch, but he probably shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

There's no such thing as "The Jews."

Oh really?
Oldbear83
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J.R. said:

Porteroso said:

Oldbear83 said:

No, Sam.

Trump is sometimes wrong in his choice of words and his ego.

You and Porteroso, you are always wrong in your hatred of the United States and our interests.

You are not fooling anyone.

You are a dumb old bear. Everyone who disagrees with you hates America. Or..... B-b-bbbut Obama! You are incapable of interacting in a meaningful way about politics.

You are clearly here to echo around with yourself and likeminded zealots, and it's just sad to see someone so insecure that instead of using the internet for learning or keeping up, you use it to reinforce your opinions as is. When people agree, they are great Americans. When they don't, evil America haters.

I feel bad for you.

exactly, sad, but true. Echo

As we all know by now, JR is the litmus for accuracy. That is, if he is against you, you're right.
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D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:



He's making a lot of sense. No wonder he had to quit.


He thinks the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, or something along those lines. He might have been fine if nothing happened on his watch, but he probably shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

There's no such thing as "The Jews."


If it makes you feel better, substitute "the Jewish state" for "the Jews." He's a bit off his rocker.

And some people think Covid came from a lab leak. I have no opinion on either topic, but there are plenty of people with plenty of conspiracy theories out there. It doesn't change the truth of what he's saying.


It changes his credibility, and not in a good way.
You've always had an extreme bias against anything that could be characterized as a conspiracy theory. I'm hearing wackier stuff from the Trump administration daily, so this doesn't begin to tip the scales.
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whiterock said:

boognish_bear said:



this portion of the IDF tweet is worth highlighting:

"The IDF views the incident with great severity and emphasizes that the soldier's conduct is wholly inconsistent with the values expected of its troops.

The incident is being investigated by the Northern Command and is currently being addressed through the chain of command. Appropriate measures will be taken against those involved in accordance with the findings.

Furthermore, the IDF is working to assist the community in restoring the statue to its place."


Soldiers in every army does stuff they shouldn't. How command reacts to it is what matters.


I would be very interested in checking back later and seeing if they bring this scum bag to justice

Kicked out of the IDF after some time in the stockade would be a minimum

This is a good time for Israel to prove it's different from many of the other players in the region.

Let's see if they do more than a slap on the wrist
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



It is Sunday, negotiations. Let's watch oil and the DOW react. Someone is making a fortune on this ***** It will keep going until it is investigated. There was another 800 million short on Friday.


It would really be sad if it was an Iran proxy. Even sadder if it was a friend of a friend of a federal official.
J.R.
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Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

Porteroso said:

Oldbear83 said:

No, Sam.

Trump is sometimes wrong in his choice of words and his ego.

You and Porteroso, you are always wrong in your hatred of the United States and our interests.

You are not fooling anyone.

You are a dumb old bear. Everyone who disagrees with you hates America. Or..... B-b-bbbut Obama! You are incapable of interacting in a meaningful way about politics.

You are clearly here to echo around with yourself and likeminded zealots, and it's just sad to see someone so insecure that instead of using the internet for learning or keeping up, you use it to reinforce your opinions as is. When people agree, they are great Americans. When they don't, evil America haters.

I feel bad for you.

exactly, sad, but true. Echo

As we all know by now, JR is the litmus for accuracy. That is, if he is against you, you're right.

dude. you have gotten away bitter. Relax and chill Donnie.
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Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

boognish_bear said:



this portion of the IDF tweet is worth highlighting:

"The IDF views the incident with great severity and emphasizes that the soldier's conduct is wholly inconsistent with the values expected of its troops.

The incident is being investigated by the Northern Command and is currently being addressed through the chain of command. Appropriate measures will be taken against those involved in accordance with the findings.

Furthermore, the IDF is working to assist the community in restoring the statue to its place."


Soldiers in every army does stuff they shouldn't. How command reacts to it is what matters.


