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I got no need for this non-sense. Jews get Cheeseburgers, Muslims can enjoy some nice Jav. (Is the Jav in the Swine family ?

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Nope

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thanks. didn't think so with my limited Jav. experience. Substute crispy pig ears!

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Dealpfffdeal said:

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Baylor allows this BS but can't serve a damn beer at a football game? Embarrassing

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Lmao

Hey, look on the bright side. You can eat some Halal chicken while you watch us go 6-6.

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Then I can be the coach. I've coached 6 man for 3yrs. Totally different game. Fun tho

Danielsjackson114 said:

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GET THIS BS OUT!

WHEN DO THE FEET WASHING STATIONS COME?

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Jesus commanded us to wash one another's feet
"Do you know what I have done to you? 13 You call me Teacher and Lord, and you are right, for that is what I am. 14 So if I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. 15 For I have set you an example"

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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GET THIS BS OUT!

WHEN DO THE FEET WASHING STATIONS COME?

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Jesus commanded us to wash one another's feet
"Do you know what I have done to you? 13 You call me Teacher and Lord, and you are right, for that is what I am. 14 So if I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. 15 For I have set you an example"

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Did Jesus demand people wash their feet, or his feet, in a certain proscribed Islamic ritual way?

P.S.

Not to mention Muhammad did not even know what halal was and never mentioned the Islamic legal practice

Its a product of the later Islamic empires of conquest that dominated the Middle East and parts of Europe (empires of hideous oppression of religious minorities)

"The definition of what is permissible (halal) and forbidden (haram) was not fully established during Muhammad's lifetime"

Global standards of halal are so new they were not even around until the 1970s

[Pioneer independent regulatory bodies were founded to standardize inspections. For example, Singapore's Majlis Ugama Islam Singapura (MUIS) launched its halal services in 1973]

Bacon and Sausage breakfast burritos prior to call to prayer in the Donald J. Trump prayer room!

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Lmao now looney liberals trying to mask up Wokeness/dei as simply "being nice"

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Hiring someone less qualified because of their race or religion is wrong. Cooking them a meal they like is not.

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For the 100th time

Halal is not a type of cooking or cuisine

It's a type of ritual slaughter and a type of purity test

[Halal is an Arabic word that translates to permissible or lawful. In Islam, it refers to any action, behavior, object, or food that is allowed according to Islamic law (Sharia). Its opposite is Haram, which means forbidden.

Chicken, beef, goat, lamb, and most seafood are permissible.

Forbidden items (Haram): Pork, alcohol, blood, carnivorous animals, birds of prey, and meat from animals that died of natural causes are strictly forbidden.

Permissible land animals must be slaughtered according to specific religious requirements: The animal must be alive and healthy at the time of slaughter, The blood must be drained from the carcass, The name of God (Allah) must be pronounced during the proces]

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A heart/lung shot is naturally going to bring down a whitetail. Venison is NOT halal

Baylor has always had non-Christian students, including students of other faiths. As far as whether it makes sense to cater to their particular dining practices, for me that would just come down to economics.

Does Baylor also offer guaranteed kosher food? How many Jewish students do we have?

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Baylor has always had non-Christian students, including students of other faiths. As far as whether it makes sense to cater to their particular dining practices, for me that would just come down to economics.

Does Baylor also offer guaranteed kosher food? How many Jewish students do we have?

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[Baylor University does not feature a dedicated, certified kosher dining hall or comprehensive kosher meal program]

[According to official university enrollment data, Baylor University has 35 students who explicitly self-identify as Jewish, which accounts for approximately 0.18% of the total student body]

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Robert Wilson said:

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Baylor has always had non-Christian students, including students of other faiths. As far as whether it makes sense to cater to their particular dining practices, for me that would just come down to economics.

Does Baylor also offer guaranteed kosher food? How many Jewish students do we have?

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[Baylor University does not feature a dedicated, certified kosher dining hall or comprehensive kosher meal program]

[According to official university enrollment data, Baylor University has 35 students who explicitly self-identify as Jewish, which accounts for approximately 0.18% of the total student body]

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Interesting. I figured we had no kosher options, and I figured it was fewer Jewish students than Muslim, but I'm a little surprised it's that many fewer.

