President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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By the end of the month Europe will be crying
Uncle in Urdu

Actually I believe something will happen by the end of the week. There is lots of chatter from a lot of different directions stating "Finish the job".

I think it's a primer for more military action

Trump cannot legally take more action. Congress has to weigh in now.


If Trump uses the same use of force resolution from the Bush administration in 2001 that Obama used, then Congress is not obligated to act.

It would not be legal to claim the AUMF as a basis.


You got a court ruling saying it was wrong back then?
It was established in 2001 that Iran's nuclear program, regime, and proxy terror groups, were not responsible for the 2001 terror attacks. So there is no legal basis to now say they were.
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1 hour ago from fox news. take it for what you like. It seems to me we are escorting traffic and maybe by patrolling apache


US sinks 6 Iranian small boats as violence flares amid ceasefire
U.S. Forces sank six Iranian small boats near the Strait of Hormuz amid President Donald Trump's "Project Freedom" on Monday.
U.S. Central Command announced the engagement in a press call with reporters, saying Iran's military capability has been "dramatically degraded."
CENTCOM Commander Adm. Brad Cooper said on the call that Iran historically has deployed "between 20 and 40 small boats" when harassing vessels in the strait.
"Today, we saw just six, and eliminated them quickly," Cooper said.
"We have an enormous amount of capability and firepower concentrated in and around the Strait, including 864 Apache and MH 60 Seahawk helicopters used just this morning to eliminate six Iranian small boats threatening commercial shipping," he added.
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1 hour ago from fox news. take it for what you like. It seems to me we are escorting traffic and maybe by patrolling apache


US sinks 6 Iranian small boats as violence flares amid ceasefire
U.S. Forces sank six Iranian small boats near the Strait of Hormuz amid President Donald Trump's "Project Freedom" on Monday.
U.S. Central Command announced the engagement in a press call with reporters, saying Iran's military capability has been "dramatically degraded."
CENTCOM Commander Adm. Brad Cooper said on the call that Iran historically has deployed "between 20 and 40 small boats" when harassing vessels in the strait.
"Today, we saw just six, and eliminated them quickly," Cooper said.
"We have an enormous amount of capability and firepower concentrated in and around the Strait, including 864 Apache and MH 60 Seahawk helicopters used just this morning to eliminate six Iranian small boats threatening commercial shipping," he added.

They can reasonably say that defending international shipping is a normal mission of the Navy. No issue with that. It is any escalation into Iran that would be clearly an act of war, requiring Congress to weigh in.

Somehow Congress already voted to terminate the AUMF if I remember correctly, but decided to delay implementing their vote.... so if it is offered up, I bet they will move along to finish that job.
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One would be hard pressed to think of many conflicts that had an exclusively military solution, but one can't find many, many examples of conflicts that were resolved successfully in significant part due to the a military solution.
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Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.


Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.


During World War II, the United States sent the Soviet Union between four and five million tons of food. All told, the United States sent $250 billion (adjusted for inflation) to prop up the Soviet Union in the fight against Germany.

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D. C. Bear said:

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Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.



Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.


During World War II, the United States sent the Soviet Union between four and five million tons of food. All told, the United States sent $250 billion (adjusted for inflation) to prop up the Soviet Union in the fight against Germany.



And had the Soviets not received thousands of trucks, their ability to
  • move all those iplants to the Urals
  • continue moving armies where they were needed
  • then concentrating on tank production over other vehicles
all would have been much harder if not impossible.
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Odds the 24 hours gets extended?

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Anyone know how accurate this article actually is?

Repairing damaged US military bases will add billions to Iran war cost, sources say | CNN Politics

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/29/politics/us-iran-war-25-billion-cost-estimate-low



Non US media is saying that's accurate. I've read where we have extensive damage at every base in the region.

I've read that Bigfoot exists.


He does. Ask Steve Austin. - Astronaut! Barely alive.
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boognish_bear said:

Odds the 24 hours gets extended?




Very high
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D. C. Bear said:

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Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.


Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.


