Karmelo Anthony's trial starts, A Texas track meet murderer

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Redbrickbear said:



It gets cut from view here but here is the last of what Austin's dad said to Karmelo.... "You failed your parents, your failed yourself and you failed society, You don't belong in this community," he says to Karmelo.
"You're going to prison, You can't even look me in the eyes right now but you can stab my fu**ing son in the heart."
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Karmelo is a coward. Plain and simple. He went into the tent and initiated an altercation with every intent to use that knife. His plan all along was to use self defense to commit murder. The problem is.. he didn't plan on a bunch of kids of his color telling a jury that he was the aggressor. A coward to his core. Also I'll put this out there. Had they actually fought with fists and settled it like men he would have gotten destroyed.
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El Oso said:

I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.
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cowboycwr said:

Has there been any official or verified news source that breaks down the racial make up of the jury?

I know they has been about no blacks being on it and trying to claim it was all white and it was shown to have Hispanics, whites and Asians on it but I have seen a report it also had a middle eastern woman on it described as a "woman of color"


7 whites, 3 Asian women, 1 Hispanic, 1 Middle Eastern.
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Everyone should heed MLK's lesson from Amos 5:24:
"But let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream."

But to do that, all must "Learn to do right; seek justice..." Isaiah 1:17.

And for all of us, there is no excuse:
"God has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly, love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."

If this source and MLK who quoted it in our era does not give pause to our black brothers and sisters, then not only is culture of any type lost, so is the nation of civility grounded in being respecters of persons. The descent into anarchy has arrived.
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IowaBear said:

Karmelo is a coward. Plain and simple. He went into the tent and initiated an altercation with every intent to use that knife. His plan all along was to use self defense to commit murder. The problem is.. he didn't plan on a bunch of kids of his color telling a jury that he was the aggressor. A coward to his core. Also I'll put this out there. Had they actually fought with fists and settled it like men he would have gotten destroyed.

I think you're giving him a little too much credit. He probably wanted to stab someone but I doubt he had much of a plan beyond that and there's no way he thought it through about the consequences.
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The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:




The only people who "believe in multi-culturalism" are white women.

aka "Karens"
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Crazy that someone would film themselves committing a crime... certain ethnic groups in this country really believe they are above the law

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Jack Bauer said:

If the roles were reversed, these supporters would be the KKK.





If the roles were reversed, there wouldn't be a protest. Whites generally would accept the verdict when the evidence is so clear and overwhelming. Many would celebrate the verdict since justice is served.

I was about surprised by the Karmelo supporters claiming they wanted justice for him. Well, that's exactly what they got and they are unhappy.
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historian said:

Jack Bauer said:

If the roles were reversed, these supporters would be the KKK.





If the roles were reversed, there wouldn't be a protest. Whites generally would accept the verdict when the evidence is so clear and overwhelming. Many would celebrate the verdict since justice is served.

I was about surprised by the Karmelo supporters claiming they wanted justice for him. Well, that's exactly what they got and they are unhappy.


Humans are tribal. It's not about justice, it's about protecting their own.
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" The descent into anarchy has arrived."

That's both not true and somewhat true. The problem starts with the nature of Man. People have separated by culture since the beginning, and that remains true today. The chief obstacle to desegregation after the law was the sense that government was forcing people to accept strangers, even possible threats, to their life and family.

The good news is that racial division today is not nearly as bad as it was eighty years ago, and some of the improvement seems permanent. The bad news is that for some people, racism is a deliberate choice, and for such people violence is a preferred method of expression. The most common example today is the minority who uses social forms and legal standards to leverage opportunity and advantage for themselves and their group, which in short is why DEI thrives how and where it does.

Mr. Anthony is in a bad way now, even if he does not realize it. Once he arrives at his prison, Karmelo becomes the focus of attention for a number of groups, and is certain to join one of them. Once part of a prison gang, the odds of Anthony finding his way to a peaceful, normal life become very poor. After a few years, when he is no longer the attention of adoring mobs, Karmelo will face the true consequence of his actions, and when that happens he is likely to send himself even further into a hopeless condition.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Mothra said:

El Oso said:

I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.


I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.
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Not always. We are capable of being more civilized than that. That's why we have a Republican form of government an a judicial system based upon certain principles such as justice is blind, innocent until proven guilty, fair trial, etc.
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El Oso said:

Mothra said:

El Oso said:

I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.


