Karmelo Anthony's trial starts, A Texas track meet murderer

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Mothra
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El Oso said:

1. The force he used was excessive compared to the force of the little shove.

No argument here. I just don't see how defense can get around this.

2. He provoked it by being asked multiple times, I think 15 was the number said in testimony, and refusing to leave.

Maybe. But Metcalf moved up four rows to confront him. He should have gotten a coach. An adult should have been present from the start.

3. He was not hanging out with someone. He wasn't even sitting with the one person he knew.

Doesn't matter in my opinion. Yes, he should have left when asked, but he didn't do anything violent until someone put hands on him. But now we're back to one and we agree his response was over the line and it undoes a self defense claim.

4. It is VERY uncommon to just sit in another teams area. It may have been common when you ran X amount of years ago but today it is uncommon. Unless you are sitting with the person you know and talking with them. Once you are done you leave.

Maybe. It's been eight years since I was last on the field at a track meet as a judge. But again, there were available ways to get him to leave without shoving him first. I'll be a frequent visitor to track meets next season. Got a runner as the last kid in the house.

5. His comment is aggressive beyond the initial refusal to leave.

It's clearly a threat. But it's also a threat no witness believed would happen. If they didn't believe the threat was real, I dont think it can be seen as provocative in hindsight sight.

Under number 4, there is no maybe about it, especially in light of the fact he had no friends on the opposing track team. I think you're being a little obtuse here, for some reason. This should be pretty obvious to any reasonable person.

As I said above, the guy was clearly looking for a fight, and for a reason to reach into his backpack.

Only justice served will be a life sentence.
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BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956




BaylorHistory
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The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.
Noooo evidence for that, babeeyyy, just maaade it up.
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BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.

BaylorHistory
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The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.
Noooo evidence for that, babeeyyy, just maaade it up.
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BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


I could do this all day...

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BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


BaylorHistory
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The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


I could do this all day...



You could do this all day as 333 million people are going to commit a lot of crimes every minute of every day, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.
Noooo evidence for that, babeeyyy, just maaade it up.
Harrison Bergeron
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BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


I could do this all day...



You could do this all day as 333 million people are going to commit a lot of crimes every minute of every day, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.

Funny how few move back to Africa. I wonder why?

It's funny that America is a land of immigrants and only one group seems to act this way. Lots did not come voluntarily. I wonder why one particular group seems to commit an outsized amount of crime, violence and drain public resources?
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Harrison Bergeron said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


I could do this all day...



You could do this all day as 333 million people are going to commit a lot of crimes every minute of every day, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.

Funny how few move back to Africa. I wonder why?

It's funny that America is a land of immigrants and only one group seems to act this way. Lots did not come voluntarily. I wonder why one particular group seems to commit an outsized amount of crime, violence and drain public resources?

It is entirely a cultural problem, exacerbated by the lack of respect for marriage, rampant promiscuity, one-income households, and race hustlers who have created a victim mentality and entitlement within the black culture. It has relieved many of them of agency, and as such, acts of violence against the "oppressor" are morally justified. Or more likely, they don't think about the morality of it at all.

I am not sure how to fix it, but it is a huge problem. Some of these mobs are absolute savages.
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BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


I could do this all day...



You could do this all day as 333 million people are going to commit a lot of crimes every minute of every day, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.

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Mothra said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


I could do this all day...



You could do this all day as 333 million people are going to commit a lot of crimes every minute of every day, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.

Funny how few move back to Africa. I wonder why?

It's funny that America is a land of immigrants and only one group seems to act this way. Lots did not come voluntarily. I wonder why one particular group seems to commit an outsized amount of crime, violence and drain public resources?

It is entirely a cultural problem, exacerbated by the lack of respect for marriage, rampant promiscuity, one-income households, and race hustlers who have created a victim mentality and entitlement within the black culture. It has relieved many of them of agency, and as such, acts of violence against the "oppressor" are morally justified. Or more likely, they don't think about the morality of it at all.

I am not sure how to fix it, but it is a huge problem. Some of these mobs are absolute savages.

The only thing that can fix it is to lock criminals up and keep them out of society.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Mothra
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GrowlTowel said:

Mothra said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


I could do this all day...



