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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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The amount of fear that the Sharia law bogeyman is creating in Texas boggles my mind. Candidates are whipping the sheep into a full throated bleat.

Muslims make up 1.4% of the population of Texas.

If a mosque or a halal grocery store give you the bloody freakout willies just follow The Drag Show Rule: don't go in.

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Agreed. Complete and total bogeyman. Best not to get ahead of this.

I am sure nothing like this could happen in the Western world. Well, except all over Europe of course...

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Yep - "equivalency" arguments between the two are utterly laughable. I have yet to hear about any "fundamentalist" Christians brainwashing children to believe that the greatest thing they can do in life is "martyr" themselves while murdering unbelievers.

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You'd best brace yourself. DOD recruitment propaganda is going to surge in the next few years.

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It's Junior. What do you expect? He doesn't even live in the country lol

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maybe you should work a little harder in your school work or cube farm, there little hater! I do pay a lot of US taxes , there pal and what a effing bargain that its. Did I mention the ridiculous HC I pay in the US? Rent? Own lots of hard assets in the US, Insurance on 3 cars. Provide 450 jobs. I think I'm funding my portion of the economy so I'm not really sure how me living somewhere that aint Merca is an issue. Just doing my part to fund Old 83, Assman, and many other taking gov't subsidies. Enjoy Trump and the clown show that our country has turned. You may want to get out of your little texas county sometime. Believe it or not, there is life for you after MCC.

yall be some closed mined cats. Sorry for you. Big world out there kids.

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

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yall be some closed mined cats. Sorry for you. Big world out there kids.

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Yeah, we really do all need to be much more open-minded to Sharia law.

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I understand it well and it is frightening. I agree with that. I stated up front, my experience is with one person and I can only speak to her. I'm not a fan of the ME in general. Feel kinda strange in vastly Muslim countries. Unsettling. Dubai and Abu Dhabi are ok, but they are made for everyone but locals. Don't care for cities built in a desert. I'll just go to Big Bend or Palm Springs!

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

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Yeah, but the Moslem's I know from Iran, Algeria and Saudi all say the same thing about those outliers. No where in the Quaran does it say to kill non-believers.

a lot of christians I know will down right drink ya under the table. No judgment , just fact.

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FLBear5630 said:

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hodedofome said:

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J.R. said:

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hodedofome said:

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

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Yeah, but the Moslem's I know from Iran, Algeria and Saudi all say the same thing about those outliers. No where in the Quaran does it say to kill non-believers.

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Do you recall the subject of our conversation? We were discussing fundamentalist Moslems vs. fundamentalist Christians - not "Moslems FLBear knows." Let's try to stay on topic.

When roughly 15-20% off the Moslem population in the world holds fundamentalist views and believes infidels should be killed, that is a real problem. As I said above, you do not find that among the Christian populations because that is not a fundamental Christian belief.

And yes, the Quran does indeed state that nonbelievers should be killed. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Sura 9:5). "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads" (Sura 47:4). "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate" (Sura 9:73). "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan" (Sura 4:76). Who are these idolaters and unbelievers and infidels? Those who are not strict Muslims. "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" (Sura 48:29).

Now, I realize that many non-fundamentalist Moslems try to explain these verses are taken out of context, but that is simply not the case.

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J.R. said:

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hodedofome said:

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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I do know this about Islam:

"Allah" is a term used in Arabic culture going back quite a while before Islam, used to refer to God or god, according to context. This includes polytheistic cults in the region.

( L. Gardet, Allah, Encyclopaedia of Islam, ed. by Sir H.A.R. Gibb, and Gerhard Böwering, God and his Attributes, Encyclopedia of the Qur'an, ed. by Jane Dammen McAuliffe)

Muslims are commanded to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, in order to see The Kaaba. a stone structure regarded as Islam's most holy place, and which Muslims are required to face when making their five a day prayers. It should be noted that The Kaaba has a stone in the eastern corner known as the Black Stone (or al-ajar al-Aswad). The stone, which dates back to before Islamic times, is regarded as holy and pilgrims are commanded to revere it, and if possible, to kiss it.


