sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

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Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

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lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

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Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

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3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

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This man should have statues all over Europe:

French people, Ratko Mladic tried to warn you, but you didn't listen, now you are dealing with the consequences pic.twitter.com/l5W6neXIAR

— Zapadnjak (@AngloVarangian) October 19, 2026

sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

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Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

---

Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

---

3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

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Said no one ever.

The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

---

Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

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I doubt the Russian Christians are thrilled with the presence of large amounts of muslims in their country... how many times has Russia gone to war with Chechnya?

I'm not thrilled Russia invaded Ukraine solely because its a brother war... but the neo-cons poured the gas and set the fuse on this conflict and they've stolen and devalued my life savings to keep it running.

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

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Scumbag? I don't think so. Freedom fighter for his people.

Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

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Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

---

Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

---

3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

---

Said no one ever.

---

For brevity, I omitted all the evidence, but here is the bottom line from AI. Very easy to find all the backup if you're so inclined.

The available evidence strongly suggests Russian planners expected a very rapid victory, with Kyiv possibly falling within days and the Ukrainian government collapsing soon after. That expectation proved badly wrong.

Not to mention, Trump himself has long parroted the total BS that some Russian general chose the mud route, otherwise they would have taken Kyiv in days. Putin has been selling this fantasy to Trump for years.

And don't forget Putin fired (and probably killed) 4 of the 5 generals most responsible for the initial invasion planning.

sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

---

Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

---

Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

---

3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

---

Said no one ever.

---

For brevity, I omitted all the evidence, but here is the bottom line from AI. Very easy to find all the backup if you're so inclined.

The available evidence strongly suggests Russian planners expected a very rapid victory, with Kyiv possibly falling within days and the Ukrainian government collapsing soon after. That expectation proved badly wrong.

Not to mention, Trump himself has long parroted the total BS that some Russian general chose the mud route, otherwise they would have taken Kyiv in days. Putin has been selling this fantasy to Trump for years.

And don't forget Putin fired (and probably killed) 4 of the 5 generals most responsible for the initial invasion planning.

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It was probably the most telegraphed invasion in world history... I remember reading articles during the 2022 Olympics saying Russia is going to invade Ukraine after the Olympics are over.

sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

---

Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

---

Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

---

3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

---

Said no one ever.

---

For brevity, I omitted all the evidence, but here is the bottom line from AI. Very easy to find all the backup if you're so inclined.

The available evidence strongly suggests Russian planners expected a very rapid victory, with Kyiv possibly falling within days and the Ukrainian government collapsing soon after. That expectation proved badly wrong.

Not to mention, Trump himself has long parroted the total BS that some Russian general chose the mud route, otherwise they would have taken Kyiv in days. Putin has been selling this fantasy to Trump for years.

And don't forget Putin fired (and probably killed) 4 of the 5 generals most responsible for the initial invasion planning.

---

It's probably more accurate to say they were trying to force negotiations (which they did, for a while), but I'll grant that they may have been hoping for a rapid collapse in the alternative. That has no bearing on Zelensky's handling of the subsequent war. Once it took the mud route, no one seriously thought Russia could defeat Ukraine's army in three days with 150K troops. I've never heard the claim that Russia chose that route, but who knows what Trump will say or why.

The suggestion that Putin had his generals killed is quite strange and, I think, indicative of Western misconceptions about Russia and its regime. The only evidence I can find for that is an off-the-cuff comment by Trump, which again should be taken with a grain of salt. And one of the fired generals was just appointed commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces a few months ago, so he's evidently alive and well.

Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

---

Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

---

Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

---

3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

---

Said no one ever.

---

For brevity, I omitted all the evidence, but here is the bottom line from AI. Very easy to find all the backup if you're so inclined.

The available evidence strongly suggests Russian planners expected a very rapid victory, with Kyiv possibly falling within days and the Ukrainian government collapsing soon after. That expectation proved badly wrong.

Not to mention, Trump himself has long parroted the total BS that some Russian general chose the mud route, otherwise they would have taken Kyiv in days. Putin has been selling this fantasy to Trump for years.

