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The Coup Is Underway: FBI Raids Office of Trump Lawyer Michael Cohen
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I do see that confirmation bias as well. I have called that out in many threads of similar topics.quash said:Bona Fide Bear said:What's ironic is the same people that so easily discount Dershowitz give Gloria Allred the benefit of the doubt. Amazing. Another example of confirmation bias.Henry Gondorff said:Oh, yeah, he's real honest. Two letters for you.... OJ. Yep, he helped get OJ off the hook through dishonestly casting doubt on iron-clad evidence and by helping concoct a lie that the LA police Dept framed freaking OJ. Yep, a real man of principle, that Alan Dershowitz! And, yes, of given the chance, he will represent Trump, just like he represented OJ.... LOLPat Neff said:Are you saying that Dershowitz is on retainer by Trump (or affiliated organization)? Please provide evidence of this instead of throwing baseless accusations.Henry Gondorff said:I'll bet you $10,000 that it is not overturned on Constitutional grounds. Because it is not unconstitutional. Period. In case you did not know, Dershowitz was OJ's and Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer. He will say anything and do anything. And represent anyone, from murderers to pedophiles ...to Trump. I guess that there's a certain consistency in his client base .....Jack and DP said:
Ihttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5601007/Mueller-violated-Michael-Cohens-constitutional-rights-just-seizing-records-says-Dershowitz.html
Unconstitutional
Seems like Dershowitz my be the last intellectually honest democrat/liberal. The second to last was Moynihan.
In case you're confused, you may want to look up the word honest as well. It will help you in future discussions for people wanting to take you seriously.
So you're not seeing any confirmation bias when Trumpers suddenly discover a Harvard liberal known for bomb throwing?
And did Gondorff ever, anywhere, say anything about Allred?
And did I ever, anywhere, say anything about Gondorff saying anything about Allred? I very clearly said "people". Reading comprehension problem?
the TRUCK is bouncy today on I-70
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From Reuters:
JUST IN: Senate Judiciary Chair Grassley plans to schedule vote on bill to protect Special Counsel Mueller .
JUST IN: Senate Judiciary Chair Grassley plans to schedule vote on bill to protect Special Counsel Mueller .
You want SO bad for Trump to fire Mueller. Trump just isn't that stupid. Sorry.cinque said:
From Reuters:
JUST IN: Senate Judiciary Chair Grassley plans to schedule vote on bill to protect Special Counsel Mueller .
Doc Holliday said:You want SO bad for Trump to fire Mueller. Trump just isn't that stupid. Sorry.cinque said:
From Reuters:
JUST IN: Senate Judiciary Chair Grassley plans to schedule vote on bill to protect Special Counsel Mueller .
As Trump says all the time: "we'll see."
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Yes we will see.
That's not what I want and yes he is that stupid.Doc Holliday said:You want SO bad for Trump to fire Mueller. Trump just isn't that stupid. Sorry.cinque said:
From Reuters:
JUST IN: Senate Judiciary Chair Grassley plans to schedule vote on bill to protect Special Counsel Mueller .
Doc Holliday said:
Yes we will see.
Same thing with about 50 of your sky is falling threads. All acorns so far. Suitcases full of acorns.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Meanwhile, back at the OP.
Folks concerned/triggered by the seizure of materials that may be privileged. US attorneys have a manual they use for guidance in all types of matters, including this one. It specifically lists three different ways to review the material with the goal of preserving privileged matters. Rule of law, constitutional ways. Deep breath, go to your safe space. And take Dershowitz.
Folks concerned/triggered by the seizure of materials that may be privileged. US attorneys have a manual they use for guidance in all types of matters, including this one. It specifically lists three different ways to review the material with the goal of preserving privileged matters. Rule of law, constitutional ways. Deep breath, go to your safe space. And take Dershowitz.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Trump lawyers launch court challenge on FBI raid! ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE!
https://apnews.com/671fb11e5b804179a1892914f30f0d11?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
https://apnews.com/671fb11e5b804179a1892914f30f0d11?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
Doc Holliday said:
Trump lawyers launch court challenge on FBI raid! ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE!
https://apnews.com/671fb11e5b804179a1892914f30f0d11?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
I'd save my trigger, caps and exclamation points for a decision, not a filing. Just saying.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Kimba Woods is the judge hearing the case. Very seasoned and very smart. Reagan appointee, but Clinton later nominated her to be AG. She withdrew because of "nannygate" allegations.
What does that have to do with anything? Obstruction of justice and perjury are crimes regardless of the reason(s) for why they were committed. Don't be obtuse.quash said:Johnny Bear said:Wrong.HuMcK said:
The precedent was set in the 90s by Kenn Starr. He investigated 15yr old land deals and ended up impeaching a sitting POTUS over an affair. Starr even threatened Lewinsky with jail-time to force her to testify against Clinton. Now we have a POTUS credibly accused of espionage against the United States and y'all are griping about the investigation being too aggressive and "setting precedents". People that paid attention to the supposedly "fake news" about Trump and his associates have been laying out how this would probably go since it started, so y'all can drop the surprise act at any time.