I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.

My point was, it is not at all relevant to the case. Could it have ultimately prevented a tragedy? Perhaps. But you never know when a kid decides to bring a dangerous weapon to a school event.
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El Oso said:

Mothra said:

El Oso said:

I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.


I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.
Weird how you left out the 15 times Karmelo was asked to leave before anyone came near him in response to his threats and antagonism. For all you know, if an adult had dared to disrespect Karmelo by asking him to move from where he didn't belong the adult would be dead now instead of Austin.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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muddybrazos said:

Porteroso said:

Johnny Bear said:

Porteroso said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Most of it because they put themselves in those situations lol

That's what he said... the killers of young black males, are almost always young black males.

True that the black community needs to have an internal conversation about it.

They need to do a lot more than just have a conversation about it. And the left - especially including the MSM - needs to stop excusing it, condoning it, and even encouraging it (won't happen of course).

You gotta start by talking about it, acknowledging the issue. These young males need guidance from older, wiser men and women. And right or wrong, they will listen to people who look like them more than anyone else.

The problem is that wont happen. As you can see with this Karmelo stuff almost every black person older or younger is excusing what he did. There's just no accountabilty and people want to place blame everrywhere but on the actual people who are causing the problem.

Get a grip. You have heard or read the opinions of very few black people. You would hear a lot of whites doing the same were the skin colors reversed.

Don't look at a very small sample size of vocal zealots and ascribe their thoughts to aentire demographic. Insane.
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Porteroso said:

muddybrazos said:

Porteroso said:

Johnny Bear said:

Porteroso said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Most of it because they put themselves in those situations lol

That's what he said... the killers of young black males, are almost always young black males.

True that the black community needs to have an internal conversation about it.

They need to do a lot more than just have a conversation about it. And the left - especially including the MSM - needs to stop excusing it, condoning it, and even encouraging it (won't happen of course).

You gotta start by talking about it, acknowledging the issue. These young males need guidance from older, wiser men and women. And right or wrong, they will listen to people who look like them more than anyone else.

The problem is that wont happen. As you can see with this Karmelo stuff almost every black person older or younger is excusing what he did. There's just no accountabilty and people want to place blame everrywhere but on the actual people who are causing the problem.

Get a grip. You have heard or read the opinions of very few black people. You would hear a lot of whites doing the same were the skin colors reversed.

Don't look at a very small sample size of vocal zealots and ascribe their thoughts to aentire demographic. Insane.


Do you believe Derek Chauvin deserved the punishment he received and belongs in jail?
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BigGameBaylorBear
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historian said:

Not always. We are capable of being more civilized than that. That's why we have a Republican form of government an a judicial system based upon certain principles such as justice is blind, innocent until proven guilty, fair trial, etc.


Those are European developments. I don't believe other races care about those things, for the most part. They put their tribe first.
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Jasmine definitely code switching back to her ghetto side..

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Porteroso said:

muddybrazos said:

Porteroso said:

Johnny Bear said:

Porteroso said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Most of it because they put themselves in those situations lol

That's what he said... the killers of young black males, are almost always young black males.

True that the black community needs to have an internal conversation about it.

They need to do a lot more than just have a conversation about it. And the left - especially including the MSM - needs to stop excusing it, condoning it, and even encouraging it (won't happen of course).

You gotta start by talking about it, acknowledging the issue. These young males need guidance from older, wiser men and women. And right or wrong, they will listen to people who look like them more than anyone else.

The problem is that wont happen. As you can see with this Karmelo stuff almost every black person older or younger is excusing what he did. There's just no accountabilty and people want to place blame everrywhere but on the actual people who are causing the problem.

Get a grip. You have heard or read the opinions of very few black people. You would hear a lot of whites doing the same were the skin colors reversed.



If Austin Metcalf would have been black, nobody would care and this story probably would not have even made the news. Young black men die in Chicago almost every single day and nobody knows their names.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
historian
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That's true for much of the Third World. It's also a reason why we should tightly restrict how many migrants we allow to come to the US from those countries.
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Almost always the killers are blacks and too often it's gang related. The local authorities ard more interested in blaming whites or Trump for their failure to punish criminals. That's true for blue cities and states nationwide.
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Wangchung said:

El Oso said:

Mothra said:

El Oso said:

I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.