Kaaba | Definition, Interior, Black Stone, & Fact | Britannica


The conquests by Muslim leaders is well known, of course, and needs no further comment here, as is the case with Muslim extremism.


We are not talking about a faith based on foundations compatible with Christianity.

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

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Yeah, but the Moslem's I know from Iran, Algeria and Saudi all say the same thing about those outliers. No where in the Quaran does it say to kill non-believers.

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The Quran has these verses:

Regarding those who turn away from or reject Islam:

" They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."

Surah An-Nisa Ayat 89

" And let not those who disbelieve think they will escape. Indeed, they will not cause failure [to Allah]."

Surah Al-Anfal Ayat 59

" And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

Surah At-Taubah Ayat 5

" Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Surah At-Taubah Ayat 29

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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Absolutely. And the percentage, worldwide, of Muslims that self identify as "religious extremists" is like 30%+ if I remember right. But it is much, much lower in the United States.

A casual glance around, plus a basic understanding of the reasons most Middle Eastern Muslims immigrated (fled) to the United States, will tell you that American Muslims are very different from Middle Eastern Muslims.

I should have explained better about the family. I know other Muslims,comparing? But they are the most religious, take trips to the Middle East, etc. One of the main things I've heard the mom telling everyone is "be nice to yourself." It's her general life advice. The Taliban is not saying that, nomsayin?

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hodedofome said:

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Yes, Muhammad was visited by an angel of light in a cave, who preached a different gospel to him than the one preached by Paul and the apostles.

So, in other words, satan.

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."
Galatians 1:8-9 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/gal.1.8-9.NKJV

Ok, you believe they follow Satan based on your fundamental believes.

If we are going to discuss religion shouldn't it be from an objective spot? Your believes are fine for you.. Millions of Moslems disagree with your assessment.

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

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His post is probably a reference to the Crusades and if it is, he has the incorrect view that a lot of people have been mis-educated to think, which is that the Crusades were all about the "evil" European Christians attacking and pillaging the poor peaceful Muslims who were just sitting there minding their own business. If anyone takes the time to actually study that history, it is clear they were defensive wars intended to keep Western Europe from being overrun by Muslims and forced to convert to Islam. Yes, a lot of savagery and violence happened on both sides (that's the way wars are) but it's crock that they were unprovoked wars of aggression on the part of European Christians.

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Geez, you guys are extremist. No one said " that the Crusades were all about the "evil" European Christians attacking and pillaging the poor peaceful Muslims who were just sitting there minding their own business."

I said Christians have a history of killing those that don't believe as well. I didn't go in to justification, talk to the Moslems. They believe they are justified as well. Just to take the argument that Moslems need to kill non-believers. The Quaran does not call for that, but the Bible does. Did that give the Moslems the right of pre-emption? We are now arguing that pre-emptive attacks are justified. Moslems reading the Bible could easily say we have to get them first.

Chronicles - "And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman."

Luke - "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.'" (There are others)

Also, it is not just the Crusades. Witch Trials, German Peasant Revolt where Luther said to kill them, Indigenous people around the Globe, etc...

Fundamentalism of ANY side is a problem.

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

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His post is probably a reference to the Crusades and if it is, he has the incorrect view that a lot of people have been mis-educated to think, which is that the Crusades were all about the "evil" European Christians attacking and pillaging the poor peaceful Muslims who were just sitting there minding their own business. If anyone takes the time to actually study that history, it is clear they were defensive wars intended to keep Western Europe from being overrun by Muslims and forced to convert to Islam. Yes, a lot of savagery and violence happened on both sides (that's the way wars are) but it's crock that they were unprovoked wars of aggression on the part of European Christians.

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Fundamentalism of ANY side is a problem.

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This is where you err. Fundamentalist Christians were not the problem in the crusades. Fundamentalist Christians do not kill others.

Fundamentalist Moslems are commanded to do so.

That is the point you're missing, as I tried to explain above.

