Are the Bidens Collectively the Biggest Liars in U.S. Political History

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Realitybites said:

ake yourself feel better or Patel/Bongino/Bondi on Epstein? Some of you all have selective memories.

I've asked this before, but never got an answer: what are Patel/Bongino/Bondi lying about regarding Epstein, if you know?

Of course you haven't gotten an answer regarding any specifics and you never will. It's the same thing as the lefties that scream about mass "systemic racism (targeted at black people"). When asked for specific examples of qualified black people being denied housing, jobs, the right to vote, the right to an education, etc., because of their race, all you get is crickets. For that matter, none of them can provide any actual examples that aren't 50 or more years old. All of it it just baseless wild claims stemming 100% from emotion and TDS.


Hegseth is less qualified than all the people he's blocked or fired in his current role.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/hegseth-blocks-promotion-several-navy-053222469.html


LOL!

Of course he opposes racist DEI policies that prioritize totally superficial things like race, ethnicity, gender, etc. It's called meritocracy and this is exactly how of all things the military should be. Actually demonstrates the exact opposite of what you're implying.

Nice try, though………Not………..


You believe that black promotions are only done on race and that blacks have no other viable qualifications?

And you believe Hegseth, because of his position on Fox News and service in the guard is qualified to determine that?

You started with a premise and there's nothing that will help you. Every person he's fired or denied has more "meritocracy" than him. Did you see in the article, he has pushed for promotion of one of his friends who didn't have the qualifications for the promotion? Is that what you mean by meritocracy?

Of course I don't believe that all black promotions are based on race - what a ridiculous statement. What I believe is that any unmerited advancement or promotion that happens because of superficial things like race, gender, sexual preference, religion, etc. is wrong - regardless of what the race in question is. For example, it would be wrong to pursue DEI in the NBA or the NFL to arbitrarily increase the number of white athletes in order to "look more like America". Professional sports are another great example of meritocracy which means the racial makeup will be whatever it is and that's exactly the way it should be. Same for the military. Same for the business world. Same for the government, etc. And finally, the premise behnd DEI that America is inherently systemically racist/biased against people of color, women, gays, etc. is wrong and should be rejected by everyone. People that actually believe in the race blind/color blind society that MLK fought so hard for during the 60's are some of the most ardent opposers of racist policies like DEI.

And yes, I believe Hegseth is quite qualified to be Secretary of Defense and is a huge upgrade from what we had during auto pen's administration. Plus, his prior association with Fox News has absolutely nothing to do with it.


You believe Hegseth was more qualified than Lloyd Austin?


I said Hegseth is quite qualified and he's an upgrade over Austin which he is. And rest assured Hegseth would never disappear for multiple days without Trump knowing about it.


In no other White House does he get the interview. In less partisan times, he doesn't get confirmed.

He is woefully unqualified for this position. Help me understand about his hire supports your belief in meritocracy?

I'll be happy to right after you help me understand why you believe there is any valid premise that justifies DEI and how/why DEI isn't inherently racist and somehow results in better performance/outcomes for ALL??

It's DEIA. It's not a promotion of black folks, especially the unqualified. Greg Abbott is the best example of DEIA I can think of. You decide if it's ok.

DEIA attempts to expand the pool of people considered for roles. In Abbott's case, the state's inclusion efforts are centered around accessibility for wheelchair bound individuals. Could Abbot be governor but for accessible ramps, sidewalks, lecterns, and vehicles?

Has he taken a job away from an able-bodied candidate? (Might I remind you that the accessibility began way before he became the governor.

Accessibility is a different issue and doesn't belong in the same acronym as "diversity, equity, and inclusion". Nice diversion attempt, but it's duly noted that you didn't answer the question.

You don't get to change what it is to make yourself feel better. What's apparent is that you lack understanding of DEIA and how it works.

No - what's apparent is your inability to substantively defend DEI - and I actually understand - because it's indefensible.

