President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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FLBear5630
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I would agree with you if, the other stuff Trump did this year did not happen.

The way he did tariffs
Blowing up boats on the high seas
His threats to leave NATO and only stay on a transactional basis
His threats to take Denmark

Why? Because we are no longer trustworthy. If UAE continues to use Petro-dollars will we turn on them the first time they disagree with Trump? You think all this happens in an vacuum, it doesn't people and Nations remember. We can't keep insulting our former allies and put them on a transactional basis AND then get the results you are talking about.

China has already gotten more contracts and formed better relations because of how we are doing things.
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FLBear5630 said:

I would agree with you if, the other stuff Trump did this year did not happen.

The way he did tariffs
Blowing up boats on the high seas
His threats to leave NATO and only stay on a transactional basis
His threats to take Denmark

Why? Because we are no longer trustworthy. If UAE continues to use Petro-dollars will we turn on them the first time they disagree with Trump? You think all this happens in an vacuum, it doesn't people and Nations remember. We can't keep insulting our former allies and put them on a transactional basis AND then get the results you are talking about.

China has already gotten more contracts and formed better relations because of how we are doing things.

I am sure you meant Greenland instead of Denmark.
And European NATO needs to be up to speed on their defense ability. It is insane that France and Great Britain are so militarily impotent 80 years after WW2. They should be back to self sufficient with the US as a very powerful back up ally. Trustworthiness is a two way street. Leaving NATO and staying while lessening our presence in nations that should be able to defend themselves is not the same thing.

Who thinks we are untrustworthy because we are taking out drug running speed boats?
FLBear5630
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I agree with your points. My point, which most on here ignores, is how he does it. He pushed the envelope in his first term, but within limits. He still tried to work things out with allies. This time he is over the top and it negatively impacting the US.



I would like the news stories of the worlds reactions to blowing up boats in international waters but it would be considered written by leftist, fake news, or they are choosing cartels. All non-sense, but that is how MAGA thinks. If China did it or Iran did it we would go ape *****





Greenland is part of Denmark, but it was a poor excuse for a joke. Some miss, oh well.
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cowboycwr said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.
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Iran (more specifically the IRGC) spent decades building black market economic structures to evade sanctions. They've used bonyads to evade banking restrictions and elaborate smuggling networks for supplies. In an ironic twist of fate, our sanction regimes may have bolstered their survivability of the blockade.
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cowboycwr said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.


This also applies to the oil production/storage capacity of the other gulf countries as well.

We are running an indian ocean "blockade" to intercept Iranian tankers.

The Iranians still have control of the strait and are preventing the exit of tankers who don't pay their toll.

Marine traffic today still shows the same cluster of vessels on either side.
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Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.

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Oldbear83 said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.


Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.
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ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.



Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.

So you are comparing the US effort to Operation Barbarossa?
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FLBear5630 said:

I would agree with you if, the other stuff Trump did this year did not happen.

The way he did tariffs
As he should have. It's already paying off. We can see and document the production returning.
Blowing up boats on the high seas
As he should have. No reason to give drug cartels a pass just because they can afford ocean going vessels.
His threats to leave NATO and only stay on a transactional basis
We should be threatening to leave, given the generational unwillingness of European allies to fund substantive militaries to actually BE an ally.
His threats to take Denmark...
It improved our position in Greenland, the single most important piece of foreign soil to us which has been horribly mismanaged by Denmark.

Why? Because we are no longer trustworthy. If UAE continues to use Petro-dollars will we turn on them the first time they disagree with Trump?
What ally have we turned on?
What ally have we ACTUALLY harmed?
(answer: None).
You think all this happens in an vacuum, it doesn't people and Nations remember. We can't keep insulting our former allies and put them on a transactional basis AND then get the results you are talking about.
Again we see you insisting that rhetoric is all that matters. You are quite wrong about that.

China has already gotten more contracts and formed better relations because of how we are doing things.
Uh, no. China is getting is ass kicked. (See below).

Your arguments are getting increasingly irrational.

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Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.



Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.

So you are comparing the US effort to Operation Barbarossa?
Good grief you are a dolt.
Oldbear83
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ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.



Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.

So you are comparing the US effort to Operation Barbarossa?

Good grief you are a dolt.

Of course not. You are the one comparing the situation to Stalin.

If there was an Iranian counterpart to Stalin, he went off to Allah several weeks ago.

