Seems to me not, much. total waste of time, money and lives. We beat up their navy. That's it . None of what Trump said he was invading Iran for happened. Id' argue we are way worse off before the . Trump got taken to the cleaners. Thoughts?
What did we accomplish in Iran
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Truly very little. We maybe destroyed 50% of their ballistic missile capability, but now we say they need their ballistic missiles. We destroyed their navy, but they can clearly still run little boats around and mine the Strait. We took out leaders of a regime, which were replaced by more evil leaders from the same regime. We all paid more for gas, and everything. And now the deal guarantees Iran 300 billion dollars.
It is truly an incredible defeat.
It is truly an incredible defeat.
Trump today was gloating today about "inflicting a trillion dollars worth of damage on Iran." Not a good look.
The irony is that American taxpayers will probably be charged with rebuilding Iran.
We have become the big bully of the world. I guess we're gonna kick Cuba's ass next. And then, of course, send them $billions. That is just how Trump rolls.
The irony is that American taxpayers will probably be charged with rebuilding Iran.
We have become the big bully of the world. I guess we're gonna kick Cuba's ass next. And then, of course, send them $billions. That is just how Trump rolls.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
Liberals tears are always delicious
Danielsjackson114 said:
Liberals tears are always delicious
Tears? Only the families of the slain are crying. The rest of us are shaking our heads and moving on.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Trump today was gloating today about "inflicting a trillion dollars worth of damage on Iran." Not a good look.
The irony is that American taxpayers will probably be charged with rebuilding Iran.
We have become the big bully of the world. I guess we're gonna kick Cuba's ass next. And then, of course, send them $billions. That is just how Trump rolls.
We can at least bully Cuba some, lose, then not have to pay them squat. Give us some credit man.
Hey in addition to their navy being destroyed I have seen that we may have destroyed the last of their F14s…… so I mean that is a win that we destroyed 50 year old tech……..
Also, we opened the straight….. you know the one that was open before the war……
Also, we opened the straight….. you know the one that was open before the war……
You guys sound awfully jaded.
We prevented an entire civilization from dying.
Somebody's due a Nobel Prize ....
We prevented an entire civilization from dying.
Somebody's due a Nobel Prize ....
Gunter gleiben glauchen globen
fubar said:
You guys sound awfully jaded.
We prevented an entire civilization from dying.
Somebody's due a Nobel Prize ....
"Nobody has ever seen anything like it! We are the hottest country in the world!"
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
Danielsjackson114 said:
Liberals tears are always delicious
move along little fella. You are an idiot as you have demonstrated. Dems bad. maga good. please, monkey boy! There is a question posed here. Do you have an answer or just slinging insults.
cowboycwr said:
Hey in addition to their navy being destroyed I have seen that we may have destroyed the last of their F14s…… so I mean that is a win that we destroyed 50 year old tech……..
Also, we opened the straight….. you know the one that was open before the war……
Here is a fun fact nobody talks about. The youngest B-52 Bomber in our fleet is 64 years old. The last one was delivered to the Air Force in 1962.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
Who is mad that Trump did not force Iran to open a Casey's so he could transfer and find a nice woman in a beekeeper suit?
J.R. said:
Seems to me not, much. total waste of time, money and lives. We beat up their navy. That's it . None of what Trump said he was invading Iran for happened. Id' argue we are way worse off before the . Trump got taken to the cleaners. Thoughts?
We Made America Worse Again.
And while in some way I'm glad to see the neocons that have done so much harm to the country over the last several decades run right into the wall of reality, the cost for that was far too high.
Danielsjackson114 said:
Liberals tears are always delicious
Bootlickers running to defend Daddy Trump's utter incompetence are always hilarious.
Lost on Trump, of course, is the historical symmetry of signing surrender documents in the Palace of Versailles.
He didn't want to be Herbert Hoover. He chose Herman Muller instead
He didn't want to be Herbert Hoover. He chose Herman Muller instead
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
LTbear said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Liberals tears are always delicious
Bootlickers running to defend Daddy Trump's utter incompetence are always hilarious.
I don't expect anything different from you living in the Austin area.
How are those gay pride parades and homlessness?
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https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush
What did we accomplish?
You people are nuts!
What did we accomplish?
You people are nuts!
I miss the days when lil jr was a "conservative"
Realitybites said:J.R. said:
Seems to me not, much. total waste of time, money and lives. We beat up their navy. That's it . None of what Trump said he was invading Iran for happened. Id' argue we are way worse off before the . Trump got taken to the cleaners. Thoughts?
