The Handmaid's Tale Marchers

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Bruisers Burner Phone
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Just so worn out and stupid. Do these people live in such a small, sheltered world that they think dressing up like a character in a mediocre post-apocalyptic novel is somehow meaningful or effective? It's like someone somewhere bought 20 of those stupid costumes and mails them around the country for women to wear at any left-coded public event.
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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

Just so worn out and stupid. Do these people live in such a small, sheltered world that they think dressing up like a character in a mediocre post-apocalyptic novel is somehow meaningful or effective? It's like someone somewhere bought 20 of those stupid costumes and mails them around the country for women to wear at any left-coded public event.

Costumes are cheap.

For those who can't afford NIL related college football tickets.

My costime is Tonto.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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What color was 47's - red or rainbow? And how many times did JR hit on him.
historian
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The worst part is when these crazy women March in support of the Iranian regime. Under their tyranny (sharia), women literally have no rights, are the property of their husbands, and essentially are slaves. No American women face anything remotely like that unless they are sex slaves imported through Biden's open borders. If ICE finds them, they are rescued.

As usual, the Leftists have it all wrong, the opposite of reality.
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historian said:

The worst part is when these crazy women March in support of the Iranian regime. Under their tyranny (sharia), women literally have no rights, are the property of their husbands, and essentially are slaves.
That's not true.
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

The worst part is when these crazy women March in support of the Iranian regime. Under their tyranny (sharia), women literally have no rights, are the property of their husbands, and essentially are slaves.
That's not true.


From AI:
Key aspects of the legal system that limit women's autonomy include:
Mobility Controls: Married women require their husband's written permission to obtain a passport and travel outside the country.
Domicile and Work: The husband may determine where the couple lives, and in some interpretations, can prevent his wife from taking a job if it contradicts the family's welfare or his interests.
Family Structure: Men are the legal heads of households, with exclusive guardianship over children.
Legal Subordination: The Civil Code requires women to satisfy sexual needs, and refusal can lead to losing maintenance payments.

These laws are part of a broader system of legal guardianship where women's rights to divorce, custody, and inheritance are significantly lower than men's.
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

The worst part is when these crazy women March in support of the Iranian regime. Under their tyranny (sharia), women literally have no rights, are the property of their husbands, and essentially are slaves.
That's not true.

Which part is not true?
The Leftists supporting Iran? There have been numerous reports of that, generally illogical. I've seen some of them interviewed and they are completely clueless about who they are supporting. It's the same as the "Queers for Palestine" morons.
Or sharia law denying basic rights to women and denying them basic justice? That's been widely documented for many years. Anyone remotely familiar with sharia knows that.

Both parts cdd as n be seen clearly by doing some basic research. Heck, even some of the Leftist propaganda outlets have engaged in some "accidental journalism" by reporting such facts.
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Iranian women aren't slaves or property. They have rights, but not all the same rights that men have. The same was true of European and American women until relatively recently.
historian
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Under sharia, women are not much better off than slaves. They are little more than the property of the men in their family. It's very much a 7th century way of thinking with no evolution or progress. But "progressives" never cared much for real progress. They prefer to advance their Marxist agenda and "socialism is slavery."
Osodecentx
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Sam Lowry said:

Iranian women aren't slaves or property. They have rights, but not all the same rights that men have. The same was true of European and American women until relatively recently.


Iranian law:
Mobility Controls: Married women require their husband's written permission to obtain a passport and travel outside the country.
Domicile and Work: The husband may determine where the couple lives, and in some interpretations, can prevent his wife from taking a job if it contradicts the family's welfare or his interests.
historian
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Anyone genuinely interested in women's rights under sharia should look at how they treat rape victims.

Sharia is completely incompatible with true feminism. But modern "feminists" have no problem with that because their "feminism" is focused primarily on killing babies, as many as possible.
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Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

The worst part is when these crazy women March in support of the Iranian regime. Under their tyranny (sharia), women literally have no rights, are the property of their husbands, and essentially are slaves.

That's not true.


From AI:
Key aspects of the legal system that limit women's autonomy include:
Mobility Controls: Married women require their husband's written permission to obtain a passport and travel outside the country.
Domicile and Work: The husband may determine where the couple lives, and in some interpretations, can prevent his wife from taking a job if it contradicts the family's welfare or his interests.
Family Structure: Men are the legal heads of households, with exclusive guardianship over children.
Legal Subordination: The Civil Code requires women to satisfy sexual needs, and refusal can lead to losing maintenance payments.