What's apparent is you support the highering of woefully incompetent people as long as they are not black. Make that make sense.

No, what's apparent is you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand that I couldn't care less about race - even though it's been explained to you multiple times at a 6th grade level. One more time - it's called merit.

I believe you don't consciously care about race. However, I see you refuse to acknowledge that your concern, "qualifications and meritocracy," are not met by Hegseth. Maybe it's race and country you don't care about.

What you will not acknowledge is that this unqualified person took us to war in Iran, which has countries dumping US treasuries and threatens the dollar as the global default currency. (Or you haven't considered it). He has also fired more qualified people under the guise of "DEI," which is negatively impacting our ability to navigate a global crisis.

Below is a person who was fired for being DEI.

CQ Brown
  • Profession: Retired 4star Air Force General; former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (20232025).
  • Service: 41 years active duty (19842025).
  • Career Type: Traditional military career with progressive command at every level.
  • Notable First: First African American to lead a U.S. military branch.
Pete Hegseth
  • Profession: U.S. Secretary of Defense (since 2025); former Fox News host.
  • Service: National Guard infantry officer; rank of Major.
  • Career Type: Media, political advocacy, and limited military service.
  • Public Profile: Known for conservative commentary and political alignment with President Trump.
Summary: Key Differences
  • Depth of Military Leadership:
    Brown commanded at every level of the Air Force; Hegseth never held senior military command.
  • Strategic Experience:
    Brown has decades of joint, global operational leadership; Hegseth's experience is tactical and political.
  • Professional Trajectory:
    Brown followed a traditional military path; Hegseth's path is political/mediadriven.
  • Qualifications for Defense Leadership:
    Brown's rsum aligns with historical norms for top defense roles; Hegseth's reflects a political appointment with unconventional credentials.


So bottom line you would've been perfectly fine with kicking the can down the road as usual and allowing both present and future generations to have to deal with a nuclear armed Iran that is led by crazed radical Shiite extremists who believe it's "Allah's will" that they destroy the West (especially including the USA) and either kill or forcefully convert the rest of the world to their brand of Islam. Don't forget these are the same people that green lighted and financed the raping, torturing, killing, and kidnapping 1000s of innocent people, including women, children, and even babies - and you and you ilk are fine with taking our chances with them having access to nuclear weapons. Thank God, we have a President and a highly qualified Secretary of War who believe differently.


I'd have been absolutely fine with kicking the can based on OUR assessment of the Iranian threat.

What you're ignoring is we had a great framework in the JCOPOA. We allowed Netanyahu and a know nothing to decide it was a horrible deal.

As life is full of uncertainty, you make decisions based on the best available information. I don't know where Anthropic will ended up but I'm looking to load up the boat on that IPO. They could end up being a dud. We do this everyday.
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Joe Biden has lied more about his personal life and story than Trump has lied about anything ...
- Corn Pop
- First wife's death
- Hunter's laptop
- I was a truck driver
- I was reared in the black church
- I was reared in the Puerto Rican church
- I saw two guys making out in 50s Wilmington with my pappy
- Plagiarized college work
- I was a top student in college
- I was a top student in law school

And Jill totally lying about his mental state ... every politician "lies" about policies and results (unfortunately) but these crazies lie about their biographies.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Joe Biden has lied more about his personal life and story than Trump has lied about anything ...
- Corn Pop
- First wife's death
- Hunter's laptop
- I was a truck driver
- I was reared in the black church
- I was reared in the Puerto Rican church
- I saw two guys making out in 50s Wilmington with my pappy
- Plagiarized college work
- I was a top student in college
- I was a top student in law school

And Jill totally lying about his mental state ... every politician "lies" about policies and results (unfortunately) but these crazies lie about their biographies.

