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In reply to Doc Holliday • 2:21p, 4/21/26
Doc Holliday said:
Realitybites said:
Redbrickbear said:
The Ivy League is finally waking up the problems and rot in academia

We can assume it will only take Baylor a decade or so to catch up and realize a course correction is needed



First they got rid of the head coverings.
Then they got rid of the hymnals.
Then they got rid of the pews.
Then they got rid of morality.
Then they got rid of Christianity.

Neither evangelicalism nor its partner institutions are going to survive what is coming. An institution like Yale can drift into heresy and course correct because it divorced itself from its heritage generations ago. An institution like Baylor was never supposed to drift into heresy. The insertion of wokeness because secular society did it will be the poison pill that destroys it all.

Evangelical and Baptist denominations will eventually align with secularism, mirroring the trajectory of mainline Protestantism. This shift is a matter of when, not if. The evolution of Baylor University's identity serves as a case study: a wealthy institution that once believed itself immune to this trend has ultimately embraced it

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In reply to BluesBear • 2:28p, 4/21/26
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BUDOS said:
Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

That's for a discussion in a class room to examine - you don't allow the filth on your campus. I don't take my son to a strip club to teach him that isn't the right lifestyle....

To answer an earlier question. When students apply to Baylor, they recognize its a fundamental Christian (or used to be) environment and thus they should expect those sort of values to be expressed in everything the school, teachers, etc. do.....thinking we should allow an organization on campus that thinks letting a man put his weiner up another man's butt and that's ok - - - that's just sick and those people need to be checked into an institution...

So admissions should look for wieners in butts?. Your statement of exclusion is contrary to Christ's radical hospitality.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 2:34p, 4/21/26
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Johnny Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
Johnny Bear said:
TexasScientist said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
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LIB,MR BEARS said:
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BaylorHistory said:
Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

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Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.


He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

My point was sarcasm at 83's comment. He didn't think prior to 86 Baylor would allow a controversial or left leaning "non-aligned" person speak at Baylor, and that clearly wasn't true.

Again, I was there. Upfront I didn't know what to expect but I objectively listened. As Lib posted he said nothing contrary to scripture, plus there was no playing the race or victim card. He challenged the black community to be fully responsible for taking advantage of all the opportunities they have in America and challenged the white community to not impede or stop them (agree with all of that). Didn't sound at all like a "left leaning controversial figure" back then. Granted he subsequently changed but at the time I heard nothing offensive or contrary to BU's mission statement and what I heard that day was fine.

And if people were "walking out" in any kind of noticeable numbers I didn't see it. Then try the 60's for walking out. Shoot George Wallace tried to shut down a whole university.


What George Wallace did in Alabama in the early 60's has absolutely nothing to do with Jesse Jackson's appearance on the Baylor campus more than a decade after that.

Both go to academic freedom

Neither of these events deal with academic freedom. No political opinion or event is ever based in academic freedom.

Academic freedom is scholarly inquiry guided by professional standards rather than political, religious, or corporate pressure.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 2:39p, 4/21/26
Waco1947 said:
BluesBear said:
BUDOS said:
Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

That's for a discussion in a class room to examine - you don't allow the filth on your campus. I don't take my son to a strip club to teach him that isn't the right lifestyle....

To answer an earlier question. When students apply to Baylor, they recognize its a fundamental Christian (or used to be) environment and thus they should expect those sort of values to be expressed in everything the school, teachers, etc. do.....thinking we should allow an organization on campus that thinks letting a man put his weiner up another man's butt and that's ok - - - that's just sick and those people need to be checked into an institution...

So admissions should look for wieners in butts?.

No, they can just listen for the lisps and look for empty cans of Schmitts Gay Beer.