These laws are part of a broader system of legal guardianship where women's rights to divorce, custody, and inheritance are significantly lower than men's.

Bingo. So weird to see people who allegedly value freedom apologizing for the Islamists.
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Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

Iranian women aren't slaves or property. They have rights, but not all the same rights that men have. The same was true of European and American women until relatively recently.


Iranian law:
Mobility Controls: Married women require their husband's written permission to obtain a passport and travel outside the country.
Domicile and Work: The husband may determine where the couple lives, and in some interpretations, can prevent his wife from taking a job if it contradicts the family's welfare or his interests.

Fight the good fight against the apologists.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Iranian women aren't slaves or property. They have rights, but not all the same rights that men have. The same was true of European and American women until relatively recently.

More equivalency at its finest.

You think the Iranians are bad, well just look at the US during the 1700s!
Sam Lowry
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historian said:

Under sharia, women are not much better off than slaves. They are little more than the property of the men in their family. It's very much a 7th century way of thinking with no evolution or progress. But "progressives" never cared much for real progress. They prefer to advance their Marxist agenda and "socialism is slavery."

Those are your opinions as an American with a thoroughly American worldview. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Iran adopt a more Western model of government, but the US has made it clear that will not be tolerated. Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.
Mothra
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Historian, you silly American! How ethnocentric of you to believe that treating a woman little better than a slave is somehow objectively wrong!
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Under sharia, women are not much better off than slaves. They are little more than the property of the men in their family. It's very much a 7th century way of thinking with no evolution or progress. But "progressives" never cared much for real progress. They prefer to advance their Marxist agenda and "socialism is slavery."

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Iran adopt a more Western model of government, but the US has made it clear that will not be tolerated.

You spout more utter bull**** on these boards than any other poster.

And that is quite an accomplishment.
Robert Wilson
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Sam Lowry said:

Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.

Lmao. Many Iranians will be relieved to find out that they do not have a corrupt dictatorship.
Mothra
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Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.

Lmao. Many Iranians will be relieved to find out that they do not have a corrupt dictatorship.

Indeed.
historian
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Actually, it's not an opinion it's an understanding of what sharia law actually is, particularly in the treatment of women. That's fact.
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Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.

Lmao. Many Iranians will be relieved to find out that they do not have a corrupt dictatorship.

That's why hundreds of thousands Iranians protested against their benevolent govt, which then slaughtered 30-40k (or more) of them.
Sam Lowry
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historian said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.

Lmao. Many Iranians will be relieved to find out that they do not have a corrupt dictatorship.

That's why hundreds of thousands Iranians protested against their benevolent govt, which then slaughtered 30-40k (or more) of them.

Which also never happened.
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.

Lmao. Many Iranians will be relieved to find out that they do not have a corrupt dictatorship.

That's why hundreds of thousands Iranians protested against their benevolent govt, which then slaughtered 30-40k (or more) of them.

Which also never happened.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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historian said:

The worst part is when these crazy women March in support of the Iranian regime. Under their tyranny (sharia), women literally have no rights, are the property of their husbands, and essentially are slaves. No American women face anything remotely like that unless they are sex slaves imported through Biden's open borders. If ICE finds them, they are rescued.

As usual, the Leftists have it all wrong, the opposite of reality.

Pretty darn accurate. No sensible person would deny that
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Under sharia, women are not much better off than slaves. They are little more than the property of the men in their family. It's very much a 7th century way of thinking with no evolution or progress. But "progressives" never cared much for real progress. They prefer to advance their Marxist agenda and "socialism is slavery."

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Iran adopt a more Western model of government, but the US has made it clear that will not be tolerated.

You spout more utter bull**** on these boards than any other poster.

And that is quite an accomplishment.

Sam is still thinking that we get paid for clickthrough's here
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Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.

Lmao. Many Iranians will be relieved to find out that they do not have a corrupt dictatorship.

That's why hundreds of thousands Iranians protested against their benevolent govt, which then slaughtered 30-40k (or more) of them.

Which also never happened.

At least 6,000 confirmed, 17,000 under investigation, for a total of 22,000.