And don't forget Putin fired (and probably killed) 4 of the 5 generals most responsible for the initial invasion planning.

---

It's probably more accurate to say they were trying to force negotiations (which they did, for a while), but I'll grant that they may have been hoping for a rapid collapse in the alternative. That has no bearing on Zelensky's handling of the subsequent war. Once it took the mud route, no one seriously thought Russia could defeat Ukraine's army in three days with 150K troops. I've never heard the claim that Russia chose that route, but who knows what Trump will say or why.

The suggestion that Putin had his generals killed is quite strange and, I think, indicative of Western misconceptions about Russia and its regime. The only evidence I can find for that is an off-the-cuff comment by Trump, which again should be taken with a grain of salt. And one of those generals was just appointed commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces a few months ago, so he's evidently alive and well.

---

He probably killed the Wagner group guy... but that guy deserves a Darwin award for sticking around in Russia after leading a failed coup against Putin.

The_barBEARian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

---

Tempus Edax Rerum said:

---

https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

---

Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

---

Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

---

3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

---

Said no one ever.

---

For brevity, I omitted all the evidence, but here is the bottom line from AI. Very easy to find all the backup if you're so inclined.

The available evidence strongly suggests Russian planners expected a very rapid victory, with Kyiv possibly falling within days and the Ukrainian government collapsing soon after. That expectation proved badly wrong.

Not to mention, Trump himself has long parroted the total BS that some Russian general chose the mud route, otherwise they would have taken Kyiv in days. Putin has been selling this fantasy to Trump for years.

And don't forget Putin fired (and probably killed) 4 of the 5 generals most responsible for the initial invasion planning.

---

It's probably more accurate to say they were trying to force negotiations (which they did, for a while), but I'll grant that they may have been hoping for a rapid collapse in the alternative. That has no bearing on Zelensky's handling of the subsequent war. Once it took the mud route, no one seriously thought Russia could defeat Ukraine's army in three days with 150K troops. I've never heard the claim that Russia chose that route, but who knows what Trump will say or why.

The suggestion that Putin had his generals killed is quite strange and, I think, indicative of Western misconceptions about Russia and its regime. The only evidence I can find for that is an off-the-cuff comment by Trump, which again should be taken with a grain of salt. And one of those generals was just appointed commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces a few months ago, so he's evidently alive and well.

---

He probably killed the Wagner group guy... but that guy deserves a Darwin award for sticking around in Russia after leading a failed coup against Putin.

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For real.

Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

---

Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

---

Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

---

3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

---

Said no one ever.

---

For brevity, I omitted all the evidence, but here is the bottom line from AI. Very easy to find all the backup if you're so inclined.

The available evidence strongly suggests Russian planners expected a very rapid victory, with Kyiv possibly falling within days and the Ukrainian government collapsing soon after. That expectation proved badly wrong.

Not to mention, Trump himself has long parroted the total BS that some Russian general chose the mud route, otherwise they would have taken Kyiv in days. Putin has been selling this fantasy to Trump for years.

And don't forget Putin fired (and probably killed) 4 of the 5 generals most responsible for the initial invasion planning.

---

It's probably more accurate to say they were trying to force negotiations (which they did, for a while), but I'll grant that they may have been hoping for a rapid collapse in the alternative. That has no bearing on Zelensky's handling of the subsequent war. Once it took the mud route, no one seriously thought Russia could defeat Ukraine's army in three days with 150K troops. I've never heard the claim that Russia chose that route, but who knows what Trump will say or why.

The suggestion that Putin had his generals killed is quite strange and, I think, indicative of Western misconceptions about Russia and its regime. The only evidence I can find for that is an off-the-cuff comment by Trump, which again should be taken with a grain of salt. And one of the fired generals was just appointed commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces a few months ago, so he's evidently alive and well.

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I was joking about the generals being killed, but they were fired.

