Flock cameras make us safer

Osodecentx said:

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Flock cameras make us safer

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Clown take. Just say you want to live in a government surveillance state.

Mitch Henessey said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Flock cameras make us safer

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Clown take. Just say you want to live in a government surveillance state.

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Keeping us safe is an important task of government

Osodecentx said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Flock cameras make us safer

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Clown take. Just say you want to live in a government surveillance state.

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Keeping us safe is an important task of government

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Becoming Big Brother and spying on the citizens is not.
The American people don't want to live in a modern Nazi or Soviet state.

Facts About Flock Cameras: Everything You Need To Know pic.twitter.com/rlTZ71NCRE

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 25, 2026

historian said:

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Besides the obvious constitutional issues regarding privacy and fears of a more tyrannical police state, there are other issues. For example:

Wisconsin police pull over wrong vehicle, draw guns on woman after Flock cameras mistakenly identified her car in a homicide case. Twice

https://notthebee.com/article/wisconsin-police-pull-over-wrong-vehicle-draw-guns-on-woman-after-flock-cameras-mistakenly-identified-her-car-in-a-homicide-case-twice

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There are certainly some t
Privacy tradeoffs and some well publicized issues,however what you dont hear about is all the criminals, terriost both here legally amd illegally that are being swept off the streets, last count was over 50,000 and these cameras really help all the law enforment agencies keep us safe.

joseywales said:

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historian said:

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Besides the obvious constitutional issues regarding privacy and fears of a more tyrannical police state, there are other issues. For example:

Wisconsin police pull over wrong vehicle, draw guns on woman after Flock cameras mistakenly identified her car in a homicide case. Twice

https://notthebee.com/article/wisconsin-police-pull-over-wrong-vehicle-draw-guns-on-woman-after-flock-cameras-mistakenly-identified-her-car-in-a-homicide-case-twice

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There are certainly some t
Privacy tradeoffs and some well publicized issues,however what you dont hear about is all the criminals, terriost both here legally amd illegally that are being swept off the streets, last count was over 50,000 and these cameras really help all the law enforment agencies keep us safe.

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It's incredible we've been able to survive as a society for 250 years without these modern miracles.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Benjamin Franklin

That is a good point. Most people are certainly happy to see Justice for criminals, especially violent ones and illegal aliens.

A great Ben Franklin quote and very much appropriate.

historian said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Flock cameras make us safer

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Clown take. Just say you want to live in a government surveillance state.

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Keeping us safe is an important task of government

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Becoming Big Brother and spying on the citizens is not.
The American people don't want to live in a modern Nazi or Soviet state.

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I agree

Florida county officials have no idea where extra Flock cameras came from, or who owns them

https://notthebee.com/article/flock-cameras-appeared-in-this-florida-county-but-no-one-knows-where-they-came-from-or-who-owns-them

historian said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Flock cameras make us safer

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Clown take. Just say you want to live in a government surveillance state.

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Keeping us safe is an important task of government

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Becoming Big Brother and spying on the citizens is not.
The American people don't want to live in a modern Nazi or Soviet state.

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Flock cameras won't lead to a Nazi or Soviet state. Citizens who aren't safe will act in an unlawful manner which might lead to the result neither of us wants

Osodecentx said:

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historian said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Flock cameras make us safer

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Clown take. Just say you want to live in a government surveillance state.

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Keeping us safe is an important task of government

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Becoming Big Brother and spying on the citizens is not.
The American people don't want to live in a modern Nazi or Soviet state.

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Flock cameras won't lead to a Nazi or Soviet state. Citizens who aren't safe will act in an unlawful manner which might lead to the result neither of us wants

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Just gonna leave this here:

Florida woman featured in CBS12 investigation takes Flock camera case to Congress

Officer who used Flock cameras and wrongly accused woman of package theft will be disciplined | 9news.com

Dozens of Innocent Motorists Have Been Pulled Over, Detained at Gunpoint, or Jailed Due to AI License Plate Camera Errors - Institute for Justice

Flock cameras have already been abused several times which is why people don't like them. In of themselves, they probably won't lead to a dictatorship or overthrow our liberties but they are one step in a king stream of abuses that could produce those results.