Starr's investigation ended with a detailed report about obstruction of justice and perjury committed by a sitting POTUS - Bill Clinton. It wasn't about "an affair" - the evidence relating to the affair was a means to the end of proving the obstruction and perjury cases. Congratulations on memorizing that talking point, however.
As far as presently having a POTUS "credibly accused of espionage against the United States" - after about a year and a half of an exhaustive investigation cheered on by MSM hacks and liberals like you literally dying for anything to prove the wholly made up accusation of Russian collusion, there is still not one shred of evidence that it happened. Zip. Zilch. Narryin. Notta.
Take away sex with Lewinsky and there is no obstruction, there is no perjury. Don't be obtuse.
Just ask some of the innocent people who have gone to prison because of Mueller botched investigations about his "honesty and integrity". Ties to organized crime and the Russian mob? Again, where's the proof? And where does it say just because you've been involved in casinos and New York real estate that automatically makes you satan?Henry Gondorff said:The Whitewater investigation started in 1994 and ended with a final report in 2000. It resulted in 12 convictions. Trumpgate is barely a year old. There are nearly 20 guilty pleas and indictments, including his national security advisor, campaign manager, 13 Russian nationals, etc. No one in their right mind would think that Trump is somehow the poor, mistreated innocent in this one. Mueller is known for his honesty and integrity. Trump is a known liar, with ties to organized crime and the Russian mob. He was in the casino business in Atlantic City and was in RE in the New York area and people on this board think that he's Mother Theresa....Johnny Bear said:Wrong.HuMcK said:
The precedent was set in the 90s by Kenn Starr. He investigated 15yr old land deals and ended up impeaching a sitting POTUS over an affair. Starr even threatened Lewinsky with jail-time to force her to testify against Clinton. Now we have a POTUS credibly accused of espionage against the United States and y'all are griping about the investigation being too aggressive and "setting precedents". People that paid attention to the supposedly "fake news" about Trump and his associates have been laying out how this would probably go since it started, so y'all can drop the surprise act at any time.
Starr's investigation ended with a detailed report about obstruction of justice and perjury committed by a sitting POTUS - Bill Clinton. It wasn't about "an affair" - the evidence relating to the affair was a means to the end of proving the obstruction and perjury cases. Congratulations on memorizing that talking point, however.
As far as presently having a POTUS "credibly accused of espionage against the United States" - after about a year and a half of an exhaustive investigation cheered on by MSM hacks and liberals like you literally dying for anything to prove the wholly made up accusation of Russian collusion, there is still not one shred of evidence that it happened. Zip. Zilch. Narryin. Notta.
By the way, nobody thinks Trump is or ever was "Mother Teresa". Everybody, including committed Christian Evangelicals, know that he has previously lived the life of a billionaire playboy and has probably bedded more women than most of us will ever even know. The country didn't vote for him to be a pastor or a Sunday School teacher - they voted for him to be a strong leader and POTUS (something we clearly hadn't had for a long time) while in the case of Evangelicals, actually respecting them and their beliefs as opposed to mocking and demonizing them. Furthermore, I think the guy has changed and it's significant that a lot of the alleged womanizing stuff is about things that occurred more than a decade ago. Compare that to the dalliances of sitting U.S. Presidents like JFK, LBJ and especially Bill Clinton which I'll bet you didn't care a wit about. There's a big difference.
Finally, it's hysterical for people like you to be outraged about "lying" when Hillary Clinton was the other choice. Now that's really rich!
Johnny Bear said:
Finally, it's hysterical for people like you to be outraged about "lying" when Hillary Clinton was the other choice. Now that's really rich!
Johnny Bear said:What does that have to do with anything? Obstruction of justice and perjury are crimes regardless of the reason(s) for why they were committed. Don't be obtuse.quash said:Johnny Bear said:Wrong.HuMcK said:
The precedent was set in the 90s by Kenn Starr. He investigated 15yr old land deals and ended up impeaching a sitting POTUS over an affair. Starr even threatened Lewinsky with jail-time to force her to testify against Clinton. Now we have a POTUS credibly accused of espionage against the United States and y'all are griping about the investigation being too aggressive and "setting precedents". People that paid attention to the supposedly "fake news" about Trump and his associates have been laying out how this would probably go since it started, so y'all can drop the surprise act at any time.
Starr's investigation ended with a detailed report about obstruction of justice and perjury committed by a sitting POTUS - Bill Clinton. It wasn't about "an affair" - the evidence relating to the affair was a means to the end of proving the obstruction and perjury cases. Congratulations on memorizing that talking point, however.
As far as presently having a POTUS "credibly accused of espionage against the United States" - after about a year and a half of an exhaustive investigation cheered on by MSM hacks and liberals like you literally dying for anything to prove the wholly made up accusation of Russian collusion, there is still not one shred of evidence that it happened. Zip. Zilch. Narryin. Notta.