We Made America Worse Again.
And while in some way I'm glad to see the neocons that have done so much harm to the country over the last several decades run right into the wall of reality, the cost for that was far too high.
High as giraffe *****. (Finally, I can use that properly)
Danielsjackson114 said:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush
What did we accomplish?
You people are nuts!
Obama hasn't been president for 10 years.
I agree that this latest foray was a mistake, but I do think some of you are underselling the damage done for political reasons. Here is a list:
The problem with these types of military misadventures is that Trump overestimated the power of the Iranian people and the willingness of the religious zealots to give up control. It's the same mistake we've made many times in our nation building forays over the years.
- We destroyed around 50 military bases and key facilities (air bases, missile sites, naval bases);
- We essentially ended their military and financial support for Hezbollah;
- Iran's nuclear facilities (Natanz, Fordow, etc.) were struck, with some major destruction to enrichment infrastructure;
- Its ballistic missile arsenal was "severely degraded" according to our military.
- It's air force and navy were destroyed.
The problem with these types of military misadventures is that Trump overestimated the power of the Iranian people and the willingness of the religious zealots to give up control. It's the same mistake we've made many times in our nation building forays over the years.
The why did you start a whole thread about him?
Just so I have you resident LWNj's straight. according to you the better alternative would've been to ignore the actionable intelligence that a group of insane Shiite Muslim extremists who believe that it's "allah's will" that they destroy Israel and the USA and either convert the rest of the world to their radical brand of Islam or kill them too are are on the precipice of producing nukes - and do nothing. Why not just keep kicking the can down the road like the last 47 years, right? Why not just hand it off to our kids - after all, maybe, just maybe complete lunes with nukes won't actually act like lunes even in the long run - right?
I agree that presently it's disappointing regime change hasn't happened, but I also believe it's highly possible the full story on that hasn't been written yet and we should stay tuned.
I agree that presently it's disappointing regime change hasn't happened, but I also believe it's highly possible the full story on that hasn't been written yet and we should stay tuned.
Mitch Blood Green said:Danielsjackson114 said:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush
What did we accomplish?
You people are nuts!
Obama hasn't been president for 10 years.
Less than two if you include his proxy
Mothra said:
I agree that this latest foray was a mistake, but I do think some of you are underselling the damage done for political reasons. Here is a list:While I would argue that these weren't necessarily worth the costs, the idea that Iran is "stronger" is just silly. Iran's best weapon is terrorism. It's a paper tiger that would fold pretty quickly if we ever decided to invade (we won't).
- We destroyed around 50 military bases and key facilities (air bases, missile sites, naval bases);
- We essentially ended their military and financial support for Hezbollah;
- Iran's nuclear facilities (Natanz, Fordow, etc.) were struck, with some major destruction to enrichment infrastructure;
- Its ballistic missile arsenal was "severely degraded" according to our military.
- It's air force and navy were destroyed.
The problem with these types of military misadventures is that Trump overestimated the power of the Iranian people and the willingness of the religious zealots to give up control. It's the same mistake we've made many times in our nation building forays over the years.
Mothra said:
I agree that this latest foray was a mistake, but I do think some of you are underselling the damage done for political reasons. Here is a list:While I would argue that these weren't necessarily worth the costs, the idea that Iran is "stronger" is just silly. Iran's best weapon is terrorism. It's a paper tiger that would fold pretty quickly if we ever decided to invade (we won't).
- We destroyed around 50 military bases and key facilities (air bases, missile sites, naval bases);
- We essentially ended their military and financial support for Hezbollah;
- Iran's nuclear facilities (Natanz, Fordow, etc.) were struck, with some major destruction to enrichment infrastructure;
- Its ballistic missile arsenal was "severely degraded" according to our military.
- It's air force and navy were destroyed.
The problem with these types of military misadventures is that Trump overestimated the power of the Iranian people and the willingness of the religious zealots to give up control. It's the same mistake we've made many times in our nation building forays over the years.
You know better than anyone that when people enter a negotiation, they have different goals. The (Trump) perspective looks very western world. "We destroyed all this stuff." That's a win if Iran cared about all that stuff.
It excludes all the bases and planes and credibility we lost.
Iran gets to say they took a shot and survived. They also get to rebuild.
I'm not convinced that destruction was our goal.