The mud was one small into. The vast majority were stopped on the roads, including the infamous dead convoy.

sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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sombear said:

---

Tempus Edax Rerum said:

---

https://www.wsj.com/world/russian-defector-deadly-sabotage-campaign-a95d163c

---

Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

---

Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

---

Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

---

lol. You're an idiot.

---

France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

---

Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

---

Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

---

Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

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3 days . . . .

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Said no one ever.

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For brevity, I omitted all the evidence, but here is the bottom line from AI. Very easy to find all the backup if you're so inclined.

The available evidence strongly suggests Russian planners expected a very rapid victory, with Kyiv possibly falling within days and the Ukrainian government collapsing soon after. That expectation proved badly wrong.

Not to mention, Trump himself has long parroted the total BS that some Russian general chose the mud route, otherwise they would have taken Kyiv in days. Putin has been selling this fantasy to Trump for years.

And don't forget Putin fired (and probably killed) 4 of the 5 generals most responsible for the initial invasion planning.

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It's probably more accurate to say they were trying to force negotiations (which they did, for a while), but I'll grant that they may have been hoping for a rapid collapse in the alternative. That has no bearing on Zelensky's handling of the subsequent war. Once it took the mud route, no one seriously thought Russia could defeat Ukraine's army in three days with 150K troops. I've never heard the claim that Russia chose that route, but who knows what Trump will say or why.

The suggestion that Putin had his generals killed is quite strange and, I think, indicative of Western misconceptions about Russia and its regime. The only evidence I can find for that is an off-the-cuff comment by Trump, which again should be taken with a grain of salt. And one of the fired generals was just appointed commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces a few months ago, so he's evidently alive and well.

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I was joking about the generals being killed, but they were fired.

The mud was one small into. The vast majority were stopped on the roads, including the infamous dead convoy.

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I see, I thought you were referring to the trench warfare in general.

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Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Ukraine may be fighting for many things (e.g. wealth, resources, ethnic supremacy), but freedom is certainly not one of them.

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lol. You're an idiot.

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France and the rest of Western Europe where your ancestors came from are all currently gettting destroyed and centuries old buildings and monuments are being burned to the ground by predominantly african and arab invaders from the 3rd world and your primary concern is wars for Ukraine and Israel?

Turn off Fox News for a second and use your brain. We are funding the supplying the wrong battles. You were still a military age male when your government bombed the Christian Nationalist Serbs in favor of invading jihadi muslims in the Balkans.

Russia could be a great ally against Islam and 3rd worldism but Boomer idiots are poisoning the relationship.

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Russia has more Muslims than the countries you're taking about combined, and the # is growing.

So odd that you're concerned about outsiders taking over our allies, yet ironically an evil tyrant literally invaded and is trying to take over an ally, and it's "hey, I have a great idea, let's partner with the evil tyrant who hates Christians except the shill Russian church."

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Also Zelensky is a scumbag and the only reason he is still alive is because the Russians recognize what a PR nightmare the guy is and it helps them tremendously that he is the figurehead of Ukraine and not someone charismatic, modest, and likeable.

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Not to mention he's one of the best military strategists that the Russians have.

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3 days . . . .

5 years . . . .

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Said no one ever.

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For brevity, I omitted all the evidence, but here is the bottom line from AI. Very easy to find all the backup if you're so inclined.

The available evidence strongly suggests Russian planners expected a very rapid victory, with Kyiv possibly falling within days and the Ukrainian government collapsing soon after. That expectation proved badly wrong.

Not to mention, Trump himself has long parroted the total BS that some Russian general chose the mud route, otherwise they would have taken Kyiv in days. Putin has been selling this fantasy to Trump for years.

And don't forget Putin fired (and probably killed) 4 of the 5 generals most responsible for the initial invasion planning.

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It's probably more accurate to say they were trying to force negotiations (which they did, for a while), but I'll grant that they may have been hoping for a rapid collapse in the alternative. That has no bearing on Zelensky's handling of the subsequent war. Once it took the mud route, no one seriously thought Russia could defeat Ukraine's army in three days with 150K troops. I've never heard the claim that Russia chose that route, but who knows what Trump will say or why.