I would be very interested in checking back later and seeing if they bring this scum bag to justice

Kicked out of the IDF after some time in the stockade would be a minimum

This is a good time for Israel to prove it's different from many of the other players in the region.

Let's see if they do more than a slap on the wrist


It will be "thoroughly investigated" by a chain of command that has no regard for Christ.
FLBear5630
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Scary thing, it us being investigated. Will it be squashed by the Executive Branch? This is why Fed and financial agencies have to be separate from Exec Oversight. You trust Patel to go after anyone connected to Trump?
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Well, congrats for being in position to take advantage. Most Americans are not liquid enough or sava enough to take advantage. This is the most corrupt Admin I have ever seen. And no one cares...
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FLBear5630 said:

What you are missing is basic human behavior, no one wants to deal from a position of being told you have no choice. So, they will look for situations where they are not subject to " you will do what I want or else..." diplomacy. Will they freeze us out? No. Will they look for deals that do not include us? Damn right.

You keep bringing up logic and having no choice, since when are humans logical?

Trump is cashing all the credit and good faith we have built over 80 years. It is a shame, especially if it because he is compromised.

Leftist virtue posturing. Basic human behavior is to respect power.
Trump is building a new world order that will outlive both of us.


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Mitch Blood Green
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

What you are missing is basic human behavior, no one wants to deal from a position of being told you have no choice. So, they will look for situations where they are not subject to " you will do what I want or else..." diplomacy. Will they freeze us out? No. Will they look for deals that do not include us? Damn right.

You keep bringing up logic and having no choice, since when are humans logical?

Trump is cashing all the credit and good faith we have built over 80 years. It is a shame, especially if it because he is compromised.

Leftist virtue posturing. Basic human behavior is to respect power.
Trump is building a new world order that will outlive both of us.





That's 100% not true. Disrespect of power is chapter one of the American story.
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J.R. said:

FLBear5630 said:

Anyone not MAGA believe him? Or is Donald Jr going long on oil?

damn right he's long. Put on the position prior to his announcement that we struck an Iranian ship and Iran closed the strait. Great when a plan comes together! the was short last week. Trust me, I mirror those trades. Went long Friday night. Thanks Donnie. You are making this like taking money from a baby. Been TACOing for the last year. So predictable. Easy money.



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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

What you are missing is basic human behavior, no one wants to deal from a position of being told you have no choice. So, they will look for situations where they are not subject to " you will do what I want or else..." diplomacy. Will they freeze us out? No. Will they look for deals that do not include us? Damn right.

You keep bringing up logic and having no choice, since when are humans logical?

Trump is cashing all the credit and good faith we have built over 80 years. It is a shame, especially if it because he is compromised.

Leftist virtue posturing. Basic human behavior is to respect power.
Trump is building a new world order that will outlive both of us.




Very "Radical Behaviorism" of you...

Really, how many "power based" societies or diplomacy have survived? It is a short term solution. Besides some backwaters where no one really cares, maybe it makes it through the life of the primary dictator.

A "new world order that will outlive both of us"? Maybe a 1000 years...
whiterock
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

What you are missing is basic human behavior, no one wants to deal from a position of being told you have no choice. So, they will look for situations where they are not subject to " you will do what I want or else..." diplomacy. Will they freeze us out? No. Will they look for deals that do not include us? Damn right.

You keep bringing up logic and having no choice, since when are humans logical?

Trump is cashing all the credit and good faith we have built over 80 years. It is a shame, especially if it because he is compromised.

Leftist virtue posturing. Basic human behavior is to respect power.
Trump is building a new world order that will outlive both of us.




Very "Radical Behaviorism" of you...

Really, how many "power based" societies or diplomacy have survived? It is a short term solution. Besides some backwaters where no one really cares, maybe it makes it through the life of the primary dictator.

A "new world order that will outlive both of us"? Maybe a 1000 years...