Hamas Harry aka Sam Losery approves

He loves terrorist organizations like Hamas

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Still can't tell me that Aranda is purely DEI

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I've come around to your thinking. Not only should we never have a minority coach, we should field an all white team.

The right kind of whites!

The team should only come from Christian schools.

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Christian is too broad, is too loosely defined, and too much heresy. An all white Baptist team is what's needed. You know, with Baptist values.

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The essential problem I see here, is an ostensibly Christian university over and over demonstrating that identity is just a facade, a veneer.

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I agree with you. It's time to drop the facade.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Baylor has always had non-Christian students, including students of other faiths. As far as whether it makes sense to cater to their particular dining practices, for me that would just come down to economics.

Does Baylor also offer guaranteed kosher food? How many Jewish students do we have?

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[Baylor University does not feature a dedicated, certified kosher dining hall or comprehensive kosher meal program]

[According to official university enrollment data, Baylor University has 35 students who explicitly self-identify as Jewish, which accounts for approximately 0.18% of the total student body]

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Interesting. I figured we had no kosher options, and I figured it was fewer Jewish students than Muslim, but I'm a little surprised it's that many fewer.

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Yea not a large amount of students in that group.

We have roughly about as many Hindu students as Muslims students (275-300)

And 109 LDS-Mormons

Baptists, Catholics, and non-Denom Christians in the 2,400 to 3,400 range

https://ir.web.baylor.edu/fall-facts-2025

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I think Baylor created a completely unnecessary PR problem for itself. We are a Christian university with roughly 20,000 students, and by the best estimates Muslims represent maybe 1% of the student body, perhaps 200 students.

I have no issue with Muslim students attending Baylor or practicing their faith. But when you choose to attend an explicitly Christian university, I don't think the university has an obligation to modify its dining program around every religious practice. There are halal options available off campus in Waco, just as students with other preferences sometimes have to go off campus for what they want.

The bigger issue is the complete lack of upside for Baylor. Even if offering halal food seems like a small accommodation, Baylor had to know that promoting it around "diversity" would create controversy among alumni, donors, parents, and prospective students who value Baylor specifically because of its Christian identity. We created a national PR headache ourselves to solve a problem affecting a very small percentage of students.

Baylor should be welcoming to everyone. But being welcoming doesn't require constantly changing the institution to accommodate every group that comes through the doors. Students also choose Baylor knowing what Baylor is. We are a Christian university, and we should be confident enough in that identity that the expectation isn't always for Baylor to assimilate to everyone else.

This wasn't some crisis that needed solving. It was an unnecessary decision with very little benefit and a completely predictable reputational downside.

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How? It's been in place a year. You just learned about it.

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And now it's out and the damage is done. It took a year? Neat. Result is the same. Baylor is under no compunction to cater to ANY other religion. Why? Because those are false religions.

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What damage? There's a place on campus that serves halal foods.

I bet I drive by 50 places a week that can offer me up different ways to make chicken every week. It's like the Bubba Gump of chicken in Dallas. Halal chicken, Currie chicken Korean fried chicken, Kentucky fried chicken (they let chickens die for that crap). Chicken wings. Chicken nuggets. President too chicken to serve. Always chickens out. Chicken fried chicken.

It's no "damage" to me. I'm just glad people are catching on to the greatness of chicken.

Might I interest you in those tiny watermelons? Especially from a Farmers Market. You'll be black by Wednesday.

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The damage is actual Christians thinking of attending Baylor will look elsewhere when looking for a Christian institution. Catering to false religions ONLY devalues the credibility of the world's largest Baptist university. I had jerked oxtail for dinner last night. I probably eat blacker than you, Patna! Lol

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Baylor caters to the non Baptist Christian false religions, and Baylor's credibility doesn't seem devalued any more so than when the Board of Regents assumed control from the BGT.

Redbrickbear said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Lmao now looney liberals trying to mask up Wokeness/dei as simply "being nice"

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Hiring someone less qualified because of their race or religion is wrong. Cooking them a meal they like is not.

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For the 100th time

Halal is not a type of cooking or cuisine

It's a type of ritual slaughter and a type of purity test

[Halal is an Arabic word that translates to permissible or lawful. In Islam, it refers to any action, behavior, object, or food that is allowed according to Islamic law (Sharia). Its opposite is Haram, which means forbidden.

Chicken, beef, goat, lamb, and most seafood are permissible.