But your habit of name-calling is telling.
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Why? You are stuck defending strategies from fighting wars of the past.
ATL Bear is telling you why that logic will not work with Iran. The people you are believing are fighting using past war strategies that resulted in forever wars. We are on that path again. Look at Iraq.
Oldbear83
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" You are stuck defending strategies from fighting wars of the past."

No, that's Sam who thinks Bush's generals are running this one.

You're just angling for some reason to go after Trump. The idea that our military knows what they are doing, seems to stick in your craw.

Your problem, not mine.
FLBear5630
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Once again, what comes after the military is more problematic.
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FLBear5630 said:

Once again, what comes after the military is more problematic.

And, surprising as it must be to you, our guys are aware of the situation, the relevant dimensions, and have a plan ready. It's the Internet Keyboard Warriors like you who keep getting surprised by real world events.
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Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.



Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.

So you are comparing the US effort to Operation Barbarossa?

Good grief you are a dolt.

Of course not. You are the one comparing the situation to Stalin.

If there was an Iranian counterpart to Stalin, he went off to Allah several weeks ago.

But your habit of name-calling is telling.
You still don't get it, and I'm not interested in explaining it to you.
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Oldbear83 said:

" You are stuck defending strategies from fighting wars of the past."

No, that's Sam who thinks Bush's generals are running this one.

You're just angling for some reason to go after Trump. The idea that our military knows what they are doing, seems to stick in your craw.

Your problem, not mine.
Again, it's not that the same generals are running the war. The problem is the grand strategy, which long predates Trump.
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Dale.

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boognish_bear said:




"In a written statement…"
Weekend at Bernie's?
FLBear5630
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" You are stuck defending strategies from fighting wars of the past."

No, that's Sam who thinks Bush's generals are running this one.

You're just angling for some reason to go after Trump. The idea that our military knows what they are doing, seems to stick in your craw.

Your problem, not mine.

Again, it's not that the same generals are running the war. The problem is the grand strategy, which long predates Trump.

Not even the Generals. It is what comes next, the Generals will do what they are tasked.

It is the diplomatic part where we seem to have issues. For example, Iran is not Venezuela. We cannot leave the existing structure in place and just put a new head.

I am very curious what they do.
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Best article I have seen on Trump foreign policy, very comprehensive. Everything is connected to everything…. I see only one potential hole in his work - the Arab response to a weaker Iran. He predicted it would tighten them to USA. I am not so sure (over the long term).

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Whiterock,

Thank you in advance. Can you post a non-X link to the article? I am very interested in reading this. Thanks again, I appreciate it.
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FLBear5630 said:

Whiterock,

Thank you in advance. Can you post a non-X link to the article? I am very interested in reading this. Thanks again, I appreciate it.

The Wall Street Journal reported it in January as his favored level for consumer prices and inflation control. Analysts called it unrealistic.
OPEC producers viewed it as bluster. European capitals saw another example of transactional American unilateralism. Even domestic shale operators braced for pain while doubting execution. Oil prices then hovered well above that mark.
The notion that Washington could deliberately drive a structural global decline through targeted geopolitical pressure seemed more like campaign slogan than executable strategy.
The campaign unfolded in deliberate sequence across four theaters. Each move reinforced the others.

Venezuela supplied the new barrels.
Global maritime chokepoints provided the secure arteries.
The Arctic delivered long-term reserves and route alternatives.
Diplomatic leverage, including the Falklands, tightened the screws on reluctant partners.
Together they formed the operational core of the doctrine.
A fifth element crystallized today: the United Arab Emirates exit from OPEC and OPEC+.
The foundation rested on Venezuela.
In January 2026 United States forces removed Nicols Maduro and installed a cooperative interim authority. PDVSA, holder of the planet's largest proven reserves, came under effective American stewardship during the transition period. Sanctions relief followed rapidly through OFAC general licenses that authorized United States companies to market and refine Venezuelan crude, import diluent, and invest in rehabilitation.