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2:58p, 4/21/26
It has been interesting to follow this discussion, and I appreciate all those who have contributed. Several issues seem to overlap to me, although I am admittedly simple minded and not the theologian or scholar that many on here are. Some various rambling thoughts:

  • Several issues are getting thrown together into the same bucket - political, religious, cultural, etc.
  • Starting with TPUSA, I have always considered them more of a political entity than religious. I am certainly not familiar with all of their speakers, but in my mind, they all fall within the general "MAGA" camp.
  • I think Don Jr. in particular draws his own level of scrutiny, animosity and opposition. If the initially announced speakers had just been Tom Holman and that Benny Johnson guy, I don't think this would have been that big of an issue.
  • Moving to the BGCT issues - it seems like Baptists are now in at least 3 camps based not on views about God, Jesus, the Resurrection, etc., but about where you stand on women in the ministry and same-sex marriage. (I'll focus just on same-sex marriage. "LBTQ.." is a mixture of broader issues to me.)
  • The group that scheduled the counter event might have been better served to plan their event at a different time so that they could 1) attend the TPUSA event and ask their own questions of the speakers and 2) hope that the TPUSA crowd might attend their own event and hear what they have to say. Rather, it seems there will be two echo chambers.
  • While the counter group is calling their even "All our neighbors", I wonder whether they consider TPUSA, the Trump family, MAGA, or even the BGCT and SBC to be their neighbors.
  • The counter event seems to be focused primarily on gay rights issues. I'm not sure that single issue is really a counter to everything that TPUSA stands for.
  • Same-sex marriage is now legal, and various Christian groups have their own views on the subject. While I may have my own beliefs, I certainly could be wrong (just as I am likely wrong about other interpretations I have made of the Bible). I do not believe that salvation is dependent on one's view of same-sex marriage, women as pastors, or any other such cultural issue. Regardless of who sponsor's it, it would be interesting to have a presentation recorded and streamed of knowledgeable advocates on both sides of such issues conducting a civil debate, including reference to various scriptures that support their position.
I will not be attending any of these events on Wednesday, but I will be at the Lunch with a Legend event on Thursday celebrating the career of retired golf coach Mike McGraw. Maybe that one will be a bit less controversial.

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3:08p, 4/21/26
For me, it comes down to Baylor deciding what it wants to promote.


Baylor University is a private school for a good reason. Baylor was founded to promote Christian Education, with emphasis on both words. In the last generation, those in charge has basically abandoned the Christian mission.

And that, literally, is damnable.
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In reply to BUDOS • 4:33p, 4/21/26
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Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

They get plenty of misinformation every day all around them. Why would they need to go to a Christian to school to hear about the rainbow freaks when they hear about it everywhere else
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4:37p, 4/21/26
So much discussion and time spent arguing about two events that will be less attended than either promoter would hope.
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 6:51p, 4/21/26
Doc Holliday said:
Realitybites said:
Redbrickbear said:
The Ivy League is finally waking up the problems and rot in academia

We can assume it will only take Baylor a decade or so to catch up and realize a course correction is needed



First they got rid of the head coverings.
Then they got rid of the hymnals.
Then they got rid of the pews.
Then they got rid of morality.
Then they got rid of Christianity.

Neither evangelicalism nor its partner institutions are going to survive what is coming. An institution like Yale can drift into heresy and course correct because it divorced itself from its heritage generations ago. An institution like Baylor was never supposed to drift into heresy. The insertion of wokeness because secular society did it will be the poison pill that destroys it all.

Evangelical and Baptist denominations will eventually align with secularism, mirroring the trajectory of mainline Protestantism. This shift is a matter of when, not if. The evolution of Baylor's identity serves as a case study: a wealthy institution that once believed itself immune to this trend has ultimately embraced it


Well I don't think most Baylor alumni and families thought it was immune from the intense secular pressures to conform to State sponsored liberalism.

It's very hard to resist the magisterium of Hollywood, the Federal government, and Big Business all working together to push an ideology.

Many just hoped it could resist and be genuinely different.

