Mothra said:

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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Ok Boomer.

Even more, it’s more than any candidate has gotten in over a decade, Democrat or Republican.

Even democrats on this campus that’s only 22% Republican.

He has totally motivated almost every Republican on campus. This is crazy.

— UF College Republicans (@UFCR) March 12, 2026

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The_barBEARian said:

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A new update just dropped.

America being built on "Judeo-Christian values" got replaced by "Hebraic Conservative values"

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Eric Cohen, CEO of the US govt-funded Tikvah Fund, says the GOP should be guided by a "new Hebraic Conservatism."

"First, Hebraic Conservatives understand that America aspires to be a new Israel," he tells a Republican Jewish Coalition/National Review event on anti-Semitism. https://t.co/37vaAqiRk7 pic.twitter.com/4l6LKCtJJb

— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) March 11, 2026

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Can you take a break from the typical Jew hating rhetoric to go on record?

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he's going to be really torn if the Dems nominate a black

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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A new update just dropped.

America being built on "Judeo-Christian values" got replaced by "Hebraic Conservative values"

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Eric Cohen, CEO of the US govt-funded Tikvah Fund, says the GOP should be guided by a "new Hebraic Conservatism."

"First, Hebraic Conservatives understand that America aspires to be a new Israel," he tells a Republican Jewish Coalition/National Review event on anti-Semitism. https://t.co/37vaAqiRk7 pic.twitter.com/4l6LKCtJJb

— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) March 11, 2026

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Can you take a break from the typical Jew hating rhetoric to go on record?

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he's going to be really torn if the Dems nominate a black

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This you?

White guilt is a mental disorder.

This is incredibly pathetic. And remember: they hate you no matter what. It doesn’t matter how much you pander to these people. pic.twitter.com/GC3g6EfZYp

— iamyesyouareno (@iamyesyouareno) December 21, 2023

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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Ok Boomer.

Even more, it’s more than any candidate has gotten in over a decade, Democrat or Republican.

Even democrats on this campus that’s only 22% Republican.

He has totally motivated almost every Republican on campus. This is crazy.

— UF College Republicans (@UFCR) March 12, 2026

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.You got me millennial. That photo proves it.

lmao.

Going to be hilarious to see the weeping and gnashing of teeth when all of your candidates lose.

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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A new update just dropped.

America being built on "Judeo-Christian values" got replaced by "Hebraic Conservative values"

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Eric Cohen, CEO of the US govt-funded Tikvah Fund, says the GOP should be guided by a "new Hebraic Conservatism."

"First, Hebraic Conservatives understand that America aspires to be a new Israel," he tells a Republican Jewish Coalition/National Review event on anti-Semitism. https://t.co/37vaAqiRk7 pic.twitter.com/4l6LKCtJJb

— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) March 11, 2026

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Can you take a break from the typical Jew hating rhetoric to go on record?

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he's going to be really torn if the Dems nominate a black

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Can you imagine if it was a Jew?

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Mothra said:

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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LMAO. Fuentes just went mainstream last year. You think the Republican Party is going to transform over night? It will take years. Just look at the polling for guys like Fishback among young conservatives to see where things are heading.

In the meantime, take a look at Ohio. It looks like MAGA Vivek lost his lead to Democrat Amy Acton… Groyper curse.

But no you're right. I'll turn to warmongers like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz to be my role models. Standup guys!

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You seem to be suffering under the delusion that when you're young and stupid, your ideas won't change as you get older and wiser. Rest assured, son, they will. You won't always be this glib.

The groypers and Nick Fuentes aren't going to get anywhere. The fringe barks the loudest and is the most obnoxious, but the silent majority by and large doesn't share their extremists views. Could they briefly gain control of the Republican party at some point, in the way the fringe left briefly gained control in 2000? I suppose it's possible

But given the shifting demographics of the country, it's highly unlikely a racist with groyper ideas will come close to gaining the support needed to win a general election. If that ever happened, it would be of course an act of God, and likely an ushering in of the end times. There are just not enough white, Anti-Jewish racists in the country anymore.

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On the Israel stuff. First off, dispensationalism and Christian-Zionism is not only wrong, but evil. There is one, continuous people of God united in Christ, seeing the Church as the fulfillment of, not a replacement for, Israel. One covenant, shown even all the way back to Genesis 3.

Second, all criticism of the modern atheist government of Israel should not be equated with antisemitism.
We should not hate anybody.

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Obviously this is red meat for the antisemites, but is it in any way true? Probably depends on the premise and preconceived notions one adheres to.