Revenues flowed into United States-controlled Treasury accounts shielded by executive order from creditors and lawsuits. A revised Venezuelan hydrocarbon law dismantled the state monopoly and opened fields to private and foreign operators.
Trump publicly invited American majors to spend billions rebuilding infrastructure with the explicit understanding that initial output would benefit both nations. Early cargoes totaling tens of millions of barrels moved under United States direction. Production forecasts projected hundreds of thousands of additional barrels per day within the year and a potential climb toward two million barrels per day over the medium term.
This single action converted a former adversary asset into a Western Hemisphere supply valve calibrated to pressure global prices downward.
Secure transit proved equally critical.
The Strait of Hormuz, conduit for one-fifth of world oil, illustrated the logic. When the concurrent Iran conflict led to mining and threats of closure, United States naval forces imposed a blockade, conducted mine-clearing operations, and enforced shoot-to-kill orders against Iranian vessels. The strait was repeatedly declared open under American protection even during fragile cease-fires.
Similar vigilance extended to Bab el-Mandeb, where earlier Houthi disruptions had already drawn United States strikes and they are open now.
The Strait of Malacca received intensified surveillance and diplomatic pressure to limit Chinese influence In April 2025, the U.S. and Indonesia announced a Major Defense Cooperation Partnership (MDCP).
Panama Canal port contracts linked to Chinese entities forced out.
Suez remained under continuous monitoring.
These operations formed explicit insurance: Middle Eastern shocks could no longer indefinitely derail the supply glut engineered elsewhere. When Hormuz volatility pushed prices temporarily higher, Venezuelan openings accelerated precisely to offset the disruption. Control of the pipes protected the new taps.
UAE announcement completes the bypass architecture.
Becky Anderson
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The UAE is exiting OPEC and OPEC+ within days. UAE Energy Minister
@HESuhail
tells me "the timing is right." My conversation with him here in thread: (1/5)
0:00 / 2:07
On April 28 2026 the United Arab Emirates declared it will exit both OPEC and OPEC+ effective May 1. The move ends five decades of quota discipline for the cartel's third-largest producer. ADNOC will now pursue national production targets without group restraint. The strategic enabler is the HabshanFujairah pipeline, also known as the Abu Dhabi Crude Oil Pipeline. This 360-kilometer overland route connects inland fields directly to the Fujairah export terminal on the Gulf of Oman. With nameplate capacity of 1.5 to 1.8 million barrels per day, it operates entirely outside the Strait of Hormuz.
During the Iran conflict the pipeline has run near full capacity, allowing safe export of Murban crude to Asian buyers while strait-dependent producers remain paralyzed. The UAE holds roughly one million barrels per day of spare capacity and has invested billions to raise sustainable output toward five million barrels per day by the end of 2027.
Freed from quotas, Abu Dhabi can now ramp additional volume into a market already primed by Venezuelan barrels and United States naval insurance. This is the first genuine fracture in modern OPEC+ cohesion and delivers precisely the uncoordinated supply surge the $50 doctrine requires.
Arctic expansion added depth and durability.
Trump revived and intensified his longstanding interest in Greenland immediately after the Venezuela operation. Tariff threats against Denmark and select European allies in January 2026 produced a NATO framework agreement that expanded United States basing rights, blocked Russian and Chinese resource access, and granted American firms entry to oil, gas, and critical-mineral deposits.
United States Geological Survey estimates placed Greenland's offshore potential in the billions of barrels oil and even more potential natural gas. The GIUK Gap hardened into a barrier against the Russian Northern Fleet. Melting ice opened prospective Northern Sea Routes that could one day bypass traditional Asian chokepoints entirely.
While Venezuela delivered near-term volume, the Arctic secured the next decade of non-OPEC supply and the minerals required for energy infrastructure.
The move completed the encirclement of global energy economics.
Even secondary theaters received attention.

In April 25 a leaked Pentagon review floated withdrawal of United States support for British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands as leverage against London's limited cooperation during the Iran conflict.
Sky News
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Apr 24
BREAKING: Argentina has renewed its calls for negotiations with Britain over the Falklands Islands, after a leaked Pentagon memo suggested the U.S. could reassess its support for Britain's claim to the territory