The pace we went Left has been breathtakingly fast

Statues toppling, BLM support from the top, racial preferences in hiring decisions and enrollment, LGBTQ groups, etc

It's gone hard left at a fast rate of speed….
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In reply to Waco1947 • 8:42p, 4/21/26
Waco1947 said:
BluesBear said:
BUDOS said:
Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

That's for a discussion in a class room to examine - you don't allow the filth on your campus. I don't take my son to a strip club to teach him that isn't the right lifestyle....

To answer an earlier question. When students apply to Baylor, they recognize its a fundamental Christian (or used to be) environment and thus they should expect those sort of values to be expressed in everything the school, teachers, etc. do.....thinking we should allow an organization on campus that thinks letting a man put his weiner up another man's butt and that's ok - - - that's just sick and those people need to be checked into an institution...

So admissions should look for wieners in butts?. Your statement of exclusion is contrary to Christ's radical hospitality.

There was already exclusion based on attending Baylor and not having liberals ideals in your face 24-7....unfortunately the current administration is trying to blend it all in together...
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In reply to Waco1947 • 10:52p, 4/21/26
Waco1947 said:
BluesBear said:
BUDOS said:
Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

That's for a discussion in a class room to examine - you don't allow the filth on your campus. I don't take my son to a strip club to teach him that isn't the right lifestyle....

To answer an earlier question. When students apply to Baylor, they recognize its a fundamental Christian (or used to be) environment and thus they should expect those sort of values to be expressed in everything the school, teachers, etc. do.....thinking we should allow an organization on campus that thinks letting a man put his weiner up another man's butt and that's ok - - - that's just sick and those people need to be checked into an institution...

So admissions should look for wieners in butts?. Your statement of exclusion is contrary to Christ's radical hospitality.


Dumbest post in recent history.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 11:07p, 4/21/26
Redbrickbear said:
Doc Holliday said:
Realitybites said:
Redbrickbear said:
The Ivy League is finally waking up the problems and rot in academia

We can assume it will only take Baylor a decade or so to catch up and realize a course correction is needed



First they got rid of the head coverings.
Then they got rid of the hymnals.
Then they got rid of the pews.
Then they got rid of morality.
Then they got rid of Christianity.

Neither evangelicalism nor its partner institutions are going to survive what is coming. An institution like Yale can drift into heresy and course correct because it divorced itself from its heritage generations ago. An institution like Baylor was never supposed to drift into heresy. The insertion of wokeness because secular society did it will be the poison pill that destroys it all.

Evangelical and Baptist denominations will eventually align with secularism, mirroring the trajectory of mainline Protestantism. This shift is a matter of when, not if. The evolution of Baylor's identity serves as a case study: a wealthy institution that once believed itself immune to this trend has ultimately embraced it


Well I don't think most Baylor alumni and families thought it was immune from the intense secular pressures to conform to State sponsored liberalism.

It's very hard to resist the magisterium of Hollywood, the Federal government, and Big Business all working together to push an ideology.

Many just hoped it could resist and be genuinely different.

The pace we went Left has been breathtakingly fast

Statues toppling, BLM support from the top, racial preferences in hiring decisions and enrollment, LGBTQ groups, etc

It's gone hard left at a fast rate of speed….


Liberals are insidious. They lie about what they believe and then they get in control, and then they change the hiring practices to ensure that they get more libs and more gays. Just how's they roll. So unless an organization diligently works at keeping them out then they'll change the culture. Happens at churches all the time.

Last its not just protestants. Catholics percentage-wise are more liberal than most protestants. Of course evangelicals and most Baptists are far more traditional values based than all other mainline religions. But as society becomes more Godless, then the religions tend to follow. But Texas conservative Baptists will continue to defy the odds for a good while longer.

