President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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I hate friends like this.
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I hope you like ceasefires because I put a ceasefire in your ceasefire

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Why does Mr. Kent ignore the benefits of the Israeli connection listed in the post by Mr. Huckabee?
Huckabee claims arms sales exceed aid. Kent doesn't actually address that. He just pans that we sell arms instead of keeping them.
Huckabee brings up tech exchanges which are real in several areas beyond military, like healthcare. Kent ignores this completely.
Kent worked in an area that should have made sure we weren't too reliant on Israeli intelligence (if that's even true). What's his excuse?

Kent seems to be making bank in the present climate with clicks more than stating what is reality.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 2:45p, 6/1/26
Kent asked a question in response to a post that already answered it
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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 4:56p, 6/1/26
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boognish_bear said:


Why does Mr. Kent ignore the benefits of the Israeli connection listed in the post by Mr. Huckabee?
Huckabee claims arms sales exceed aid. Kent doesn't actually address that. He just pans that we sell arms instead of keeping them.
Huckabee brings up tech exchanges which are real in several areas beyond military, like healthcare. Kent ignores this completely.
Kent worked in an area that should have made sure we weren't too reliant on Israeli intelligence (if that's even true). What's his excuse?

Kent seems to be making bank in the present climate with clicks more than stating what is reality.



If you give me 100 store credit every day and every day I spend 105 dollars on merchandise from your store, how long do you think your store will stay in business?
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 5:38p, 6/1/26
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EatMoreSalmon said:
boognish_bear said:


Why does Mr. Kent ignore the benefits of the Israeli connection listed in the post by Mr. Huckabee?
Huckabee claims arms sales exceed aid. Kent doesn't actually address that. He just pans that we sell arms instead of keeping them.
Huckabee brings up tech exchanges which are real in several areas beyond military, like healthcare. Kent ignores this completely.
Kent worked in an area that should have made sure we weren't too reliant on Israeli intelligence (if that's even true). What's his excuse?

Kent seems to be making bank in the present climate with clicks more than stating what is reality.



If you give me 100 store credit every day and every day I spend 105 dollars on merchandise from your store, how long do you think your store will stay in business?

Not a very good comparison at all. It is way too rudimentary. The purchases from Israel keep our own defense industries working plus.

The relationship with Israel lowers our cost in dollars and blood to contend with the loonies in the oil rich region. They are a western counterbalance to the rest of the Middle East. Most of the Jewish emigres into Israel have come from Europe and the old Soviet Union where they had to flee rampant antisemitism. They spend their own blood and treasure along with our aid to keep bad actors next door at bay, including but not limited to Iran and Hamas.

The value of intelligence and technical advances shared, which are very significant, are not considered at all. Israeli defense manufacturers are quite good at innovation especially in defensive areas. They are able to sell quite a bit of that to other nations. We get the tech in exchange without a lot of purchasing. India and Germany buy the most military equipment from Israel.

Instilled hatred has a way of blinding one's outlook on situations that need pragmatic and clear thought.
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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 6:48p, 6/1/26
EatMoreSalmon said:
The_barBEARian said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
boognish_bear said:


Why does Mr. Kent ignore the benefits of the Israeli connection listed in the post by Mr. Huckabee?
Huckabee claims arms sales exceed aid. Kent doesn't actually address that. He just pans that we sell arms instead of keeping them.
Huckabee brings up tech exchanges which are real in several areas beyond military, like healthcare. Kent ignores this completely.
Kent worked in an area that should have made sure we weren't too reliant on Israeli intelligence (if that's even true). What's his excuse?

Kent seems to be making bank in the present climate with clicks more than stating what is reality.



If you give me 100 store credit every day and every day I spend 105 dollars on merchandise from your store, how long do you think your store will stay in business?

Not a very good comparison at all. It is way too rudimentary. The purchases from Israel keep our own defense industries working plus.

The relationship with Israel lowers our cost in dollars and blood to contend with the loonies in the oil rich region. They are a western counterbalance to the rest of the Middle East. Most of the Jewish emigres into Israel have come from Europe and the old Soviet Union where they had to flee rampant antisemitism. They spend their own blood and treasure along with our aid to keep bad actors next door at bay, including but not limited to Iran and Hamas.

The value of intelligence and technical advances shared, which are very significant, are not considered at all. Israeli defense manufacturers are quite good at innovation especially in defensive areas. They are able to sell quite a bit of that to other nations. We get the tech in exchange without a lot of purchasing. India and Germany buy the most military equipment from Israel.

Instilled hatred has a way of blinding one's outlook on situations that need pragmatic and clear thought.


I thought we support capitalism?

If our defense industry cant thrive in an open capitalist market without bankrupting the rest of America with government handouts then the market is telling you there is no demand for their products.

