This made me laugh, but truthfully, schools that didn't get these students are breathing a big fat sigh of relief. And the ones who did get them may end up firing some of the admissions staff who "craft" each class. That's a quote from this incredibly bizarre email we got several years ago from the admissions dean at Amherst after our daughter applied there. That helped us decide Amherst was definitely NOT the school for her even before they issued a decision.YoakDaddy said:
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Joking? Then please accept my apologies. I misunderstoodOsodecentx said:Look, I was joking. As in "shame on you for being born white", like you had a choice. I was trying to lighten things up a little. As to maturity, I'm not taking cheap shots at you over perceived intellectual short comings. Stupid people have voices too and they are heard here often and loudlyWaco1947 said:God what stupidity! To whom and where you are born and what year counts. Try to be mature please.Osodecentx said:Well, shame on youWaco1947 said:
I was born white in Waco 1947. That choice () put me at the front of the line. My black brothers and sisters in 1947? Not so much
You have quite the burden trying to correct and nag everyone who might disagree. I recommend you spend time with Dale Carnegie and a glass of wine. He can help you with your interpersonal issues and y'all have a lot of theology in common as well. The wine might help your blood pressure
I was born to middle class parents who were farmers. Dad didn't go to college. We did the best we could. We weren't ashamed of our race, nor was my Black roommate in college.
Waco1947 ,la
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Where? I believe my post was the first to point out the rank hypocrisy of Donald J. Trump ....Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Your post above takes Trump to task for not releasing his grades. Where are Obama's grades? They were never released.Henry Gondorff said:Where? I believe my post was the first to point out the rank hypocrisy of Donald J. Trump ....Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Trump a hypocrite? Sure. But you are 'screaming' about Trump's grades not being released when Obama didn't either
North Korea threatening to resume missle tests,
China attempting to close off the South China Sea shipping lanes ,
Russia continuing to threaten Ukraine,
Iran attacking Israel through its surrogates,
Venezuela approaching total chaos,
thousands of illegals daily attempting to break through our southern border,
300 Americans OD from heroin each day
and the concern expressed is about Donald Trumps grades.
China attempting to close off the South China Sea shipping lanes ,
Russia continuing to threaten Ukraine,
Iran attacking Israel through its surrogates,
Venezuela approaching total chaos,
thousands of illegals daily attempting to break through our southern border,
300 Americans OD from heroin each day
and the concern expressed is about Donald Trumps grades.
I don't consider the link below authoritative, but neither is Huff. Surely there is more good information out there somewhereBooray said:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/political-donors-college-admissions-scandal_n_5c883861e4b0fbd7661ed2fbOsodecentx said:Link, please.Booray said:Saw a story detailing the political donations of the indicted. Total money donated was almost exactly 50/50 to Rep./Democrat candidates and organizations.Osodecentx said:Separate but equal was never equal. BTW, you'd be disqualified from a federal judgeship because of your white privilege, even though you had nothing to do with the selection of your schools.Jinx 2 said:
I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.
If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?
And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."
Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.
Who bears the burden your redistribution of these educational reparations? Poor white and Asian kids whose parents can't bribe coaches and cheat on SATs.
AA diminishes the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities. Did someone named Bush (or Clinton, or Carter) benefit, I'd say yes. What is your cure? Benefits based on the color of your skin.
BTW, how about a side bet between you and me? I say more of the folks whose kids cheated their way into a prestigious college are Democrats. Deal?
This may be correct. If I'm eating crow, I want a link
Still doesn't really answer your question. It could be one big donor on one side and a bunch of smaller donors on the other. But I would guess the absence of a moral compass splits pretty equal.
https://www.wibc.com/blogs/chicks-right/several-those-involved-college-admissions-scandal-are-high-profile-democrats
Please to enjoy further insight into the matter courtesy of the fair and beautiful Mock and Daisy.
Quote:
Mock:
"Felicity Huffman, for example, is a very big fan of Kamala Harris and donates to 'Act Blue.' The only exception would be Lori Loughlin and her husband, who have not given to any political campaigns since way back when Mitt Romney was running for President. But the rest of these parents on the list gave a ton of money to Obama, and they're all mostly in New York or California."