Dispensationalists do not believe that there is a way to God outside of faith in Christ. We've been over this, and I think this is the mistaken preconceived notion you continue to propagate, and unfortunately, it's no way accurate. What we know from Paul's writings is that there remains a covenantal status (based on Romans 11:28-29) between Jews (i.e. descendants of Abraham) and God. Does that mean Jews are saved, if they remain a "chosen" people? No, and I think you will have a difficult time finding any mainstream dispensationalists who hold that belief.

However, from the very beginning, God had a plan of redemption in mind for humanity, and He needed a people group through which to work it out. Abraham and his descendants were chosen to be that means by which the whole world would be able to be saved. They were chosen to bring the messiah to Earth. This was the ultimately purpose of the Abrahamic Covenant. We also know from Romans 9 and 11 that God still has a plan for those people, and that God does not break is covenants.

Does that mean Jews are part of the elect of God? No. Again, salvation is through Christ alone. But it also doesn't mean that God has broken his covenant or does not have a plan for Jews. Indeed, we know he does from Romans.

We also know that the land of Israel - the site of Christ's ministry and death - will always be a holy land for Christians, and should hold a special place of importance, which is why those who say we should just let it rot or be destroyed are so foolish.

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So let me get this right, if Christians don't adhere to a modern dual covenant theology that wasn't widely accepted until the 1950s, then they must be in favor of letting the Holy lands rot or be destroyed?!
The vast majority of Christians don't buy into dispensationalism...so they're providing red meat to antisemites?

I think it is dubious to say that the modern day nation of Israel established in 1948, rather than ethnic Israel, is the EXACT same Old-Testament Israel. Modern Israel is in no way ancient Israel. Modern Jews are not sons of Abraham. In Galatians 3, Paul says the Abrahamic promise is to a singular seed, and identifies that seed as Christ. And then he draws the necessary conclusion: those who are in Christ are Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise. Demonstrating that the inheritance flows through union with the one Seed.

You said " Again, salvation is through Christ alone. But it also doesn't mean that God has broken his covenant or does not have a plan for Jews."
That doesn't make sense. How could there by any other plan for Jews than Christ?

43 " Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" Matthew 21:43

See Galatians 4:21-31 as well: Paul defines the true Jerusalem as "above" and "free," contrasting it with the physical, "enslaved" city of his time. He uses this allegory to teach that believers (both Jew and Gentile) are children of the promise, constituting the true Israel of God through faith in Christ, rather than ethnic descent.

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I wasn't referring to you specifically when I made the comment "we should not let it rot or be destroyed," though obviously, without our defense capabilities, that is much more likely to happen. We all know that Israel is a nation of limited resources, and a full-fledged attack by Arab neighbors could result in its destruction, just because of the sheer numbers. And of course, you have spoken very negatively about the Israeli govt., which at least seems to imply you are in favor of no longer supporting it. But feel free to correct me if I am misstating your position.

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It will be tricky to keep supporting Israel since we're in the process of being evicted from the region.

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Do you want to bet? Happy to take that more of your money.

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me.

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Tell you what, feel free to go on record if I've misinterpreted your comments. Let me help you with the questions:

1) Like Fuentes, do you hope the US loses the war with Iran?

2) will you be voting democrat this next election cycle?

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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He cant.

There havent been thousands of American deaths. Its all hasbara slop that these nitwit Boomercons consume and defecate all over this forum

They start attributing every soldier killed in the middle east over the last half century to Iran.

These are the same NPCs that tell us we are deriving some kind of benefit from our presence there when most of us can see with our own eyes how this country has become poorer and less free since the Iraq war.

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So Iran backed, funded, and supplied militias and organizations don't count in your opinion?

Interesting. That's quite convenient.

Ironically, I don't disagree with you regarding the Middle East in general or Iraq. While I was fine with Bush one driving the Iraqi's out of Kuwait, bush twos misadventures in Iraq were a huge mistake. Less involvement in the Middle East would be a very good thing. The problem is we've screwed it up so royally, now we have somewhat of an obligation to try to make things right.

That is why I don't have a problem with bombing the biggest sponsor of state terrorism in the world today . The last thing we need is these Islamist gaining control of the Middle East. But troops on the ground? No way.

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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LMAO. Fuentes just went mainstream last year. You think the Republican Party is going to transform over night? It will take years. Just look at the polling for guys like Fishback among young conservatives to see where things are heading.

In the meantime, take a look at Ohio. It looks like MAGA Vivek lost his lead to Democrat Amy Acton… Groyper curse.

