Execution goes wrong in Tennessee

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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:49p, 10/5/26
Osodecentx said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Guy Noir said:
Taking a person's life is a tough decision. Still, when a murder is committed and the person is obviously guilty, I do not believe our society can allow that person to be released into society again. Does our society need to pay to keep that person in prison for the rest of their life?



Death Penalty sentences cost taxpayers 1.5 to 5 times more than life sentences without parole.


Sometimes justice requires the DP


Why?
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In reply to Bestweekeverr • 9:13p, 10/5/26
Bestweekeverr said:
Osodecentx said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Guy Noir said:
Taking a person's life is a tough decision. Still, when a murder is committed and the person is obviously guilty, I do not believe our society can allow that person to be released into society again. Does our society need to pay to keep that person in prison for the rest of their life?



Death Penalty sentences cost taxpayers 1.5 to 5 times more than life sentences without parole.


Sometimes justice requires the DP


Why?


If there is no justice the family takes the law into their own hands & there is vigilantism
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El Oso
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 9:31p, 10/5/26
This was your post. Put me down for the doctor is an ant-death penalty advocate and did it on purpose ... or she's an idiot.

The doctor has actually participated in three executions in Tennessee. He was personally asked to take over by the prior executioner. He seems pretty pro death penalty to me.

There is no evidence he did this on purpose. Now it should be noted that quite a few doctors do not actually know how to insert an IV. He noted he hadn't done that since 2013 when he took over the job. Nobody had an issue with it. He was successful on his first attempt. His second one he couldn't find a vein. This happens, so it cannot be construed that he did this to stop the death penalty. Krista was his third. There is nothing but speculation right now as to why this didn't work. The investigation has not begun to my knowledge. There is no current evidence he botched this because he is anti-death penalty.

He is a man. You said it was a woman.

That's wrong on all counts. I have no idea why the trial transcript is relevant here. I've never challenged the finding of this jury. I did say I would prefer the age of death penalty eligibility to be 25, but I did not say I had a problem with this one.

I don't see anything you got right here.
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In reply to Bestweekeverr • 11:49p, 10/5/26
Bestweekeverr said:
Guy Noir said:
Taking a person's life is a tough decision. Still, when a murder is committed and the person is obviously guilty, I do not believe our society can allow that person to be released into society again. Does our society need to pay to keep that person in prison for the rest of their life?



Death Penalty sentences cost taxpayers 1.5 to 5 times more than life sentences without parole.


Moral level…I am ok with life in prison

If it really means no possibility of parole and hard labor.

The death penalty is problematic for those who believed in the argument that the state should not have this power
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 12:22a, 10/6/26
Redbrickbear said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Guy Noir said:
Taking a person's life is a tough decision. Still, when a murder is committed and the person is obviously guilty, I do not believe our society can allow that person to be released into society again. Does our society need to pay to keep that person in prison for the rest of their life?



Death Penalty sentences cost taxpayers 1.5 to 5 times more than life sentences without parole.


Moral level…I am ok with life in prison

If it really means no possibility of parole and hard labor.

The death penalty is problematic for those who believed in the argument that the state should not have this power

Same here. I'm 100% ok with life in prison if it is actually life in prison. Prisoners also need to work 8 hours a day to pay for their keep.
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In reply to Osodecentx • 12:34a, 10/6/26
Osodecentx said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Osodecentx said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Guy Noir said:
Taking a person's life is a tough decision. Still, when a murder is committed and the person is obviously guilty, I do not believe our society can allow that person to be released into society again. Does our society need to pay to keep that person in prison for the rest of their life?



Death Penalty sentences cost taxpayers 1.5 to 5 times more than life sentences without parole.


Sometimes justice requires the DP


Why?


If there is no justice the family takes the law into their own hands & there is vigilantism


And if the law can not deliver justice then the family (the local source of all law & justice) will then take it back into its hand and meet out its own form of punishment/restorative justice

Those who seek to twist the law into romanticism of criminals…may soon find that citizens seek justice elsewhere in places they can find it
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In reply to Forest Bueller III • 12:41a, 10/6/26
Forest Bueller III said:
Redbrickbear said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Guy Noir said:
Taking a person's life is a tough decision. Still, when a murder is committed and the person is obviously guilty, I do not believe our society can allow that person to be released into society again. Does our society need to pay to keep that person in prison for the rest of their life?



Death Penalty sentences cost taxpayers 1.5 to 5 times more than life sentences without parole.


Moral level…I am ok with life in prison

If it really means no possibility of parole and hard labor.

