Virginia Supreme Court on Friday struck down redistricting measure

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Osodecentx
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The Virginia Supreme Court on Friday struck down a measure allowing state Democrats to redraw congressional districts, dealing a significant blow to the party's efforts to keep pace with Republicans in a nationwide redistricting battle.
The ruling wipes out four Democratic-leaning U.S. House seats in Virginia and means that Republicans will enter the midterms with a structural advantage from their moves to carve out newly red districts across the country.
Osodecentx
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Virginia's high court strikes down voter-passed House map favoring Democrats
The finding is a major setback for Democrats in their effort to counter GOP-led redistricting in other states. The measure approved April 21 gave Democrats an edge in four districts.
whitetrash
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The VA governor when she learned of the ruling:

canoso
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This is horrible news for Virginia Democrats but excellent news for the Commonwealth of Virginia, which is still given liberty, not death.
Porteroso
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They deserve to gerrymander all they want, but they have to follow the rules. I am shocked that voters are going along with this. Tribalism is ruining this country. People dont care that their neighbor might be unfairly represented, they just care about winning. A total cancer.
Oldbear83
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Ending gerrymandering when it is based on race is "unfair", says Porteroso.

Mitch Blood Green
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Oldbear83 said:

Ending gerrymandering when it is based on race is "unfair", says Porteroso.




Looking at the new Tennessee map, I've not seen a more unfair map. Memphis is what it is. If that's also a congressional district, no way that's unfair. To now take a city and divide it into four districts is not "more fair" than calling it black majority. It's black majority because the city boundaries are majority black. VRA rightfully ensured that the interests of urban communities not be diluted.

My hope is that Tennesseans overwhelmingly vote. Turnout lessens the impact of the map.
Oldbear83
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I always support high turnout, provided Voter ID is required.

william
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pro ecclesia, pro javelina
Osodecentx
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Porteroso said:

They deserve to gerrymander all they want, but they have to follow the rules. I am shocked that voters are going along with this. Tribalism is ruining this country. People dont care that their neighbor might be unfairly represented, they just care about winning. A total cancer.


The House member from that Memphis district has been a white male for the last decade
BearFan33
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It was a 4-3 decision. Apparently unconstitutional on procedural grounds. Am I hearing right? It would seem procedural grounds should have been unanimous
Oldbear83
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BearFan33 said:

It was a 4-3 decision. Apparently unconstitutional on procedural grounds. Am I hearing right? It would seem procedural grounds should have been unanimous

Courts are not always unanimous even when every fact and concept is clear.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

Ending gerrymandering when it is based on race is "unfair", says Porteroso.




Looking at the new Tennessee map, I've not seen a more unfair map. Memphis is what it is. If that's also a congressional district, no way that's unfair. To now take a city and divide it into four districts is not "more fair" than calling it black majority. It's black majority because the city boundaries are majority black. VRA rightfully ensured that the interests of urban communities not be diluted.

My hope is that Tennesseans overwhelmingly vote. Turnout lessens the impact of the map.


Have you looked at the maps of the northeast? States with nearly half the population voting Republican but not a single red district?
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Oldbear83 said:

BearFan33 said:

It was a 4-3 decision. Apparently unconstitutional on procedural grounds. Am I hearing right? It would seem procedural grounds should have been unanimous

Courts are not always unanimous even when every fact and concept is clear.


So true, especially if one member of the court is a DEI appointee
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Osodecentx said:

Porteroso said:

They deserve to gerrymander all they want, but they have to follow the rules. I am shocked that voters are going along with this. Tribalism is ruining this country. People dont care that their neighbor might be unfairly represented, they just care about winning. A total cancer.


The House member from that Memphis district has been a white male for the last decade



Redbrickbear
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cowboycwr said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

Ending gerrymandering when it is based on race is "unfair", says Porteroso.




Looking at the new Tennessee map, I've not seen a more unfair map. Memphis is what it is. If that's also a congressional district, no way that's unfair. To now take a city and divide it into four districts is not "more fair" than calling it black majority. It's black majority because the city boundaries are majority black. VRA rightfully ensured that the interests of urban communities not be diluted.

My hope is that Tennesseans overwhelmingly vote. Turnout lessens the impact of the map.


Have you looked at the maps of the northeast? States with nearly half the population voting Republican but not a single red district?


Yep…it's ridiculous…and it's been going on for decades



Mitch Blood Green
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cowboycwr said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

Ending gerrymandering when it is based on race is "unfair", says Porteroso.




Looking at the new Tennessee map, I've not seen a more unfair map. Memphis is what it is. If that's also a congressional district, no way that's unfair. To now take a city and divide it into four districts is not "more fair" than calling it black majority. It's black majority because the city boundaries are majority black. VRA rightfully ensured that the interests of urban communities not be diluted.

My hope is that Tennesseans overwhelmingly vote. Turnout lessens the impact of the map.


Have you looked at the maps of the northeast? States with nearly half the population voting Republican but not a single red district?


I have not. If what you say is true that there are pockets of republicans that are gerrymandered out of power, it's wrong. If it's a situation where you, RD2 and I are neighbors and we both vote for the Dem and you vote R, it's unfortunate for you.
Porteroso
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Osodecentx said:

Porteroso said:

They deserve to gerrymander all they want, but they have to follow the rules. I am shocked that voters are going along with this. Tribalism is ruining this country. People dont care that their neighbor might be unfairly represented, they just care about winning. A total cancer.