Yeah, it will outlast us.

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Great. That is a business agreement that will be in place for a term, whether it is Trump, Obama or whoever. Like Subic Base, it was an agreement, until it wasn't.

You see no areas of concern? Look at the position of the dollar and what is going on, then look at who is calling the shots - Bessent.

Then look at the British Pound. You see no similarities?

I think you are being played.
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one person's opinion...good take on Europe's behavior so far.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gordon-sondland-stay-course-iran-president-trump-breaking-horse

Getting Iran to capitulate is like breaking a wild horse. Anyone who's done it or even watched it done knows how this goes. Calm one minute, violent the next. You get a step forward, then you lose half of it back. The horse is testing you your patience, your resolve, your willingness to stay in the saddle when it tries to throw you.
That's Iran.
And here's the part the foreign policy commentariat still doesn't get: Donald Trump actually understands this dynamic.

Not from theory. From instinct.
Iran is not a normal negotiating partner. It's not even a unified one. Power is fragmented across clerics, politicians, intelligence services and, most importantly, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a state within a state that answers to ideology, money and survival.

And inside that system are hard-liners who don't want a deal period. These are people who would rather burn down the house than give up their nuclear potential, their offshore wealth and their grip on power. For them, compromise isn't a concession. It's extinction.

So when I hear the usual noise why the mixed signals, why the tough talk one day and restraint the next I have to laugh. That critique assumes we're dealing with rational, Western-style negotiators who respond to consistency and good-faith process.
We're not.
We're dealing with a regime that has spent 45 years perfecting delay, deception and division. Show them a straight line and they'll run circles around it. Telegraph your endgame and they'll stall you to death.
What Trump is doing whether people like his style or not is exactly what this situation demands: pressure, pause, pressure again. Open a door, then make it very clear what happens if they try to game it. Keep them off balance. Keep them guessing.
That's not chaos. That's leverage.
And here's where the leverage really comes from and it's something most analysts either miss or are too uncomfortable to say out loud.
The leverage is the overwhelming military capability that's been assembled and the very clear willingness to use it if the horse needs a severe correction.

Not as bluster. Not as background noise. As a credible, ever-present option.
Tehran understands that when push comes to shove, this isn't an academic exercise. The same apparatus that can impose sanctions can also impose consequences rapidly and decisively against leadership targets, command structures and critical infrastructure if the regime crosses the line or continues to play rope-a-dope.

That reality changes behavior.
It forces calculations inside a regime that has historically believed it could outlast, outmaneuver or simply exhaust Western resolve. It introduces doubt where there used to be confidence. It sharpens the internal debate between those who want to test limits and those who understand the cost of getting it wrong.
This is, at its core, a test of wills and power, carried out to its logical conclusion.


Most leaders don't understand that. They look for an off-ramp too early. They prioritize optics over outcomes. They confuse activity with achievement.
Trump doesn't.

He understands that if you ease off before the dynamic shifts, you don't get a better deal you get played. He understands that credibility isn't built on statements; it's built on a demonstrated willingness to act. And he understands that regimes like Iran only recalibrate when the alternative becomes unacceptable.
That's what's happening now.
And yes, it makes people uneasy.
Turn on the TV and it's a minute-by-minute panic cycle. Gas prices tick up breaking news. Some leak hits the wires six hours of speculation. Who said what at 9 a.m. versus 3 p.m. treated like it's dispositive.

It's noise.
This is not a daily trading strategy. This is a generational geopolitical play.
The upside, if we get this right, is enormous. A truly non-nuclear Iran changes the entire equation in the Middle East. It removes the single biggest destabilizing force in the region.

Imagine a world where Iran is not shooting at Israel, not funding proxy militias across multiple theaters and not sitting on the threshold of a nuclear weapon. Even if the regime remains clerical, its ability to wreak havoc is dramatically reduced.
That opens the door to something real trade, investment, normalization. Stronger economic ties between Israel, the Gulf states, the United States and beyond. Capital flows instead of capital flight. Stability instead of constant brinkmanship.