https://trib.al/Rx0iR33

Argentine President Milei, aligned with Trump on ideological grounds, pressed diplomatic claims without military threat. The islands held notable offshore oil prospects.
The episode signaled that longstanding alliance arrangements would bend when they conflicted with United States energy priorities. It reminded partners that free-riding on security while prices remained elevated carried costs.
If the $50 oil target is reached through these sequenced actions, the strategic consequences for the Russia-China-Iran-North Korea axis become profound and asymmetric.
To see the big picture we need the analysis below that examines that conditional outcome on a country-by-country basis, tracing the direct transmission mechanisms from sustained lower prices to eroded regime capacity.
Russia would confront fiscal collapse.
Oil and gas revenues constitute roughly one-quarter of its federal budget and fund military operations, modernization, subsidies, and patronage. Budgets have been constructed around higher price assumptions. At sustained $50 levels, even with Urals discounts, realizations fall toward $40 or below for many fields.
Production declines accelerate. Deficits widen dramatically. Defense spending contracts. The National Wealth Fund depletes faster. Moscow's capacity to sustain external conflicts or subsidize partners evaporates.
Russia retains vast reserves but loses the revenue stream that underwrote its geopolitical relevance. It slides into the role of cash-starved supplier on Chinese terms, unable to project meaningful power.
China experiences a short-term economic lift followed by strategic erosion.
As the largest importer, Beijing benefits from lower import bills, reduced manufacturing costs, and eased inflationary pressure.
Strategic reserves provide a cushion. Yet the deeper ledger shifts against it. Discounted Iranian and Russian volumes that once formed a significant share of imports lose their pricing edge in a glutted market.
Belt and Road energy projects in those countries sour as partner revenues collapse.
The no-limits partnership with Russia frays because a broke Moscow cannot deliver reliable supply or military backing. Iranian proxy networks, starved of funding, cease to complicate Chinese sea lanes.
Dependence on seaborne imports exceeding 70% remains vulnerable to the very chokepoints now firmly under United States naval dominance.
Arctic and Western Hemisphere alternatives further marginalize Beijing's overland pipeline strategy.
China gains cheaper fuel today but forfeits the energy leverage it once cultivated to challenge the existing order.
Iran faces outright economic strangulation.
Oil sales previously generated the hard currency that sustained the regime, its nuclear program, missiles, regional proxies and internal security.
Post-conflict redirection of those flows into allied channels eliminates the revenue base.
Proxy funding withers.
Domestic unrest intensifies to an Inescapable regime change.
The ability to threaten Hormuz or mount asymmetric campaigns disappears.
What remains of Iranian output will simply be added to the global surplus under Western management. Tehran transitions from regional spoiler to isolated economic dependent until a new regime can be trusted.
North Korea, already marginal and reliant on smuggled fuel, finds itself further isolated and warming up to US oil it desperately needs.
A weakened axis cannot sustain meaningful support. Its nuclear posturing loses great-power cover. The resulting power map tilts decisively toward the United States-Israel-UAE axis unipolar hegemony.
Washington achieves genuine energy dominance: domestic production plus allied barrels, secure transit, and insulation from cartel or adversary blackmail.
Consumers and industry enjoy permanently lower costs, production jobs growth. Inflation remains contained. Sanctions regain potency without self-inflicted pain. Projection of power proceeds without energy-price blowback.
Israel gains breathing room as the Iranian threat that once bankrolled a ring of proxies collapses, another boost to GDP growth, stabilizing the middle east theater and stronger alliance with UAE.
Gulf states align more closely against a diminished Tehran.
The global South and Europe, long battered by volatility, gravitate toward the stable supply under American oversight.
The UAE exit from OPEC+ accelerates every element of this shift by injecting quota-free barrels through a Hormuz-proof route, UAE already built an economy without heavy reliance on oil gets a huge boost for GDP, establishing itself as dominant energy actor and a strategic ally to US and Israel.

This sequence leads directly to the central question:
Why expend such effort on a single price target?
The $50 goal was never merely about cheaper gasoline at home, though that will deliver immediate political dividends. It represent the ultimate instrument of 21st-century statecraft.
Energy remains the domain where military, economic, and diplomatic power converge most potently. By controlling both the taps and the pipes, the United States deprives its rivals of the single resource that had allowed them to finance revisionism, evade sanctions, and project influence despite conventional military inferiority. If you are dependent on US oil you can't go to war against it and claim to be a pole.
Russia loses the revenue that sustained its war machine. China loses the discounted partnerships that underwrote its energy-security narrative. Iran loses the oxygen of its regional ambitions. The axis fragments because its members can no longer subsidize one another.
In that light the campaign reveals its deeper logic.
Trump's predecessors guarded chokepoints to keep oil flowing cheaply for the world. Trump did the same while simultaneously seizing new taps to make it cheaper still and place the supply under American influence.
The result is not temporary advantage but enduring structural hegemony in the commodity that shapes every other dimension of great-power competition.
The United States emerges insulated from volatility, capable of imposing costs on adversaries without self-harm, and positioned to dictate the terms of the energy transition on its own timeline.
Allies and partners learn that alignment with Washington delivers stability while deviation carries measurable price. Adversaries discover that resource geopolitics cuts both ways and that the United States retains the sharper blade.
They were not listening when Trump first named the $50 target. They are listening now because the price has not fallen yet, but he map has been redrawn, and the balance of power has shifted in black gold and naval steel.
The doctrine stands as the defining strategic achievement of the decade: proof that deliberate, sequenced geopolitical action can convert an announced price objective into a new world order.