But no you're right. I'll turn to warmongers like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz to be my role models. Standup guys!

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You seem to be suffering under the delusion that when you're young and stupid, your ideas won't change as you get older and wiser. Rest assured, son, they will. You won't always be this glib.

The groypers and Nick Fuentes aren't going to get anywhere. The fringe barks the loudest and is the most obnoxious, but the silent majority by and large doesn't share their extremists views. Could they briefly gain control of the Republican party at some point, in the way the fringe left briefly gained control in 2000? I suppose it's possible

But given the shifting demographics of the country, it's highly unlikely a racist with groyper ideas will come close to gaining the support needed to win a general election. If that ever happened, it would be of course an act of God, and likely an ushering in of the end times. There are just not enough white, Anti-Jewish racists in the country anymore.

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Sure, Jan.

Don't forget how taboo it was for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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LMAO. Fuentes just went mainstream last year. You think the Republican Party is going to transform over night? It will take years. Just look at the polling for guys like Fishback among young conservatives to see where things are heading.

In the meantime, take a look at Ohio. It looks like MAGA Vivek lost his lead to Democrat Amy Acton… Groyper curse.

But no you're right. I'll turn to warmongers like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz to be my role models. Standup guys!

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You seem to be suffering under the delusion that when you're young and stupid, your ideas won't change as you get older and wiser. Rest assured, son, they will. You won't always be this glib.

The groypers and Nick Fuentes aren't going to get anywhere. The fringe barks the loudest and is the most obnoxious, but the silent majority by and large doesn't share their extremists views. Could they briefly gain control of the Republican party at some point, in the way the fringe left briefly gained control in 2000? I suppose it's possible

But given the shifting demographics of the country, it's highly unlikely a racist with groyper ideas will come close to gaining the support needed to win a general election. If that ever happened, it would be of course an act of God, and likely an ushering in of the end times. There are just not enough white, Anti-Jewish racists in the country anymore.

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Sure, Jan.

Don't forget how taboo it was for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016

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Fuentes and those of his ilk aren't Trump. Moreover, Trump's not a racist who hates Jews. Gonna be difficult to win when you're a white racist in favor of white supremacy and hate Jewish people.

I'm sure that chaps your hide, Cindy.

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A new update just dropped.

America being built on "Judeo-Christian values" got replaced by "Hebraic Conservative values"

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Eric Cohen, CEO of the US govt-funded Tikvah Fund, says the GOP should be guided by a "new Hebraic Conservatism."

"First, Hebraic Conservatives understand that America aspires to be a new Israel," he tells a Republican Jewish Coalition/National Review event on anti-Semitism. https://t.co/37vaAqiRk7 pic.twitter.com/4l6LKCtJJb

— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) March 11, 2026

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Can you take a break from the typical Jew hating rhetoric to go on record?

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he's going to be really torn if the Dems nominate a black

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This you?

White guilt is a mental disorder.

This is incredibly pathetic. And remember: they hate you no matter what. It doesn’t matter how much you pander to these people. pic.twitter.com/GC3g6EfZYp

— iamyesyouareno (@iamyesyouareno) December 21, 2023

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You continue to display that treating everyone equally, holding everyone to the same standard is not guilt at all.

You're just not that smart.

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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LMAO. Fuentes just went mainstream last year. You think the Republican Party is going to transform over night? It will take years. Just look at the polling for guys like Fishback among young conservatives to see where things are heading.

In the meantime, take a look at Ohio. It looks like MAGA Vivek lost his lead to Democrat Amy Acton… Groyper curse.

But no you're right. I'll turn to warmongers like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz to be my role models. Standup guys!

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You seem to be suffering under the delusion that when you're young and stupid, your ideas won't change as you get older and wiser. Rest assured, son, they will. You won't always be this glib.

The groypers and Nick Fuentes aren't going to get anywhere. The fringe barks the loudest and is the most obnoxious, but the silent majority by and large doesn't share their extremists views. Could they briefly gain control of the Republican party at some point, in the way the fringe left briefly gained control in 2000? I suppose it's possible

But given the shifting demographics of the country, it's highly unlikely a racist with groyper ideas will come close to gaining the support needed to win a general election. If that ever happened, it would be of course an act of God, and likely an ushering in of the end times. There are just not enough white, Anti-Jewish racists in the country anymore.

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Sure, Jan.

Don't forget how taboo it was for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016

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Fuentes and those of his ilk aren't Trump. Moreover, Trump's not a racist who hates Jews. Gonna be difficult to win when you're a white racist in favor of white supremacy and hate Jewish people.