The death penalty is problematic for those who believed in the argument that the state should not have this power

Same here. I'm 100% ok with life in prison if it is actually life in prison. Prisoners also need to work 8 hours a day to pay for their keep.


"Seamless garment of Christ" argument…it can not be easily ignored


[The "seamless garment" argument directly challenges the death penalty by treating state-sanctioned execution as a violation of the inherent, sacred dignity of human life, which the framework declares is absolute and cannot be forfeited….

The seamless garment philosophy holds that issues such as abortion, capital punishment, militarism, euthanasia, and economic injustice all demand a consistent application of moral principles valuing the sanctity of human life. "The protection of life", said Egan, "is a seamless garment. You can't protect some life and not others."…words were meant to challenge members of society who divided their commitment to protecting and cherishing human life, choosing anti-war stances but not anti-abortion work, or those members of the anti-abortion movement who were in favor of capital punishment.]

[Cardinal Bernardin publicize the consistent life ethic idea, initially in a lecture at Fordham University, December 6, 1983. At first Bernardin spoke out against nuclear war and abortion. However, he quickly expanded the scope of his view to include all aspects of human life. In that Fordham University lecture, Bernardin said: "The spectrum of life cuts across the issues of genetics, abortion, capital punishment, modern warfare and the care of the terminally ill."[10] Bernardin said that although each of the issues was distinct, nevertheless the issues were linked since the valuing and defending of (human) life were, he believed, at the center of both issues. Bernardin told an audience in Portland, Oregon: "When human life is considered 'cheap' or easily expendable in one area, eventually nothing is held as sacred and all lives are in jeopardy.]
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In reply to Osodecentx • 5:49a, 10/6/26
Osodecentx said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Osodecentx said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Guy Noir said:
Taking a person's life is a tough decision. Still, when a murder is committed and the person is obviously guilty, I do not believe our society can allow that person to be released into society again. Does our society need to pay to keep that person in prison for the rest of their life?



Death Penalty sentences cost taxpayers 1.5 to 5 times more than life sentences without parole.


Sometimes justice requires the DP


Why?


If there is no justice the family takes the law into their own hands & there is vigilantism


Justice is extremely subjective and means something different to everyone.

Do you have any recent examples of families breaking into prison to kill someone that didn't get the death penalty?
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In reply to Bestweekeverr • 9:31a, 10/6/26
Bestweekeverr said:
Osodecentx said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Osodecentx said:
Bestweekeverr said:
Guy Noir said:
Taking a person's life is a tough decision. Still, when a murder is committed and the person is obviously guilty, I do not believe our society can allow that person to be released into society again. Does our society need to pay to keep that person in prison for the rest of their life?



Death Penalty sentences cost taxpayers 1.5 to 5 times more than life sentences without parole.


Sometimes justice requires the DP


Why?


If there is no justice the family takes the law into their own hands & there is vigilantism


Justice is extremely subjective and means something different to everyone.

Do you have any recent examples of families breaking into prison to kill someone that didn't get the death penalty?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitey_Bulger#:~:text=James%20Joseph%20%22Whitey%22%20Bulger%20Jr.,(%2F%CB%88b%CA%8Cld%CA%92%C9%99r%2F%20%E2%93%98

It was more of a mob hit using inmates already on the inside, but the result was the same.
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In reply to Bestweekeverr • 10:02a, 10/6/26
Bestweekeverr said:

Do you have any recent examples of families breaking into prison to kill someone that didn't get the death penalty?

Families? No. But inmates seem to be willing to take matters into their own hands. Here are just two examples in the past three years. There are quite a few more.

In 2025, Ricky Wassenaar, who was already serving 16 life sentences for a previous prison standoff, cornered and killed three men convicted of child sex crimes during a mealtime altercation. He later confessed to the media, proudly stating that he killed them to "do society a favor" so taxpayers would no longer have to pay to keep them alive.

In September 2023, less than a year into his sentence, Billy Chemirmir was beaten to death in his cell by his cellmate, who was also serving time for murder. Following the incident, victims' families expressed a sense of relief, openly noting that while it wasn't the legal execution they fought for, "jailhouse justice" had closed the case. There is no evidence at all suggesting the family had anything to do with the hit. But they did appreciate it.
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In reply to El Oso • 10:50a, 10/6/26
This approach ... is not the worst one. Beats whatever the hell happened in Tennessee.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 10:52a, 10/6/26
"That's the difference between God and me."
- Lyle Lovett

Far from clear to me that WWJD is always the appropriate governing principle for the state. 1. you're not Jesus. 2. His kingdom was not of this world, yet that is exactly what the state has to govern (the goings on of this world).
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In reply to El Oso • 3:40p, 10/6/26
El Oso said:
Bestweekeverr said:

Do you have any recent examples of families breaking into prison to kill someone that didn't get the death penalty?

