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Yes, U.S. citizens have been mistakenly detained or deported by immigration enforcement due to administrative errors, profiling, or failure to verify citizenship. Federal data from a Government Accountability Office report documented that ICE arrested hundreds of potential U.S. citizens and deported roughly 70 over a five-year period. [1, 2]

Reasons and Incidents

• Administrative Mistakes: Agents sometimes ignore or fail to verify a person's verbal or documented claims of U.S. citizenship during aggressive enforcement sweeps. [1]
• Collateral Detentions: U.S.-born minor children who hold legal citizenship have occasionally been removed alongside their undocumented parents during rapid deportation proceedings. [1, 2]
• Systemic Errors: Studies from legal advocacy groups show that hundreds of American citizens end up facing wrongful detention or deportation proceedings annually due to database or identity mismatches. [1]

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How many have been falsely deported?

Is it dozens? Hundreds?

Compared to how many millions of illegal Aliens?

And if those who have been unfortunately deported/detained….are they prevented from recovering their right to return and citizenship?

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Unhelpful misdirection

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Waco1947 said:

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Yes, U.S. citizens have been mistakenly detained or deported by immigration enforcement due to administrative errors, profiling, or failure to verify citizenship. Federal data from a Government Accountability Office report documented that ICE arrested hundreds of potential U.S. citizens and deported roughly 70 over a five-year period. [1, 2]

Reasons and Incidents

• Administrative Mistakes: Agents sometimes ignore or fail to verify a person's verbal or documented claims of U.S. citizenship during aggressive enforcement sweeps. [1]
• Collateral Detentions: U.S.-born minor children who hold legal citizenship have occasionally been removed alongside their undocumented parents during rapid deportation proceedings. [1, 2]
• Systemic Errors: Studies from legal advocacy groups show that hundreds of American citizens end up facing wrongful detention or deportation proceedings annually due to database or identity mismatches. [1]

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How many have been falsely deported?

Is it dozens? Hundreds?

Compared to how many millions of illegal Aliens?

And if those who have been unfortunately deported/detained….are they prevented from recovering their right to return and citizenship?

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Unhelpful misdirection

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Questions are helpful…including actual facts and data to explain them

How many citizens have actually ever been deported?

Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

I know of no credible left or right or center leaning organization that denies that mass un-authorized immigration from Latin American has been occurring at an all-time high until about a year-and-a-half ago. While the number indicates that it is about 4% of the US population, I have seen numbers that for Texas and Arizona during that period, it was as much as 9% of the population. That is, quite simply, an insane number.

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I know of no credible left or right or center leaning organization that denies that mass un-authorized immigration from Latin American has been occurring at an all-time high until about a year-and-a-half ago. While the number indicates that it is about 4% of the US population, I have seen numbers that for Texas and Arizona during that period, it was as much as 9% of the population. That is, quite simply, an insane number.

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Just dealing with regulatory government bodies myself, seeing how poorly state and local governments are run, how the federal government is wasteful...that leads me to assume there's no way in hell they are accurately reporting illegal immigration numbers.

This does not seem to fit the narrative of "religious conservatives are obsessed with politics"

The most politically engaged religious groups in 2024:

The Episcopal Church
The United Church of Christ
Jews
Atheists

Respondents were asked which of these political acts they had participated in over the prior 12 months:

Attend local political meeting,
Put up a political… pic.twitter.com/iU3A05QJNf

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) July 29, 2026

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yall Baptists are some weird mofos. Does yall wives cook, clean barefoot and spit out babies. Where have you people been living?

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Gotta keep the quiver full.

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Would be nice if someone in America was having kids....unfortunately birth rates/fertility rates keep crashing


[U.S. general fertility rate reached a historic low of 53 births per 1,000 women of childbearing age (1544) in early 2026, and the total fertility rate is projected to be around 1.58 births per woman. Both metrics remain significantly below the replacement level of 2.1 children needed to sustain the population.]

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Controlled immigration is part of the solution.

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As long as those immigrants have skills and high IQ and good community values...sure it can help.