Osodecentx said:Your post above takes Trump to task for not releasing his grades. Where are Obama's grades? They were never released.Henry Gondorff said:Where? I believe my post was the first to point out the rank hypocrisy of Donald J. Trump ....Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Trump a hypocrite? Sure. But you are 'screaming' about Trump's grades not being released when Obama didn't either
1. Obama NEVER made the point that Trump should release his transcripts. However, Trump ranted and raved about how Obama should release his transcript (and birth certificate).
2. YOU first made the point about Obama not releasing his transcripts and AA. Thus, I thought it only fair to point out that your "very stable genius" likely benefited from white AA and has not released his transcripts after making such a big fuss about Obama's. In fact...Trump has THREATENED TO SUE any school that releases his grades and SAT scores. LMAO
3. Thus, I was merely pointing out YOUR and Trump's hypocrisy on this matter, not that you really understand it.....
Last time I checked, this was a thread about a scandal relating to admissions to elite universities, with various comments about the scandal at hand, Obama, AA, etc. If you want to discuss the issues you listed, perhaps you can peruse other threads or even start one on your own! I seem to recall a few threads on NK, though I am not sure what you are worried about there .... Trump has said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat to us!Canada2017 said:
North Korea threatening to resume missle tests,
China attempting to close off the South China Sea shipping lanes ,
Russia continuing to threaten Ukraine,
Iran attacking Israel through its surrogates,
Venezuela approaching total chaos,
thousands of illegals daily attempting to break through our southern border,
300 Americans OD from heroin each day
and the concern expressed is about Donald Trumps grades.
Henry Gondorff said:Last time I checked, this was a thread about a scandal relating to admissions to elite universities, with various comments about the scandal at hand, Obama, AA, etc. If you want to discuss the issues you listed, perhaps you can peruse other threads or even start one on your own! I seem to recall a few threads on NK, though I am not sure what you are worried about there .... Trump has said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat to us!Canada2017 said:
North Korea threatening to resume missle tests,
China attempting to close off the South China Sea shipping lanes ,
Russia continuing to threaten Ukraine,
Iran attacking Israel through its surrogates,
Venezuela approaching total chaos,
thousands of illegals daily attempting to break through our southern border,
300 Americans OD from heroin each day
and the concern expressed is about Donald Trumps grades.
Same answer ....in the middle of real problems some folks choose to concern themselves instead about Donald Trumps grades .
amazing world we live in
Canada2017 said:Henry Gondorff said:Last time I checked, this was a thread about a scandal relating to admissions to elite universities, with various comments about the scandal at hand, Obama, AA, etc. If you want to discuss the issues you listed, perhaps you can peruse other threads or even start one on your own! I seem to recall a few threads on NK, though I am not sure what you are worried about there .... Trump has said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat to us!Canada2017 said:
North Korea threatening to resume missle tests,
China attempting to close off the South China Sea shipping lanes ,
Russia continuing to threaten Ukraine,
Iran attacking Israel through its surrogates,
Venezuela approaching total chaos,
thousands of illegals daily attempting to break through our southern border,
300 Americans OD from heroin each day
and the concern expressed is about Donald Trumps grades.
Same answer ....in the middle of real problems some folks choose to concern themselves instead about Donald Trumps grades .
amazing world we live in
Lmao. A bit sensitive? You did not seem as sensitive when posters were taking shots at Obama, just Trump. And it seems a bit stupid for you to complain about me posting about trump benefitting from white AA in response to other posters blasting Obama. You posted liberally on this thread, in many cases complaining about AA and money in the college system. I pointed out that Trump likely benefited from white AA / money in the system (again, in direct response to others taking shots at Obama) and you are upset and want to discuss NK on a college scandal thread?
Ok. Let's go. Trump has pointedly said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, though our intelligence community has pointed out that NK remains steadfast in its development of nuclear weapons and ICBMs. If Trump believes that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, then what is your concern? Why are we even negotiating?
As for Venezuela, outside of the humanitarian aspect of it, why is this a national concern of the US? If you believe that it is, why?
As for Russia, what do you propose that we do? Go to war over Ukraine?
As for Iran, what do you suggest we do? Go to war? We provide 3bn in military aid each year, not to mention providing intelligence, to Israel. Are you suggesting we do more? If so, what?