The suggestion that Putin had his generals killed is quite strange and, I think, indicative of Western misconceptions about Russia and its regime. The only evidence I can find for that is an off-the-cuff comment by Trump, which again should be taken with a grain of salt. And one of the fired generals was just appointed commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces a few months ago, so he's evidently alive and well.

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I was joking about the generals being killed, but they were fired.

The mud was one small into. The vast majority were stopped on the roads, including the infamous dead convoy.

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I see, I thought you were referring to the trench warfare in general.

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No, sorry, should have provided more context. Trump has been telling this fable about a Russian general taking the entire Russian Kyiv invasion force through the mud instead of on roads. He says the war would have been over in days if only some general had stayed on the roads.

Make Serbia Great Again!

🇷🇸🇮🇱 BREAKING: Students announce a halt to the export of ammunition to Israel.

"Our people know well what it means to be a victim of genocide and ethnic cleansing; therefore, we will oppose any form of oppression of the weak by the strong. 👇 pic.twitter.com/LjFtuVFWO8

— VIHOR (@vihor_rs) October 22, 2026

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Make Serbia Great Again!

🇷🇸🇮🇱 BREAKING: Students announce a halt to the export of ammunition to Israel.

"Our people know well what it means to be a victim of genocide and ethnic cleansing; therefore, we will oppose any form of oppression of the weak by the strong. 👇 pic.twitter.com/LjFtuVFWO8

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I thought you loved Serbs because they were anti-Muslim?

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Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Currently reading a history of Ukraine . Hard going as it is incredibly bloody….one war …one massacre after another.

But the total carnage the Ukrainians have suffered from the Russians since the end of WW1 goes a long way to explaining why the Ukrainians have fought so desperately.

They know , without a doubt , what will happen to them if the Russians win.

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People with no sense of history have no idea why Ukrainians are among the proudest, most resilient, and most freedom-loving people in the world.

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Legend

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Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Currently reading a history of Ukraine . Hard going as it is incredibly bloody….one war …one massacre after another.

But the total carnage the Ukrainians have suffered from the Russians since the end of WW1 goes a long way to explaining why the Ukrainians have fought so desperately.

They know , without a doubt , what will happen to them if the Russians win.

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The people who killed the Tzar and his family were the same people who committed the Holodomor.

The prehistory of Jewish war crimes that lead up to the holocaust has been covered up and erased.

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Make Serbia Great Again!

🇷🇸🇮🇱 BREAKING: Students announce a halt to the export of ammunition to Israel.

"Our people know well what it means to be a victim of genocide and ethnic cleansing; therefore, we will oppose any form of oppression of the weak by the strong. 👇 pic.twitter.com/LjFtuVFWO8

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You are a Serb who doesnt think Kosovo belongs to Serbia... My Germanic/Czech ass is probably more welcome to the Serbian cookouts than you are!

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— Ryan Williams (@koreanscot) October 23, 2026

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Make Serbia Great Again!

🇷🇸🇮🇱 BREAKING: Students announce a halt to the export of ammunition to Israel.

"Our people know well what it means to be a victim of genocide and ethnic cleansing; therefore, we will oppose any form of oppression of the weak by the strong. 👇 pic.twitter.com/LjFtuVFWO8

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You are a Serb who doesnt think Kosovo belongs to Serbia... My Germanic/Czech ass is probably more welcome to the Serbian cookouts than you are!

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That's not my position at all. Kosovo should be part of Serbia. It was. I want it to be again. But Serbia blew it.

Heck, the Student List that you somehow seem to support considers Milosevic and Karadzic war criminals

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Make Serbia Great Again!

🇷🇸🇮🇱 BREAKING: Students announce a halt to the export of ammunition to Israel.

"Our people know well what it means to be a victim of genocide and ethnic cleansing; therefore, we will oppose any form of oppression of the weak by the strong. 👇 pic.twitter.com/LjFtuVFWO8

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You are a Serb who doesnt think Kosovo belongs to Serbia... My Germanic/Czech ass is probably more welcome to the Serbian cookouts than you are!