Baylor on the other hand feared a fundy takeover when they should have feared a progressive take over. The truth is whenever you have an option that progressives cheer, then you are likely on the wrong side of things. The libs cheered when BU separated from the BGCT and in a decade, BU will likely be unrecognizable unless some strong people can rid the university of Linda and crew.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 11:19p, 4/21/26
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Redbrickbear said:
Doc Holliday said:
Realitybites said:
Redbrickbear said:
The Ivy League is finally waking up the problems and rot in academia

We can assume it will only take Baylor a decade or so to catch up and realize a course correction is needed



First they got rid of the head coverings.
Then they got rid of the hymnals.
Then they got rid of the pews.
Then they got rid of morality.
Then they got rid of Christianity.

Neither evangelicalism nor its partner institutions are going to survive what is coming. An institution like Yale can drift into heresy and course correct because it divorced itself from its heritage generations ago. An institution like Baylor was never supposed to drift into heresy. The insertion of wokeness because secular society did it will be the poison pill that destroys it all.

Evangelical and Baptist denominations will eventually align with secularism, mirroring the trajectory of mainline Protestantism. This shift is a matter of when, not if. The evolution of Baylor's identity serves as a case study: a wealthy institution that once believed itself immune to this trend has ultimately embraced it


Well I don't think most Baylor alumni and families thought it was immune from the intense secular pressures to conform to State sponsored liberalism.

It's very hard to resist the magisterium of Hollywood, the Federal government, and Big Business all working together to push an ideology.

Many just hoped it could resist and be genuinely different.

The pace we went Left has been breathtakingly fast

Statues toppling, BLM support from the top, racial preferences in hiring decisions and enrollment, LGBTQ groups, etc

It's gone hard left at a fast rate of speed….


Baylor on the other hand feared a fundy takeover when they should have feared a progressive take over…, BU will likely be unrecognizable unless some strong people can rid the university of Linda and crew.


Unfortunately that seems to be the case

Baylor defended itself from a conservative-fundy take over

But did not prepare to defend itself against a liberal-progressive take over…or perhaps it didn't know how to defend itself from that?


PS

Twitter convo about an interview recently with a Baylor professor (who is no lover of MAGA or rightwinger) talking about being frog marched through forced DEI trainings at Baylor.

Comments focus on Baylor not being able to stand up to any of this….and embracing DEI proves there is no real means for institutions to stop this stuff themselves




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In reply to BylrFan • 11:46p, 4/21/26
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Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.


Free speech not allowed?


I honest to God hope the intention was actual free speech…and not to host competing mutually hostile events on campus on the SAME DAY…so that points of conflict would be intensified and scenes like this would happen on Baylor's campus

Radicals shouting down speakers because they have icky conservative views


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In reply to DAC • 1:10p, 4/22/26
DAC said:
BUDOS said:
Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

They get plenty of misinformation every day all around them. Why would they need to go to a Christian to school to hear about the rainbow freaks when they hear about it everywhere else

Homophobic and demeaning
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In reply to BluesBear • 1:11p, 4/22/26
BluesBear said:
Waco1947 said:
BluesBear said:
BUDOS said:
Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

That's for a discussion in a class room to examine - you don't allow the filth on your campus. I don't take my son to a strip club to teach him that isn't the right lifestyle....

To answer an earlier question. When students apply to Baylor, they recognize its a fundamental Christian (or used to be) environment and thus they should expect those sort of values to be expressed in everything the school, teachers, etc. do.....thinking we should allow an organization on campus that thinks letting a man put his weiner up another man's butt and that's ok - - - that's just sick and those people need to be checked into an institution...

So admissions should look for wieners in butts?. Your statement of exclusion is contrary to Christ's radical hospitality.

There was already exclusion based on attending Baylor and not having liberals ideals in your face 24-7....unfortunately the current administration is trying to blend it all in together...

What are articulated liberal ideals?
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DAC said:
BUDOS said:
Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

They get plenty of misinformation every day all around them. Why would they need to go to a Christian to school to hear about the rainbow freaks when they hear about it everywhere else

Homophobic and demeaning

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Linda is a scumbag
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In reply to muddybrazos • 7:36p, 4/22/26
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Apparently TPUSA event was students only plus 125 external guests allowed. Counter event was BU ID only and media, no external admits.