I'm sure that chaps your hide, Cindy.

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Fuentes is merely a streamer with no intentions of running for public office.

America First/Groyperism is a by-product of MAGA, it's essentially the same ideology with an emphasis on non-interventionism, mainly in the Eastern Hemisphere.

Many Right-Wing candidates/politicians are adopting it.

Take Brandon Herrera from Texas 23rd Congressional District. Majority of his ideas are aligned with America First principles.

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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LMAO. Fuentes just went mainstream last year. You think the Republican Party is going to transform over night? It will take years. Just look at the polling for guys like Fishback among young conservatives to see where things are heading.

In the meantime, take a look at Ohio. It looks like MAGA Vivek lost his lead to Democrat Amy Acton… Groyper curse.

But no you're right. I'll turn to warmongers like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz to be my role models. Standup guys!

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You seem to be suffering under the delusion that when you're young and stupid, your ideas won't change as you get older and wiser. Rest assured, son, they will. You won't always be this glib.

The groypers and Nick Fuentes aren't going to get anywhere. The fringe barks the loudest and is the most obnoxious, but the silent majority by and large doesn't share their extremists views. Could they briefly gain control of the Republican party at some point, in the way the fringe left briefly gained control in 2000? I suppose it's possible

But given the shifting demographics of the country, it's highly unlikely a racist with groyper ideas will come close to gaining the support needed to win a general election. If that ever happened, it would be of course an act of God, and likely an ushering in of the end times. There are just not enough white, Anti-Jewish racists in the country anymore.

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Sure, Jan.

Don't forget how taboo it was for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016

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Fuentes and those of his ilk aren't Trump. Moreover, Trump's not a racist who hates Jews. Gonna be difficult to win when you're a white racist in favor of white supremacy and hate Jewish people.

I'm sure that chaps your hide, Cindy.

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Fuentes is merely a streamer with no intentions of running for public office.

America First/Groyperism is a by-product of MAGA, it's essentially the same ideology with an emphasis on non-interventionism, mainly in the Eastern Hemisphere.

Many Right-Wing candidates/politicians are adopting it.

Take Brandon Herrera from Texas 23rd Congressional District. Majority of his ideas are aligned with America First principles.

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I am talking about those with Fuentes's racist and hateful belief system. Going to be difficult for a white racist to win a national election, given the demographics in the country. This is no longer the Jim Crow south.

Groyperism is hardly the same ideology as MAGA. MAGA is not white nationalist and racist. Such morally-bankrupt policies may be red meat to young, white, disenfranchised, gay white men such as Fuentes, who need a bogeyman to blame for their lot in life, but not the the vast majority of the normies and moral folk in the country. For that reason, they are going to have a very difficult time winning any state-wide or national elections.

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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Now ask him how many Iranians have been killed by CIA or Mossad-backed proxy groups during the same time period.

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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Oh, believe me I get it. You have no substantive points to make, and no retort to my overall point that Iran is a terrible actor, so you focus on an inane and irrelevant point in an attempt to prove you are right. Helps stroke the ego, given how badly you typically fare in our discussions.

I indeed get it.

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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Now ask him how many Iranians have been killed by CIA or Mossad-backed proxy groups during the same time period.

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Have you shed a lot of tears over the deaths of Islamic terrorists?

The poor Jihadists.

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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Now ask him how many Iranians have been killed by CIA or Mossad-backed proxy groups during the same time period.

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Have you shed a lot of tears over the deaths of Islamic terrorists?

The poor Jihadists.

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I'm sure those civilian nuclear scientists and their families were real religious fanatics

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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Now ask him how many Iranians have been killed by CIA or Mossad-backed proxy groups during the same time period.

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Have you shed a lot of tears over the deaths of Islamic terrorists?

The poor Jihadists.

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I'm sure those civilian nuclear scientists and their families were real religious fanatics

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Ah yes, the poor nuclear scientists, working hard to make weapons of mass destruction from the Islamist terrorists.

Yes, we should feel really bad for them.

BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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How did you base your conclusions?

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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Now ask him how many Iranians have been killed by CIA or Mossad-backed proxy groups during the same time period.

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Have you shed a lot of tears over the deaths of Islamic terrorists?

The poor Jihadists.

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I'm sure those civilian nuclear scientists and their families were real religious fanatics

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Every time I think," he can't be this dumb " you go and establish a new low.

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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Now ask him how many Iranians have been killed by CIA or Mossad-backed proxy groups during the same time period.

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Have you shed a lot of tears over the deaths of Islamic terrorists?

The poor Jihadists.