But nothing beats just getting your own people/citizens to have enough kids to maintain the population.

Its whole lot easier than sending out for a whole new group of imported people(s)....

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Those new folks almost immediately have fertility collapse as soon as they get to the modern developed world.

It does not fix the long term problem

A shocking chart that shows how most immigrants assimilate to the ultra-low fertility norms of receiving countries almost immediately.

Immigration doesn't fix low birthrates.

(Sources: Canadian long-form census, Yue Teng)
1/3 https://t.co/ELfEFzCe2d pic.twitter.com/fyrcA4DNUH

— More Births (@MoreBirths) July 1, 2026

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Yes, but you're not going to get people to have kids when they aren't interested, for many reasons, including they don't believe it is financially viable. It's not something that can be forced. Most immigrants that come here that I've come across have good values and simply are trying to make a better life. They fill the niche in the workforce that others are unwilling to fill.

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Some immigrants have good values

Some do NOT

You continue to romanticize immigrants….many are good…but many are in fact not good people with horrible values

In Denmark, the immigrant groups costing taxpayers the most in welfare are the same ones dramatically overrepresented in rape convictions.

From a purely economic standpoint, it would seem like the Danes are paying immigrants to rape them. pic.twitter.com/XUUwjPT21K

— Rothmus 🏴 (@Rothmus) June 14, 2026

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There are not "niche" areas of the market that American workers won't fill if you pay them enough

Why do progressives feel we need semi-slave labor?

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I just realize they are important and have been important to the growth of our country, and that most of them are hardworking people….

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Again,

Some of those immigrants are…and some are not

You keep talking about "immigrants" like that are one monolithic group

Some contribute…and some take far more than they contribute

60% plus of all Haitians are on welfare in the USA

While almost no Lebanese Christians in the USA are on welfare.

I just want to remind everyone that migrants come with a lot of federal money and that's why states want them. 65% of Haitians are on welfare.

What Americans don't know is that the federal Government picks up the costs for TPS protected migrants and have been for 30 years. https://t.co/93WwsXo07D pic.twitter.com/LCpeA91dqw

— Paul (@WomanDefiner) June 28, 2026

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They're a heterogenic group. That's why Trump, Steve Miller, and DHS shouldn't treat them as homogenic monolithic.

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They are not in fact treating them as a monolith

But they are treating those who break the law....as law breakers.....that of course is a legal classification

All non-drivers are not a monolith....but all of them are not allowed to operate a motor vehicle without a license and car insurance.

No one (from whatever place or whatever economic contribution level) is allowed to be in the USA without authorization.

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They've been going after those who are legally here also, including US citizens. That's pretty monolithic.

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What US citizens have been deported?

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It's not just those deported. It's detentions and arrests also. Shrouded in secrecy, who really knows how many?


All the U.S. Citizens Who've Been Caught Up in Trump's Immigration Crackdown

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118180/documents/HMKP-119-JU00-20250430-SD003.pdf

It's not a matter of if U.S. citizens are getting caught up in President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown and mass-deportation efforts but, rather, how and how many. Some have just been collateral arrests and detentions, in which people are briefly questioned or detained by ICE agents, while others have been jailed for hours or days. Some U.S.-born children have been swiftly deported along with undocumented family members.

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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Read between the lines, Waco.

"ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved."

None of that actually means that 674 US citizens were arrested, 121 were detained, or 70 were deported.

These word warlocks are masters at crafting text that make you think A, when the reality is B.

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

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i'm curious how many actual jobs have undocumented workers really taken from American s jobs?

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Waco1947 said:

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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Chat gpt

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

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i'm curious how many actual jobs have undocumented workers really taken from American s jobs?

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One is too many. How many is acceptable for you?

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Waco1947 said:

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

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i'm curious how many actual jobs have undocumented workers really taken from American s jobs?

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One is too many. How many is acceptable for you?

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Probably all 14 million with a path to cetizan. If one can't put in the work and pay a fine, then deport them. BTW, what jobs have been taken from US workers?

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

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i'm curious how many actual jobs have undocumented workers really taken from American s jobs?