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That's not my position at all. Kosovo should be part of Serbia. It was. I want it to be again. But Serbia blew it.

Heck, the Student List that you somehow seem to support considers Milosevic and Karadzic war criminals

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Well I guess they are an example of a broken clock being right twice a day... Milosevic and Karadzic are war heroes... not just for the Serbs, but all Europeans and anyone (like myself) from the diaspora that still cares about Europe remaining European

The Church of Saint Sava in Belgrade was completed only seven years ago.

It is incredibly beautiful.

This proves that we are still capable of creating beautiful things… as long as we pursue God in doing so. pic.twitter.com/t0X0CP159E

— Ada Lluch (@AdaLluch) October 23, 2026

Meanwhile bosnians brought not just Al-Queda, they even brought Osama Bin-Ladin to Sarajevo during the Bosnian War https://t.co/SCzQzU6u7K

— Zapadnjak (@AngloVarangian) October 23, 2026

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Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

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Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Currently reading a history of Ukraine . Hard going as it is incredibly bloody….one war …one massacre after another.

But the total carnage the Ukrainians have suffered from the Russians since the end of WW1 goes a long way to explaining why the Ukrainians have fought so desperately.

They know , without a doubt , what will happen to them if the Russians win.

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People with no sense of history have no idea why Ukrainians are among the proudest, most resilient, and most freedom-loving people in the world.

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I don't know who or what constitutes the 'most freedom loving people in the world '.

But if being murdered by the millions is the best measurement …..the Ukrainians certainly have a valid claim.

As due the Jews, Chinese, and Armenians.

Our neighbors in Albania should take notes on how peaceful and real protests look like..Not that I am complaining about Tirana burning, I‘m just saying. 🤭 pic.twitter.com/tIXvQlBRRH

— Kristina from the Balkans (@MissBalkanVol3) October 23, 2026

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Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

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Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Currently reading a history of Ukraine . Hard going as it is incredibly bloody….one war …one massacre after another.

But the total carnage the Ukrainians have suffered from the Russians since the end of WW1 goes a long way to explaining why the Ukrainians have fought so desperately.

They know , without a doubt , what will happen to them if the Russians win.

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People with no sense of history have no idea why Ukrainians are among the proudest, most resilient, and most freedom-loving people in the world.

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I don't know who or what constitutes the 'most freedom loving people in the world '.

But if being murdered by the millions is the best measurement …..the Ukrainians certainly have a valid claim.

As due the Jews, Chinese, and Armenians.

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As due the Palestinian and Lebanese Christians... well really all the Christians in the ME since the state of Israel was formed in 1948.

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Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

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Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Currently reading a history of Ukraine . Hard going as it is incredibly bloody….one war …one massacre after another.

But the total carnage the Ukrainians have suffered from the Russians since the end of WW1 goes a long way to explaining why the Ukrainians have fought so desperately.

They know , without a doubt , what will happen to them if the Russians win.

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People with no sense of history have no idea why Ukrainians are among the proudest, most resilient, and most freedom-loving people in the world.

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I don't know who or what constitutes the 'most freedom loving people in the world '.

But if being murdered by the millions is the best measurement …..the Ukrainians certainly have a valid claim.

As due the Jews, Chinese, and Armenians.

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I said "among the most." And I base that on two things:

One, their proven willingness to fight and persevere for their freedom. And the fact they've always had to fight makes them appreciate it so much more.

Two, just my experience with Ukrainians. As I've posted many times, I encourage people to visit Poland and Ukraine or just spend time among their people here in the US. They truly are freedom loving people. Georgians, too. There are many more of course. But Poles and Ukrainians are special. Just something about them in this regard. They love God and love freedom.

BTW I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Russians who have come to the US. They, too, are among the best people I've ever known. They feel like they hit the all-time lottery and seem to cherish every minute.

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Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

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Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Currently reading a history of Ukraine . Hard going as it is incredibly bloody….one war …one massacre after another.