Mitch Blood Green said:Mothra said:
I agree that this latest foray was a mistake, but I do think some of you are underselling the damage done for political reasons. Here is a list:While I would argue that these weren't necessarily worth the costs, the idea that Iran is "stronger" is just silly. Iran's best weapon is terrorism. It's a paper tiger that would fold pretty quickly if we ever decided to invade (we won't).
- We destroyed around 50 military bases and key facilities (air bases, missile sites, naval bases);
- We essentially ended their military and financial support for Hezbollah;
- Iran's nuclear facilities (Natanz, Fordow, etc.) were struck, with some major destruction to enrichment infrastructure;
- Its ballistic missile arsenal was "severely degraded" according to our military.
- It's air force and navy were destroyed.
The problem with these types of military misadventures is that Trump overestimated the power of the Iranian people and the willingness of the religious zealots to give up control. It's the same mistake we've made many times in our nation building forays over the years.
You know better than anyone that when people enter a negotiation, they have different goals. The (Trump) perspective looks very western world. "We destroyed all this stuff." That's a win if Iran cared about all that stuff.
It excludes all the bases and planes and credibility we lost.
Iran gets to say they took a shot and survived. They also get to rebuild.
I'm not convinced that destruction was our goal.
I think the Trump perspective was that if he hit these targets, the people would essentially rise up and overthrow the Mullahs. That was the critical error in judgment.
I am not sure Iran gets to brag about anything here. They've been reduced to a paper tiger that has no teeth, essentially. The media narrative is they're somehow stronger, but that's not reality.
Mitch Blood Green said:Mothra said:
I agree that this latest foray was a mistake, but I do think some of you are underselling the damage done for political reasons. Here is a list:While I would argue that these weren't necessarily worth the costs, the idea that Iran is "stronger" is just silly. Iran's best weapon is terrorism. It's a paper tiger that would fold pretty quickly if we ever decided to invade (we won't).
- We destroyed around 50 military bases and key facilities (air bases, missile sites, naval bases);
- We essentially ended their military and financial support for Hezbollah;
- Iran's nuclear facilities (Natanz, Fordow, etc.) were struck, with some major destruction to enrichment infrastructure;
- Its ballistic missile arsenal was "severely degraded" according to our military.
- It's air force and navy were destroyed.
The problem with these types of military misadventures is that Trump overestimated the power of the Iranian people and the willingness of the religious zealots to give up control. It's the same mistake we've made many times in our nation building forays over the years.
You know better than anyone that when people enter a negotiation, they have different goals. The (Trump) perspective looks very western world. "We destroyed all this stuff." That's a win if Iran cared about all that stuff.
It excludes all the bases and planes and credibility we lost.
Iran gets to say they took a shot and survived. They also get to rebuild.
I'm not convinced that destruction was our goal.
the THAAD and PAV/PAWS losses in the region we took were pretty freakin' significant even if we publicly downplayed them (after denying it had even happened for days).
Mothra said:Mitch Blood Green said:Mothra said:
I agree that this latest foray was a mistake, but I do think some of you are underselling the damage done for political reasons. Here is a list:While I would argue that these weren't necessarily worth the costs, the idea that Iran is "stronger" is just silly. Iran's best weapon is terrorism. It's a paper tiger that would fold pretty quickly if we ever decided to invade (we won't).
- We destroyed around 50 military bases and key facilities (air bases, missile sites, naval bases);
- We essentially ended their military and financial support for Hezbollah;
- Iran's nuclear facilities (Natanz, Fordow, etc.) were struck, with some major destruction to enrichment infrastructure;
- Its ballistic missile arsenal was "severely degraded" according to our military.
- It's air force and navy were destroyed.
The problem with these types of military misadventures is that Trump overestimated the power of the Iranian people and the willingness of the religious zealots to give up control. It's the same mistake we've made many times in our nation building forays over the years.
You know better than anyone that when people enter a negotiation, they have different goals. The (Trump) perspective looks very western world. "We destroyed all this stuff." That's a win if Iran cared about all that stuff.
It excludes all the bases and planes and credibility we lost.
Iran gets to say they took a shot and survived. They also get to rebuild.
I'm not convinced that destruction was our goal.
I think the Trump perspective was that if he hit these targets, the people would essentially rise up and overthrow the Mullahs. That was the critical error in judgment.
I am not sure Iran gets to brag about anything here. They've been reduced to a paper tiger that has no teeth, essentially. The media narrative is they're somehow stronger, but that's not reality.