Families? No. But inmates seem to be willing to take matters into their own hands. Here are just two examples in the past three years. There are quite a few more.

In 2025, Ricky Wassenaar, who was already serving 16 life sentences for a previous prison standoff, cornered and killed three men convicted of child sex crimes during a mealtime altercation. He later confessed to the media, proudly stating that he killed them to "do society a favor" so taxpayers would no longer have to pay to keep them alive.

In September 2023, less than a year into his sentence, Billy Chemirmir was beaten to death in his cell by his cellmate, who was also serving time for murder. Following the incident, victims' families expressed a sense of relief, openly noting that while it wasn't the legal execution they fought for, "jailhouse justice" had closed the case. There is no evidence at all suggesting the family had anything to do with the hit. But they did appreciate it.



So the argument is, we should pay more money for the government to kill prisoners to avoid prisoners from killing those prisoners?

From a financial standpoint, it's a lot more efficient to outsource the job to other prisoners. Keeps the blood on dirtier hands too.
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4:42p, 10/6/26
Pike's attorneys say that she is now conscious and speaking with them.

Man oh man, Tennessee needs to figure some things out.
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5:27p, 10/6/26
Always fun to watch liberals but but the cost to kill them is too high considering their last candidate for president was advocating for tax payer funded gender removal for prisoners.

We should do what s-hole countries are doing to the US - ship our murders over there to help their economies out.
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In reply to fubar • 10:06a, 10/7/26
fubar said:
Pike's attorneys say that she is now conscious and speaking with them.

Man oh man, Tennessee needs to figure some things out.

What a mess.

I don't see how they can go through the process again.

I think with a man it wouldn't become a political cause, but in
the current political climate I just don't see how they can execute her again.

Now if a man had been the primary actor, coordinated the attack, delt out all the death blows
including the crushed skull by concrete slab, carving her chest while still alive, slashed her throat with a box cutter and at some point in the torture commented, the ***** won't die, they would just strap him up again for execution when he recovered.

The fact the monster is a fairly cute white woman with a sweet disposition at least publicly, that throws another wrench into the mix.

If this had been 6'2" 245 lb. Leroy Williams, there would be no calls to commute the death sentence.
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In reply to Forest Bueller III • 10:17a, 10/7/26
Forest Bueller III said:
fubar said:
Pike's attorneys say that she is now conscious and speaking with them.

Man oh man, Tennessee needs to figure some things out.

What a mess.

I don't see how they can go through the process again.

I think with a man it wouldn't become a political cause, but in
the current political climate I just don't see how they can execute her again.

Now if a man had been the primary actor, coordinated the attack, delt out all the death blows
including the crushed skull by concrete slab, carving her chest while still alive, slashed her throat with a box cutter and at some point in the torture commented, the ***** won't die, they would just strap him up again for execution when he recovered.

The fact the monster is a fairly cute white woman with a sweet disposition at least publicly, that throws another block into the mix.

If this had been 6'2" 245 lb. Leroy Williams, there would be no calls to commute the death sentence.

Nothing demonstrates the systemic sexism of the United States like the criminal justice system. Men are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, and incarcerated than women.

Pike shows humans cannot kill the Devil.
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 11:47a, 10/7/26
Harrison Bergeron said:
Forest Bueller III said:
fubar said:
Pike's attorneys say that she is now conscious and speaking with them.

Man oh man, Tennessee needs to figure some things out.

What a mess.

I don't see how they can go through the process again.

I think with a man it wouldn't become a political cause, but in
the current political climate I just don't see how they can execute her again.

Now if a man had been the primary actor, coordinated the attack, delt out all the death blows
including the crushed skull by concrete slab, carving her chest while still alive, slashed her throat with a box cutter and at some point in the torture commented, the ***** won't die, they would just strap him up again for execution when he recovered.

The fact the monster is a fairly cute white woman with a sweet disposition at least publicly, that throws another block into the mix.

If this had been 6'2" 245 lb. Leroy Williams, there would be no calls to commute the death sentence.

Nothing demonstrates the systemic sexism of the United States like the criminal justice system. Men are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, and incarcerated than women.

Pike shows humans cannot kill the Devil.


People rally for this monster


But, not for this monster.


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