boognish_bear said:Reporter: The Iranians are saying there's no scheduled visit for the inspectors. Is that part of your agreement?
— Acyn (@Acyn) June 23, 2026
President Trump: They're wrong. They're wrong. They know they're wrong. If they were right, I'd cancel the meetings right now. pic.twitter.com/6GsByh5Dd8
Oldbear83 said:
Hey kids, look it's Mister Bitter again posting under the tag 'JR', here to pretend he knows what's going on.
Poor Mister Bitter confused the UN for NATO in his post, and even though 9/11 was more than two decades ago he still found a way to rant about Trump.
Pooooooooooooor Mister Bitter!
Remember kids, don't eat lead paint chips!
Oldbear83 said:
The Iranian Revolutionary Guard appreciates your support, I'm sure.
Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
The Iranian Revolutionary Guard appreciates your support, I'm sure.
Intellectual laziness of the highest level, nice job.
Senate walks back rebuke of Trump one day after adopting a resolution aimed at removing US military forces from the conflict with Iran. https://t.co/ZpBTLoszIR pic.twitter.com/byjePxQlbJ
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) June 25, 2026
Oil futures are now under $70 because of @realDonaldTrump's peace deal to end the war in Iran. Lower gas prices coming for Americans! pic.twitter.com/fwJQo86Reu
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) June 24, 2026
After sparring in tense confrontation with Trump over Iran today, Bill Cassidy gets a briefing at the WH.
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) June 25, 2026
And then flips his vote — and backs Trump on Iran war powers.
47-50-1, Senate blocks measure to restrict his war powers after a similar resolution passed earlier this week.
This definitely isn't Profiles in Courage…boognish_bear said:Senate walks back rebuke of Trump one day after adopting a resolution aimed at removing US military forces from the conflict with Iran. https://t.co/ZpBTLoszIR pic.twitter.com/byjePxQlbJ
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) June 25, 2026
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
President Trump said the Department of Justice is investigating Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Shell and BP for not lowering gasoline pump prices in line with falling crude costs, ‌and accused them of 'gouging' customers https://t.co/MigvhIctiw pic.twitter.com/Q3J0MV2erZ
— Reuters (@Reuters) June 25, 2026
🚨 NOW: NATO SecGen Mark Rutte has just STUNNED the fake news, coming out 100% in SUPPORT of President Trump scoring victory over Iran
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) June 24, 2026
"It would've been a threat to the WHOLE WORLD! They were VERY near a nuclear weapon."
"ALL the G7 leaders applaud the fact the nuclear… pic.twitter.com/22TZAiM3hH
ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Oldbear83 said:
Poor FLBear's turban is tied a mite too tight again. Imagines the Iranian mullahs are Americans!
Oldbear83 said:Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
The Iranian Revolutionary Guard appreciates your support, I'm sure.
Intellectual laziness of the highest level, nice job.
That 'honor' also goes to FLBear, for deciding that if he hates the CinC, any insult is fine even if it helps the enemy.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
BREAKING: Iran's Speaker of the Parliament says President Trump "falsely claims" that unfrozen Iranian assets will buy US agriculture products.
— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 25, 2026
"The only crop we're harvesting is what you planted: decades of mistrust. It's organic, abundant, and homegrown," he says. pic.twitter.com/66998rxnCG
ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
🚨JUST IN: Iran wants FIFA to prevent any “ceremonies or promotional activities” in support of the LGBTQ community
— Polymarket Sports (@PolymarketSport) June 25, 2026
Seattle’s local World Cup host committee has designated the upcoming game between Iran and Egypt a “Pride Match” pic.twitter.com/G3he27H1i7
For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.
ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.
For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.
Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:Porteroso said:Oldbear83 said:
The Iranian Revolutionary Guard appreciates your support, I'm sure.
Intellectual laziness of the highest level, nice job.
That 'honor' also goes to FLBear, for deciding that if he hates the CinC, any insult is fine even if it helps the enemy.