Further details from a Lariat article the afternoon: A statement from Vice President for Student Life Dr. Sharra Hynes emphasized the original agreement set between Baylor and TPUSA.

"The University was very clear with event organizers from the beginning that the event would be for students, faculty and staff only, with the addition of 125 invited guests from the organizing group(s)," the statement reads.

The original ticket request website included a location for general attendees on a waitlist basis, but according to Hynes' statement, it was not previously approved by the university.

In the email, TPUSA said "over 1/20th" of the Baylor student body reserved tickets for the event, with an additional 4,500 reserved by the broader community. Waco Hall has a seating capacity of 2,200 people, per Baylor's website.

Recent stops on the tour include George Washington University, Ohio State University and the University of Georgia, which made national headlines after CEO Erika Kirk canceled her appearance due to security concerns.

Additionally, TPUSA's stop in Georgia took place in Akins Ford Arena, which has a capacity of 8,500. According to Baptist News Global, only around 1,000 were in attendance.

According to The Lantern, Ohio's student publication, only about 850 students gathered for Ohio State's leg of the tour at a venue that accommodates up to 1,700.

Earlier today, TPUSA denied all press passes to the event, citing it was a "closed event." The Lariat, KWTX, the Waco Bridge and The Waco Tribune-Herald were among outlets denied passes.

A university spokesperson told The Lariat that the event is exclusively a TPUSA event, not a Baylor one. Additionally, all denied media passes were decided by TPUSA members, not the university.

"Baylor University had absolutely no role in that process," they said over email.
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8:27p, 4/22/26
The bloom is off the TPUSA rose
They issued 4500 tickets to a waco hall event plus "1/20 " of Baylor student body?
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In reply to 254alum • 8:55p, 4/22/26
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So much discussion and time spent arguing about two events that will be less attended than either promoter would hope.


You called it

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In reply to Osodecentx • 10:22p, 4/22/26
Osodecentx said:
The bloom is off the TPUSA rose
They issued 4500 tickets to a waco hall event plus "1/20 " of Baylor student body?


I suppose having your leader (a young man who really connected with other young people) murdered in cold blood on another college campus by a Leftist terrorist will do that…

I guess terror works

Take out the founder and person with vision & leadership skills… and the organization goes into decline
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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 10:23p, 4/22/26
LIB,MR BEARS said:
muddybrazos said:

Linda is a scumbag


I don't think Linda is necessarily the problem (she did not hire herself and does not make decisions in a vacuum)

We all have to accept that the faculty and Regents are now solidly Left of center individuals

And apparently have been Leftwing for a while (according to a Baylor professor)

Modern Baylor is what they want it to be….



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In reply to Osodecentx • 2:39a, 4/23/26
Osodecentx said:
The bloom is off the TPUSA rose
They issued 4500 tickets to a waco hall event plus "1/20 " of Baylor student body?


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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:11a, 4/23/26
Osodecentx said:
The bloom is off the TPUSA rose
They issued 4500 tickets to a waco hall event plus "1/20 " of Baylor student body?


Charlie Kirk was murdered in front of his audience and family. People came to hear Charlie.
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8:16a, 4/23/26
How is the LGBT a slap in the face of Baylor, but the serial Adulterer (Paxton) ok?
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 8:30a, 4/23/26
Mitch Blood Green said:
How is the LGBT a slap in the face of Baylor, but the serial Adulterer (Paxton) ok?

LGBT is seeking more than acceptance, it requires affirmation from Baylor as an institution.

Paxton's failings are personal and no one is demanding an organization that's primary duty is the acceptance and affirmation that serial adultery is not wrong behavior.

You seem to want Baylor to exclude Paxton for his moral failings but not hold the LGBT organization to the same flame.

Do you want Baylor to be more fundamentalist? If so, we might be able to find some agreeable terms here.