I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.
Weird how you left out the 15 times Karmelo was asked to leave before anyone came near him in response to his threats and antagonism. For all you know, if an adult had dared to disrespect Karmelo by asking him to move from where he didn't belong the adult would be dead now instead of Austin.


I didn't leave it out because it wasn't brought up, but since you did, refusing to leave a public space is not legally defined as "provocation" under Texas Penal Code - PENAL 9.31.

There was disagreement between the coaches that testified, and one athlete, as to whether or not these team areas are the sacred spaces posters on here say they are. So, if there's disagreement about this issue, it stands to reason that Mello didn't believe he had to leave. His mere existence does not meet the legal definition of provocation in Texas. If he didn't provoke, self defense was a legal response as long as that response was proportional. And since his response was not proportional, and I have always argued it wasn't, it was no longer self defense.

The jury was right. And I have always argued they were in light of the facts. I'm simply pointing out this could have been prevented with adult presence. If you don't agree with that, I'm okay with what you think.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Porteroso said:

muddybrazos said:

Porteroso said:

Johnny Bear said:

Porteroso said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Most of it because they put themselves in those situations lol

That's what he said... the killers of young black males, are almost always young black males.

True that the black community needs to have an internal conversation about it.

They need to do a lot more than just have a conversation about it. And the left - especially including the MSM - needs to stop excusing it, condoning it, and even encouraging it (won't happen of course).

You gotta start by talking about it, acknowledging the issue. These young males need guidance from older, wiser men and women. And right or wrong, they will listen to people who look like them more than anyone else.

The problem is that wont happen. As you can see with this Karmelo stuff almost every black person older or younger is excusing what he did. There's just no accountabilty and people want to place blame everrywhere but on the actual people who are causing the problem.

Get a grip. You have heard or read the opinions of very few black people. You would hear a lot of whites doing the same were the skin colors reversed.



If Austin Metcalf would have been black, nobody would care and this story probably would not have even made the news. Young black men die in Chicago almost every single day and nobody knows their names.

The difference is in Chicago the young black men are being killed mostly by other young black men.

If it had been reversed, the white kid would be a pariah in the news and an example of White supremacy and Christian Nationalism. Mainstream news would have had a lot more time on the story.

As it is, Austin was the victim and all we can say is fewer people and news outlets paint him as an example of White supremacy and Christian Nationalism. It is sad, really, what political power in place of justice means to some people.
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Appeal filed. I'm interested on the grounds which are currently unknown.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/one-day-after-conviction-karmelo-anthony-files-notice-of-appeal-and-says-he-cant-afford-a-lawyer/287-6c56a100-fea6-4d7e-87b6-b95370305c3f
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He's probably still claiming self defense
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Another scholarly debate..

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liberal/left/dem mentality
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historian said:

He's probably still claiming self defense

That's not how appeals work. He has to find a legal error in the transcript of the trial.

Maybe he wins the Batson argument, but I'm not sure those jurors were excluded because of their race. I thought the official reason was because they were educators and this case involved the education system.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Porteroso said:

muddybrazos said:

Porteroso said:

Johnny Bear said:

Porteroso said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Most of it because they put themselves in those situations lol

That's what he said... the killers of young black males, are almost always young black males.

True that the black community needs to have an internal conversation about it.

They need to do a lot more than just have a conversation about it. And the left - especially including the MSM - needs to stop excusing it, condoning it, and even encouraging it (won't happen of course).

You gotta start by talking about it, acknowledging the issue. These young males need guidance from older, wiser men and women. And right or wrong, they will listen to people who look like them more than anyone else.

The problem is that wont happen. As you can see with this Karmelo stuff almost every black person older or younger is excusing what he did. There's just no accountabilty and people want to place blame everrywhere but on the actual people who are causing the problem.

Get a grip. You have heard or read the opinions of very few black people. You would hear a lot of whites doing the same were the skin colors reversed.



If Austin Metcalf would have been black, nobody would care and this story probably would not have even made the news. Young black men die in Chicago almost every single day and nobody knows their names.

The difference is in Chicago the young black men are being killed mostly by other young black men.

If it had been reversed, the white kid would be a pariah in the news and an example of White supremacy and Christian Nationalism. Mainstream news would have had a lot more time on the story.

As it is, Austin was the victim and all we can say is fewer people and news outlets paint him as an example of White supremacy and Christian Nationalism. It is sad, really, what political power in place of justice means to some people.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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I am getting tired of this wokeism pushed by the media

can't believe this works for people
 
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