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14 million authorized people in the USA are obviously creating job competition for local native born American citizens.

This creates a "wage suppression" effect on wages.

And it falls the hardest on the working poor and the lower middle class who must see their wages suppressed by such a massive influx of competition.

You would think you of all people would care about native born working class Black and Brown Americans....the ones most effected by this situation.

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And those undocumented arrivals who are not working...are then living off tax payer welfare and social programs...taking for those of our poorest Americans who need that support and social safety net.

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

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i'm curious how many actual jobs have undocumented workers really taken from American s jobs?

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14 million authorized people in the USA are obviously creating job competition for local native born American citizens.

This creates a "wage suppression" effect on wages.

And it falls the hardest on the working poor and the lower middle class who must see their wages suppressed by such a massive influx of competition.

You would think you of all people would care about native born working class Black and Brown Americans....the ones most effected by this situation.

PS

And those undocumented arrivals who are not working...are then living off tax payer welfare and social programs...taking for those of our poorest Americans who need that support and social safety net.

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what actual jobs do they suppress wages?

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Waco1947 said:

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

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i'm curious how many actual jobs have undocumented workers really taken from American s jobs?

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14 million authorized people in the USA are obviously creating job competition for local native born American citizens.

This creates a "wage suppression" effect on wages.

And it falls the hardest on the working poor and the lower middle class who must see their wages suppressed by such a massive influx of competition.

You would think you of all people would care about native born working class Black and Brown Americans....the ones most effected by this situation.

PS

And those undocumented arrivals who are not working...are then living off tax payer welfare and social programs...taking for those of our poorest Americans who need that support and social safety net.

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what actual jobs do they suppress wages?

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All jobs that they compete with…

The upper class naturally sees less of that competition because of educational hurdles…. than does the lower classes that must sell their labor & has less expensive educational/credential certifications.

It's like asking "how does mass illegal immigration drive up housing costs?"

Illegals have to live in homes & apartments…adding 14+ million people drives up the demand for housing (and the price) all over the country

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Waco1947 said:

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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Chat gpt

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

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i'm curious how many actual jobs have undocumented workers really taken from American s jobs?

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14 million authorized people in the USA are obviously creating job competition for local native born American citizens.

This creates a "wage suppression" effect on wages.

And it falls the hardest on the working poor and the lower middle class who must see their wages suppressed by such a massive influx of competition.

You would think you of all people would care about native born working class Black and Brown Americans....the ones most effected by this situation.

PS

And those undocumented arrivals who are not working...are then living off tax payer welfare and social programs...taking for those of our poorest Americans who need that support and social safety net.

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what actual jobs do they suppress wages?

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All jobs that they compete with…

The upper class naturally sees less of that competition because of educational hurdles…. than does the lower classes that must sell their labor & has less expensive educational/credential certifications.

It's like asking "how does mass illegal immigration drive up housing costs?"

Illegals have to live in homes & apartments…adding 14+ million people drives up the demand for housing (and the price) all over the country

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Living in those apartments and buying food support economy. Plus they pay federal taxes on their phones and sales tax on what they buy.

PS. They build those apartments and houses and drive down cost. And provide jobs beyond labor to Home Depot, HVAC, plumbing, etc..

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PS. They build those apartments and houses and drive down cost. And provide jobs beyond labor to Home Depot, HVAC, plumbing, etc..

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We didn't have homes built in the USA before mass illegal immigration?

Not to mention that 14+ million illegals are NOT all building homes & apartments. A very small fraction of them might be working in that field…but the rest are driving up demand for housing far faster than the few who are building them can keep up with demand

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Waco1947 said:

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Did it happen? How often? Were these individuals not let back in once a mistake was realized?

A fair response is that these are important questions, but they don't necessarily answer the underlying concern about due process.