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

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His post is probably a reference to the Crusades and if it is, he has the incorrect view that a lot of people have been mis-educated to think, which is that the Crusades were all about the "evil" European Christians attacking and pillaging the poor peaceful Muslims who were just sitting there minding their own business. If anyone takes the time to actually study that history, it is clear they were defensive wars intended to keep Western Europe from being overrun by Muslims and forced to convert to Islam. Yes, a lot of savagery and violence happened on both sides (that's the way wars are) but it's crock that they were unprovoked wars of aggression on the part of European Christians.

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Fundamentalism of ANY side is a problem.

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This is where you err. Fundamentalist Christians were not the problem in the crusades. Fundamentalist Christians do not kill others.

Fundamentalist Moslems are commanded to do so.

That is the point you're missing, as I tried to explain above.

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err? I didn't cast blame on either.

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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hodedofome said:

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J.R. said:

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hodedofome said:

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Porteroso said:

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

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Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

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I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

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Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

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His post is probably a reference to the Crusades and if it is, he has the incorrect view that a lot of people have been mis-educated to think, which is that the Crusades were all about the "evil" European Christians attacking and pillaging the poor peaceful Muslims who were just sitting there minding their own business. If anyone takes the time to actually study that history, it is clear they were defensive wars intended to keep Western Europe from being overrun by Muslims and forced to convert to Islam. Yes, a lot of savagery and violence happened on both sides (that's the way wars are) but it's crock that they were unprovoked wars of aggression on the part of European Christians.

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Fundamentalism of ANY side is a problem.

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This is where you err. Fundamentalist Christians were not the problem in the crusades. Fundamentalist Christians do not kill others.

Fundamentalist Moslems are commanded to do so.

That is the point you're missing, as I tried to explain above.

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err? I didn't cast blame on either.

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Do you know that the verse you cited in Luke was Jesus speaking in parable?

Context is lost on some.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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hodedofome said:

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J.R. said:

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hodedofome said:

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Porteroso said:

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

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So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

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These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

---

Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

---

I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

---

Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

---

I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

---

His post is probably a reference to the Crusades and if it is, he has the incorrect view that a lot of people have been mis-educated to think, which is that the Crusades were all about the "evil" European Christians attacking and pillaging the poor peaceful Muslims who were just sitting there minding their own business. If anyone takes the time to actually study that history, it is clear they were defensive wars intended to keep Western Europe from being overrun by Muslims and forced to convert to Islam. Yes, a lot of savagery and violence happened on both sides (that's the way wars are) but it's crock that they were unprovoked wars of aggression on the part of European Christians.

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Fundamentalism of ANY side is a problem.

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This is where you err. Fundamentalist Christians were not the problem in the crusades. Fundamentalist Christians do not kill others.

Fundamentalist Moslems are commanded to do so.

That is the point you're missing, as I tried to explain above.

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err? I didn't cast blame on either.

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Do you know that the verse you cited in Luke was Jesus speaking in parable?

Context is lost on some.

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You get the point. I am not debating Bible study. I am showing that context might be lost on the opposing side. You know it, do the Jews know it? Do the Moslems know it? Do our enemies know it? There are many confrontations over one side or the other not understanding context. As I said, I was not saying one side is right or wrong.

FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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hodedofome said:

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J.R. said:

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hodedofome said:

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Porteroso said:

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

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They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

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We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

---

So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

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Follow Satan????

---

These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

---

Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

---

I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

---

Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

---

I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

---

His post is probably a reference to the Crusades and if it is, he has the incorrect view that a lot of people have been mis-educated to think, which is that the Crusades were all about the "evil" European Christians attacking and pillaging the poor peaceful Muslims who were just sitting there minding their own business. If anyone takes the time to actually study that history, it is clear they were defensive wars intended to keep Western Europe from being overrun by Muslims and forced to convert to Islam. Yes, a lot of savagery and violence happened on both sides (that's the way wars are) but it's crock that they were unprovoked wars of aggression on the part of European Christians.

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Fundamentalism of ANY side is a problem.

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This is where you err. Fundamentalist Christians were not the problem in the crusades. Fundamentalist Christians do not kill others.