The House member from that Memphis district has been a white male for the last decade

Cohen has been there for 30 years at least. And should black Memphians not get to vote for a white guy, if they want? And are you saying that putting the whole city of Memphis into a district would be mapping based upon race?

I'd make the argument that splitting up Memphis is closer to mapping to dilute the black vote than having Memphis in a single district.

If splitting up a majority black district to get 3 majority white districts is not racial mapping, what would be, in your opinion?
Osodecentx
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Porteroso said:

Osodecentx said:

Porteroso said:

They deserve to gerrymander all they want, but they have to follow the rules. I am shocked that voters are going along with this. Tribalism is ruining this country. People dont care that their neighbor might be unfairly represented, they just care about winning. A total cancer.


The House member from that Memphis district has been a white male for the last decade

Cohen has been there for 30 years at least. And should black Memphians not get to vote for a white guy, if they want? And are you saying that putting the whole city of Memphis into a district would be mapping based upon race?

I'd make the argument that splitting up Memphis is closer to mapping to dilute the black vote than having Memphis in a single district.

If splitting up a majority black district to get 3 majority white districts is not racial mapping, what would be, in your opinion?


Steve Cohen is a Democratic U.S. Representative for Tennessee's 9th Congressional District, centered in Memphis, serving since 2007.
midgett
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Porteroso said:

Osodecentx said:

Porteroso said:

They deserve to gerrymander all they want, but they have to follow the rules. I am shocked that voters are going along with this. Tribalism is ruining this country. People dont care that their neighbor might be unfairly represented, they just care about winning. A total cancer.


The House member from that Memphis district has been a white male for the last decade

Cohen has been there for 30 years at least. And should black Memphians not get to vote for a white guy, if they want? And are you saying that putting the whole city of Memphis into a district would be mapping based upon race?

I'd make the argument that splitting up Memphis is closer to mapping to dilute the black vote than having Memphis in a single district.

If splitting up a majority black district to get 3 majority white districts is not racial mapping, what would be, in your opinion?


The white male Democrat who has long represented the majority black district ran against a black female Republican. Dems spent millions defeating the black woman. You know, racist gerrymandering.
Porteroso
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midgett said:

Porteroso said:

Osodecentx said:

Porteroso said:

They deserve to gerrymander all they want, but they have to follow the rules. I am shocked that voters are going along with this. Tribalism is ruining this country. People dont care that their neighbor might be unfairly represented, they just care about winning. A total cancer.


The House member from that Memphis district has been a white male for the last decade

Cohen has been there for 30 years at least. And should black Memphians not get to vote for a white guy, if they want? And are you saying that putting the whole city of Memphis into a district would be mapping based upon race?

I'd make the argument that splitting up Memphis is closer to mapping to dilute the black vote than having Memphis in a single district.

If splitting up a majority black district to get 3 majority white districts is not racial mapping, what would be, in your opinion?


The white male Democrat who has long represented the majority black district ran against a black female Republican. Dems spent millions defeating the black woman. You know, racist gerrymandering.

You are conflating 2 issues. One is diluting the vote of a majority black city, by splitting it into 3 districts and adding majority white rural populations to each.

The second issue is whether Memphians should be able to vote for whoever they want, black or white.

But saying that it cannot be racist if one of the 3 districts will get a black woman as a representative, is fallacious because it assumes that a black person representing the district is less racist than a white guy. The truth is obviously the opposite. It was never racist for a majority black population to vote for a white guy. This is about power for the Republican supermajority.

And by the way, the challenger to Cohen was not going to be a black Republican, but a black Democrat, Pearson.

Osodecentx said:

Porteroso said:

Osodecentx said:

Porteroso said:

They deserve to gerrymander all they want, but they have to follow the rules. I am shocked that voters are going along with this. Tribalism is ruining this country. People dont care that their neighbor might be unfairly represented, they just care about winning. A total cancer.


The House member from that Memphis district has been a white male for the last decade

Cohen has been there for 30 years at least. And should black Memphians not get to vote for a white guy, if they want? And are you saying that putting the whole city of Memphis into a district would be mapping based upon race?

I'd make the argument that splitting up Memphis is closer to mapping to dilute the black vote than having Memphis in a single district.

If splitting up a majority black district to get 3 majority white districts is not racial mapping, what would be, in your opinion?


Steve Cohen is a Democratic U.S. Representative for Tennessee's 9th Congressional District, centered in Memphis, serving since 2007.

He represented Memphis in other capacities before that. He has been voted in by a black population for 30 years or longer.
midgett
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If the pic is accurate…then a fair representation would be as below. I round off to the higher # for D's. ME and NH should probably be 2D, 2D. Giving the benefit of rounding to D's, Republicans should have 15 representatives from those states. They have none. Republicans are now joining the D's in a sorry game.

MA: 7D, 4R
CT: 4D, 3R
ME: 3D, 1R
NM: 3D, 2R
NH: 3D, 1R
RI: 3D, 1R
VT: 2D, 1R
HI: 2D, 1R
DE: 2D, 1

midgett
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If we add CA, NY, IL, NJ, MD, OR…

R's should have 46 reps. They have 24. Once again, all rounding went to the D's benefit.

There's 39 reps D's have gerrymandered. Republicans could pass EVERYTHING with that majority.

I'll let someone do R's based on 2024 figures. I'm sure there's some bias and would appreciate if someone didn't numbers.
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