But the total carnage the Ukrainians have suffered from the Russians since the end of WW1 goes a long way to explaining why the Ukrainians have fought so desperately.

They know , without a doubt , what will happen to them if the Russians win.

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People with no sense of history have no idea why Ukrainians are among the proudest, most resilient, and most freedom-loving people in the world.

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I don't know who or what constitutes the 'most freedom loving people in the world '.

But if being murdered by the millions is the best measurement …..the Ukrainians certainly have a valid claim.

As due the Jews, Chinese, and Armenians.

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I said "among the most." And I base that on two things:

One, their proven willingness to fight and persevere for their freedom. And the fact they've always had to fight makes them appreciate it so much more.

Two, just my experience with Ukrainians. As I've posted many times, I encourage people to visit Poland and Ukraine or just spend time among their people here in the US. They truly are freedom loving people. Georgians, too. There are many more of course. But Poles and Ukrainians are special. Just something about them in this regard. They love God and love freedom.

BTW I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Russians who have come to the US. They, too, are among the best people I've ever known. They feel like they hit the all-time lottery and seem to cherish every minute.

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I think everyone is freedom loving .

No one prefers tyranny ( except us old married guys ) .

Ukrainians know their history involving the Russians. They know how Stalin executed hundreds of thousands of them …..and intentionally starved to death millions more.

Same with the Jews. They know what will happen to them if the Muslims ever successfully invade Israel.

Now the Poles are actively re arming. And not a moment too soon. They have been periodically slaughtered by Russians for centuries. The Poles are possibly the only member of NATO willing to fight Putin. And for the exact same reason as the Ukrainians……the Russians feel entitled to kill them.

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Ukrainians know their history involving the Russians. They know how Stalin executed hundreds of thousands of them …..and intentionally starved to death millions more.

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...and then there are people who realize what the USSR did under Stalin a hundred years ago under Bolshevism has nothing to do with what modern Russia is doing today, and that Mongolia isn't riding west on horseback to overrun Europe (although Africa and Pakistan just might).

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Ukrainians know their history involving the Russians. They know how Stalin executed hundreds of thousands of them …..and intentionally starved to death millions more.

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...and then there are people who realize what the USSR did under Stalin a hundred years ago under Bolshevism has nothing to do with what modern Russia is doing today, and that Mongolia isn't riding west on horseback to overrun Europe (although Africa and Pakistan just might).

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What an uninformed post.

That's really easy for you to think that.

I assure you, Ukrainians don't see it that way. And why would they? Russia has been the same murderous, brutal neighbor regardless of who has been in power. And the latest invasion did not just start in 2022, but back in 2014.

Heck, Russians don't even see it that way. Putin is the one who will not stop talking about the "history" of Ukraine and Russia and justifying his invasion. He still thinks Ukraine belongs to Russia. He had his one great opportunity in his Tucker interview to explain once and for all why he invaded Ukraine. What did he do? He spent the first 45 minutes arguing Ukraine's not really a country and belongs to Mother Russia.

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Hero

Legend

Freedom Fighter

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Is he though?

From what I have read most of the soldiers in Ukraine do not want to be there but have been forced. They didn't start the war. Putin did. The generals keep it going. The average soldier is just a pawn.

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Currently reading a history of Ukraine . Hard going as it is incredibly bloody….one war …one massacre after another.

But the total carnage the Ukrainians have suffered from the Russians since the end of WW1 goes a long way to explaining why the Ukrainians have fought so desperately.

They know , without a doubt , what will happen to them if the Russians win.

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People with no sense of history have no idea why Ukrainians are among the proudest, most resilient, and most freedom-loving people in the world.

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I don't know who or what constitutes the 'most freedom loving people in the world '.

But if being murdered by the millions is the best measurement …..the Ukrainians certainly have a valid claim.

As due the Jews, Chinese, and Armenians.

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I said "among the most." And I base that on two things:

One, their proven willingness to fight and persevere for their freedom. And the fact they've always had to fight makes them appreciate it so much more.