The game is being played, whether you like @POTUS or not you have to a knowledge he is not only playing the game unlike many others before him that bowed to China, he is playing it at the highest level possible, I mean to make a larger chokehold then what Trump just did you need to leave earth, literally.

Nothing anybody can do about it, at least now you can understand what the plan is and most importantly figure out if you are on the right side of history before it unfolded.

Prepare yourself, your family and your businesses, Don't go down like Xi Jinping.

On a personal note, I'm Israeli, I don't have any inside information or influence on decision making, this is all based on the OSINT analysis my brain makes regardless if I write it down and share it with you or not, I just love the game.

As an Israeli I celebrate Trump's administration constantly, how come my American brothers don't?
You chose the man, you saved western civilization from Kamala (Thank you!), celebrate your choice and the best president you had in last 50 years, you deserve it, he totally earned it and he won't be around forever take it all in while it lasts.
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Thanks.

My only comment, seriously. China is not stupid. They may be a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them.

Xi is going to sit by and watch this go down without making countermoves? How does this help China enough to keep them on the sideline?
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FLBear5630 said:

Thanks.

My only comment, seriously. China is not stupid. They may be a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them.

Xi is going to sit by and watch this go down without making countermoves? How does this help China enough to keep them on the sideline?

Xi lacks the navy he would need to counter it.


We have rediscovered old wisdom.


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I just hope we are not thinking with old wisdom in a paradigm shifting world that leaves us vulnerable. The world is changing since the 80's when we were coming up, drones, autonomous, the cloud, and the reliance on tech (chips, especially).

If we know it, Xi knows it. Old wisdom is not going to surprise.
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

" You are stuck defending strategies from fighting wars of the past."

No, that's Sam who thinks Bush's generals are running this one.

You're just angling for some reason to go after Trump. The idea that our military knows what they are doing, seems to stick in your craw.

Your problem, not mine.

Again, it's not that the same generals are running the war. The problem is the grand strategy, which long predates Trump.

Sam continues to argue without the use of relevant data.

Impressive, in a 'chase the lemmings' sort of way.
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FLBear5630 said:

Thanks.

My only comment, seriously. China is not stupid. They may be a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them.

Xi is going to sit by and watch this go down without making countermoves? How does this help China enough to keep them on the sideline?

I have mentioned Xi's troubles several times, but you keep ignoring them.
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Which means he is not going to take any measures to put China in an advantageous position?

You sort of lost me there, they have troubles (we have troubles) so most innovative leaders would look at this as an opportunity. Opportunity to form more alliances. Opportunity to restructure debt and resources. Opportunity to gain market share.

They aren't going to just do nothing...
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FLBear5630 said:

Which means he is not going to take any measures to put China in an advantageous position?

You sort of lost me there, they have troubles (we have troubles) so most innovative leaders would look at this as an opportunity. Opportunity to form more alliances. Opportunity to restructure debt and resources. Opportunity to gain market share.

They aren't going to just do nothing...

You see, if you had paid attention the first couple times you'd understand Xi's predicament.

Xi is out of position at the moment.
FLBear5630
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The Chinese were out of position, I fear Trump has put them back in the game with his Tariff and Europe-antics.

He has sent a lot of fear around the globe and the only other game in town is Xi...
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FLBear5630 said:

The Chinese were out of position, I fear Trump has put them back in the game with his Tariff and Europe-antics.

He has sent a lot of fear around the globe and the only other game in town is Xi...

You really do see the world through DNC-tinted glasses ...

There are a number of players at work, and Xi is presently dealing with some very serious domestic issues.
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FLBear5630 said:

I just hope we are not thinking with old wisdom in a paradigm shifting world that leaves us vulnerable. The world is changing since the 80's when we were coming up, drones, autonomous, the cloud, and the reliance on tech (chips, especially).

If we know it, Xi knows it. Old wisdom is not going to surprise.

LOL you have no idea who that is in the picture, do you.
It definitely surprised Iran, who was surprised to see Alfred Thayer Mahan (hint) arrive at the Straits of Gibraltar.

The single most appropriate critique of the neo-cons is their implicit assumption that any military action must be massive invasion followed by massive aid defended by a massive (US) occupation force. They totally forgot about things like raids, bombardments, and blockades. Trump policy has re-proven the effectiveness of such things. Naval power, properly applied, is decisive to any state dependent upon seaborne trade.
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