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Those are reasonable questions, and we should look at the facts rather than assumptions.
The available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare, but they are not zero. A 2021 Government Accountability Office review found that between 2015 and 2020, ICE arrested 674 people who were potentially U.S. citizens, detained 121 of them, and removed at least 70 before their citizenship issues were resolved. The GAO also noted that the government does not keep complete records, so the true number is uncertain.
In many mistaken cases, people were eventually allowed to return, but that does not erase the consequences. Someone who is wrongly deported may spend weeks or months separated from family, lose a job, miss medical care, incur legal expenses, or remain stranded abroad while fighting to return.
So the issue isn't whether mistakes happen oftenthey appear to be uncommon. The issue is whether the government has sufficient safeguards to minimize those mistakes and provide prompt remedies when they occur. Most people, regardless of their views on immigration enforcement, would agree that deporting someone without adequate due process is a serious error.

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"the available evidence shows that wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens are rare"

Good to know

But is illegal immigration rare or a mass problem?

From Chat gpt

[Illegal immigration is not rare in the United States, although the answer depends on what is being measured.

• People residing without full lawful status: Pew estimated 14 million unauthorized immigrants in 2023, a record high. That was roughly 4% of the total U.S. population...
• So, in ordinary language, it is a large-scale phenomenon, not a rare one]

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i'm curious how many actual jobs have undocumented workers really taken from American s jobs?

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14 million authorized people in the USA are obviously creating job competition for local native born American citizens.

This creates a "wage suppression" effect on wages.

And it falls the hardest on the working poor and the lower middle class who must see their wages suppressed by such a massive influx of competition.

You would think you of all people would care about native born working class Black and Brown Americans....the ones most effected by this situation.

PS

And those undocumented arrivals who are not working...are then living off tax payer welfare and social programs...taking for those of our poorest Americans who need that support and social safety net.

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what actual jobs do they suppress wages?

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All jobs that they compete with…

The upper class naturally sees less of that competition because of educational hurdles…. than does the lower classes that must sell their labor & has less expensive educational/credential certifications.

It's like asking "how does mass illegal immigration drive up housing costs?"

Illegals have to live in homes & apartments…adding 14+ million people drives up the demand for housing (and the price) all over the country

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Living in those apartments and buying food support economy. Plus they pay federal taxes on their phones and sales tax on what they buy.

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So any spending is stimulating to the economy?

Ok, then why not stop the charade that we should have any immigration policy or restrictions at all.

If 14+ million semi-illiterate 3rd world people are "good for the economy"…..then why not bring a billion of them?

Why not bring in 4 billion?

P.S.

Most of these people actually in truth take from the economy and never become much of a tax net or contributors

"Comprehensive Dutch study provides the hard proof of what many have always known: third world immigration is a disaster for Western countries that solves neither economic nor demographic problems."

One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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1. Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both.


2. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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1. Agree with the first part....non-Denom. is very much a "Baptist like" sort of theology and Church system of governance & worship.

2. Disagree with that negative characterization

i've wondered how many Southern Baptists who oppose women pastors-teachers on a scriptural basis also believe only ordained ministers can baptize, and on what scriptural basis they base their position.

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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1. Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both.


2. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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1. Agree with the first part....non-Denom. is very much a "Baptist like" sort of theology and Church system of governance & worship.

2. Disagree with that negative characterization

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My apologies, I did not think that very well.

Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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Not exactly hiding, but yes many non-dom are very Baptist like and concerned for reaching souls for Christ.

The rest of your statement is hogwash - lacking in social justice and real empathy. Traditional Baptists are some of the most charitable people on the planet, and actually have a real care for people. Liberals like you are more about lip syncing and overlooking all the good that real christians do in their communities. You take your programming from godless atheists and you wrap it in a fake Jesus candy-wrapper.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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Not exactly hiding, but yes many non-dom are very Baptist like and concerned for reaching souls for Christ.

The rest of your statement is hogwash - lacking in social justice and real empathy. Traditional Baptists are some of the most charitable people on the planet, and actually have a real care for people. Liberals like you are more about lip syncing and overlooking all the good that real christians do in their communities. You take your programming from godless atheists and you wrap it in a fake Jesus candy-wrapper.