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I'm sure those civilian nuclear scientists and their families were real religious fanatics

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Every time I think," he can't be this dumb " you go and establish a new low.

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Sir, please use the time you have left on this earth for something more productive than calling people stupid online.

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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So little Nicky has gone on record as saying that conservatives should vote democrat and he wants Iran to win the war against the US. I am curious if our resident groypers still support little Nikky or whether this is a bridge too far.

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Doesn't he feel Trump betrayed his America first campaign promises and promise to stay out of foreign wars? And believes this is what is necessary to get conservatives to start supporting such issues in the future? What benefit do you think Nick and the groypers derive from voting conservative in the next election which would override his concerns about conservatives ignoring these important issues? If you really are afraid of others following Nick's example, what is your argument that they should not?

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So I will take that as a yes - you still support Fuentes, recommend voting Democrat, and hope we don't overthrow the leadership of a despotic regime responsible for thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of its citizens' deaths, and spreading Islamic terror across the world.

Got it. Your hate of Israel is indeed greater than your love of your country.

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You are paying far more attention to Fuentes than myself. I actually forgot about him until you brought him up again. You have built a fine strawman that doesn't resemble me. But you also made a claim that I would like you to defend: how is Iran responsible for thousands of American deaths?

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You serious Clark?

Do you really not know the list of terror attacks and attacks through proxies committed by Iran? Hell they killed hundreds in Iraq alone.

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No, I don't. Show me this list of thousands of American deaths. Or maybe you were exaggerating the number and would like to know amend your pleadings?

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https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

A few highlights...

• Based on U.S. government reports, Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq between 2003 and 2011, accounting for roughly 17% of all U.S. fatalities there. They have caused approximately 5,000 additional casualties.
• 241 U.S. military personnel killed in the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 83.
• In 2007, twelve members of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U.S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U.S. soldiers, and wounded another three.
• Rockets by Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, have killed at least 7 Americans in Israel and wounded several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
• In 2023, Iranian backed Hamas killed at least 48 Americans.
• A drone launched by Iranian backed Hezbollah killed three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounded more than 40 other service members.
• A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

Hope this was educational.

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Even if I accept all these numbers at face value, it tallies to 910 people. You said thousands. Care to amend those pleadings, counselor?

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Wait a second. Your point was the number is not as high as I suggested? Really???

LMAO. I get it now. This was another one of your dumb attempts at playing gotcha. You cannot refute that Iran is a huge sponsor of state terror, responsible for numerous deaths and casualties (my point), but you are going to quibble over hundreds versus thousands of American deaths.

lol . You are an absolute hoot. You add nothing of substance to this board and quibble over inane points while missing the overall point. But boy, do you add some comic relief to the board.

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The point is you either got caught stretching the truth or didn't actually know the number and thought it was much higher than it actually was. Either way, this shows your conclusions are based on faulty information.

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Now ask him how many Iranians have been killed by CIA or Mossad-backed proxy groups during the same time period.

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Have you shed a lot of tears over the deaths of Islamic terrorists?

The poor Jihadists.

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I'm sure those civilian nuclear scientists and their families were real religious fanatics

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Every time I think," he can't be this dumb " you go and establish a new low.

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Sir, please use the time you have left on this earth for something more productive than calling people stupid online.

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You might want to take the same advice yourself, sir.

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On the Israel stuff. First off, dispensationalism and Christian-Zionism is not only wrong, but evil. There is one, continuous people of God united in Christ, seeing the Church as the fulfillment of, not a replacement for, Israel. One covenant, shown even all the way back to Genesis 3.

Second, all criticism of the modern atheist government of Israel should not be equated with antisemitism.
We should not hate anybody.

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Obviously this is red meat for the antisemites, but is it in any way true? Probably depends on the premise and preconceived notions one adheres to.

Dispensationalists do not believe that there is a way to God outside of faith in Christ. We've been over this, and I think this is the mistaken preconceived notion you continue to propagate, and unfortunately, it's no way accurate. What we know from Paul's writings is that there remains a covenantal status (based on Romans 11:28-29) between Jews (i.e. descendants of Abraham) and God. Does that mean Jews are saved, if they remain a "chosen" people? No, and I think you will have a difficult time finding any mainstream dispensationalists who hold that belief.

However, from the very beginning, God had a plan of redemption in mind for humanity, and He needed a people group through which to work it out. Abraham and his descendants were chosen to be that means by which the whole world would be able to be saved. They were chosen to bring the messiah to Earth. This was the ultimately purpose of the Abrahamic Covenant. We also know from Romans 9 and 11 that God still has a plan for those people, and that God does not break is covenants.