No one knows what the future will bring.

🚨 #BREAKING: Federal judge rules Flock's camera network violates 4th Amendment rights, accusing the company of building an "indiscriminate mass surveillance" network. pic.twitter.com/cA5IObOsli

— R A W S A L E R T S (@rawsalerts) October 3, 2026

historian said:

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Flock cameras have already been abused several times which is why people don't like them. In of themselves, they probably won't lead to a dictatorship or overthrow our liberties but they are one step in a king stream of abuses that could produce those results.

No one knows what the future will bring.

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In the early days of license plate data bases there were abuses (cops checking on ex wives or girlfriends). They figured it out and safeguards have worked. Flock cameras make us safer. Safeguards can be worked out to protect privacy interests

If reasonable safeguards are put in place without violating our constitutional rights then they might be acceptable. The problem is that many people don't trust the government or Big Tech to get it right. They have given us many reasons over the years to distrust them.

historian said:

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If reasonable safeguards are put in place without violating our constitutional rights then they might be acceptable. The problem is that many people don't trust the government or Big Tech to get it right. They have given us many reasons over the years to distrust them.

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Yep

Osodecentx said:

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historian said:

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If reasonable safeguards are put in place without violating our constitutional rights then they might be acceptable. The problem is that many people don't trust the government or Big Tech to get it right. They have given us many reasons over the years to distrust them.

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Yep

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Agreed

historian said:

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If reasonable safeguards are put in place without violating our constitutional rights then they might be acceptable. The problem is that many people don't trust the government or Big Tech to get it right. They have given us many reasons over the years to distrust them.

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What's the big deal? You think they're going to randomly blow you up like some Venezuelan fisherman or something?

Don't worry...you're white.

You mean protecting America from illegal drugs that kills thousands of our citizens? Naturally you would rather have a large number of Americans dead than foreign criminals. It's difficult for us normies to mourn murderers when they receive justice.

You probably want Iran to get nukes do they can blow up the world by starting WWIII!

historian said:

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You mean protecting America from illegal drugs that kills thousands of our citizens? Naturally you would rather have a large number of Americans dead than foreign criminals. It's difficult for us normies to mourn murderers when they receive justice.

You probably want Iran to get nukes do they can blow up the world by starting WWIII!

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Won't cameras protect us even better? If you're not a criminal, what do you have to fear?

Everyone has reason to fear a government spying on them. They will abuse power regardless. No reason to make it easy for them. We only need to remember Obama's IRS, DoJ, etc and Biden's FBI, DoJ, and everything else.

Leftists don't care as much because their fascist leaders usually only target conservatives and the GOP uses the DoJ & other agencies against criminals. That's what normies want them to do. Leftists should care because corrupt politicians and bureaucrats who target some people unjustly could easily target others. They never know when someone like Biden won't go after them too.

historian said:

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Everyone has reason to fear a government spying on them. They will abuse power regardless. No reason to make it easy for them. We only need to remember Obama's IRS, DoJ, etc and Biden's FBI, DoJ, and everything else.

Leftists don't care as much because their fascist leaders usually only target conservatives and the GOP uses the DoJ & other agencies against criminals. That's what normies want them to do. Leftists should care because corrupt politicians and bureaucrats who target some people unjustly could easily target others. They never know when someone like Biden won't go after them too.

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You constantly rail against "Leftists," but, from what I can tell, most of the communities that have implemented contracts with Flock have been in areas that lean heavily GOP. Nothing you just said above has much relevance to Flock cameras and the politicians who want them in their constituents' communities. What gives?

Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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You mean protecting America from illegal drugs that kills thousands of our citizens? Naturally you would rather have a large number of Americans dead than foreign criminals. It's difficult for us normies to mourn murderers when they receive justice.

You probably want Iran to get nukes do they can blow up the world by starting WWIII!

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Won't cameras protect us even better? If you're not a criminal, what do you have to fear?

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Being wrongly arrested for a crime you had nothing to do with, for one:

Florida Woman Spent 13 Days in Jail After Flock Camera Data Led to Wrongful Arrest, Testifies Before Senate | Law Commentary