That's what's on the table.
Now look at Europe.
The Europeans, predictably, want to make the campaign contribution after the candidate has already won the election. They'll criticize the tone, question the tactics and keep one foot in and one foot out until the outcome is clear.
Then they'll show up and declare themselves indispensable.

We've seen this movie before.

The reality is that without sustained American pressure economic and military there is no deal worth having. None. Iran has no incentive to move unless it believes the alternative is materially worse.
That's what Trump has restored: credibility.

And credibility is everything in this kind of negotiation.
What's required now is discipline. Not second-guessing every tactical move. Not flinching every time there's volatility. Certainly not pulling back just because the process looks messy.
Of course it's messy. It's supposed to be.

Breaking a horse is messy. Push too hard and you get thrown. Ease off too soon and you lose control. The key is staying on long enough for the dynamic to change.
That's what's happening here.
The pressure is real. Iran's economy is under strain. Its currency has taken repeated hits. Public dissatisfaction is not theoretical it's visible. And inside the regime, the debate over how far they can push and how much they can take is intensifying.

That's progress.
Not a signing ceremony. Not a neat press release. Pressure.
So let's take a breath.

Stop obsessing over hourly gas prices. Stop parsing every headline like it's the final chapter. This is a long game, and it's being played at a level that requires patience and nerve.

The stakes are enormous. A neutered, non-nuclear Iran removes the last major obstacle to a more stable, more prosperous Middle East one where trade, not terror, defines its relationships.

You don't get there with process. You get there with pressure.
And for all the noise, that's exactly what Trump is delivering.

He's staying in the saddle.
And that's how you break the horse.
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

What you are missing is basic human behavior, no one wants to deal from a position of being told you have no choice. So, they will look for situations where they are not subject to " you will do what I want or else..." diplomacy. Will they freeze us out? No. Will they look for deals that do not include us? Damn right.

You keep bringing up logic and having no choice, since when are humans logical?

Trump is cashing all the credit and good faith we have built over 80 years. It is a shame, especially if it because he is compromised.

Leftist virtue posturing. Basic human behavior is to respect power.
Trump is building a new world order that will outlive both of us.




Very "Radical Behaviorism" of you...

Really, how many "power based" societies or diplomacy have survived? It is a short term solution. Besides some backwaters where no one really cares, maybe it makes it through the life of the primary dictator.

A "new world order that will outlive both of us"? Maybe a 1000 years...


All societies that have survived are "power based."
Danielsjackson114
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Then when Trump makes concessions, your group will just call him "tAcO"

Pls shut the **** up already. You are insufferable. You don't know what is happening or what will happen.
J.R.
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Danielsjackson114 said:

Then when Trump makes concessions, your group will just call him "tAcO"

Pls shut the **** up already. You are insufferable. You don't know what is happening or what will happen.

well, I made 5% in 10secs just then on said TACO. Viva la Donnie young boy!
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Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

boognish_bear said:



this portion of the IDF tweet is worth highlighting:

"The IDF views the incident with great severity and emphasizes that the soldier's conduct is wholly inconsistent with the values expected of its troops.

The incident is being investigated by the Northern Command and is currently being addressed through the chain of command. Appropriate measures will be taken against those involved in accordance with the findings.

Furthermore, the IDF is working to assist the community in restoring the statue to its place."


Soldiers in every army does stuff they shouldn't. How command reacts to it is what matters.


I would be very interested in checking back later and seeing if they bring this scum bag to justice

Kicked out of the IDF after some time in the stockade would be a minimum

This is a good time for Israel to prove it's different from many of the other players in the region.

Let's see if they do more than a slap on the wrist

But for the video, he'd not be punished. There's a reason why journalists are being slaughtered without prosecution in war zones.
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