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Charitable giving and social justice aren't the same thing. You'll rarely meet a Baptist who can say the words "social justice" without gagging unless it's one of the lefty, pro-woman pastor types. Of course they have issues of their own.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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Not exactly hiding, but yes many non-dom are very Baptist like and concerned for reaching souls for Christ.

The rest of your statement is hogwash - lacking in social justice and real empathy. Traditional Baptists are some of the most charitable people on the planet, and actually have a real care for people. Liberals like you are more about lip syncing and overlooking all the good that real christians do in their communities. You take your programming from godless atheists and you wrap it in a fake Jesus candy-wrapper.

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Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.

Mt 25: 31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Waco1947 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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Not exactly hiding, but yes many non-dom are very Baptist like and concerned for reaching souls for Christ.

The rest of your statement is hogwash - lacking in social justice and real empathy. Traditional Baptists are some of the most charitable people on the planet, and actually have a real care for people. Liberals like you are more about lip syncing and overlooking all the good that real christians do in their communities. You take your programming from godless atheists and you wrap it in a fake Jesus candy-wrapper.

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Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.

Mt 25: 31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

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so who is held accountable for the nation not doing those things? I believe each person will be held accountable for their actions and whats in their heart. I do not think they will be held accountable for the collective failing of their nation.

4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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Not exactly hiding, but yes many non-dom are very Baptist like and concerned for reaching souls for Christ.

The rest of your statement is hogwash - lacking in social justice and real empathy. Traditional Baptists are some of the most charitable people on the planet, and actually have a real care for people. Liberals like you are more about lip syncing and overlooking all the good that real christians do in their communities. You take your programming from godless atheists and you wrap it in a fake Jesus candy-wrapper.

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Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.

Mt 25: 31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

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so who is held accountable for the nation not doing those things? I believe each person will be held accountable for their actions and whats in their heart. I do not think they will be held accountable for the collective failing of their nation.

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Well in a republic like ours, voters hold the nation accountable to the moral responsibility that Jesus points to in Mt 25

Waco1947 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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Not exactly hiding, but yes many non-dom are very Baptist like and concerned for reaching souls for Christ.

The rest of your statement is hogwash - lacking in social justice and real empathy. Traditional Baptists are some of the most charitable people on the planet, and actually have a real care for people. Liberals like you are more about lip syncing and overlooking all the good that real christians do in their communities. You take your programming from godless atheists and you wrap it in a fake Jesus candy-wrapper.

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Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.

Mt 25: 31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

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so who is held accountable for the nation not doing those things? I believe each person will be held accountable for their actions and whats in their heart. I do not think they will be held accountable for the collective failing of their nation.

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Well in a republic like ours, voters hold the nation accountable to the moral responsibility that Jesus points to in Mt 25

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how many true bible believing Christians are there to hold the nation accountable? How many "Christians" are tares among the wheat? In 2026, i would bet that less than 20% of the voting population of the USA would faithfully uphold the moral responsibility to the level Jesus desires of us in Matthew.

Plenty of church goers get icked out just by homeless/poorly dressed people in their church. How many of them are out on the streets asking every day, how can I help?

4th: how many true bible believing Christians are there to hold the nation accountable? How many "Christians" are tares among the wheat? In 2026, i would bet that less than 20% of the voting population of the USA would faithfully uphold the moral responsibility to the level Jesus desires of us in Matthew.

Plenty of church goers get icked out just by homeless/poorly dressed people in their church. How many of them are out on the streets asking every day, how can I help?

Waco: I never said every person who calls themselves a Christian faithfully lives out Matthew 25. Obviously they don't. Jesus himself warned about hypocrisy, false disciples, and the difference between hearing his words and actually doing them.

But your argument seems to assume that because many Christians fail to live up to Jesus' standard, Matthew 25 therefore has no relevance to how Christians participate in a republic. I don't follow that logic.
The question isn't, "How many Christians are perfect enough to hold the nation accountable?" None of us are.

The question is, what moral standard has Jesus given his followers? In Matthew 25, Jesus explicitly identifies feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, welcoming the stranger, clothing the naked, and visiting prisoners as matters of moral responsibility.