If Israel creates value like you claim they do, they can buy from these companies with their own money... or you can personally write them a cashiers check out of your own savings account to fund the Israeli war machine.

I place ZERO value on Israeli intelligence or technical advances. They failed to warn us about 9/11 and Jonathan Pollard stole American national security secrets for Israel so they could sell them to the Soviets and Chinese.

Israel is only an ally to American Jews... the rest of us are disposable tools to be used and destroyed for their benefit.
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In reply to Realitybites • 7:04p, 6/1/26
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Guy Noir said:
Realitybites said:

The guy makes some good points but I do not agree with one statement that Iran "does not provide an existential threat". There have been terrorist actions throughout the world for which Iran has been responsible. Examples:
Hezbollah's in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen. Attacks on Synagogues in the USA. The US Citizens that were attacked at a music festival in Israel. Iran has exported terrorism for many years.


What percentage of those "US Citizens" were dual Israel and American citizens?

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

At any rate, war's back on. Oil is rising.

  • Oil jumps on Iran announcing halt to all exchanges with US, citing Israeli aggression in Lebanon.
  • Iran overnight initiated fresh attacks on neighboring Kuwait and even released video showing footage of a ballistic missile launch.
  • The US bombed radar & drone sites in Iran in response to the Iranians having shot down a US drone over the weekend. Reports of foreign jets over Iranian airspace.
  • Iran negotiator Ghalibaf charges US with breaking the ceasefire: "the naval blockade and escalation of war crimes in Lebanon" were "clear evidence of US noncompliance with the ceasefire."
  • Yemen's Houthis warn they are ready to join Hezbollah's military efforts against Israel.
  • Trump Truth Social: "Just sit back and relax, it will all work out well in the end - it always does!"


Seems like you don't have a problem with killing people as long as they are Jews.

What percentage of our diplomats who were held hostage by Iran were Israeli citizens? What percentage of our 241 military killed in the Beirut barracks were Israeli citizens? What percentage of those killed in the embassy bombing in Kenya and Tanzania or the Khobar towers in Saudia Arabia were Israeli citizens. Was Robert Stethem an Israeli citizen?

The Islamic Republic has been a boil on the butt of the world for about half a century. The unfortunate thing with the recent military action against them is that it did not go far enough to topple the government.

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Let's try and temper those markets

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7:25p, 6/1/26
Well...it's Axios...so who knows...

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In reply to boognish_bear • 8:06p, 6/1/26
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Yeah. It is a total joke. That's not to say it has to end poorly, just that the start and middle up until now has been a joke.

I'm all for Trump making lemonade outta sone Middle Eastern lemons. And apparently it's all up to him despite the Constitution or 60 day rule.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 9:04p, 6/1/26
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Well...it's Axios...so who knows...



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In reply to boognish_bear • 10:21p, 6/1/26
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Well...it's Axios...so who knows...





Laughable that anything "leaked" to Axios was more damaging to any national security interest than anything on Trump's own social media posts and public speeches.

At this point anything that makes Mark Levin and his ilk mad is probably a net benefit for America in the long term.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:35p, 6/1/26
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EatMoreSalmon said:
The_barBEARian said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
boognish_bear said:


Why does Mr. Kent ignore the benefits of the Israeli connection listed in the post by Mr. Huckabee?
Huckabee claims arms sales exceed aid. Kent doesn't actually address that. He just pans that we sell arms instead of keeping them.
Huckabee brings up tech exchanges which are real in several areas beyond military, like healthcare. Kent ignores this completely.
Kent worked in an area that should have made sure we weren't too reliant on Israeli intelligence (if that's even true). What's his excuse?

Kent seems to be making bank in the present climate with clicks more than stating what is reality.



If you give me 100 store credit every day and every day I spend 105 dollars on merchandise from your store, how long do you think your store will stay in business?

Not a very good comparison at all. It is way too rudimentary. The purchases from Israel keep our own defense industries working plus.

The relationship with Israel lowers our cost in dollars and blood to contend with the loonies in the oil rich region. They are a western counterbalance to the rest of the Middle East. Most of the Jewish emigres into Israel have come from Europe and the old Soviet Union where they had to flee rampant antisemitism. They spend their own blood and treasure along with our aid to keep bad actors next door at bay, including but not limited to Iran and Hamas.

The value of intelligence and technical advances shared, which are very significant, are not considered at all. Israeli defense manufacturers are quite good at innovation especially in defensive areas. They are able to sell quite a bit of that to other nations. We get the tech in exchange without a lot of purchasing. India and Germany buy the most military equipment from Israel.

Instilled hatred has a way of blinding one's outlook on situations that need pragmatic and clear thought.


I thought we support capitalism?

If our defense industry cant thrive in an open capitalist market without bankrupting the rest of America with government handouts then the market is telling you there is no demand for their products.