Does that mean Jews are part of the elect of God? No. Again, salvation is through Christ alone. But it also doesn't mean that God has broken his covenant or does not have a plan for Jews. Indeed, we know he does from Romans.

We also know that the land of Israel - the site of Christ's ministry and death - will always be a holy land for Christians, and should hold a special place of importance, which is why those who say we should just let it rot or be destroyed are so foolish.

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So let me get this right, if Christians don't adhere to a modern dual covenant theology that wasn't widely accepted until the 1950s, then they must be in favor of letting the Holy lands rot or be destroyed?!
The vast majority of Christians don't buy into dispensationalism...so they're providing red meat to antisemites?

I think it is dubious to say that the modern day nation of Israel established in 1948, rather than ethnic Israel, is the EXACT same Old-Testament Israel. Modern Israel is in no way ancient Israel. Modern Jews are not sons of Abraham. In Galatians 3, Paul says the Abrahamic promise is to a singular seed, and identifies that seed as Christ. And then he draws the necessary conclusion: those who are in Christ are Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise. Demonstrating that the inheritance flows through union with the one Seed.

You said " Again, salvation is through Christ alone. But it also doesn't mean that God has broken his covenant or does not have a plan for Jews."
That doesn't make sense. How could there by any other plan for Jews than Christ?

43 " Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" Matthew 21:43

See Galatians 4:21-31 as well: Paul defines the true Jerusalem as "above" and "free," contrasting it with the physical, "enslaved" city of his time. He uses this allegory to teach that believers (both Jew and Gentile) are children of the promise, constituting the true Israel of God through faith in Christ, rather than ethnic descent.

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I wasn't referring to you specifically when I made the comment "we should not let it rot or be destroyed," though obviously, without our defense capabilities, that is much more likely to happen. We all know that Israel is a nation of limited resources, and a full-fledged attack by Arab neighbors could result in its destruction, just because of the sheer numbers. And of course, you have spoken very negatively about the Israeli govt., which at least seems to imply you are in favor of no longer supporting it. But feel free to correct me if I am misstating your position.

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It will be tricky to keep supporting Israel since we're in the process of being evicted from the region.

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Do you want to bet? Happy to take that more of your money.

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You haven't taken any and shouldn't expect to, given your record.

Just IN:— US is preparing for ground invasion of Iran's Kharg Island which is responsible for about 90% of Iran's oil exports.

— South Asia Index (@SouthAsiaIndex) March 13, 2026

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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LMAO. Fuentes just went mainstream last year. You think the Republican Party is going to transform over night? It will take years. Just look at the polling for guys like Fishback among young conservatives to see where things are heading.

In the meantime, take a look at Ohio. It looks like MAGA Vivek lost his lead to Democrat Amy Acton… Groyper curse.

But no you're right. I'll turn to warmongers like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz to be my role models. Standup guys!

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You seem to be suffering under the delusion that when you're young and stupid, your ideas won't change as you get older and wiser. Rest assured, son, they will. You won't always be this glib.

The groypers and Nick Fuentes aren't going to get anywhere. The fringe barks the loudest and is the most obnoxious, but the silent majority by and large doesn't share their extremists views. Could they briefly gain control of the Republican party at some point, in the way the fringe left briefly gained control in 2000? I suppose it's possible

But given the shifting demographics of the country, it's highly unlikely a racist with groyper ideas will come close to gaining the support needed to win a general election. If that ever happened, it would be of course an act of God, and likely an ushering in of the end times. There are just not enough white, Anti-Jewish racists in the country anymore.

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Sure, Jan.

Don't forget how taboo it was for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016

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Fuentes and those of his ilk aren't Trump. Moreover, Trump's not a racist who hates Jews. Gonna be difficult to win when you're a white racist in favor of white supremacy and hate Jewish people.

I'm sure that chaps your hide, Cindy.

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Fuentes is merely a streamer with no intentions of running for public office.

America First/Groyperism is a by-product of MAGA, it's essentially the same ideology with an emphasis on non-interventionism, mainly in the Eastern Hemisphere.

Many Right-Wing candidates/politicians are adopting it.

Take Brandon Herrera from Texas 23rd Congressional District. Majority of his ideas are aligned with America First principles.

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Groyperism is hardly the same ideology as MAGA. MAGA is not white nationalist and racist.

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Not as overtly, but it is.

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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LMAO. Fuentes just went mainstream last year. You think the Republican Party is going to transform over night? It will take years. Just look at the polling for guys like Fishback among young conservatives to see where things are heading.