And don't forget the lie about how he never had any involvement with Hunter's "business dealings" (i.e.,Hunter's obvious influence peddling schemes). Biden is the absolute epitome of a multi decade wholly corrupt lying swamp creature politician that is as dishonest as they come. Trump is at worst a choir boy by comparison.
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Research and exhaustive fact-checking data indicate that Donald Trump has told significantly more false or misleading claims than any other U.S. president in history.

Comprehensive documentation measures the scale of these claims:
* The Washington Post: Documented 30,573 false or misleading claims during his four-year presidency. This averaged to about 21 erroneous claims per day, steadily increasing over his term.

* The New York Times: In comparative research, they recorded dozens of untruths by Trump during his early months in office compared to just a handful from his predecessor over a similar span.

While previous presidents have been heavily criticized for specific, major historical deceptionssuch as Lyndon B. Johnson regarding the Vietnam War or Richard Nixon during Watergatepolitical scientists and fact-checking institutions note that Trump's volume of falsehoods was unprecedented in American history.

Looking forward to reviewing your sources.
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BUDOS still riding the we-hate-Trump wing of the press.

Surprised he didn't quote The View
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I don't know if Trump or Biden is a bigger liar but if it was a contest it would be a third overtime victory.
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BUDOS said:

Research and exhaustive fact-checking data indicate that Donald Trump has told significantly more false or misleading claims than any other U.S. president in history.

Comprehensive documentation measures the scale of these claims:
* The Washington Post: Documented 30,573 false or misleading claims during his four-year presidency. This averaged to about 21 erroneous claims per day, steadily increasing over his term.

* The New York Times: In comparative research, they recorded dozens of untruths by Trump during his early months in office compared to just a handful from his predecessor over a similar span.

While previous presidents have been heavily criticized for specific, major historical deceptionssuch as Lyndon B. Johnson regarding the Vietnam War or Richard Nixon during Watergatepolitical scientists and fact-checking institutions note that Trump's volume of falsehoods was unprecedented in American history.

Looking forward to reviewing your sources.

I'm too busy laughing at your completely biased lying so-called "sources" that are 100% leftist propaganda rags. You know - the same "sources" that told us the Russia Russia, Russia hoax was real, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, and Trump's election would result in a worldwide wide recession. LOL!
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LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.
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J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.

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And you have yet to put forward your sources indicating another president has told more falsehoods than this dude. Which sources do you claim do so?

These particular sources you attempt to dismiss due their bias. Whether it's sources are biased, are you saying that the information, documentation and quotes from him which prove he lied are also false?

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Let's start with the US government:

Joe Biden Met Nearly Every Foreign Associate Funneling His Family Millions - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

Add ABC News, never known to be a Trump front:

What to know about Republican allegations, evidence in the Biden impeachment inquiry - ABC News

Even the WaPo, long known for leaning left, called out Biden

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/biden-fact-checker-100-days/

Biden lied about 9/11,

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=joe-biden

how much money he had,

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/19/politics/fact-check-biden-pennsylvania-campaign-swing/index.html

troop casualties under his time at the White House,

https://fox59.com/news/national-world/fact-check-heres-some-of-the-false-claims-made-during-biden-and-trumps-first-debate/

job creation (notice this is the government again)

https://budget.house.gov/press-release/fact-check-biden-misleads-on-job-creation-statistics

You may notice I did not depend on sources which lean right. In a couple, I made sure to site sources known to lean left.

I get it, a lot of people hate Trump, and want to believe every bad thing about him and ignore anything that makes someone else - especially Trump's enemies - look worse.

And you can make the claim that Trump has become much more a politician - as in lying to advance his goals - this term than in his first. But the claim that Trump is the worst, or even in the top 3, is malicious bilge, and you of all people should know that .
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Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.


I'd say more like IQ north of 50 - which sadly still excludes TDS poster child Junior.
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Thank you for your response! I wish others would take the time to respond with such good information.

I look forward to learning some things I may not have learned otherwise. I do disagree that others have lied more and documentation does back that up.