Two, just my experience with Ukrainians. As I've posted many times, I encourage people to visit Poland and Ukraine or just spend time among their people here in the US. They truly are freedom loving people. Georgians, too. There are many more of course. But Poles and Ukrainians are special. Just something about them in this regard. They love God and love freedom.

BTW I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Russians who have come to the US. They, too, are among the best people I've ever known. They feel like they hit the all-time lottery and seem to cherish every minute.

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I think everyone is freedom loving .

No one prefers tyranny ( except us old married guys ) .

Ukrainians know their history involving the Russians. They know how Stalin executed hundreds of thousands of them …..and intentionally starved to death millions more.

Same with the Jews. They know what will happen to them if the Muslims ever successfully invade Israel.

Now the Poles are actively re arming. And not a moment too soon. They have been periodically slaughtered by Russians for centuries. The Poles are possibly the only member of NATO willing to fight Putin. And for the exact same reason as the Ukrainians……the Russians feel entitled to kill them.

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Man, you're a good poster - even when we disagree . . . .

But, "everyone is freedom loving?" I can't believe you actually posted that.

Why is history filled with socialist and communist movements, and why do those movements still thrive today? Why do so many people under tyrants support their tyrants? Why do countries invade others? Why have so many countries with full support and participation of their people brutally rape and murder on mass scales? Are the extreme wings of Islam freedom-loving? How about their leaders?

Now, I agree that, most individuals would rather be free, but certainly not everyone. And there obviously are degrees of freedom and freedom-loving. History makes that clear.

And it seems obvious to me that people who have to fight for freedom (and/or have experienced the opposite of freedom) are most appreciative. In fact, people who have to fight for anything are most appreciative in my experience.

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Ukrainians know their history involving the Russians. They know how Stalin executed hundreds of thousands of them …..and intentionally starved to death millions more.

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...and then there are people who realize what the USSR did under Stalin a hundred years ago under Bolshevism has nothing to do with what modern Russia is doing today, and that Mongolia isn't riding west on horseback to overrun Europe (although Africa and Pakistan just might).

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What an uninformed post.

That's really easy for you to think that.

I assure you, Ukrainians don't see it that way. And why would they? Russia has been the same murderous, brutal neighbor regardless of who has been in power. And the latest invasion did not just start in 2022, but back in 2014.

Heck, Russians don't even see it that way. Putin is the one who will not stop talking about the "history" of Ukraine and Russia and justifying his invasion. He still thinks Ukraine belongs to Russia. He had his one great opportunity in his Tucker interview to explain once and for all why he invaded Ukraine. What did he do? He spent the first 45 minutes arguing Ukraine's not really a country and belongs to Mother Russia.

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Ukraine declared independence in 1991.

2014 was 23 years later.

You mention 2014, but conveniently leave out the involvement of Victoria Nuland, the State Department, and the CIA in the Euromaidan revolution and the destabilization of Ukraine that led to invasion of Crimea, and the secession of Lugansk and Donbass. And even with that, Russia waited another 8 years before finally intervening.

This didn't happen in a vaccum. Putin didn't just wake up in a bad mood one day and decide to invade Ukraine. Russia finally was forced into action after Ukraine started to become a national security threat on its border. Unfortunately, you consistently present a one sided, pro-Zelensky view of it.

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Ukrainians know their history involving the Russians. They know how Stalin executed hundreds of thousands of them …..and intentionally starved to death millions more.

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...and then there are people who realize what the USSR did under Stalin a hundred years ago under Bolshevism has nothing to do with what modern Russia is doing today, and that Mongolia isn't riding west on horseback to overrun Europe (although Africa and Pakistan just might).

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What an uninformed post.

That's really easy for you to think that.

I assure you, Ukrainians don't see it that way. And why would they? Russia has been the same murderous, brutal neighbor regardless of who has been in power. And the latest invasion did not just start in 2022, but back in 2014.