They have a lot of teeth. In 60 days they get to charge a toll to travel through the strait. They also have significant backing by China and China got to view how their weapons can work against us.
Hopefully we stop getting rid of highly qualified military personnel and get back to proper preparation.
Johnny Bear said:
Just so I have you resident LWNj's straight. according to you the better alternative would've been to ignore the actionable intelligence that a group of insane Shiite Muslim extremists who believe that it's "allah's will" that they destroy Israel and the USA and either convert the rest of the world to their radical brand of Islam or kill them too are are on the precipice of producing nukes - and do nothing. Why not just keep kicking the can down the road like the last 47 years, right? Why not just hand it off to our kids - after all, maybe, just maybe complete lunes with nukes won't actually act like lunes even in the long run - right?
I agree that presently it's disappointing regime change hasn't happened, but I also believe it's highly possible the full story on that hasn't been written yet and we should stay tuned.
We know there was no actionable intelligence. Hopefully our kids will figure out that Iran being three months away from a nuke for 47 years doesn't add up.
Mitch Blood Green said:Mothra said:Mitch Blood Green said:Mothra said:
I agree that this latest foray was a mistake, but I do think some of you are underselling the damage done for political reasons. Here is a list:While I would argue that these weren't necessarily worth the costs, the idea that Iran is "stronger" is just silly. Iran's best weapon is terrorism. It's a paper tiger that would fold pretty quickly if we ever decided to invade (we won't).
- We destroyed around 50 military bases and key facilities (air bases, missile sites, naval bases);
- We essentially ended their military and financial support for Hezbollah;
- Iran's nuclear facilities (Natanz, Fordow, etc.) were struck, with some major destruction to enrichment infrastructure;
- Its ballistic missile arsenal was "severely degraded" according to our military.
- It's air force and navy were destroyed.
The problem with these types of military misadventures is that Trump overestimated the power of the Iranian people and the willingness of the religious zealots to give up control. It's the same mistake we've made many times in our nation building forays over the years.
You know better than anyone that when people enter a negotiation, they have different goals. The (Trump) perspective looks very western world. "We destroyed all this stuff." That's a win if Iran cared about all that stuff.
It excludes all the bases and planes and credibility we lost.
Iran gets to say they took a shot and survived. They also get to rebuild.
I'm not convinced that destruction was our goal.
I think the Trump perspective was that if he hit these targets, the people would essentially rise up and overthrow the Mullahs. That was the critical error in judgment.
I am not sure Iran gets to brag about anything here. They've been reduced to a paper tiger that has no teeth, essentially. The media narrative is they're somehow stronger, but that's not reality.
They have a lot of teeth. In 60 days they get to charge a toll to travel through the strait. They also have significant backing by China and China got to view how their weapons can work against us.
Hopefully we stop getting rid of highly qualified military personnel and get back to proper preparation.
From what I understand, the agreement doesn't give them the right to charge tolls. It simply says they won't attempt to charge tolls for a period of 60 days. The US still disputes their ability to do so.
That's not teeth, in any meaningful use of that term.
Sam Lowry said:Johnny Bear said:
Just so I have you resident LWNj's straight. according to you the better alternative would've been to ignore the actionable intelligence that a group of insane Shiite Muslim extremists who believe that it's "allah's will" that they destroy Israel and the USA and either convert the rest of the world to their radical brand of Islam or kill them too are are on the precipice of producing nukes - and do nothing. Why not just keep kicking the can down the road like the last 47 years, right? Why not just hand it off to our kids - after all, maybe, just maybe complete lunes with nukes won't actually act like lunes even in the long run - right?
I agree that presently it's disappointing regime change hasn't happened, but I also believe it's highly possible the full story on that hasn't been written yet and we should stay tuned.
We know there was no actionable intelligence. Hopefully our kids will figure out that Iran being three months away from a nuke for 47 years doesn't add up.
Well, you used to argue that Iran acquiring nukes was inevitable, so...
Danielsjackson114 said:LTbear said:Danielsjackson114 said:
Liberals tears are always delicious
Bootlickers running to defend Daddy Trump's utter incompetence are always hilarious.
I don't expect anything different from you living in the Austin area.
How are those gay pride parades and homlessness?
and just what podunk chit hole you live in, boy? Austin too queer for you, huh? You are nut job. Did you get that job at the Ace Hardware Store in your 2 bit town? Job would do you wonders.