Forbidden items (Haram): Pork, alcohol, blood, carnivorous animals, birds of prey, and meat from animals that died of natural causes are strictly forbidden.

Permissible land animals must be slaughtered according to specific religious requirements: The animal must be alive and healthy at the time of slaughter, The blood must be drained from the carcass, The name of God (Allah) must be pronounced during the proces]

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I didn't refer to what was in the meal. Whether it is substance or process, if it makes the guest comfortable, it is "cooking them a meal they like."

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Still can't tell me that Aranda is purely DEI

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I've come around to your thinking. Not only should we never have a minority coach, we should field an all white team.

The right kind of whites!

The team should only come from Christian schools.

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Christian is too broad, is too loosely defined, and too much heresy. An all white Baptist team is what's needed. You know, with Baptist values.

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You're right. Don't want no "Talarico" Christians or God forbid, Catholics on the team.

I believe that Roger Staubach is one of them there Catholics. Yuk!

Frank Galvin said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Lmao now looney liberals trying to mask up Wokeness/dei as simply "being nice"

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Hiring someone less qualified because of their race or religion is wrong. Cooking them a meal they like is not.

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For the 100th time

Halal is not a type of cooking or cuisine

It's a type of ritual slaughter and a type of purity test

[Halal is an Arabic word that translates to permissible or lawful. In Islam, it refers to any action, behavior, object, or food that is allowed according to Islamic law (Sharia). Its opposite is Haram, which means forbidden.

Chicken, beef, goat, lamb, and most seafood are permissible.

Forbidden items (Haram): Pork, alcohol, blood, carnivorous animals, birds of prey, and meat from animals that died of natural causes are strictly forbidden.

Permissible land animals must be slaughtered according to specific religious requirements: The animal must be alive and healthy at the time of slaughter, The blood must be drained from the carcass, The name of God (Allah) must be pronounced during the proces]

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I didn't refer to what was in the meal. Whether it is substance or process, if it makes the guest comfortable, it is "cooking them a meal they like."

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Well again...Halal is mostly not about cooking a meal per se

It has to do with religious ritualism (Islamic ritualism)...purity of the items and purity of those that produce it

Meals like Mediterranean, Egyptian, Lebanese, or Indian subcontinent style foods can be cooked with non-Halal legalistic standards or with them.

A more accurate statement would be "should we spend our money to pay for a different religions legalistic process on our campus to make sure their items or ritually pure and not contaminated by infidel hands or haram items... so they feel comfortable"

I wonder if that debate even took place...

non-Muslims can not produce the Halal items.... "the actual ritual slaughter of animals, which Islamic dietary laws traditionally require to be performed by a Muslim"

[If the animal was slaughtered in other than the name of Allah, such as slaughtering in the name of Christ or his mother, then it is forbidden as Allah the Almighty says (what means): {Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah.} [Quran 5:3] The view that meat slaughtered in this case is forbidden is the opinion that we adopt here at Islamweb, as it is the view of a group of the Companions. Ash-Shawkani, may Allaah have mercy upon him, said in Fat'h Al-Qadeer....

second consideration are their utensils. Imam al-Nawawi in his commentary on Sahih Muslim divided the utensils of disbelievers in two; utensils that were used for consumption of haram or impure foods and utensils which were not. As for such utensils which were not used for impure substances, they are permissible to use; utensils that were used for impure substances, may be used after being washed, however, it would be disliked [makruh], especially when other utensils are available.

In conclusion, it is permissible for you to accept the invite and partake of the food if it is halal in itself and not contaminated with haram. In addition, the discussion regarding their utensils above should be considered.]

PS

For Baylor to actually fully follow all Halal requirements it would almost have to build out a separate dinning facility for this....some universities have dedicated Kosher dinning halls for this purpose

So not only getting wrapped into the global Halal for profit industry...they are kind of doing a half-baked job of it.

If you really think this is what it takes to be "welcoming"...then you would need to build out dedicated spaces on campus that can be kept ritually pure to avoid "contamination" like a specific dinning hall.