But a mere 22,000 means the Iranians aren't nearly as bad as we believe, right?

You are an absolute clown.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead

Disappeared bodies, mass burials and '30,000 dead': what is the truth of Iran's death toll?

Testimony from medics, morgue and graveyard staff reveals huge state effort to conceal systematic killing of protesters.

On Thursday 8 January, in a midsize Iranian town, Dr Ahmadi's* phone began to buzz. His colleagues in local emergency wards were getting worried.

All week, people had taken to the streets and had been met by police with batons and pellet guns. With treatment, their injuries should not have been too serious. But emergency room staff believed many wounded young people were avoiding hospitals, terrified that registering as trauma patients would lead to their identification and arrest.

Quietly, Ahmadi [who remains anonymous due to fear of reprisals, but whose identity, credentials and presence within Iran during the unrest have been verified by the Guardian] and his wife began treating patients at a location outside Iran's government hospital system. Alerted by a local whisper network, wounded young people flocked to them. Mostly, they brought superficial injuries laceration wounds needing stitches and antibiotics. As Thursday evening wore on, more and more arrived to be patched up.

The next day, everything abruptly changed. Protesters kept coming, but their injuries were close-range gunshots and severe stab wounds, typically to the chest, eyes and genitals. Many proved fatal.
Ahmadi was shocked by the number being killed more than 40 in his small town alone but with the internet blacked out, no one knew what the national picture was. To piece it together, Ahmadi assembled a network of more than 80 medical professionals across 12 of Iran's 31 provinces to share observations and data, and to build a clearer picture of the violence.

Quote:

They've mass murdered people. No one can imagine … I saw just blood, blood and blood

Their observations, shared with the Guardian and combined with accounts from morgues and graveyards across the country, begin to reveal the vast scale of violence inflicted on Iranians during the state's crackdown. Ahmadi and his colleagues are hesitant to provide a figure for the toll but agree "all publicly cited death tolls represent a severe underestimation". Comparing the number of dead they witnessed with hospital baselines, they estimate it could exceed 30,000, far surpassing official figures. This is based on the conclusion that "officially registered deaths related to the crackdown likely represent less than 10% of the real number of fatalities".

Estimates of the number killed vary substantially, hampered by the ongoing internet shutdown. The Iranian government has acknowledged more than 3,000 dead, and the US-based organisation HRANA (Human Rights Activists News Agency), whose figures have been reliable during previous crackdowns, says it has verified more than 6,000 dead and has more than 17,000 more recorded deaths under investigation, giving a possible total of about 22,000. Other estimates from doctors based outside Iran range up to 33,000 or more.
Testimony from morgues, graveyards and hospitals around the country reveal concerted efforts by authorities to conceal the true size of the toll: bodies being transported in ice-cream vans and meat trucks; piles of the dead being hastily buried; and hundreds of bodies apparently disappearing from Iran's network of forensic facilities.

The language Ahmadi uses is measured and clinical, but he is brought to tears describing the violence the doctors documented. "From a medical standpoint, the injuries we observed demonstrate a brutality without limit both in scale and in method," he says. Another doctor, who is based in Tehran, tells the Guardian: "I am on the verge of a psychological collapse. They've mass murdered people. No one can imagine … I saw just blood, blood and blood."

Across Iran in morgues and cemeteries, the bodies piled up overwhelming many hospitals and forensic units, which were forced to turn trucks filled with corpses away. Graveyard and forensic medical staff describe chaos, with reports of authorities pushing for fast, mass burials to conceal the number dead.

At one morgue, staff say they were confronted with several trucks loaded with bodies, far exceeding the facility's refrigeration and storage capacity. When staff protested that they could not process the volume of corpses, two trucks loaded with the dead were moved elsewhere but when the morgue workers tried to track down where the bodies had been taken, they found none of the large forensic facilities in the region had received them. The doctors "expressed suspicion that this was linked to dafn-e dast-e jam'i [mass burial]".


Ahmadi's network found at least seven other colleagues from forensic facilities across four large provinces who reported similar experiences. Verified video from Kahrizak morgue in Tehran shows similar scenes, including what appear to be hundreds of bodies laid out in the street outside the facility.

The Guardian also spoke to three witnesses who independently described a push for mass burials and piles of hundreds of bodies at a large graveyard (Behesht-e Sakineh) in the city of Karaj, 30 miles (50km) west of Tehran.