Heck, Russians don't even see it that way. Putin is the one who will not stop talking about the "history" of Ukraine and Russia and justifying his invasion. He still thinks Ukraine belongs to Russia. He had his one great opportunity in his Tucker interview to explain once and for all why he invaded Ukraine. What did he do? He spent the first 45 minutes arguing Ukraine's not really a country and belongs to Mother Russia.

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Ukraine declared independence in 1991.

2014 was 23 years later.

You mention 2014, but conveniently leave out the involvement of Victoria Nuland, the State Department, and the CIA in the Euromaidan revolution and the destabilization of Ukraine that led to invasion of Crimea, and the secession of Lugansk and Donbass. And even with that, Russia waited another 8 years before finally intervening.

This didn't happen in a vaccum. Putin didn't just wake up in a bad mood one day and decide to invade Ukraine. Russia finally was forced into action after Ukraine started to become a national security threat on its border. Unfortunately, you consistently present a one sided, pro-Zelensky view of it.

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One, Zelensky had nothing to do with 2014. He was democratically elected with 73% of the vote in 2019.

Two, I admire Zelensky. He is a hero. A historical figure. But my argument has nothing to do with Zelensky. It's the history of Russia and Ukraine.

Three, the Nuland hysteria is pure, unadulterated BS. But even if it were true, again, it has nothing to do with my argument. Ukrainians want to be free. Ukrainians have every reason to despise Putin and Russia. They will fight.

Four, you're right it did not happen in a vacuum. From his early speeches and writings 30 years to today, Putin has made it clear he believes Ukraine was never a country and has always belonged to Russia. He has looked for every excuse imaginable to coerce, taunt, and invade Ukraine.

Five, Russia did not wait 8 years . . . it invaded Ukraine in 2014.

Six, Ukraine has never been a threat to Russia. Let's take a trip down memory lane . . . .

Early 2000s - Ukraine's President wanted NATO membership. Putin said many times, "That's between Ukraine and NATO." Ukrainians were split 50-50. There was zero chance NATO would accept Ukraine.

2010 - Not a single candidate supported NATO membership. Ukrainians opposed NATO by over 70%.

2010 - Non-aligned status was codified into law.

2014 - After running on pro-EU platform, VY wins election then rejects EU deal and gets in bed with Russia. Over 70% of the country disagreed. Mass protests. VY packs bags and goes to Russia (shocking!).

2014 - Not until after Russia invaded Ukraine did Ukrainians begin to support NATO membership.

2014-2021 - NATO support waned and majority opposed.

2019 - Zelensky campaigned to improve Russia relations. Campaigned on Ukraine joining NATO, if ever, only through a public referendum.

2022 - Prior to Russia full scale invasion, Ukraine took NATO off table.

NATO should have dissolved after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Its a complete drain on the US, which is now $40 trillion in debt after a lifetime of ******ed Boomers supporting wars for Israel. We cant afford to keep subsidizing Nato even if it actually made sense to, which it doesn't.

The_barBEARian said:

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NATO should have dissolved after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Its a complete drain on the US, which is now $40 trillion in debt after a lifetime of ******ed Boomers supporting wars for Israel. We cant afford to keep subsidizing Nato even if it actually made sense to, which it doesn't.

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That's funny . . . you actually think we'd cut defense spending if we left NATO. Best laugh I've had in a while.

sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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NATO should have dissolved after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Its a complete drain on the US, which is now $40 trillion in debt after a lifetime of ******ed Boomers supporting wars for Israel. We cant afford to keep subsidizing Nato even if it actually made sense to, which it doesn't.

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That's funny . . . you actually think we'd cut defense spending if we left NATO. Best laugh I've had in a while.

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What's going to happen when Israel goes to war with Turkey?

The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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NATO should have dissolved after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Its a complete drain on the US, which is now $40 trillion in debt after a lifetime of ******ed Boomers supporting wars for Israel. We cant afford to keep subsidizing Nato even if it actually made sense to, which it doesn't.

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That's funny . . . you actually think we'd cut defense spending if we left NATO. Best laugh I've had in a while.

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What's going to happen when Israel goes to war with Turkey?

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Won't happen