Fundamentalist Moslems are commanded to do so.

That is the point you're missing, as I tried to explain above.

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err? I didn't cast blame on either.

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Do you know that the verse you cited in Luke was Jesus speaking in parable?

Context is lost on some.

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You get the point. I am not debating Bible study. I am showing that context might be lost on the opposing side. You know it, do the Jews know it? Do the Moslems know it? Do our enemies know it? There are many confrontations over one side or the other not understanding context. As I said, I was not saying one side is right or wrong.

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Your error was focusing on 'fundamentalist'. That word leads to assumptions.

The Amish, after all, are a form of fundamentalist Christian, yet they would scarcely be guilty of promoting violence.

Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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hodedofome said:

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J.R. said:

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hodedofome said:

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Porteroso said:

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Extremist rhetoric like that does need to be dealt with. It is threatening. But American Muslins are just not like that for the most part.

I know one family of Muslims, and they are very kind. They would get eaten alive by the zealots in the Middle East.

---

They are probably more agnostic than Muslim then.

And I don't know how you can speak for American Muslims by just knowing 1 family.

All you need is a very small, but vocal, and violent, minority of radical Muslims and they will rule over everyone else.

---

We can only speak from our own experiences . One of my best friends is Muslim (Muslim Lite as she says) is of Pakistani decent, but was raised in Calgary and Singapore. Came to Dallas to SMU for MBA. Undergrad McGill. She ended up being a c-suite executive a a little cosmetics company based in Dallas. All that to say is that she is one of the finest humans I know, irrespective of religion.

---

So let's give all the power to some crazy people following Satan into the end times because you know a nice lady.

---

Follow Satan????

---

These fundamentalists actually think Allah is the devil. One of many facts I've learned in this ideological funhouse of a forum.

---

Oh fundamentalist Christians. I thought fundamentalist Moslems! Well, same answer for either. The fringes are always extremist. The only problem is when they get in power, like Iran for Moslems and I will let you fill in the blank for Christians...

---

I think you're missing a tiny little difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Moslems. The former doesn't murder unbelievers.

---

Oh don't sell Christian short, we have a rather spectacular history of killing people that don't believe in what we do.

---

I suppose it depends on what you mean by fundamentalist Christian. I would submit that misguided people who claimed to be Christian violated Christ's commands several hundred years ago. But people who are true followers of Christ and adhere to his commands (i.e. fundamentalists) have not, and do not kill people.

Devout and fundamentalist Muslims, on the other hand, must do so, as that is what their religion commands.

Therein lies the difference. So your statement is just demonstrably false.

---

His post is probably a reference to the Crusades and if it is, he has the incorrect view that a lot of people have been mis-educated to think, which is that the Crusades were all about the "evil" European Christians attacking and pillaging the poor peaceful Muslims who were just sitting there minding their own business. If anyone takes the time to actually study that history, it is clear they were defensive wars intended to keep Western Europe from being overrun by Muslims and forced to convert to Islam. Yes, a lot of savagery and violence happened on both sides (that's the way wars are) but it's crock that they were unprovoked wars of aggression on the part of European Christians.

---

Fundamentalism of ANY side is a problem.

---

This is where you err. Fundamentalist Christians were not the problem in the crusades. Fundamentalist Christians do not kill others.

Fundamentalist Moslems are commanded to do so.

That is the point you're missing, as I tried to explain above.

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err? I didn't cast blame on either.

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Do you know that the verse you cited in Luke was Jesus speaking in parable?

Context is lost on some.

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More times than not it's "lost" on purpose in an attempt to come up with so called "gotchas" - which I believe is also the case here.

That is not even worth responding.

You guys are ridiculous. You don't see how a Moslem reading those versus could take it out of context?

Why are you arguing the meaning when the point is the way people OUTSIDE your group can take it. Same with the Moslems are supposed to kill all non-believers. The VAST majority of Moslems do not take it the way you do.

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That is not even worth responding.

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Why not? You have something against the Amish?

Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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That is not even worth responding.

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Why not? You have something against the Amish?

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No, because one group not being violent doesn't negate the point