In a written account shared with the Guardian, Reza*, a witness who says he was present at Behesht-e Sakineh, says: "On January 10 and 11, they brought in hundreds of bodies which were said to be unclaimed and unidentified." Many of the dead, he says, were transported in small pickup trucks typically used for fruit and vegetables, and not all were sealed in body bags.

"These vehicles make dozens of trips back and forth from storage facilities … I have seen bodies in these trucks so stuck together it required strength to pull them apart. The blood was still fresh and dried up when they overcrowded them in piles."

His description is echoed by Ahmadi and his network, who say they observed a pattern across multiple towns of "refrigerated trucks normally used for ice-cream or meat" that were "moving in convoys to forensic medicine facilities and hospital back entrances".

One witness at Behesht-e Sakineh, who was granted access to the site to look for the body of a friend, says he personally searched through hundreds of "stacked" bodies and was told by graveyard staff that they had "received thousands of bodies just in the past two days".

Staff told him that "the order was to bury these bodies in mass graves," but many refused, afraid of reprisals. He relayed one staff member saying: "I am frightened to do that, because people … will eventually come looking for their missing family members and they will kill and bury me as being responsible for these mass graves."

The accounts from Behesht-e Sakineh form just one example of what appears to be a national pattern, with forensic medical staff around the country reporting similar scenes. Doctors and morgue staff emphasise that the types of injuries seen on patients and corpses indicate deliberate, systematic killing and maiming of protesters as opposed to random, chaotic shooting.

In some cases, the killings bore the hallmarks of executions. Medical workers at forensic facilities in two different Iranian towns described receiving bodies with close-range gunshot wounds to the head that had been transferred from hospital morgues while still attached to catheters, nasogastric tubes or endotracheal tubes.
"This is highly suspicious," Ahmadi says. "As a rule, foreign medical instruments are removed after death. Their presence suggests that these individuals died while still under active medical care."


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historian said:

Actually, it's not an opinion it's an understanding of what sharia law actually is, particularly in the treatment of women. That's fact.

No, historian, you are an American bound by an American worldview. Genocide Sam has shed that American coil and transcended to a higher state of understanding.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.

Lmao. Many Iranians will be relieved to find out that they do not have a corrupt dictatorship.

That's why hundreds of thousands Iranians protested against their benevolent govt, which then slaughtered 30-40k (or more) of them.

Which also never happened.

At least 6,000 confirmed, 17,000 under investigation, for a total of 22,000.

But a mere 22,000 means the Iranians aren't nearly as bad as we believe, right?

You are an absolute clown.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead

Disappeared bodies, mass burials and '30,000 dead': what is the truth of Iran's death toll?

Testimony from medics, morgue and graveyard staff reveals huge state effort to conceal systematic killing of protesters.

On Thursday 8 January, in a midsize Iranian town, Dr Ahmadi's* phone began to buzz. His colleagues in local emergency wards were getting worried.

All week, people had taken to the streets and had been met by police with batons and pellet guns. With treatment, their injuries should not have been too serious. But emergency room staff believed many wounded young people were avoiding hospitals, terrified that registering as trauma patients would lead to their identification and arrest.

Quietly, Ahmadi [who remains anonymous due to fear of reprisals, but whose identity, credentials and presence within Iran during the unrest have been verified by the Guardian] and his wife began treating patients at a location outside Iran's government hospital system. Alerted by a local whisper network, wounded young people flocked to them. Mostly, they brought superficial injuries laceration wounds needing stitches and antibiotics. As Thursday evening wore on, more and more arrived to be patched up.

The next day, everything abruptly changed. Protesters kept coming, but their injuries were close-range gunshots and severe stab wounds, typically to the chest, eyes and genitals. Many proved fatal.
Ahmadi was shocked by the number being killed more than 40 in his small town alone but with the internet blacked out, no one knew what the national picture was. To piece it together, Ahmadi assembled a network of more than 80 medical professionals across 12 of Iran's 31 provinces to share observations and data, and to build a clearer picture of the violence.