If Israel creates value like you claim they do, they can buy from these companies with their own money... or you can personally write them a cashiers check out of your own savings account to fund the Israeli war machine.

I place ZERO value on Israeli intelligence or technical advances. They failed to warn us about 9/11 and Jonathan Pollard stole American national security secrets for Israel so they could sell them to the Soviets and Chinese.

Israel is only an ally to American Jews... the rest of us are disposable tools to be used and destroyed for their benefit.


Your argument is solely based on the perceived malevolence of Jews. Certainly not capitalism or military preparedness. Absolutely not in a business sense either. Right now, Israel is a better ally than our old friend, France. Certainly more reliable than our more recent ally, Spain.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 4:37a, 6/2/26
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boognish_bear said:




I hate friends like this.


Or as the saying goes, with friends like Israel, who needs enemies?
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Walsh had best be careful, or Shapiro will flat out Candace Owens him.
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In reply to D. C. Bear • 4:41a, 6/2/26
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Seems like you don't have a problem with killing people as long as they are Jews.


I don't support killing anyone outside of the judicial and in some cases extra judicial execution of murderers, rapists, and pedophiles.

I am also not willing to plunge the world into World War 3 or a Global Depression in 2026 over the memory of the victims of October 7th or the Iran Hostage Crisis.

Unfortunately too many Christian Zionists and Neocons seem to be perfectly content with that outcome. But I suppose it's par for the course if your theology includes Capt Kirk teleporting you out of here before things get too bad.
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In reply to Guy Noir • 6:19a
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Realitybites said:

The guy makes some good points but I do not agree with one statement that Iran "does not provide an existential threat". There have been terrorist actions throughout the world for which Iran has been responsible. Examples:
Hezbollah's in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen. Attacks on Synagogues in the USA. The US Citizens that were attacked at a music festival in Israel. Iran has exported terrorism for many years.

Some of those threats are dubious, and none of them are existential.
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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 7:04a
EatMoreSalmon said:
The_barBEARian said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
boognish_bear said:


Why does Mr. Kent ignore the benefits of the Israeli connection listed in the post by Mr. Huckabee?
Huckabee claims arms sales exceed aid. Kent doesn't actually address that. He just pans that we sell arms instead of keeping them.
Huckabee brings up tech exchanges which are real in several areas beyond military, like healthcare. Kent ignores this completely.
Kent worked in an area that should have made sure we weren't too reliant on Israeli intelligence (if that's even true). What's his excuse?

Kent seems to be making bank in the present climate with clicks more than stating what is reality.



If you give me 100 store credit every day and every day I spend 105 dollars on merchandise from your store, how long do you think your store will stay in business?

Not a very good comparison at all. It is way too rudimentary. The purchases from Israel keep our own defense industries working plus.

It's ironic that this argument is so often heard from the same people who hotly deny that our policy is driven by war profiteering. It's also a terrible argument in its own right, as it tends to group the United States in the category of war economies, those typically authoritarian societies where military priorities dominate production and budgeting.

Most of our conflict in the Middle East has to do with controlling resources and trade. Iran is the classic example going back to the lopsided D'Arcy concession at the turn of the 20th century, which paved the way for the end of the monarchy. We've been trying to turn the clock back ever since. It would be less costly just to accept reality and deal with the region as is.

As for intelligence, being overly reliant on the Israelis is a bad idea for reasons that recent events have made painfully clear. They were the ones who convinced Trump that the Iranian regime would collapse and we would have a quick and easy victory.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 8:19a
Sam Lowry said:
Guy Noir said:
Realitybites said:

The guy makes some good points but I do not agree with one statement that Iran "does not provide an existential threat". There have been terrorist actions throughout the world for which Iran has been responsible. Examples:
Hezbollah's in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen. Attacks on Synagogues in the USA. The US Citizens that were attacked at a music festival in Israel. Iran has exported terrorism for many years.

Some of those threats are dubious, and none of them are existential.

Are you saying the Oct 6 attack of a music festival did not occur? Are you saying the Houthis did not shoot missiles at commercial ships attempting to travel through the Suez canal? If you do a google news search there numerous reports of attacks or plans to attack synagogues in recent history. These are real events that exist in our recent history. Thus they are existential.
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Gemini…

Congress is not merging the US and Israeli militaries into a single force, but a newly proposed legislative provision would deeply entwine the two countries' defense industries and technological sectors.

The Legislation
The initiative is embedded in Section 224 of the House version of the proposed 2027 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), titled the "United States-Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative".Instead of combining personnel or placing the militaries under one command, this measure would fuse the defense-industrial bases of both nations.

Key aspects of the proposal include:Tech and Data Sharing: Fusing research, development, and co-production of advanced military technology across artificial intelligence (AI), cyber warfare, quantum computing, and biotechnology.System Integration: Laying the groundwork for "network integration" and "data fusion" between US and Israeli defense systems.