In the meantime, take a look at Ohio. It looks like MAGA Vivek lost his lead to Democrat Amy Acton… Groyper curse.

But no you're right. I'll turn to warmongers like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz to be my role models. Standup guys!

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You seem to be suffering under the delusion that when you're young and stupid, your ideas won't change as you get older and wiser. Rest assured, son, they will. You won't always be this glib.

The groypers and Nick Fuentes aren't going to get anywhere. The fringe barks the loudest and is the most obnoxious, but the silent majority by and large doesn't share their extremists views. Could they briefly gain control of the Republican party at some point, in the way the fringe left briefly gained control in 2000? I suppose it's possible

But given the shifting demographics of the country, it's highly unlikely a racist with groyper ideas will come close to gaining the support needed to win a general election. If that ever happened, it would be of course an act of God, and likely an ushering in of the end times. There are just not enough white, Anti-Jewish racists in the country anymore.

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Sure, Jan.

Don't forget how taboo it was for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016

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Fuentes and those of his ilk aren't Trump. Moreover, Trump's not a racist who hates Jews. Gonna be difficult to win when you're a white racist in favor of white supremacy and hate Jewish people.

I'm sure that chaps your hide, Cindy.

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Fuentes is merely a streamer with no intentions of running for public office.

America First/Groyperism is a by-product of MAGA, it's essentially the same ideology with an emphasis on non-interventionism, mainly in the Eastern Hemisphere.

Many Right-Wing candidates/politicians are adopting it.

Take Brandon Herrera from Texas 23rd Congressional District. Majority of his ideas are aligned with America First principles.

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Groyperism is hardly the same ideology as MAGA. MAGA is not white nationalist and racist.

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Not as overtly, but it is.

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Somali Sam still bitter and dishonest, I note.

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On the Israel stuff. First off, dispensationalism and Christian-Zionism is not only wrong, but evil. There is one, continuous people of God united in Christ, seeing the Church as the fulfillment of, not a replacement for, Israel. One covenant, shown even all the way back to Genesis 3.

Second, all criticism of the modern atheist government of Israel should not be equated with antisemitism.
We should not hate anybody.

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Thank you Doc!

A welcome voice of reason, as always!

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Thanks!

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Mothra said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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On the Israel stuff. First off, dispensationalism and Christian-Zionism is not only wrong, but evil. There is one, continuous people of God united in Christ, seeing the Church as the fulfillment of, not a replacement for, Israel. One covenant, shown even all the way back to Genesis 3.

Second, all criticism of the modern atheist government of Israel should not be equated with antisemitism.
We should not hate anybody.

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Obviously this is red meat for the antisemites, but is it in any way true? Probably depends on the premise and preconceived notions one adheres to.

Dispensationalists do not believe that there is a way to God outside of faith in Christ. We've been over this, and I think this is the mistaken preconceived notion you continue to propagate, and unfortunately, it's no way accurate. What we know from Paul's writings is that there remains a covenantal status (based on Romans 11:28-29) between Jews (i.e. descendants of Abraham) and God. Does that mean Jews are saved, if they remain a "chosen" people? No, and I think you will have a difficult time finding any mainstream dispensationalists who hold that belief.

However, from the very beginning, God had a plan of redemption in mind for humanity, and He needed a people group through which to work it out. Abraham and his descendants were chosen to be that means by which the whole world would be able to be saved. They were chosen to bring the messiah to Earth. This was the ultimately purpose of the Abrahamic Covenant. We also know from Romans 9 and 11 that God still has a plan for those people, and that God does not break is covenants.

Does that mean Jews are part of the elect of God? No. Again, salvation is through Christ alone. But it also doesn't mean that God has broken his covenant or does not have a plan for Jews. Indeed, we know he does from Romans.

We also know that the land of Israel - the site of Christ's ministry and death - will always be a holy land for Christians, and should hold a special place of importance, which is why those who say we should just let it rot or be destroyed are so foolish.

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So let me get this right, if Christians don't adhere to a modern dual covenant theology that wasn't widely accepted until the 1950s, then they must be in favor of letting the Holy lands rot or be destroyed?!
The vast majority of Christians don't buy into dispensationalism...so they're providing red meat to antisemites?

I think it is dubious to say that the modern day nation of Israel established in 1948, rather than ethnic Israel, is the EXACT same Old-Testament Israel. Modern Israel is in no way ancient Israel. Modern Jews are not sons of Abraham. In Galatians 3, Paul says the Abrahamic promise is to a singular seed, and identifies that seed as Christ. And then he draws the necessary conclusion: those who are in Christ are Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise. Demonstrating that the inheritance flows through union with the one Seed.