Quote:

They've mass murdered people. No one can imagine … I saw just blood, blood and blood

Their observations, shared with the Guardian and combined with accounts from morgues and graveyards across the country, begin to reveal the vast scale of violence inflicted on Iranians during the state's crackdown. Ahmadi and his colleagues are hesitant to provide a figure for the toll but agree "all publicly cited death tolls represent a severe underestimation". Comparing the number of dead they witnessed with hospital baselines, they estimate it could exceed 30,000, far surpassing official figures. This is based on the conclusion that "officially registered deaths related to the crackdown likely represent less than 10% of the real number of fatalities".

Estimates of the number killed vary substantially, hampered by the ongoing internet shutdown. The Iranian government has acknowledged more than 3,000 dead, and the US-based organisation HRANA (Human Rights Activists News Agency), whose figures have been reliable during previous crackdowns, says it has verified more than 6,000 dead and has more than 17,000 more recorded deaths under investigation, giving a possible total of about 22,000. Other estimates from doctors based outside Iran range up to 33,000 or more.
Testimony from morgues, graveyards and hospitals around the country reveal concerted efforts by authorities to conceal the true size of the toll: bodies being transported in ice-cream vans and meat trucks; piles of the dead being hastily buried; and hundreds of bodies apparently disappearing from Iran's network of forensic facilities.

The language Ahmadi uses is measured and clinical, but he is brought to tears describing the violence the doctors documented. "From a medical standpoint, the injuries we observed demonstrate a brutality without limit both in scale and in method," he says. Another doctor, who is based in Tehran, tells the Guardian: "I am on the verge of a psychological collapse. They've mass murdered people. No one can imagine … I saw just blood, blood and blood."

Across Iran in morgues and cemeteries, the bodies piled up overwhelming many hospitals and forensic units, which were forced to turn trucks filled with corpses away. Graveyard and forensic medical staff describe chaos, with reports of authorities pushing for fast, mass burials to conceal the number dead.

At one morgue, staff say they were confronted with several trucks loaded with bodies, far exceeding the facility's refrigeration and storage capacity. When staff protested that they could not process the volume of corpses, two trucks loaded with the dead were moved elsewhere but when the morgue workers tried to track down where the bodies had been taken, they found none of the large forensic facilities in the region had received them. The doctors "expressed suspicion that this was linked to dafn-e dast-e jam'i [mass burial]".


Ahmadi's network found at least seven other colleagues from forensic facilities across four large provinces who reported similar experiences. Verified video from Kahrizak morgue in Tehran shows similar scenes, including what appear to be hundreds of bodies laid out in the street outside the facility.

The Guardian also spoke to three witnesses who independently described a push for mass burials and piles of hundreds of bodies at a large graveyard (Behesht-e Sakineh) in the city of Karaj, 30 miles (50km) west of Tehran.

In a written account shared with the Guardian, Reza*, a witness who says he was present at Behesht-e Sakineh, says: "On January 10 and 11, they brought in hundreds of bodies which were said to be unclaimed and unidentified." Many of the dead, he says, were transported in small pickup trucks typically used for fruit and vegetables, and not all were sealed in body bags.

"These vehicles make dozens of trips back and forth from storage facilities … I have seen bodies in these trucks so stuck together it required strength to pull them apart. The blood was still fresh and dried up when they overcrowded them in piles."

His description is echoed by Ahmadi and his network, who say they observed a pattern across multiple towns of "refrigerated trucks normally used for ice-cream or meat" that were "moving in convoys to forensic medicine facilities and hospital back entrances".

One witness at Behesht-e Sakineh, who was granted access to the site to look for the body of a friend, says he personally searched through hundreds of "stacked" bodies and was told by graveyard staff that they had "received thousands of bodies just in the past two days".

Staff told him that "the order was to bury these bodies in mass graves," but many refused, afraid of reprisals. He relayed one staff member saying: "I am frightened to do that, because people … will eventually come looking for their missing family members and they will kill and bury me as being responsible for these mass graves."

The accounts from Behesht-e Sakineh form just one example of what appears to be a national pattern, with forensic medical staff around the country reporting similar scenes. Doctors and morgue staff emphasise that the types of injuries seen on patients and corpses indicate deliberate, systematic killing and maiming of protesters as opposed to random, chaotic shooting.