And you're right about the uncomfortable part: plenty of churchgoers aren't exactly eager to embrace the poor, homeless, or marginalized. But that's an indictment of Christians failing to live according to Jesusnot an argument against taking Jesus seriously.
In fact, your observation makes my point even more important: calling ourselves Christian doesn't automatically make us obedient to Christ. The church and Christian voters have to be challenged by Matthew 25 just as much as anyone else.

I'm not claiming that the government can manufacture Christian virtue. I'm saying that in a republic, citizensincluding Christiansbring their moral convictions into the public square and vote accordingly.
The real question isn't whether Christians are perfect.
It's whether Matthew 25 should matter to Christians when they decide what kind of society they want to build.

Waco1947 said:

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4th: how many true bible believing Christians are there to hold the nation accountable? How many "Christians" are tares among the wheat? In 2026, i would bet that less than 20% of the voting population of the USA would faithfully uphold the moral responsibility to the level Jesus desires of us in Matthew.

Plenty of church goers get icked out just by homeless/poorly dressed people in their church. How many of them are out on the streets asking every day, how can I help?

Waco: I never said every person who calls themselves a Christian faithfully lives out Matthew 25. Obviously they don't. Jesus himself warned about hypocrisy, false disciples, and the difference between hearing his words and actually doing them.

But your argument seems to assume that because many Christians fail to live up to Jesus' standard, Matthew 25 therefore has no relevance to how Christians participate in a republic. I don't follow that logic.
The question isn't, "How many Christians are perfect enough to hold the nation accountable?" None of us are.

The question is, what moral standard has Jesus given his followers? In Matthew 25, Jesus explicitly identifies feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, welcoming the stranger, clothing the naked, and visiting prisoners as matters of moral responsibility.

And you're right about the uncomfortable part: plenty of churchgoers aren't exactly eager to embrace the poor, homeless, or marginalized. But that's an indictment of Christians failing to live according to Jesusnot an argument against taking Jesus seriously.
In fact, your observation makes my point even more important: calling ourselves Christian doesn't automatically make us obedient to Christ. The church and Christian voters have to be challenged by Matthew 25 just as much as anyone else.

I'm not claiming that the government can manufacture Christian virtue. I'm saying that in a republic, citizensincluding Christiansbring their moral convictions into the public square and vote accordingly.
The real question isn't whether Christians are perfect.
It's whether Matthew 25 should matter to Christians when they decide what kind of society they want to build.

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fair enough.. the most important thing to me is doing the things in Matthew 25. I stand on it is tge individual to do the hard things. Love their neighbor, feed the hungry, forgive those that transgress against them. The govt is built to steer the populous away from discord but the individual is called to love thy neighbor. When the govt started doing, the individual stopped. Most dont even know their neighbors.

I am a strong advocate for helping all who are in need during your daily walk. In fact, that is a morning prayer of mine. Place all who I am to help today in my path. I pour out the resources I have to fill the requests of those in need. Spread the gospel to those that need the word, remind those who already love Him that they are loved and seen by Him.

Churches today seem more about numbers than equiping the congregation to go out into the world and do things listed in Matthew 25.

4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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4th: how many true bible believing Christians are there to hold the nation accountable? How many "Christians" are tares among the wheat? In 2026, i would bet that less than 20% of the voting population of the USA would faithfully uphold the moral responsibility to the level Jesus desires of us in Matthew.

Plenty of church goers get icked out just by homeless/poorly dressed people in their church. How many of them are out on the streets asking every day, how can I help?

Waco: I never said every person who calls themselves a Christian faithfully lives out Matthew 25. Obviously they don't. Jesus himself warned about hypocrisy, false disciples, and the difference between hearing his words and actually doing them.

But your argument seems to assume that because many Christians fail to live up to Jesus' standard, Matthew 25 therefore has no relevance to how Christians participate in a republic. I don't follow that logic.
The question isn't, "How many Christians are perfect enough to hold the nation accountable?" None of us are.