What about global warming? You failed to mention that. What about Skyrocketing healthcare costs that are pounding the middle class?
Lots of issues to discuss, though none seem terribly germane to a thread on college admissions....
Osodecentx said:I don't consider the link below authoritative, but neither is Huff. Surely there is more good information out there somewhereBooray said:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/political-donors-college-admissions-scandal_n_5c883861e4b0fbd7661ed2fbOsodecentx said:Link, please.Booray said:Saw a story detailing the political donations of the indicted. Total money donated was almost exactly 50/50 to Rep./Democrat candidates and organizations.Osodecentx said:Separate but equal was never equal. BTW, you'd be disqualified from a federal judgeship because of your white privilege, even though you had nothing to do with the selection of your schools.Jinx 2 said:
I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.
If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?
And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."
Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.
Who bears the burden your redistribution of these educational reparations? Poor white and Asian kids whose parents can't bribe coaches and cheat on SATs.
AA diminishes the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities. Did someone named Bush (or Clinton, or Carter) benefit, I'd say yes. What is your cure? Benefits based on the color of your skin.
BTW, how about a side bet between you and me? I say more of the folks whose kids cheated their way into a prestigious college are Democrats. Deal?
This may be correct. If I'm eating crow, I want a link
Still doesn't really answer your question. It could be one big donor on one side and a bunch of smaller donors on the other. But I would guess the absence of a moral compass splits pretty equal.
https://www.wibc.com/blogs/chicks-right/several-those-involved-college-admissions-scandal-are-high-profile-democrats
Please to enjoy further insight into the matter courtesy of the fair and beautiful Mock and Daisy.Quote:
Mock:
"Felicity Huffman, for example, is a very big fan of Kamala Harris and donates to 'Act Blue.' The only exception would be Lori Loughlin and her husband, who have not given to any political campaigns since way back when Mitt Romney was running for President. But the rest of these parents on the list gave a ton of money to Obama, and they're all mostly in New York or California."
Do people not even think about what they say anymore? If you gave money to Mitt Romney, that was too long ago to really matter. But giving money to an Obama campaign is fair game. Last Obama campaign? When he ran against Romney. Geezz.
Also there are millions of Republicans in California and New York. That shorthand does not work.
1. TrueHenry Gondorff said:Osodecentx said:Your post above takes Trump to task for not releasing his grades. Where are Obama's grades? They were never released.Henry Gondorff said:Where? I believe my post was the first to point out the rank hypocrisy of Donald J. Trump ....Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Trump a hypocrite? Sure. But you are 'screaming' about Trump's grades not being released when Obama didn't either
1. Obama NEVER made the point that Trump should release his transcripts. However, Trump ranted and raved about how Obama should release his transcript (and birth certificate).
2. YOU first made the point about Obama not releasing his transcripts and AA. Thus, I thought it only fair to point out that your "very stable genius" likely benefited from white AA and has not released his transcripts after making such a big fuss about Obama's. In fact...Trump has THREATENED TO SUE any school that releases his grades and SAT scores. LMAO
3. Thus, I was merely pointing out YOUR and Trump's hypocrisy on this matter, not that you really understand it.....
2. True
3. I was pointing out your hypocrisy, not that you'll recognize it. Trump is a hypocrite, no doubt about it. Obama didn't release his grades from college or law school. He did not earn editor of law review by his grades. They changed the rules
It is shallow, but I wonder why nobody reputable has done the researchBooray said:Osodecentx said:I don't consider the link below authoritative, but neither is Huff. Surely there is more good information out there somewhereBooray said:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/political-donors-college-admissions-scandal_n_5c883861e4b0fbd7661ed2fbOsodecentx said:Link, please.Booray said:Saw a story detailing the political donations of the indicted. Total money donated was almost exactly 50/50 to Rep./Democrat candidates and organizations.Osodecentx said:Separate but equal was never equal. BTW, you'd be disqualified from a federal judgeship because of your white privilege, even though you had nothing to do with the selection of your schools.Jinx 2 said:
I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.
If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?
And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."
Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.
Who bears the burden your redistribution of these educational reparations? Poor white and Asian kids whose parents can't bribe coaches and cheat on SATs.