You said " Again, salvation is through Christ alone. But it also doesn't mean that God has broken his covenant or does not have a plan for Jews."
That doesn't make sense. How could there by any other plan for Jews than Christ?

43 " Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" Matthew 21:43

See Galatians 4:21-31 as well: Paul defines the true Jerusalem as "above" and "free," contrasting it with the physical, "enslaved" city of his time. He uses this allegory to teach that believers (both Jew and Gentile) are children of the promise, constituting the true Israel of God through faith in Christ, rather than ethnic descent.

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I wasn't referring to you specifically when I made the comment "we should not let it rot or be destroyed," though obviously, without our defense capabilities, that is much more likely to happen. We all know that Israel is a nation of limited resources, and a full-fledged attack by Arab neighbors could result in its destruction, just because of the sheer numbers. And of course, you have spoken very negatively about the Israeli govt., which at least seems to imply you are in favor of no longer supporting it. But feel free to correct me if I am misstating your position.

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It will be tricky to keep supporting Israel since we're in the process of being evicted from the region.

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Do you want to bet? Happy to take that more of your money.

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You haven't taken any and shouldn't expect to, given your record.

Just IN:— US is preparing for ground invasion of Iran's Kharg Island which is responsible for about 90% of Iran's oil exports.

— South Asia Index (@SouthAsiaIndex) March 13, 2026

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Batting a 1.000 against you.

Wait and see.

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Yup. Next question

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Appreciate the honesty, and am not surprised in the least. We will make you down as someone who hates Israel more than you love your country and conservative ideals.

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All you did was ask if I still support him. Which I do. He speaks many truths and I wish him the best.

However, I will not be voting blue this November. I live in a blue area already and I will vote Republican if we have actual patriots on the ballot. I'll just skip the election if it's another neocon running. I'm thinking about getting involved the local GOP though.

We have a lot of leverage in 2026 so Republicans need to shape up big time. The big one is in 2028. I'm seeing more America First candidates come out the woodworks so hopefully that number increases for 2028.

Im founding stock and my family has lived in the same area since my ancestors arrived in Philadelphia back in 1732. We'll take our country back or die trying.

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So you support a guy who is openly campaigning for democrats and wants America to lose the war with Iran? As I said abide, you need much better role models.

As for leverage, I'd submit the anti-Jewish voters aren't as popular or influential as you believe. There's a much larger number of Republican voters on the other side of the spectrum and they're not going to vote for the Fishbacks of the world.

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LMAO. Fuentes just went mainstream last year. You think the Republican Party is going to transform over night? It will take years. Just look at the polling for guys like Fishback among young conservatives to see where things are heading.

In the meantime, take a look at Ohio. It looks like MAGA Vivek lost his lead to Democrat Amy Acton… Groyper curse.

But no you're right. I'll turn to warmongers like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz to be my role models. Standup guys!

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You seem to be suffering under the delusion that when you're young and stupid, your ideas won't change as you get older and wiser. Rest assured, son, they will. You won't always be this glib.

The groypers and Nick Fuentes aren't going to get anywhere. The fringe barks the loudest and is the most obnoxious, but the silent majority by and large doesn't share their extremists views. Could they briefly gain control of the Republican party at some point, in the way the fringe left briefly gained control in 2000? I suppose it's possible

But given the shifting demographics of the country, it's highly unlikely a racist with groyper ideas will come close to gaining the support needed to win a general election. If that ever happened, it would be of course an act of God, and likely an ushering in of the end times. There are just not enough white, Anti-Jewish racists in the country anymore.

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Sure, Jan.

Don't forget how taboo it was for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016

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Fuentes and those of his ilk aren't Trump. Moreover, Trump's not a racist who hates Jews. Gonna be difficult to win when you're a white racist in favor of white supremacy and hate Jewish people.

I'm sure that chaps your hide, Cindy.

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Fuentes is merely a streamer with no intentions of running for public office.

America First/Groyperism is a by-product of MAGA, it's essentially the same ideology with an emphasis on non-interventionism, mainly in the Eastern Hemisphere.

Many Right-Wing candidates/politicians are adopting it.

Take Brandon Herrera from Texas 23rd Congressional District. Majority of his ideas are aligned with America First principles.

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Groyperism is hardly the same ideology as MAGA. MAGA is not white nationalist and racist.

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Not as overtly, but it is.

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Spoken like a true leftist.

LOL