Here's a bit more

Research tracking Donald Trump's public statements consistently concludes that he communicates false or misleading information at a volume unprecedented in modern U.S. political history. Objective analysis of his rhetoric generally spans two primary methodologies: data-driven tracking by non-partisan fact-checking organizations and academic studies focusing on the psychological and political mechanics of his communication style.

Longitudinal Tracking and Cumulative Data
Comprehensive databases maintained by political scientists and journalists provide a baseline for analyzing his statements:

* Total Volume Over Time: Quantitative analysis from the Washington Post Fact Checker documented 30,573 false or misleading claims during his first four-year presidential term. The frequency of these claims accelerated annually, starting at an average of six per day in his first year and increasing to 39 per day by his fourth year.

* Comparative Analysis: Academic studies, such as the political taxonomy compiled by James P. Pfiffner of George Mason University, highlight that Trump's statements deviate significantly from the typical spin or policy exaggerations of previous presidents. For instance, comparative tracking noted 103 documented untruths during his first ten months in office, compared to 18 during the same period for Barack Obama.

* The "Bottomless Pinocchio": This category was specifically invented by fact-checkers to isolate falsehoods repeated so often (at least 20 times) that the speaker is demonstrably aware the information is wrong. Trump was the foundational subject of this metric due to his reliance on recycled, debunked claims.

Academic and Psychological Research
Recent peer-reviewed research has shifted from simply counting falsehoods to studying the cognitive effects of his communication strategy on public perception:
* The Illusory Truth Effect: Research published in Public Opinion Quarterly evaluated how Trump leverages cognitive biases. The study demonstrated a direct correlation between the sheer number of times Trump repeats a falsehood and the likelihood that voters accept it as fact.

* Media Echo Chambers: The same Public Opinion Quarterly study found that this repetition effect is heavily magnified among individuals who exclusively consume information from right-leaning media ecosystems, indicating that partisan media delivery functions as an accelerant for internalizing false information.

Current Tracking Trends (20252026)
Ongoing fact-checking by independent groups like PolitiFact and mainstream news outlets shows specific patterns in his current rhetoric:
* Economic Exaggerations: Independent reviews routinely target claims regarding national investments and energy. For example, ongoing audits by CNN Politics have debunked recurring assertions that the U.S. has secured up to $18 trillion in domestic investment pledges, noting that official tracking lists figures much lower and relies heavily on unverified, vague international trade agreements.
* Electoral and Institutional Claims: Ongoing independent tracking continues to flag statements concerning past elections, immigration statistics, and specific policy impacts as consistently unsupported by official federal or local data.


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Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.



fact please. Your Trumpian figuring is getting tired. Deal in facts.
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Johnny Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.


I'd say more like IQ north of 50 - which sadly still excludes TDS poster child Junior.

If it ain't Little Johnny on that Govt Cheddar chiming in! I may be south of 50 but I have a job. You should get one and get off the Govt Cheese.
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J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.



fact please. Your Trumpian figuring is getting tired. Deal in facts.

LOL! The king of baseless 100% TDS driven incoherent rants who relies on MSNOW pundits & the women on The View to tell him what to think demands "facts" in return. You're a riot, Junior!
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J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.



fact please. Your Trumpian figuring is getting tired. Deal in facts.

I do deal in fact, sir. It is you who obsesses with rants and tantrums on this forum.
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I see you are starting a company which produces copious amounts of bovine excrement, suitable for fertilizer.

I also observe you are throwing out unsupported claims again. That's fine for an opinion, but hardly useful for persuading an adult here. I'm sure J.R. will applaud you, though, so there's that.

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I am a bit perturbed and perplexed that you appear to have more of a closed mind than I thought, although in my opinion it is still more open than many in this thread.

I am sorry that you have a beef about my response, as you apparently thought it was udder nonsense and cowed to the leaving derogatory cow paddies and milking as much sarcasm as you could squeeze.