[source permissible ingredients, prevent cross-contamination with forbidden items, and follow strict preparation and slaughter guidelines according to Islamic law.
All beef, lamb, and poultry must come from animals that were alive and healthy, slaughtered by a practicing Muslim uttering an Islamic blessing (Zabiha), and thoroughly bled
Complete absence of pork and its by-products, including lard, gelatin, pepsin, and certain enzymes
Elimination of alcohol and ingredients containing alcohol, such as cooking wines, beer, or pure vanilla extract used in recipes
Avoidance of blood...and certain insect-based dyes or glazes (like shellac or carmine)]

https://dining.umich.edu/meal-plans-rates/religious-observance/halal-options/

TBH I would rather eat halal or kosher chicken bc it wont have all the antibiotics and other additives that is typically added to the food that we eat.

I'm not shocked at all. Baptists are becoming woke.

muddybrazos said:

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TBH I would rather eat halal or kosher chicken bc it wont have all the antibiotics and other additives that is typically added to the food that we eat.

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Allahu Akbar!

muddybrazos said:

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TBH I would rather eat halal or kosher chicken bc it wont have all the antibiotics and other additives that is typically added to the food that we eat.

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Again,

People really have to understand that Halal is primarily about the ritual slaughter and the Islamic ritual ideals of "purity"

It does not mean chicken is antibiotic free or additive free...or that it tastes a certain way

"Halal chicken is not automatically free of antibiotics because halal rules govern how an animal is slaughtered rather than how it is raised on a farm."

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muddybrazos said:

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TBH I would rather eat halal or kosher chicken bc it wont have all the antibiotics and other additives that is typically added to the food that we eat.

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Allahu Akbar!

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and then blow it up. I mean the toilet. That and Indian food do it to me everytime.

In the grand scheme of things, not sure this is a huge deal ... but it is a little strange. I am pretty sure there are not similar accommodations at Muslim universities - although I doubt they would admit non-Muslims.

Danielsjackson114 said:

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No one wants that bull*****

If I went to a Muslim country, I would be forced to eat what they serve

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I've eaten pork and drunk plenty of bourbon in some of the most conservative Muslim countries. Many restaurants have non-halal sections of their menus.

ATL Bear said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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No one wants that bull*****

If I went to a Muslim country, I would be forced to eat what they serve

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I've eaten pork and drunk plenty of bourbon in some of the most conservative Muslim countries. Many restaurants have non-halal sections of their menus.

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That is true and of course raises another question of Baylor's endless woke-social signaling

How many of Baylor's 290 Muslim background students are even interested in halal or following its rather tedious Islamic ritualism & dead legalism.

My gut feeling is most are more secular & academic than serious about their parents old world Islamism..most are probably 2nd gen kids from Muslim immigrant households born and raised in the USA

So Baylor is paying for this…putting cash in the halal industry's pocket….but how many of the MB (Muslim background) students are even interested in partaking?

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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No one wants that bull*****

If I went to a Muslim country, I would be forced to eat what they serve

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I've eaten pork and drunk plenty of bourbon in some of the most conservative Muslim countries. Many restaurants have non-halal sections of their menus.

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That is true and of course raises another question of Baylor's endless woke-social signaling

How many of Baylor's 290 Muslim background students are even interested in halal or following its rather tedious Islamic ritualism & dead legalism.

My gut feeling is most are more secular & academic than serious about their parents old world Islamism..most are probably 2nd gen kids from Muslim immigrant households born and raised in the USA

So Baylor is paying for this…putting cash in the halal industry's pocket….but how many of the MB (Muslim background) students are even interested in partaking?

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As someone else mentioned, it would be about economics as far as a decision in my opinion. If there's limited demand, it's unnecessary. If there's a demand, what are the costs of facilitating relative to the options available.

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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No one wants that bull*****

If I went to a Muslim country, I would be forced to eat what they serve

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I've eaten pork and drunk plenty of bourbon in some of the most conservative Muslim countries. Many restaurants have non-halal sections of their menus.

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That is true and of course raises another question of Baylor's endless woke-social signaling

How many of Baylor's 290 Muslim background students are even interested in halal or following its rather tedious Islamic ritualism & dead legalism.

My gut feeling is most are more secular & academic than serious about their parents old world Islamism..most are probably 2nd gen kids from Muslim immigrant households born and raised in the USA

So Baylor is paying for this…putting cash in the halal industry's pocket….but how many of the MB (Muslim background) students are even interested in partaking?

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As someone else mentioned, it would be about economics as far as a decision in my opinion. If there's limited demand, it's unnecessary. If there's a demand, what are the costs of facilitating relative to the options available.