Leadership: Requiring the US Secretary of Defense to appoint a dedicated "executive agent" to oversee and coordinate this bilateral military and technological cooperation.
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In reply to Porteroso • 8:38a
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boognish_bear said:

Yeah. It is a total joke. That's not to say it has to end poorly, just that the start and middle up until now has been a joke.

I'm all for Trump making lemonade outta sone Middle Eastern lemons. And apparently it's all up to him despite the Constitution or 60 day rule.

He took many of the people who could navigate this through their relationships and fired them for being "DEI." Kushioner and Whitekoff aren't built for this high-level negotiation.
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In reply to Guy Noir • 9:05a
Guy Noir said:
Sam Lowry said:
Guy Noir said:
Realitybites said:

The guy makes some good points but I do not agree with one statement that Iran "does not provide an existential threat". There have been terrorist actions throughout the world for which Iran has been responsible. Examples:
Hezbollah's in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen. Attacks on Synagogues in the USA. The US Citizens that were attacked at a music festival in Israel. Iran has exported terrorism for many years.

Some of those threats are dubious, and none of them are existential.

Are you saying the Oct 6 attack of a music festival did not occur? Are you saying the Houthis did not shoot missiles at commercial ships attempting to travel through the Suez canal? If you do a google news search there numerous reports of attacks or plans to attack synagogues in recent history. These are real events that exist in our recent history. Thus they are existential.


None of those represent an existential threat to any entity or nation in any meaningful way, and certainly do not represent anything close to an existential threat to the United States.
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In reply to 303Bear • 9:50a
303Bear said:
Guy Noir said:
Sam Lowry said:
Guy Noir said:
Realitybites said:

The guy makes some good points but I do not agree with one statement that Iran "does not provide an existential threat". There have been terrorist actions throughout the world for which Iran has been responsible. Examples:
Hezbollah's in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen. Attacks on Synagogues in the USA. The US Citizens that were attacked at a music festival in Israel. Iran has exported terrorism for many years.

Some of those threats are dubious, and none of them are existential.

Are you saying the Oct 6 attack of a music festival did not occur? Are you saying the Houthis did not shoot missiles at commercial ships attempting to travel through the Suez canal? If you do a google news search there numerous reports of attacks or plans to attack synagogues in recent history. These are real events that exist in our recent history. Thus they are existential.


None of those represent an existential threat to any entity or nation in any meaningful way, and certainly do not represent anything close to an existential threat to the United States.

If the history of Iran's activities over the last 50 years are not predictors of an existential threat then what is something that you would consider a threat?
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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 10:24a
EatMoreSalmon said:
boognish_bear said:


Gemini…

Congress is not merging the US and Israeli militaries into a single force, but a newly proposed legislative provision would deeply entwine the two countries' defense industries and technological sectors.

The Legislation
The initiative is embedded in Section 224 of the House version of the proposed 2027 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), titled the "United States-Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative".Instead of combining personnel or placing the militaries under one command, this measure would fuse the defense-industrial bases of both nations.

Key aspects of the proposal include:Tech and Data Sharing: Fusing research, development, and co-production of advanced military technology across artificial intelligence (AI), cyber warfare, quantum computing, and biotechnology.System Integration: Laying the groundwork for "network integration" and "data fusion" between US and Israeli defense systems.

Leadership: Requiring the US Secretary of Defense to appoint a dedicated "executive agent" to oversee and coordinate this bilateral military and technological cooperation.


Yeah... We the People dont want our bloated bureaucracy expanded to include more handouts for Israel.

Boomers are really going all out to sacrifice the last vestiges of American sovereignty to Israel in this last decade or two left of their lives.
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In reply to Guy Noir • 10:26a
Guy Noir said:
303Bear said:
Guy Noir said:
Sam Lowry said:
Guy Noir said:
Realitybites said:

The guy makes some good points but I do not agree with one statement that Iran "does not provide an existential threat". There have been terrorist actions throughout the world for which Iran has been responsible. Examples:
Hezbollah's in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen. Attacks on Synagogues in the USA. The US Citizens that were attacked at a music festival in Israel. Iran has exported terrorism for many years.

Some of those threats are dubious, and none of them are existential.

Are you saying the Oct 6 attack of a music festival did not occur? Are you saying the Houthis did not shoot missiles at commercial ships attempting to travel through the Suez canal? If you do a google news search there numerous reports of attacks or plans to attack synagogues in recent history. These are real events that exist in our recent history. Thus they are existential.


None of those represent an existential threat to any entity or nation in any meaningful way, and certainly do not represent anything close to an existential threat to the United States.

If the history of Iran's activities over the last 50 years are not predictors of an existential threat then what is something that you would consider a threat?


A $40 trillion national debt.
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I agree.
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"Training excercises" held during an active conflict in a combat zone...
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