In some cases, the killings bore the hallmarks of executions. Medical workers at forensic facilities in two different Iranian towns described receiving bodies with close-range gunshot wounds to the head that had been transferred from hospital morgues while still attached to catheters, nasogastric tubes or endotracheal tubes.
"This is highly suspicious," Ahmadi says. "As a rule, foreign medical instruments are removed after death. Their presence suggests that these individuals died while still under active medical care."




Remember Sam's "Walking Corpses in Gaza"? He's simply a contrarian
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Robert Wilson
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Assassin said:

Remember Sam's "Walking Corpses in Gaza"? He's simply a contrarian

Nah, it's worse than that. Sam is among our new modern version of the leftists who supported the Iranian revolution in the 70s. They're just doing it in reverse now, and they're as myopic now as they were then (maybe worse, because at this point we've actually gotten to see the theocratic regime in action).
Mothra
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Robert Wilson said:

Assassin said:

Remember Sam's "Walking Corpses in Gaza"? He's simply a contrarian

Nah, it's worse than that. Sam is among our new modern version of the leftists who supported the Iranian revolution in the 70s. They're just doing it in reverse now, and they're as myopic now as they were then (maybe worse, because at this point we've actually gotten to see the theocratic regime in action).

Sam has always had a soft spot for Iran, which is of course consistent with the soft spot he has for other anti-US dictatorships and authoritarian regimes (see Venezuela, Russia).
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

Given the choice between a corrupt dictatorship and an Islamic republic, it's not surprising that they've chosen the latter.

Lmao. Many Iranians will be relieved to find out that they do not have a corrupt dictatorship.

That's why hundreds of thousands Iranians protested against their benevolent govt, which then slaughtered 30-40k (or more) of them.

Which also never happened.

At least 6,000 confirmed, 17,000 under investigation, for a total of 22,000.

But a mere 22,000 means the Iranians aren't nearly as bad as we believe, right?

You are an absolute clown.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead

Disappeared bodies, mass burials and '30,000 dead': what is the truth of Iran's death toll?

Testimony from medics, morgue and graveyard staff reveals huge state effort to conceal systematic killing of protesters.

On Thursday 8 January, in a midsize Iranian town, Dr Ahmadi's* phone began to buzz. His colleagues in local emergency wards were getting worried.

All week, people had taken to the streets and had been met by police with batons and pellet guns. With treatment, their injuries should not have been too serious. But emergency room staff believed many wounded young people were avoiding hospitals, terrified that registering as trauma patients would lead to their identification and arrest.

Quietly, Ahmadi [who remains anonymous due to fear of reprisals, but whose identity, credentials and presence within Iran during the unrest have been verified by the Guardian] and his wife began treating patients at a location outside Iran's government hospital system. Alerted by a local whisper network, wounded young people flocked to them. Mostly, they brought superficial injuries laceration wounds needing stitches and antibiotics. As Thursday evening wore on, more and more arrived to be patched up.

The next day, everything abruptly changed. Protesters kept coming, but their injuries were close-range gunshots and severe stab wounds, typically to the chest, eyes and genitals. Many proved fatal.
Ahmadi was shocked by the number being killed more than 40 in his small town alone but with the internet blacked out, no one knew what the national picture was. To piece it together, Ahmadi assembled a network of more than 80 medical professionals across 12 of Iran's 31 provinces to share observations and data, and to build a clearer picture of the violence.

Quote:

They've mass murdered people. No one can imagine … I saw just blood, blood and blood

Their observations, shared with the Guardian and combined with accounts from morgues and graveyards across the country, begin to reveal the vast scale of violence inflicted on Iranians during the state's crackdown. Ahmadi and his colleagues are hesitant to provide a figure for the toll but agree "all publicly cited death tolls represent a severe underestimation". Comparing the number of dead they witnessed with hospital baselines, they estimate it could exceed 30,000, far surpassing official figures. This is based on the conclusion that "officially registered deaths related to the crackdown likely represent less than 10% of the real number of fatalities".

Estimates of the number killed vary substantially, hampered by the ongoing internet shutdown. The Iranian government has acknowledged more than 3,000 dead, and the US-based organisation HRANA (Human Rights Activists News Agency), whose figures have been reliable during previous crackdowns, says it has verified more than 6,000 dead and has more than 17,000 more recorded deaths under investigation, giving a possible total of about 22,000. Other estimates from doctors based outside Iran range up to 33,000 or more.
Testimony from morgues, graveyards and hospitals around the country reveal concerted efforts by authorities to conceal the true size of the toll: bodies being transported in ice-cream vans and meat trucks; piles of the dead being hastily buried; and hundreds of bodies apparently disappearing from Iran's network of forensic facilities.