I sincerely started on reading two of the links; however, your response indicates you failed to take me seriously, despite our past interactions. I was disappointed in how you just ignored continuing our last conversation, and even shocked.

At least we both live in a country where we can openly disagree on such issues, and be thankful for that, if not respectful at times. I worry how long we will continue to allow our freedoms to devolve, while most of us just gripe and do little else, if anything.
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BUDOS said:

I am a bit perturbed and perplexed that you appear to have more of a closed mind than I thought, although in my opinion it is still more open than many in this thread.

I am sorry that you have a beef about my response, as you apparently thought it was udder nonsense and cowed to the leaving derogatory cow paddies and milking as much sarcasm as you could squeeze.

I sincerely started on reading two of the links; however, your response indicates you failed to take me seriously, despite our past interactions. I was disappointed in how you just ignored continuing our last conversation, and even shocked.

At least we both live in a country where we can openly disagree on such issues, and be thankful for that, if not respectful at times. I worry how long we will continue to allow our freedoms to devolve, while most of us just gripe and do little else, if anything.

Who says our freedoms are currently "devolving" - especially since auto pen's handlers left town a year and a half ago?
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BUDOS said:

I am a bit perturbed and perplexed that you appear to have more of a closed mind than I thought, although in my opinion it is still more open than many in this thread.

I am sorry that you have a beef about my response, as you apparently thought it was udder nonsense and cowed to the leaving derogatory cow paddies and milking as much sarcasm as you could squeeze.

I sincerely started on reading two of the links; however, your response indicates you failed to take me seriously, despite our past interactions. I was disappointed in how you just ignored continuing our last conversation, and even shocked.

At least we both live in a country where we can openly disagree on such issues, and be thankful for that, if not respectful at times. I worry how long we will continue to allow our freedoms to devolve, while most of us just gripe and do little else, if anything.


A difference of opinion is fine, but your second post just repeated the first, using the same biased sources to sell the same hard-left hate spin.

I said before that I have no problem agreeing that Trump lies. But so did Obama, both of the Bushes, and even Saint Ronald. Some of that is ego, some of that is posturing to sell a position, and some of that is politics.

The problem is all the lies of the Bidens between 2020 and 2024. They - from Joe to Jill to Hunter and the entire staff - went far beyond what we heard from the other Presidents and their families, because it included lying for genuine criminal behavior by Joe and Hunter, outright defamatory statements about Republicans in general and Trump in particular, in actual speeches. It included co-opting the media to sell known lies in blatant efforts to gaslight the public in ways no Republican, including Trump, even imagined.

And no, I am not going to waste time proving it. The evidence has been out there for years, and if you missed it you did so on purpose and wouldn't believe proof now if God Himself told you.

I certainly respect a difference of opinion. I do not respect deliberate perfidy.
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Oldbear83 said:

BUDOS said:

I am a bit perturbed and perplexed that you appear to have more of a closed mind than I thought, although in my opinion it is still more open than many in this thread.

I am sorry that you have a beef about my response, as you apparently thought it was udder nonsense and cowed to the leaving derogatory cow paddies and milking as much sarcasm as you could squeeze.

I sincerely started on reading two of the links; however, your response indicates you failed to take me seriously, despite our past interactions. I was disappointed in how you just ignored continuing our last conversation, and even shocked.

At least we both live in a country where we can openly disagree on such issues, and be thankful for that, if not respectful at times. I worry how long we will continue to allow our freedoms to devolve, while most of us just gripe and do little else, if anything.


A difference of opinion is fine, but your second post just repeated the first, using the same biased sources to sell the same hard-left hate spin.

I said before that I have no problem agreeing that Trump lies. But so did Obama, both of the Bushes, and even Saint Ronald. Some of that is ego, some of that is posturing to sell a position, and some of that is politics.