The question is, what moral standard has Jesus given his followers? In Matthew 25, Jesus explicitly identifies feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, welcoming the stranger, clothing the naked, and visiting prisoners as matters of moral responsibility.

And you're right about the uncomfortable part: plenty of churchgoers aren't exactly eager to embrace the poor, homeless, or marginalized. But that's an indictment of Christians failing to live according to Jesusnot an argument against taking Jesus seriously.
In fact, your observation makes my point even more important: calling ourselves Christian doesn't automatically make us obedient to Christ. The church and Christian voters have to be challenged by Matthew 25 just as much as anyone else.

I'm not claiming that the government can manufacture Christian virtue. I'm saying that in a republic, citizensincluding Christiansbring their moral convictions into the public square and vote accordingly.
The real question isn't whether Christians are perfect.
It's whether Matthew 25 should matter to Christians when they decide what kind of society they want to build.

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fair enough.. the most important thing to me is doing the things in Matthew 25. I stand on it is tge individual to do the hard things. Love their neighbor, feed the hungry, forgive those that transgress against them. The govt is built to steer the populous away from discord but the individual is called to love thy neighbor. When the govt started doing, the individual stopped. Most dont even know their neighbors.

I am a strong advocate for helping all who are in need during your daily walk. In fact, that is a morning prayer of mine. Place all who I am to help today in my path. I pour out the resources I have to fill the requests of those in need. Spread the gospel to those that need the word, remind those who already love Him that they are loved and seen by Him.

Churches today seem more about numbers than equiping the congregation to go out into the world and do things listed in Matthew 25.

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Well said. I agree with the bible on this one. It is our responsibility as children of the world to help a brother or sister out. I try to make a difference in my daily travels when. it presents itself.(don't mean check writing) All one has to do is look right under our noses. When you get right town to it. We are all just trying to make through this mortal coil. Deeds, not words. When back in Dallas I choose to attend an Urban Church (Reunion Church) lead by a prince of a BU man, Richard Ellis . We take all comers. It is antithetical to Park Cities Pres,(which I really like) but both serve purposes. I attend an Anglican Church here in Bangkok. Now,, that is church to me. We have every socioeconomic peeps, many ethnicities, Thais,Indian, European, American .. Cool place. No judgement, politics , status ect, clothes don't matter..

Waco1947 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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Not exactly hiding, but yes many non-dom are very Baptist like and concerned for reaching souls for Christ.

The rest of your statement is hogwash - lacking in social justice and real empathy. Traditional Baptists are some of the most charitable people on the planet, and actually have a real care for people. Liberals like you are more about lip syncing and overlooking all the good that real christians do in their communities. You take your programming from godless atheists and you wrap it in a fake Jesus candy-wrapper.

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Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.

Mt 25: 31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

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you're an idiot. Jesus did not call nations to enact socialist governments.

Also, conservatives are the most charitable people. Libis are scumbags who want to take other people's money rather than use their own.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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One of the biggest stories in American religion is the rise of the non-denominationals.
A rounding error back in the 1970s.
Today? ~33% of all Protestants say they are non-denom.
There are at least 35 million of them in the US. Three times the size of the largest denomination. pic.twitter.com/6q9tVumuCI

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) August 9, 2026

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Baptists hiding behind Denom. Evangelical theology is common to both. Preaching heavy on saving souls (which ok) but totally lacking in social justice and real empathy for people.

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Not exactly hiding, but yes many non-dom are very Baptist like and concerned for reaching souls for Christ.

The rest of your statement is hogwash - lacking in social justice and real empathy. Traditional Baptists are some of the most charitable people on the planet, and actually have a real care for people. Liberals like you are more about lip syncing and overlooking all the good that real christians do in their communities. You take your programming from godless atheists and you wrap it in a fake Jesus candy-wrapper.

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Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.

Mt 25: 31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

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you're an idiot. Jesus did not call nations to enact socialist governments.

Also, conservatives are the most charitable people. Libis are scumbags who want to take other people's money rather than use their own.

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And "nations," as God defines the term, are not geopolitical entities, that is, nationalities. They are ethnic/linguistic people groups, that is, non-governmental.