The language Ahmadi uses is measured and clinical, but he is brought to tears describing the violence the doctors documented. "From a medical standpoint, the injuries we observed demonstrate a brutality without limit both in scale and in method," he says. Another doctor, who is based in Tehran, tells the Guardian: "I am on the verge of a psychological collapse. They've mass murdered people. No one can imagine … I saw just blood, blood and blood."

Across Iran in morgues and cemeteries, the bodies piled up overwhelming many hospitals and forensic units, which were forced to turn trucks filled with corpses away. Graveyard and forensic medical staff describe chaos, with reports of authorities pushing for fast, mass burials to conceal the number dead.

At one morgue, staff say they were confronted with several trucks loaded with bodies, far exceeding the facility's refrigeration and storage capacity. When staff protested that they could not process the volume of corpses, two trucks loaded with the dead were moved elsewhere but when the morgue workers tried to track down where the bodies had been taken, they found none of the large forensic facilities in the region had received them. The doctors "expressed suspicion that this was linked to dafn-e dast-e jam'i [mass burial]".


Ahmadi's network found at least seven other colleagues from forensic facilities across four large provinces who reported similar experiences. Verified video from Kahrizak morgue in Tehran shows similar scenes, including what appear to be hundreds of bodies laid out in the street outside the facility.

The Guardian also spoke to three witnesses who independently described a push for mass burials and piles of hundreds of bodies at a large graveyard (Behesht-e Sakineh) in the city of Karaj, 30 miles (50km) west of Tehran.

In a written account shared with the Guardian, Reza*, a witness who says he was present at Behesht-e Sakineh, says: "On January 10 and 11, they brought in hundreds of bodies which were said to be unclaimed and unidentified." Many of the dead, he says, were transported in small pickup trucks typically used for fruit and vegetables, and not all were sealed in body bags.

"These vehicles make dozens of trips back and forth from storage facilities … I have seen bodies in these trucks so stuck together it required strength to pull them apart. The blood was still fresh and dried up when they overcrowded them in piles."

His description is echoed by Ahmadi and his network, who say they observed a pattern across multiple towns of "refrigerated trucks normally used for ice-cream or meat" that were "moving in convoys to forensic medicine facilities and hospital back entrances".

One witness at Behesht-e Sakineh, who was granted access to the site to look for the body of a friend, says he personally searched through hundreds of "stacked" bodies and was told by graveyard staff that they had "received thousands of bodies just in the past two days".

Staff told him that "the order was to bury these bodies in mass graves," but many refused, afraid of reprisals. He relayed one staff member saying: "I am frightened to do that, because people … will eventually come looking for their missing family members and they will kill and bury me as being responsible for these mass graves."

The accounts from Behesht-e Sakineh form just one example of what appears to be a national pattern, with forensic medical staff around the country reporting similar scenes. Doctors and morgue staff emphasise that the types of injuries seen on patients and corpses indicate deliberate, systematic killing and maiming of protesters as opposed to random, chaotic shooting.

In some cases, the killings bore the hallmarks of executions. Medical workers at forensic facilities in two different Iranian towns described receiving bodies with close-range gunshot wounds to the head that had been transferred from hospital morgues while still attached to catheters, nasogastric tubes or endotracheal tubes.
"This is highly suspicious," Ahmadi says. "As a rule, foreign medical instruments are removed after death. Their presence suggests that these individuals died while still under active medical care."



Sam claiming the Iranian regime hasn't mass murdered protesters while claiming definitively there was mass genocide in Gaza.
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No I've studied Islam a bit and know what sharia is.
Robert Wilson
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No I've studied Islam a bit and know what sharia is.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic.

Maybe we should call the Iranian women soccer players why they defected and what happened afterwards to make most of them reverse field. Probably had a lot to do with how well they're treated.
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I should have known.

I think the soccer players were forced to back down because their families were threatened. That's what evil people do.
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No I've studied Islam a bit and know what sharia is.

No one here is a fan of sharia. I'm also not a fan of exaggerated claims designed to gin up war hysteria.
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