You could do this all day as 333 million people are going to commit a lot of crimes every minute of every day, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.

Funny how few move back to Africa. I wonder why?

It's funny that America is a land of immigrants and only one group seems to act this way. Lots did not come voluntarily. I wonder why one particular group seems to commit an outsized amount of crime, violence and drain public resources?

It is entirely a cultural problem, exacerbated by the lack of respect for marriage, rampant promiscuity, one-income households, and race hustlers who have created a victim mentality and entitlement within the black culture. It has relieved many of them of agency, and as such, acts of violence against the "oppressor" are morally justified. Or more likely, they don't think about the morality of it at all.

I am not sure how to fix it, but it is a huge problem. Some of these mobs are absolute savages.

The only thing that can fix it is to lock criminals up and keep them out of society.

Open carry might be able to stem the tide as well.
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A few of the Waco local channels are reporting the judge instructed the jury that they could also consider manslaughter.

I'd bet that's what happens, if true.
Mothra
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redfish961 said:

A few of the Waco local channels are reporting the judge instructed the jury that they could also consider manslaughter.

I'd bet that's what happens, if true.

That's incredible. If that happens, it would be a total travesty of justice.
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The_barBEARian said:



But every group has a couple bad actors
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closing arguments today?
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BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.

Ludicrous proposal, no doubt.

So, how do you propose we correct this sort of behavior?
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Mothra said:

redfish961 said:

A few of the Waco local channels are reporting the judge instructed the jury that they could also consider manslaughter.

I'd bet that's what happens, if true.

That's incredible. If that happens, it would be a total travesty of justice.

They said manslaughter carries a sentence of 2-20 years.

I'm not sure what the specific parameters are for either charge.
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BearFan33 said:

closing arguments today?

The jury is deliberating.
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It is normal for the judge to allow the jury to consider the lesser charge. I would not read anything into that decision.

Further, by allowing the jury to consider the lesser charge, it removes a point from any future appeal.
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It bothers me a little that in a murder trial thread, we have some backwards discussion about deporting millions of Americans to Africa so they can "chimp out there."

Just start a thread about racism, and we can have that discussion.

This is one guy who did something very bad. Can't fix all our societal problems with this one trial, but one guy can certainly receive justice. Another guy is gone forever.
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Porteroso said:

It bothers me a little that in a murder trial thread, we have some backwards discussion about deporting millions of Americans to Africa so they can "chimp out there."

Just start a thread about racism, and we can have that discussion.

This is one guy who did something very bad. Can't fix all our societal problems with this one trial, but one guy can certainly receive justice. Another guy is gone forever.


Shall we add some butt sex for the hat trick?

Or the Jews.
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GrowlTowel said:

Porteroso said:

It bothers me a little that in a murder trial thread, we have some backwards discussion about deporting millions of Americans to Africa so they can "chimp out there."

Just start a thread about racism, and we can have that discussion.

This is one guy who did something very bad. Can't fix all our societal problems with this one trial, but one guy can certainly receive justice. Another guy is gone forever.


Shall we add some butt sex for the hat trick?

Or the Jews.

Let's keep it all in the Tucker Carlson thread.
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Porteroso said:

It bothers me a little that in a murder trial thread, we have some backwards discussion about deporting millions of Americans to Africa so they can "chimp out there."

Just start a thread about racism, and we can have that discussion.

This is one guy who did something very bad. Can't fix all our societal problems with this one trial, but one guy can certainly receive justice. Another guy is gone forever.


I posted about half a dozen videos of events that all happened in the last 24 hours that show it isnt just "one guy who did something very bad"
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Porteroso said:

It bothers me a little that in a murder trial thread, we have some backwards discussion about deporting millions of Americans to Africa so they can "chimp out there."

Just start a thread about racism, and we can have that discussion.

This is one guy who did something very bad. Can't fix all our societal problems with this one trial, but one guy can certainly receive justice. Another guy is gone forever.
I'm with you! And we shouldn't bring up 8 months of BLM riots every time we talk about George Floyd, either!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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El Oso said:

1. The force he used was excessive compared to the force of the little shove.

No argument here. I just don't see how defense can get around this.