AA diminishes the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities. Did someone named Bush (or Clinton, or Carter) benefit, I'd say yes. What is your cure? Benefits based on the color of your skin.
BTW, how about a side bet between you and me? I say more of the folks whose kids cheated their way into a prestigious college are Democrats. Deal?
This may be correct. If I'm eating crow, I want a link
Still doesn't really answer your question. It could be one big donor on one side and a bunch of smaller donors on the other. But I would guess the absence of a moral compass splits pretty equal.
https://www.wibc.com/blogs/chicks-right/several-those-involved-college-admissions-scandal-are-high-profile-democrats
Please to enjoy further insight into the matter courtesy of the fair and beautiful Mock and Daisy.Quote:
Mock:
"Felicity Huffman, for example, is a very big fan of Kamala Harris and donates to 'Act Blue.' The only exception would be Lori Loughlin and her husband, who have not given to any political campaigns since way back when Mitt Romney was running for President. But the rest of these parents on the list gave a ton of money to Obama, and they're all mostly in New York or California."
Do people not even think about what they say anymore? If you gave money to Mitt Romney, that was too long ago to really matter. But giving money to an Obama campaign is fair game. Last Obama campaign? When he ran against Romney. Geezz.
Also there are millions of Republicans in California and New York. That shorthand does not work.
Henry Gondorff said:Canada2017 said:Henry Gondorff said:Last time I checked, this was a thread about a scandal relating to admissions to elite universities, with various comments about the scandal at hand, Obama, AA, etc. If you want to discuss the issues you listed, perhaps you can peruse other threads or even start one on your own! I seem to recall a few threads on NK, though I am not sure what you are worried about there .... Trump has said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat to us!Canada2017 said:
North Korea threatening to resume missle tests,
China attempting to close off the South China Sea shipping lanes ,
Russia continuing to threaten Ukraine,
Iran attacking Israel through its surrogates,
Venezuela approaching total chaos,
thousands of illegals daily attempting to break through our southern border,
300 Americans OD from heroin each day
and the concern expressed is about Donald Trumps grades.
Same answer ....in the middle of real problems some folks choose to concern themselves instead about Donald Trumps grades .
amazing world we live in
Lmao. A bit sensitive? You did not seem as sensitive when posters were taking shots at Obama, just Trump. And it seems a bit stupid for you to complain about me posting about trump benefitting from white AA in response to other posters blasting Obama. You posted liberally on this thread, in many cases complaining about AA and money in the college system. I pointed out that Trump likely benefited from white AA / money in the system (again, in direct response to others taking shots at Obama) and you are upset and want to discuss NK on a college scandal thread?
Ok. Let's go. Trump has pointedly said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, though our intelligence community has pointed out that NK remains steadfast in its development of nuclear weapons and ICBMs. If Trump believes that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, then what is your concern? Why are we even negotiating?
As for Venezuela, outside of the humanitarian aspect of it, why is this a national concern of the US? If you believe that it is, why?
As for Russia, what do you propose that we do? Go to war over Ukraine?
As for Iran, what do you suggest we do? Go to war? We provide 3bn in military aid each year, not to mention providing intelligence, to Israel. Are you suggesting we do more? If so, what?
What about global warming? You failed to mention that. What about Skyrocketing healthcare costs that are pounding the middle class?
Lots of issues to discuss, though none seem terribly germane to a thread on college admissions....
A. Entrance to any university should be based on exam scores. Not money, nor political correctness, nor connections, nor skin color.
B.NK....pull our troops out of South Korea . As it stands now they are literally 20 minutes or less from a nuclear strike. South Korea has had over 60 years to build up its own defenses . For our troops to still be required there is absurd
C. Venezuela......socialism on parade . None of our business or concern . Not worth the life of a single US serviceman .
D.iran.....arm Israel to the teeth and keep our fleet ready for immediate strikes on Iran's nuclear development sites .
E. Ukraine.....3-4 billion in domestic and military aid
F. Global Warming .....Any treaty reducing carbon emissions has to include the exact same requirements of China, India and Russia or it is worthless
G.Medical Insurance ......Universal heath care sounds all warm and fuzzy.....but it has failed almost everywhere over time . Go back to pre Obama private medical insurance and start over .