The problem is all the lies of the Bidens between 2020 and 2024. They - from Joe to Jill to Hunter and the entire staff - went far beyond what we heard from the other Presidents and their families, because it included lying for genuine criminal behavior by Joe and Hunter, outright defamatory statements about Republicans in general and Trump in particular, in actual speeches. It included co-opting the media to sell known lies in blatant efforts to gaslight the public in ways no Republican, including Trump, even imagined.

And no, I am not going to waste time proving it. The evidence has been out there for years, and if you missed it you did so on purpose and wouldn't believe proof now if God Himself told you.

I certainly respect a difference of opinion. I do not respect deliberate perfidy.
You are incredibly clueless and destructively myopic. Trump is a pathological liar suffering from a narcissistic personality disorder. The scary thing about Trump's lying is many of them are unnecessary and easily verifiable as false. Hillary Clinton did this as well. Yet he continues to push them. And that's layered on top of the usual political lies as well as ethical and likely illegal ones.

None of this absolves Biden and his lying, but the fact you cannot acknowledge what happens in front of our eyes on a regular basis is astonishing. The man has a long track record of spewing falsehoods on social media, is an incredibly poor ad libber when speaking publicly, and goes tangential often exacerbating his false narratives. You've accepted his behavior which is why I believe you are blind to its voluminous nature.

As an aside, a few posts above you used the same sources to layout Biden lies right after you lambasted them for addressing Trump. And now you're back to them being bias filled fodder. I guess fake news is only fake when you want it to be.
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Tell you like the Democrats more than last year, without using those precise words.

I never excused Trump, I just see the bigger picture, which you clearly want to ignore.

And about the sources. You ignored that I pointed out how WaPo is a clearly left-leaning publication, always has been, but even they called out Biden early in his term.

But that doesn't help your spin, so you ignored that.

I'd say grow up, but TDS seems to dilute maturity or awareness of scope.
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Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.



fact please. Your Trumpian figuring is getting tired. Deal in facts.

I do deal in fact, sir. It is you who obsesses with rants and tantrums on this forum.

say what you want. I deal facts. You do not. You failed to show any data stating Trump has lapped Joe thousands of times. Keep that Fox News on a loop, so you know how to think.
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Johnny Bear said:

J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows. You and Old 83 keep on with that good ole Christian judmentalness and hate. Jesus would be proud! Viva la Fat Ass



fact please. Your Trumpian figuring is getting tired. Deal in facts.

LOL! The king of baseless 100% TDS driven incoherent rants who relies on MSNOW pundits & the women on The View to tell him what to think demands "facts" in return. You're a riot, Junior!

Now little Johnny. Everything I say is fact based (you should try it) unless I give my opinion which are not facts. BTW I don't have Mercan TV here. Did you get that JOB yet or you still collecting our govt cheddar? do tell
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Oldbear83 said:

Tell you like the Democrats more than last year, without using those precise words.

I never excused Trump, I just see the bigger picture, which you clearly want to ignore.

And about the sources. You ignored that I pointed out how WaPo is a clearly left-leaning publication, always has been, but even they called out Biden early in his term.

But that doesn't help your spin, so you ignored that.

I'd say grow up, but TDS seems to dilute maturity or awareness of scope.

You always excuse Trump. Whether outright, whataboutism, or deflection. You throw out stupid monikers and blanket labels because there is no rational fact based defense of your position, and then have the gumption to pretend you're seeing some "big picture". You're part of the ruse and an enabler of the unprincipled charade we get subjected to, and excused away as "Trump being Trump".

Bias may appear in the presentation of fact, but it doesn't change the existence of the fact. And the facts have compounded beyond measure that Trump is a pathological liar who has proven there is very little he would not lie about.
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You and JR make quite the couple. Anything to spite Trump and the US if Trump is in office.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.



fact please. Your Trumpian figuring is getting tired. Deal in facts.