During World War II, the United States sent the Soviet Union between four and five million tons of food. All told, the United States sent $250 billion (adjusted for inflation) to prop up the Soviet Union in the fight against Germany.


Yet over 5 million citizens died of famine and disease in the conflict and roughly 2 million were sent to the Gulag during the war.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

canoso said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

BUDOS said:

Anyone know how accurate this article actually is?

Repairing damaged US military bases will add billions to Iran war cost, sources say | CNN Politics

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/29/politics/us-iran-war-25-billion-cost-estimate-low



Non US media is saying that's accurate. I've read where we have extensive damage at every base in the region.

I've read that Bigfoot exists.


He does. Ask Steve Austin. - Astronaut! Barely alive.

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Question is are they the right cards?
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boognish_bear said:

Odds the 24 hours gets extended?




100%
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No, we will extend. That is what he does. Someone is making money on oil in his inner circle.
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Are we seeing Perception Bias play out in front of our eyes?


This is classic Britain 1914... The Germans will not go to war because our Navy will destroy them - Churchill.

Well, the Brit's may look at the world through the eyes of their Navy, but Germany didn't. I fear this is what we are witnessing, Trump is looking at this through his eyes - Navy, Air Force and we have ADA game over. But is Iran playing the same game.

Brits and Turkey - Brits won, but ended up signing the Bosporus Straits to Turkey. Who won?

You want another example, Viet Nam. We won every engagement and pounded the hell out them. And Lost.


Are we looking through this through the prism of what we want it to be or the reality? Iran just wants to hang on and deplete us until China to get involved.


Beijing Tells China Firms to Ignore US Sanctions on Refiners - Bloomberg

China makes shock move against US sanctions on oil refineries linked to Iran

US Oil Sanctions Push Beijing to Test Washington's Limits - Energy News, Top Headlines, Commentaries, Features & Events - EnergyNow.com



We taking on China too?
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The Declaration of Miniwar. Meanwhile, Israel is chomping at the bit to restart the Jewish Jihad.


The 'Mini War'
It's looking like the White House does not wish to given up just yet on the ceasefire, given this afternoon President Trump referenced the conflict as a "mini-war" - as opposed to a full blown war - in what seemed like an effort to downplay today's dramatic events. Not only did missiles rain down on the UAE, sparking a fire at a key oil facility, but the US Navy said it destroyed seven Iranian military boats. Here's what Trump said.
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"They did a poll on the war with Iran, and they said only 32% of the people like it," Trump said, without specifying who conducted the poll. "Well, I don't like it, I don't like war at all."
"We're in, I call it a mini-war," Trump added a few moments later.

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Trump has previously said he's been advised to not call it a war. House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., said last week that the U.S. is currently "not at war."

Meanwhile, more details via CENTCOM on the earlier flare-up, which separately saw the UAE engage 12 ballistic missiles, 3 cruise missiles, and 4 drones on Monday:
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US Central Command (Centcom) says it has used helicopters to destroy Iranian small boats.
It follows US President Donald Trump's suggestion that the US has struck seven Iranian small boats as it works to open the Strait of Hormuz. "Earlier today, Sea Hawk and U.S. Army AH-64 Apache helicopters were used to eliminate Iranian small boats threatening commercial shipping", Centcom writes in a social media update.

Ceasefire Broken? Israel Awaiting US Greenlight, Trump Downplays
There remain lingering questions over whether the US-Iran ceasefire has definitively broken down with today's Iranian attack on the UAE, as well as tit-for-tat hostilities in the Persian Gulf area. This as Israeli media says the Netanyahu government is awaiting a 'green light' to attack Iran again.
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boognish_bear said:



this queer snowflake who can't get to heaven and is ruining our social fabric by his life style (you know who you are here) may be great in the financial markets, but has no clue what he is talking bout with regard to how out get from the ground to the gas pump, plastics, fertilizer, helium ect . This is going to be a logistic nightmare. It will be 6 months to get back to normalcy in terms of price and supply chain. Viva la Donnie! cha ching. Thanks for your war, I was having a hard time making ends meet till he started blowing chit up!
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ATL Bear said:

D. C. Bear said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Frank Galvin said:

cowboycwr said:

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Unfortunately Joe Kent is right.