I. Immigration.....it is physically , financially and politically impossible to absorb the ever expanding millions of central and South America into the United States . Like other issues ....the warm and fuzzy catch phrases ....are not reality based
Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Obama graduated magna cum lauded from Harvard. That's well known.
Showing his grades would have made no difference. He showed is birth certificate, birth announcement and we all knew his mother was from Kansas and grandfather a WW2 veteran. Yet, still, people said he wasn't an American.
Doesn't act like one. At least the ones I knew growing up in Texas.
Then show us O's grades if it makes no differencetommie said:Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Showing his grades would have made no difference.
I can say that showing Trump's grades would make no difference. However, he was the one criticizing Obama for not releasing his grades, so I think he should be held to the same standard
Because at some point, in all arguments, you have to be the adult. Trump would keep saying "buy why". What you are suggesting WAS done to placate birthers. It was "Never enough".Osodecentx said:Then show us O's grades if it makes no differencetommie said:Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Showing his grades would have made no difference.
I can say that showing Trump's grades would make no difference. However, he was the one criticizing Obama for not releasing his grades, so I think he should be held to the same standard
I think O didn't want his transcripts released for the same reason Trump doesn'ttommie said:Because at some point, in all arguments, you have to be the adult. Trump would keep saying "buy why". What you are suggesting WAS done to placate birthers. It was "Never enough".Osodecentx said:Then show us O's grades if it makes no differencetommie said:Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Showing his grades would have made no difference.
I can say that showing Trump's grades would make no difference. However, he was the one criticizing Obama for not releasing his grades, so I think he should be held to the same standard
Osodecentx said:I think O didn't want his transcripts released for the same reason Trump doesn'ttommie said:Because at some point, in all arguments, you have to be the adult. Trump would keep saying "buy why". What you are suggesting WAS done to placate birthers. It was "Never enough".Osodecentx said:Then show us O's grades if it makes no differencetommie said:Osodecentx said:It is very believable. And there are Obama fans on this thread screaming about Trump.Henry Gondorff said:
Trump allegedly got into Penn because of a family friend after having only middling grades at Fordham. He threatened to sue his high school, Fordham and Penn if any of them released his SAT scores or grades. This is after he carped for years about Obama releasing his college transcript. And there are Trump fans on this thread screaming about Obama? Unbelievable. Actually, scratch that. It's entirely and sadly ....very believable.
Showing his grades would have made no difference.
I can say that showing Trump's grades would make no difference. However, he was the one criticizing Obama for not releasing his grades, so I think he should be held to the same standard
You're way off on that. Magna tells me he's an A B student at Harvard.
But let's say he's a C student. Obama never claimed to be the best student. Top of his class. Trump did. It would show another example of him lying.
Trump lies when lies are unnecessary. He also understands that there is a point with people where they stop believing you. Even worse, they stop believing in you. Proof that he's not a good businessman and not a good student will sway away a few more supporters.
As for Obama, I will not vote for him in the next election.
A. Very good, though I think that Baylor would need to drop a few sports (football, basketball and baseball come to mind) if we admitted solely on exam scores!Canada2017 said:Henry Gondorff said:Canada2017 said:Henry Gondorff said:Last time I checked, this was a thread about a scandal relating to admissions to elite universities, with various comments about the scandal at hand, Obama, AA, etc. If you want to discuss the issues you listed, perhaps you can peruse other threads or even start one on your own! I seem to recall a few threads on NK, though I am not sure what you are worried about there .... Trump has said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat to us!Canada2017 said:
North Korea threatening to resume missle tests,
China attempting to close off the South China Sea shipping lanes ,
Russia continuing to threaten Ukraine,
Iran attacking Israel through its surrogates,
Venezuela approaching total chaos,
thousands of illegals daily attempting to break through our southern border,
300 Americans OD from heroin each day
and the concern expressed is about Donald Trumps grades.
Same answer ....in the middle of real problems some folks choose to concern themselves instead about Donald Trumps grades .
amazing world we live in
Lmao. A bit sensitive? You did not seem as sensitive when posters were taking shots at Obama, just Trump. And it seems a bit stupid for you to complain about me posting about trump benefitting from white AA in response to other posters blasting Obama. You posted liberally on this thread, in many cases complaining about AA and money in the college system. I pointed out that Trump likely benefited from white AA / money in the system (again, in direct response to others taking shots at Obama) and you are upset and want to discuss NK on a college scandal thread?