I do deal in fact, sir. It is you who obsesses with rants and tantrums on this forum.

say what you want. I deal happily without facts. You do not. You failed to show any data stating Trump has lapped Joe thousands of times. Keep that Fox News on a loop, so you know how to think [meaningless rant].

I'd say 'grow up' but you clearly are allergic to maturity.

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Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.



fact please. Your Trumpian figuring is getting tired. Deal in facts.

I do deal in fact, sir. It is you who obsesses with rants and tantrums on this forum.

say what you want. I deal happily without facts. You do not. You failed to show any data stating Trump has lapped Joe thousands of times. Keep that Fox News on a loop, so you know how to think [meaningless rant].

I'd say 'grow up' but you clearly are allergic to maturity.



bitter gonna bitter! Good Christian, right there. You do wonders showing WWJD. Heretic. Not to mention, you are a mental midget . Remember debits on the right and credits on the left.
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The number is not as relevant as is the content. When you lie about your competency and solicit the mainstream media to broadcast your lie for four years . . .

When you tell the nation that vaccinated people cannot spread or contract a deadly disease . . .

When you say with a straight face that the boarder is secure but allow 20 million illegals to flood the nation . . .

Biden is on Mount Rushmore by himself.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

J.R. said:

LJ ....you and Old Bitter 83 are just amazing. Did yall go to college? Did you graduate? Yall cannot be this dumb, but you are. Yall are true believers and going down with Orange in a blaze of Orange Glory! Can we see some facts about Biden lying more than Trump? Facts are your friends, not Fox News, you weirdos.

Anyone with an IQ north of 70 who was alive during Biden's attempt at being POTUS knows Biden and his family are the worst liars in the US this century.

You, for your part, will stamp your feet again, throw out some rant and whine like a little girl as is your daily habit now, but you won't change what every adult in the room knows.



fact please. Your Trumpian figuring is getting tired. Deal in facts.

I do deal in fact, sir. It is you who obsesses with rants and tantrums on this forum.

say what you want. I deal happily without facts. You do not. You failed to show any data stating Trump has lapped Joe thousands of times. Keep that Fox News on a loop, so you know how to think [meaningless rant].

I'd say 'grow up' but you clearly are allergic to maturity.



bitter gonna bitter! Good Christian, right there. You do wonders showing WWJD. Heretic. Not to mention, you are a mental midget . Remember debits on the right and credits on the left.

Your inability to act like an adult for more than halfway through a post tells everyone how to gauge your caliber.

You shoot only blanks, boyo.
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Many mental health professionals describe Donald Trump's chronic use of falsehoods as pathological.

However, "pathological liar" is not a formal medical or psychiatric diagnosis. The American Psychiatric Association forbids its members from diagnosing public figures they have not personally examined.Here is what experts note about his behavior:Frequency:

Fact-checkers documented tens of thousands of false or misleading statements during his presidency.

Motivation: Clinicians often describe this behavior as "truthful hyperbole", noting that the falsehoods frequently serve to manipulate audiences, reinforce his ego, or reshape reality in real-time.

Diagnosis Debate: Some mental health professionals have proposed that his behavior aligns with personality disorders, such as malignant narcissism or antisocial personality disorder.

The Goldwater Rule: The American Psychiatric Association's ethical code, known as the Goldwater Rule, prevents official medical diagnoses without a clinical exam. This means there is no official medical consensus.

For a detailed look at this debate, you can explore the assessments compiled in the book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" by mental health professionals.

Alternatively, you can read more about how psychological science defines deception on Psychology Today.Trump, Madoff, And The Art (And Science) Of Pathological LyingOct 31, 2024 Trump's former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, holding the 2017 book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health...

And this does not include the truth about January 6 that was on live tv.
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Well, you certainly found a way to lower my opinion of your posts, BUDOS.

That last post of yours was worse than what I flushed after a really bad bout of diarrheah years ago.



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BUDOS
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I'm glad you respect a difference in opinion as you said earlier.
 
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