President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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The_barBEARian
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Bestweekeverr said:

BearFan33 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but access to a fund and relief of sanctions (iran) is not the same as giving them money with no strings attached (Ukraine). If they are sim0ply giving Iran 300 billion well that would be stupid.


Using the same arguments against the Obama deal, money is fungible and that $300 billion is going to used to fund terrorists and buy drones that will eventually make our lives and the lives of our friend's uncomfortable.


Will make the lives of our friends uncomfortable? What friends? America has no friends in the Middle East. Both Israel and the Gulf Arabs treat America like its their obedient cuckhold.
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The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

Jack Bauer said:

Oldbear83 said:

Iran says a lot of lies. Not surprised though you believe them and not the US report.


What about our VP? Is he lying?


Next we'll here about the historical parallels to the Marshall Plan…

Don't forget about everyone signing the Abraham Accords…


lol the Abraham Accords.... Americans are on the hook for $300 billion so Muslim countries will recognize Israel... this was negociated by *checks notes* Witkoff and Kushner, two American Jews...




It's not because of their religion. It's because of incompetence.
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The difference you ignore, is the gap between just sending money and hoping for good results (the Obama plan) and linking sanctions relief to documented milestones.

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boognish_bear
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Levin having a rough day

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303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

The difference you ignore, is the gap between just sending money and hoping for good results (the Obama plan) and linking sanctions relief to documented milestones.



Is that what we are doing? Where is this documented?
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boognish_bear said:



Crazy to see Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin with TDS /s

In reality though, they are not wrong. They are just right for the wrong reasons IMO.
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Oil flowed before.
Harrison Bergeron
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If the deal is close to what has been leaked, this will be one of the biggest failures of the Trump Administration.
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I'd rather Iran have a nuclear bomb than send the $300 billion, especially since they will have one anyways.

This could be the worst decision ever made by any US president.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

If the deal is close to what has been leaked, this will be one of the biggest failures of the Trump Administration.

The deal will be no better than what has been leaked. Will likely be worse. If it were in any way better, it would have been paraded by the admin by now.
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ron.reagan said:

I'd rather Iran have a nuclear bomb than send the $300 billion, especially since they will have one anyways.

This could be the worst decision ever made by any US president.


Still not as bad as surrendering Afghanistan to the Taliban; but not good.
Oldbear83
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" This could be the worst decision ever made by any US president."

You really have no grasp of History.

Just off the top of my head, if you have already forgotten what Biden and Obama left us, or Bush's decision to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, or Clinton's missile gifts to the PRC, Carter's abandoning Iran in the first place plus giving away the Panama Canal, Nixon's Watergate adventure, Johnson's slaughterhouse in Vietnam, Medicare and his 'War on Poverty', FDR's installation of Social Security, Internment camps for citizens, and disastrous first-term economic ****-ups. or going further back Wilson hosted and praised the KKK at the White House, Buchanan's refusal to stop the Civil War from happening.

Even if Trump was guilty of everything you claim (spoiler alert - not true), he wouldn't be in the worst seven Presidents in History.

But you gotta fling poo, I guess.
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Porteroso
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Incredible. Old bear calling people names for believing reports that we are agreeing to 300bn, and turns out it's true.

Total, absolute, abject failure of a war. They lost nothing they care about, and gained an incredible amount.
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Porteroso said:

Incredible. Old bear calling people names for believing reports that we are agreeing to 300bn, and turns out it's true.

Total, absolute, abject failure of a war. They lost nothing they care about, and gained an incredible amount.

You get your news from a latrine, it appears.

Same place as your candidates.
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boognish_bear
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I'm at least glad he's cutting bait now...and seems to have tuned out Netanyahu....wish he'd gotten there sooner though.

Now we will have a few weeks/months of putting lipstick on this pig.
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Porteroso said:

Incredible. Old bear calling people names for believing reports that we are agreeing to 300bn, and turns out it's true.

Total, absolute, abject failure of a war. They lost nothing they care about, and gained an incredible amount.


Oldbear is the perfect archetype MAGA. Someone so convinced they are objective that he blindly follows whatever Trump says with no critical thought even when it is objectively at odds with what he supported on these boards just 2-3 years ago. And anything critical of Trump is "TDS" or just spite because I "hate the president" even though I voted for him in 2024 (lol - joke is on me for that one).