Ok. Let's go. Trump has pointedly said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, though our intelligence community has pointed out that NK remains steadfast in its development of nuclear weapons and ICBMs. If Trump believes that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, then what is your concern? Why are we even negotiating?
As for Venezuela, outside of the humanitarian aspect of it, why is this a national concern of the US? If you believe that it is, why?
As for Russia, what do you propose that we do? Go to war over Ukraine?
As for Iran, what do you suggest we do? Go to war? We provide 3bn in military aid each year, not to mention providing intelligence, to Israel. Are you suggesting we do more? If so, what?
What about global warming? You failed to mention that. What about Skyrocketing healthcare costs that are pounding the middle class?
Lots of issues to discuss, though none seem terribly germane to a thread on college admissions....
A. Entrance to any university should be based on exam scores. Not money, nor political correctness, nor connections, nor skin color.
B.NK....pull our troops out of South Korea . As it stands now they are literally 20 minutes or less from a nuclear strike. South Korea has had over 60 years to build up its own defenses . For our troops to still be required there is absurd
C. Venezuela......socialism on parade . None of our business or concern . Not worth the life of a single US serviceman .
D.iran.....arm Israel to the teeth and keep our fleet ready for immediate strikes on Iran's nuclear development sites .
E. Ukraine.....3-4 billion in domestic and military aid
F. Global Warming .....Any treaty reducing carbon emissions has to include the exact same requirements of China, India and Russia or it is worthless
G.Medical Insurance ......Universal heath care sounds all warm and fuzzy.....but it has failed almost everywhere over time . Go back to pre Obama private medical insurance and start over .
I. Immigration.....it is physically , financially and politically impossible to absorb the ever expanding millions of central and South America into the United States . Like other issues ....the warm and fuzzy catch phrases ....are not reality based
B-E. Kind of a dog's breakfast of foreign policy. You cited NK, Ven, Iran and Ukraine as of national importance, but now claim (rightly) that Ven really isn't. But, you want to intervene and give lots more money to Israel (a wealthy country that already gets billions from us), with our fleet on the ready. While Ukraine is not as wealthy, you want to get us more significantly involved in a country that is on Russia's doorstep. So, perhaps two hot wars would be on the horizon (including one with a nuclear power - Russia), with billions upon billions of additional American tax dollars being thrown around ....
F. Your global warming policies seems to be based on whatever the Chinese and Indians do. Either it is a problem or it is not. If it is, our policies should not be predicated on what the Chinese and Indians do. Rather, we should exhibit global leadership, as we have with other global crises .... (Btw, the Chinese are not stupid; they are taking the lead in solar and other areas of energy innovation....).
G. I never said anything about universal health care. We spend 17% of GDP on medical care, far more than any other advanced nation, and our OVERALL outcomes are worse and have been regardless of era (e.g., private insurance, public spending, etc.).
H. Immigration - where are your statistics coming from? Net illegal immigration has FALLEN, starting (gasp) during that great liberal Obama's administration and continuing during the Trump administration.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falling-illegal-immigration-numbers-confirm-no-border-crisis/#97c646533fbc
Other than rhetoric from Trump to rile up his base, our border policies (again, starting under Obama) have largely worked. I do agree with Trump - we should control our borders. However, this does not seem to be an existential crisis that you (I guess based on Trump's rhetoric) believe it is ....particularly at 3.8% unemployment.
Of your list, I am most concerned about A. I actually like the direction of our football program and I think that admissions based solely on exam scores would have a detrimental impact on it....!
Henry Gondorff said:A. Very good, though I think that Baylor would need to drop a few sports (football, basketball and baseball come to mind) if we admitted solely on exam scores!Canada2017 said:Henry Gondorff said:Canada2017 said:Henry Gondorff said:Last time I checked, this was a thread about a scandal relating to admissions to elite universities, with various comments about the scandal at hand, Obama, AA, etc. If you want to discuss the issues you listed, perhaps you can peruse other threads or even start one on your own! I seem to recall a few threads on NK, though I am not sure what you are worried about there .... Trump has said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat to us!Canada2017 said:
North Korea threatening to resume missle tests,
China attempting to close off the South China Sea shipping lanes ,
Russia continuing to threaten Ukraine,
Iran attacking Israel through its surrogates,
Venezuela approaching total chaos,
thousands of illegals daily attempting to break through our southern border,
300 Americans OD from heroin each day
and the concern expressed is about Donald Trumps grades.