This just includes the direct economic pain from high gas prices up front.

Doesn't even begin to address the issues we're going to have with food supplies in another year.

I have seen plenty of people saying the exact opposite. And not just Trump supporters. One of the key things they point to is Iran's inability to move oil and that they will run out of storage capacity in country. Which means shutting wells down and the huge problems that come with that and then trying to restart them later.

Iran's government is built on theology, not economy. When people say the blockade hurts them more than it hurts us, they are correct and irrelevant at the same time.

Not totally true. All governments, however founded, depend on their economy. If people get hungry enough or cold enough, the government must change or fall.


Unless they believe they are sacrificing for a cause worthy of sacrifice, and an authoritarian enough regime to propagandize and repress the resistance to it. It's how Stalin held Russia together during WWII.


During World War II, the United States sent the Soviet Union between four and five million tons of food. All told, the United States sent $250 billion (adjusted for inflation) to prop up the Soviet Union in the fight against Germany.


Yet over 5 million citizens died of famine and disease in the conflict and roughly 2 million were sent to the Gulag during the war.


1 million of those dying of famine were in the cut off city of Leningrad. 4 million died in German occupied territory. As for the rest, the Soviets were always notorious for feeding cities at the expense of the rural areas.

Moreover, the large groups of Soviet citizens hailing the German army as liberators in June and July of 1941 were quickly squelched by the even worse treatment they received from the occupiers. They had to chose bad over worse.
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Saw gas at 4.19 in Round Rock. Its gonna be painful for a while!
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Jack Bauer said:

Saw gas at 4.19 in Round Rock. Its gonna be painful for a while!

viva la Donnaldiho ! It's going to $5
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boognish_bear said:




Are we seeing Perception Bias play out in front of our eyes?


This is classic Britain 1914... The Germans will not go to war because our Navy will destroy them - Churchill.

Well, the Brit's may look at the world through the eyes of their Navy, but Germany didn't. I fear this is what we are witnessing, Trump is looking at this through his eyes - Navy, Air Force and we have ADA game over. But is Iran playing the same game.

The Brits were a maritime power, the Germans a continental power.

We're a maritime (well, and aerospace) power, and Iran is a continental power.

A lot of parallels.
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Jack Bauer said:

Saw gas at 4.19 in Round Rock. Its gonna be painful for a while!

Wait till you go to the grocery store next year. You haven't even started to see the painful yet.
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Jack Bauer said:

Saw gas at 4.19 in Round Rock. It's gonna be painful for a while!
Painful if we don't start another round of bombing. Catastrophic if we do.
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"Middle east defensive push"
- Fox News

Funny. Who watches Fox anymore? I turned that wretched thing off in 2020 after they called Arizona for Biden.
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Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:




Are we seeing Perception Bias play out in front of our eyes?


This is classic Britain 1914... The Germans will not go to war because our Navy will destroy them - Churchill.

Well, the Brit's may look at the world through the eyes of their Navy, but Germany didn't. I fear this is what we are witnessing, Trump is looking at this through his eyes - Navy, Air Force and we have ADA game over. But is Iran playing the same game.

The Brits were a maritime power, the Germans a continental power.

We're a maritime (well, and aerospace) power, and Iran is a continental power.

A lot of parallels.

I would say we are looking at it as an air power. We seem to think air power can solve all. We have just recently implemented the blockade. Which is a temporary fix.

Not sure the Iranians think like we do and Iran is a natural fortress surrounded by mountains.

I am not sure a military solution is possible, we did a good job so far. I guess we will know by the end of the week, as Iranian storage capacity reaches full.
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By the way, thanks for the heads up on MacGregor. Did some research and you are right to be suspicious. His stuff on Ukraine is bizarre. Strange takes on Russia.

Anyway, a shame as a combat commander he was damn good. Don't know what is up on the Russia stuff. But, appreciate the heads up.
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