It's just a forum. None of these comments "help" Iran. We can criticize parts of this war, and not be supporting Iran in the slightest. The reason to criticize, is that people died, mistakes were made. We need to do better next time.
I have sympathy for Gazans as many are forced into service either through coercion or the Dahwah network. But if your home is a tunnel entry or underground munitions cache, you are a legitimate military target. So when the apartment complex is droned and a family is blown to bits, you accuse the Israelis of war crimes whilst the real cruelty and crime was performed well before any missiles were fired.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.
For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.
Now that's broad-brushing.
ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.
For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.
Now that's broad-brushing.
I have sympathy for Gazans as many are forced into service either through coercion or the Dahwah network. But if your home is a tunnel entry or underground munitions cache, you are a legitimate military target. So when the apartment complex is droned and a family is blown to bits, you accuse the Israelis of war crimes whilst the real cruelty and crime was performed well before any missiles were fired.
ATL Bear said:I have sympathy for Gazans as many are forced into service either through coercion or the Dahwah network. But if your home is a tunnel entry or underground munitions cache, you are a legitimate military target. So when the apartment complex is droned and a family is blown to bits, you accuse the Israelis of war crimes whilst the real cruelty and crime was performed well before any missiles were fired.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.
For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.
Now that's broad-brushing.
historian said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.
For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.
Now that's broad-brushing.
I have sympathy for Gazans as many are forced into service either through coercion or the Dahwah network. But if your home is a tunnel entry or underground munitions cache, you are a legitimate military target. So when the apartment complex is droned and a family is blown to bits, you accuse the Israelis of war crimes whilst the real cruelty and crime was performed well before any missiles were fired.
That's the terrorist strategy: use human shields and blame the other side for attacking legitimate targets. That's one reason our Leftists love them so much: it's not just that they hate the same people (Jews, Christian's, America, etc) and they use the same tactics including projection, deception, manipulation, etc.
FLBear5630 said:historian said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.
For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.
Now that's broad-brushing.
I have sympathy for Gazans as many are forced into service either through coercion or the Dahwah network. But if your home is a tunnel entry or underground munitions cache, you are a legitimate military target. So when the apartment complex is droned and a family is blown to bits, you accuse the Israelis of war crimes whilst the real cruelty and crime was performed well before any missiles were fired.
That's the terrorist strategy: use human shields and blame the other side for attacking legitimate targets. That's one reason our Leftists love them so much: it's not just that they hate the same people (Jews, Christian's, America, etc) and they use the same tactics including projection, deception, manipulation, etc.You areI am one obsessed puppy...
You may not like the truth, but it doesn't change the truth. We may not like what it says about the combatants, but it is the truth of the battle and why it is so difficult to settle.Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:Sam Lowry said:ATL Bear said:The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:boognish_bear said:Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026
Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.
If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...
The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.
While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?
It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.
Why do you ask?
Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.
Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).
Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.
That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.
Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.
They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.
Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.
Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.
Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.
Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.
For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.
Now that's broad-brushing.
I have sympathy for Gazans as many are forced into service either through coercion or the Dahwah network. But if your home is a tunnel entry or underground munitions cache, you are a legitimate military target. So when the apartment complex is droned and a family is blown to bits, you accuse the Israelis of war crimes whilst the real cruelty and crime was performed well before any missiles were fired.
Israel doesn't just target tunnel entries or munition caches. They take out whole complexes and multiple families as a form of collective punishment. And it's not just an apartment here and there. They do it at such scale that they've mostly succeeded in depopulating the north of Gaza and rendering it uninhabitable. I won't talk about the destruction of the health care and humanitarian aid systems, which have been covered on other threads.
"The citizens are the military" is the kind of reasoning that's used to justify collective punishment. The same argument has been made about Israel, i.e. that there are no Israeli civilians because practically everyone serves in the military and supports the government's actions. If it was wrong then, it's wrong now.