2. He provoked it by being asked multiple times, I think 15 was the number said in testimony, and refusing to leave.

Maybe. But Metcalf moved up four rows to confront him. He should have gotten a coach. An adult should have been present from the start.

3. He was not hanging out with someone. He wasn't even sitting with the one person he knew.

Doesn't matter in my opinion. Yes, he should have left when asked, but he didn't do anything violent until someone put hands on him. But now we're back to one and we agree his response was over the line and it undoes a self defense claim.

4. It is VERY uncommon to just sit in another teams area. It may have been common when you ran X amount of years ago but today it is uncommon. Unless you are sitting with the person you know and talking with them. Once you are done you leave.

Maybe. It's been eight years since I was last on the field at a track meet as a judge. But again, there were available ways to get him to leave without shoving him first. I'll be a frequent visitor to track meets next season. Got a runner as the last kid in the house.

5. His comment is aggressive beyond the initial refusal to leave.

It's clearly a threat. But it's also a threat no witness believed would happen. If they didn't believe the threat was real, I dont think it can be seen as provocative in hindsight sight.


Coaches get paid to coach. Not sit in the stands.
But this will now probably result in coaches having to sit in the stands to babysit.

But if this murderer was willing to kill because he was asked by a teen to leave do you really think an adult was going to get him to do it?
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BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorHistory said:

Johnny Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Linda Livingstone and the Baylor faculty agree…

You stand with Black women…truth and facts don't matter

[…|the black community would accept the evidence if it shows that Karmelo was NOT acting in self-defense

"we gone stands with ours regardless" ]




It's unbelievable how some people still act and talk like it's 1956 instead of 2026.

I'm laughing at this being followed by





And I guess he's right because "back to Africa" talk is generally from the 1920s not 1956






Looks like someone that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish him.


Can't believe we're having this discussion.



More people that should be arrested, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


I could do this all day...



You could do this all day as 333 million people are going to commit a lot of crimes every minute of every day, but maybe we shouldn't send 41 million people to a continent that their great great grandparents never saw to punish them.


Agreed. But perhaps we should start sending every single one that commits a violent crime there.
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Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

It bothers me a little that in a murder trial thread, we have some backwards discussion about deporting millions of Americans to Africa so they can "chimp out there."

Just start a thread about racism, and we can have that discussion.

This is one guy who did something very bad. Can't fix all our societal problems with this one trial, but one guy can certainly receive justice. Another guy is gone forever.

I'm with you! And we shouldn't bring up 8 months of BLM riots every time we talk about George Floyd, either!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We don't really even need to bring up George Floyd at all.
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The_barBEARian said:




This should be called a "hate crime" but of course it won't be. If it was the other way around it would be.

But hate crime is a stupid term anyways.
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GrowlTowel said:

Porteroso said:

It bothers me a little that in a murder trial thread, we have some backwards discussion about deporting millions of Americans to Africa so they can "chimp out there."

Just start a thread about racism, and we can have that discussion.

This is one guy who did something very bad. Can't fix all our societal problems with this one trial, but one guy can certainly receive justice. Another guy is gone forever.


Shall we add some butt sex for the hat trick?

Or the Jews.


Dont threaten me with a good time...
Mothra
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redfish961 said:

Mothra said:

redfish961 said:

A few of the Waco local channels are reporting the judge instructed the jury that they could also consider manslaughter.

I'd bet that's what happens, if true.

That's incredible. If that happens, it would be a total travesty of justice.

They said manslaughter carries a sentence of 2-20 years.

I'm not sure what the specific parameters are for either charge.
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I don't doubt a young person's ability to change and be redeemed. But 20 years for cold-blooded murder is an absolute travesty.
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Porteroso said:

Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

It bothers me a little that in a murder trial thread, we have some backwards discussion about deporting millions of Americans to Africa so they can "chimp out there."

Just start a thread about racism, and we can have that discussion.

This is one guy who did something very bad. Can't fix all our societal problems with this one trial, but one guy can certainly receive justice. Another guy is gone forever.

I'm with you! And we shouldn't bring up 8 months of BLM riots every time we talk about George Floyd, either!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We don't really even need to bring up George Floyd at all.


Does Derek Chauvin deserve to be in jail right now?
 
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