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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 8:35a, 4/23/26
Mitch Blood Green said:
How is the LGBT a slap in the face of Baylor, but the serial Adulterer (Paxton) ok?
was the serial adulterer there to celebrate and promote adultery? Because the gays were there to celebrate and promote gays.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 8:36a, 4/23/26
Mitch Blood Green said:
How is the LGBT a slap in the face of Baylor, but the serial Adulterer (Paxton) ok?


The question should be, who is PROMOTING sin.

There is only one sinless man and that is Jesus Christ. His word is spread through the Bible and through broken people. Promotion of sin is NOT part of His word!

We can and should debate what the best way is to handle immigration and illegal immigration.

We can and should discuss what are the best ways to spread the Good News of the saving grace that comes through Jesus Christ.

Some of us should plant. Some of us should water. NONE of us should promote a sinful behavior/lifestyle/attitude/thought.

It's not that hard unless you're chasing federal grants.


edit. Yes, Paxton is a scumbag also
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 8:50a, 4/23/26
Redbrickbear said:
Osodecentx said:
The bloom is off the TPUSA rose
They issued 4500 tickets to a waco hall event plus "1/20 " of Baylor student body?


I suppose having your leader (a young man who really connected with other young people) murdered in cold blood on another college campus by a Leftist terrorist will do that…

I guess terror works

Take out the founder and person with vision & leadership skills… and the organization goes into decline

I agree the organization is in decline.
Kirk might be the irreplaceable person.
He was an unusually gifted leader
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In reply to Baylorbears111 • 8:51a, 4/23/26
Baylorbears111 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
How is the LGBT a slap in the face of Baylor, but the serial Adulterer (Paxton) ok?

LGBT is seeking more than acceptance, it requires affirmation from Baylor as an institution.

Paxton's failings are personal and no one is demanding an organization that's primary duty is the acceptance and affirmation that serial adultery is not wrong behavior.

You seem to want Baylor to exclude Paxton for his moral failings but not hold the LGBT organization to the same flame.

Do you want Baylor to be more fundamentalist? If so, we might be able to find some agreeable terms here.

TPUSA endorsed Paxton for US Senate
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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:53a, 4/23/26
Osodecentx said:
Baylorbears111 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
How is the LGBT a slap in the face of Baylor, but the serial Adulterer (Paxton) ok?

LGBT is seeking more than acceptance, it requires affirmation from Baylor as an institution.

Paxton's failings are personal and no one is demanding an organization that's primary duty is the acceptance and affirmation that serial adultery is not wrong behavior.

You seem to want Baylor to exclude Paxton for his moral failings but not hold the LGBT organization to the same flame.

Do you want Baylor to be more fundamentalist? If so, we might be able to find some agreeable terms here.

TPUSA endorsed Paxton for US Senate

And?
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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 8:53a, 4/23/26
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
How is the LGBT a slap in the face of Baylor, but the serial Adulterer (Paxton) ok?


The question should be, who is PROMOTING sin.


edit. Yes, Paxton is a scumbag also

TPUSA endorsed the scumbag & that reflects on the organization
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In reply to Baylorbears111 • 9:07a, 4/23/26
Baylorbears111 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
How is the LGBT a slap in the face of Baylor, but the serial Adulterer (Paxton) ok?

LGBT is seeking more than acceptance, it requires affirmation from Baylor as an institution.

Paxton's failings are personal and no one is demanding an organization that's primary duty is the acceptance and affirmation that serial adultery is not wrong behavior.

You seem to want Baylor to exclude Paxton for his moral failings but not hold the LGBT organization to the same flame.

Do you want Baylor to be more fundamentalist? If so, we might be able to find some agreeable terms here.



If I were in a same sex relationship, isn't that personal?

Paxton is asking that we accept his failings, which go far beyond adultery. He's asking that we over look is serial adultery, his corruption, and his divisiveness.

Truth is, you're willing to. And you'll justify it, too.
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