This "war" such as it were, accomplished exactly nothing as of the time of my typing this. We burned though a few dozen billion (or more), 25ish planes and who knows how many munitions to replace the Iran regime with the Iran regime and kill a few hundred (at least) civilians and school girls. All while using up most of whatever international diplomatic weight we had with Europe.

If this had been done under Biden or Kamala this board would look so much different.
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Oldbear83 said:

Porteroso said:

Incredible. Old bear calling people names for believing reports that we are agreeing to 300bn, and turns out it's true.

Total, absolute, abject failure of a war. They lost nothing they care about, and gained an incredible amount.

You get your news from a latrine, it appears.

Same place as your candidates.

Have to agree, the people i had to choose from were Donald Trump and Kamela Harris. Or do you think I singlehandedly choose candidates? Ilumiporter? Porterlati?
Oldbear83
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Porteroso said:

Oldbear83 said:

Porteroso said:

Incredible. Old bear calling people names for believing reports that we are agreeing to 300bn, and turns out it's true.

Total, absolute, abject failure of a war. They lost nothing they care about, and gained an incredible amount.

You get your news from a latrine, it appears.

Same place as your candidates.

Have to agree, the people i had to choose from were Donald Trump and Kamela Harris. Or do you think I singlehandedly choose candidates? Ilumiporter? Porterlati?

I do wonder at times.

But you need to take the facts a step further. We are stuck with Trump in the White House until 2029, barring a catastrophic crime or one burger meal too many for his system; like it or not Trump represents the government at the Executive level, and that includes authority for war operations and quite a few executive powers.

I also cannot help but wonder what screaming genius seriously believed Harris was the best choice for the Democrats, although I imagine they were counting on controlling Biden via the autopen, and he simply gave out on them before they could run out the clock.

But a quick hint as to the money at stake. It's not American taxpayers' money, but money which in fact belongs to Iranian companies.

That's the rub. For a long time now, people making the rules have denied the US the ability to seize the Iranian funds, because they technically belonged to private individuals and companies, even if those companies would be used by the Iranian regime for government purposes. The funds could only be frozen, and one issue not resolved was for how long that could last.

The Bush Administration (W) tried to find a way to seize the funds, but that failed. They then wanted to lock them up for as long as the Mullahs were in power, but there was no legal mechanism they could use for that purpose. The Obama Administration, fearing the funds might be released against US wishes, decided to offer the release of some funds, in cash, as a goodwill gesture, hoping to open a dialogue, but Iran as it always has simply took the cash and offered nothing in return but a demand for more cash. This move also offended other nations in the region, who saw Iran as dangerous and not to be trusted. By the time Trump took office again in 2025, the issue was a concern for everyone.

Trump's people briefly floated the idea of using the Iranian funds to pay other Middle East nations for harm caused by Iranian attacks, but that failed. So in the end, the decision to release some of the frozen funds as rewards for compliance with the agreement terms is a way to offer incentive to Iran for complying with the agreement, and if Iran breaks the deal they lose that money, the clock starting all over as funds are frozen for a new offense.

Only time will tell if that plan is a bad idea or a tolerable one, but the media accounts are as fake as Trump's last medical report.
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boognish_bear
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How much did it cost us to destroy their navy?

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2020

J.R.
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boognish_bear said:



this guy is the biggest shill . these people have NO self respect.
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VICTORY!

- el UF

{ sipping covfefe }

{ eating LIBERTY cakes }

Viva il Donaldo!!

pro ecclesia, pro javelina
ron.reagan
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boognish_bear said:



Why the hell would we dig it out if nobody else can?

FLBear5630
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So was the money that Obama sent back, it was Iranian money. Yet, he was ostracized by the right.


Problem I have is that this accomplished nothing. There still is no proof of a "nuclear bomb" two weeks from completion. Yet when Bush went into Iraq, everyone ostracized him for the WMD not being there.

Trump, we are supposed to cheer? This war cost billions and accomplished nothing, worse of all it cost the US pretty much all of our political clout in Europe and a lot in Asia.

The worst thing I see, is that Europe and Asia did not follow the US and the world did not stop. That is a message resonating around the world right now. Maybe the US is NOT that needed and we can say No.

The whole thing was and is a debacle. Israel won, they not only got us to fight Iran but now are integrated into our system, not just getting aide, but directing it.

Trump has been a disaster.
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Trump in March:


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