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My gut feeling is there is essentially no demand

Maybe a handful of our MB students would even be interested in this option…far less in actual paying for it themselves

Baylor jumped into offering it for its own social and political reasons "look at us and how welcoming, tolerant, & progressive we are"…and less from a place of actual meeting the desires of MB students

After all…we have a vast array of diversity commissars on campus…and their job is to come up with action items like this to meet various diversity mandates

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If it was done to check a box on the diversity tolerance spectrum, shame on them. If it's an intentional move to attract more Muslim students, then it could be an economic choice.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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SipEmBears said:

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I think Baylor created a completely unnecessary PR problem for itself. We are a Christian university with roughly 20,000 students, and by the best estimates Muslims represent maybe 1% of the student body, perhaps 200 students.

I have no issue with Muslim students attending Baylor or practicing their faith. But when you choose to attend an explicitly Christian university, I don't think the university has an obligation to modify its dining program around every religious practice. There are halal options available off campus in Waco, just as students with other preferences sometimes have to go off campus for what they want.

The bigger issue is the complete lack of upside for Baylor. Even if offering halal food seems like a small accommodation, Baylor had to know that promoting it around "diversity" would create controversy among alumni, donors, parents, and prospective students who value Baylor specifically because of its Christian identity. We created a national PR headache ourselves to solve a problem affecting a very small percentage of students.

Baylor should be welcoming to everyone. But being welcoming doesn't require constantly changing the institution to accommodate every group that comes through the doors. Students also choose Baylor knowing what Baylor is. We are a Christian university, and we should be confident enough in that identity that the expectation isn't always for Baylor to assimilate to everyone else.

This wasn't some crisis that needed solving. It was an unnecessary decision with very little benefit and a completely predictable reputational downside.

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How? It's been in place a year. You just learned about it.

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And now it's out and the damage is done. It took a year? Neat. Result is the same. Baylor is under no compunction to cater to ANY other religion. Why? Because those are false religions.

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What damage? There's a place on campus that serves halal foods.

I bet I drive by 50 places a week that can offer me up different ways to make chicken every week. It's like the Bubba Gump of chicken in Dallas. Halal chicken, Currie chicken Korean fried chicken, Kentucky fried chicken (they let chickens die for that crap). Chicken wings. Chicken nuggets. President too chicken to serve. Always chickens out. Chicken fried chicken.

It's no "damage" to me. I'm just glad people are catching on to the greatness of chicken.

Might I interest you in those tiny watermelons? Especially from a Farmers Market. You'll be black by Wednesday.

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The damage is actual Christians thinking of attending Baylor will look elsewhere when looking for a Christian institution. Catering to false religions ONLY devalues the credibility of the world's largest Baptist university. I had jerked oxtail for dinner last night. I probably eat blacker than you, Patna! Lol

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If you had oxtails, you out performed me. And greens? You win. You got there on Sunday.

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You're a funny man Mitch aka "Tommie.

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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No one wants that bull*****

If I went to a Muslim country, I would be forced to eat what they serve

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I've eaten pork and drunk plenty of bourbon in some of the most conservative Muslim countries. Many restaurants have non-halal sections of their menus.

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That is true and of course raises another question of Baylor's endless woke-social signaling

How many of Baylor's 290 Muslim background students are even interested in halal or following its rather tedious Islamic ritualism & dead legalism.

My gut feeling is most are more secular & academic than serious about their parents old world Islamism..most are probably 2nd gen kids from Muslim immigrant households born and raised in the USA

So Baylor is paying for this…putting cash in the halal industry's pocket….but how many of the MB (Muslim background) students are even interested in partaking?

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As someone else mentioned, it would be about economics as far as a decision in my opinion. If there's limited demand, it's unnecessary. If there's a demand, what are the costs of facilitating relative to the options available.

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My gut feeling is there is essentially no demand

Maybe a handful of our MB students would even be interested in this option…far less in actual paying for it themselves

Baylor jumped into offering it for its own social and political reasons "look at us and how welcoming, tolerant, & progressive we are"…and less from a place of actual meeting the desires of MB students

After all…we have a vast array of diversity commissars on campus…and their job is to come up with action items like this to meet various diversity mandates

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If there is no demand there will be soon.