Take away sex with Lewinsky and there is no obstruction, there is no perjury. Don't be obtuse.
Wow, you really don't get it.
Had Starr not gone beyond Arkansas real estate to White House sex there would have been no obstruction or perjury.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
A whole lot of context is missing here.Willie said:Johnny Bear said:
Finally, it's hysterical for people like you to be outraged about "lying" when Hillary Clinton was the other choice. Now that's really rich!
Waco1947 ,la
LOL. I could really care less who Trump paid to sleep with him.... (Although regrettably, it seems that he favors a more coercive method of seduction, based on his Access Hollywood tape. I know, I know. He was a youthful late 50s guy back then, with a new wife and newborn son. What a beauty....) You think that Donald Trump and, presumably, Bill Clinton have presidential stature and morality - your idea for presidential standards are a very different than mine, needless to say ....Johnny Bear said:Just ask some of the innocent people who have gone to prison because of Mueller botched investigations about his "honesty and integrity". Ties to organized crime and the Russian mob? Again, where's the proof? And where does it say just because you've been involved in casinos and New York real estate that automatically makes you satan?Henry Gondorff said:The Whitewater investigation started in 1994 and ended with a final report in 2000. It resulted in 12 convictions. Trumpgate is barely a year old. There are nearly 20 guilty pleas and indictments, including his national security advisor, campaign manager, 13 Russian nationals, etc. No one in their right mind would think that Trump is somehow the poor, mistreated innocent in this one. Mueller is known for his honesty and integrity. Trump is a known liar, with ties to organized crime and the Russian mob. He was in the casino business in Atlantic City and was in RE in the New York area and people on this board think that he's Mother Theresa....Johnny Bear said:Wrong.HuMcK said:
The precedent was set in the 90s by Kenn Starr. He investigated 15yr old land deals and ended up impeaching a sitting POTUS over an affair. Starr even threatened Lewinsky with jail-time to force her to testify against Clinton. Now we have a POTUS credibly accused of espionage against the United States and y'all are griping about the investigation being too aggressive and "setting precedents". People that paid attention to the supposedly "fake news" about Trump and his associates have been laying out how this would probably go since it started, so y'all can drop the surprise act at any time.
Starr's investigation ended with a detailed report about obstruction of justice and perjury committed by a sitting POTUS - Bill Clinton. It wasn't about "an affair" - the evidence relating to the affair was a means to the end of proving the obstruction and perjury cases. Congratulations on memorizing that talking point, however.
As far as presently having a POTUS "credibly accused of espionage against the United States" - after about a year and a half of an exhaustive investigation cheered on by MSM hacks and liberals like you literally dying for anything to prove the wholly made up accusation of Russian collusion, there is still not one shred of evidence that it happened. Zip. Zilch. Narryin. Notta.
By the way, nobody thinks Trump is or ever was "Mother Teresa". Everybody, including committed Christian Evangelicals, know that he has previously lived the life of a billionaire playboy and has probably bedded more women than most of us will ever even know. The country didn't vote for him to be a pastor or a Sunday School teacher - they voted for him to be a strong leader and POTUS (something we clearly hadn't had for a long time) while in the case of Evangelicals, actually respecting them and their beliefs as opposed to mocking and demonizing them. Furthermore, I think the guy has changed and it's significant that a lot of the alleged womanizing stuff is about things that occurred more than a decade ago. Compare that to the dalliances of sitting U.S. Presidents like JFK, LBJ and especially Bill Clinton which I'll bet you didn't care a wit about. There's a big difference.
Finally, it's hysterical for people like you to be outraged about "lying" when Hillary Clinton was the other choice. Now that's really rich!
It's the bat**** crazy right's best thing... take a couple of true things and then bend them so completely out of shape that they create a monstrous lie.Waco1947 said:A whole lot of context is missing here.Willie said:Johnny Bear said:
Finally, it's hysterical for people like you to be outraged about "lying" when Hillary Clinton was the other choice. Now that's really rich!
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."
Mahatma Gandhi
Mahatma Gandhi
Waco1947 said:A whole lot of context is missing here.Willie said:Johnny Bear said:
Finally, it's hysterical for people like you to be outraged about "lying" when Hillary Clinton was the other choice. Now that's really rich!
Doubt any 'context' alter's the victims opinion of Hillary Clinton .
some really simple minded people can't understand our justice system. The defense council did her job which is what she was supposed to do. Want to be mad? be mad at the DA
on another front, how is the coup going?
slowest coup in history
on another front, how is the coup going?
slowest coup in history
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."
Mahatma Gandhi
Mahatma Gandhi
HuMcK said:
Oh would you look that, a key piece of the Steele Dossier getting corroborated. Cohen is fu/ked by the looks of things.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-denies-traveling-to-prague/
Claims to have been on a baseball recruiting trip with his son at USC.
From one who served President Clinton
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/383166-comeys-last-stand-for-the-deep-state
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/383166-comeys-last-stand-for-the-deep-state