Same answer ....in the middle of real problems some folks choose to concern themselves instead about Donald Trumps grades .
amazing world we live in
Lmao. A bit sensitive? You did not seem as sensitive when posters were taking shots at Obama, just Trump. And it seems a bit stupid for you to complain about me posting about trump benefitting from white AA in response to other posters blasting Obama. You posted liberally on this thread, in many cases complaining about AA and money in the college system. I pointed out that Trump likely benefited from white AA / money in the system (again, in direct response to others taking shots at Obama) and you are upset and want to discuss NK on a college scandal thread?
Ok. Let's go. Trump has pointedly said that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, though our intelligence community has pointed out that NK remains steadfast in its development of nuclear weapons and ICBMs. If Trump believes that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, then what is your concern? Why are we even negotiating?
As for Venezuela, outside of the humanitarian aspect of it, why is this a national concern of the US? If you believe that it is, why?
As for Russia, what do you propose that we do? Go to war over Ukraine?
As for Iran, what do you suggest we do? Go to war? We provide 3bn in military aid each year, not to mention providing intelligence, to Israel. Are you suggesting we do more? If so, what?
What about global warming? You failed to mention that. What about Skyrocketing healthcare costs that are pounding the middle class?
Lots of issues to discuss, though none seem terribly germane to a thread on college admissions....
A. Entrance to any university should be based on exam scores. Not money, nor political correctness, nor connections, nor skin color.
B.NK....pull our troops out of South Korea . As it stands now they are literally 20 minutes or less from a nuclear strike. South Korea has had over 60 years to build up its own defenses . For our troops to still be required there is absurd
C. Venezuela......socialism on parade . None of our business or concern . Not worth the life of a single US serviceman .
D.iran.....arm Israel to the teeth and keep our fleet ready for immediate strikes on Iran's nuclear development sites .
E. Ukraine.....3-4 billion in domestic and military aid
F. Global Warming .....Any treaty reducing carbon emissions has to include the exact same requirements of China, India and Russia or it is worthless
G.Medical Insurance ......Universal heath care sounds all warm and fuzzy.....but it has failed almost everywhere over time . Go back to pre Obama private medical insurance and start over .
I. Immigration.....it is physically , financially and politically impossible to absorb the ever expanding millions of central and South America into the United States . Like other issues ....the warm and fuzzy catch phrases ....are not reality based
B-E. Kind of a dog's breakfast of foreign policy. You cited NK, Ven, Iran and Ukraine as of national importance, but now claim (rightly) that Ven really isn't. But, you want to intervene and give lots more money to Israel (a wealthy country that already gets billions from us), with our fleet on the ready. While Ukraine is not as wealthy, you want to get us more significantly involved in a country that is on Russia's doorstep. So, perhaps two hot wars would be on the horizon (including one with a nuclear power - Russia), with billions upon billions of additional American tax dollars being thrown around ....
F. Your global warming policies seems to be based on whatever the Chinese and Indians do. Either it is a problem or it is not. If it is, our policies should not be predicated on what the Chinese and Indians do. Rather, we should exhibit global leadership, as we have with other global crises .... (Btw, the Chinese are not stupid; they are taking the lead in solar and other areas of energy innovation....).
G. I never said anything about universal health care. We spend 17% of GDP on medical care, far more than any other advanced nation, and our OVERALL outcomes are worse and have been regardless of era (e.g., private insurance, public spending, etc.).
H. Immigration - where are your statistics coming from? Net illegal immigration has FALLEN, starting (gasp) during that great liberal Obama's administration and continuing during the Trump administration.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2019/01/17/falling-illegal-immigration-numbers-confirm-no-border-crisis/#97c646533fbc
Other than rhetoric from Trump to rile up his base, our border policies (again, starting under Obama) have largely worked. I do agree with Trump - we should control our borders. However, this does not seem to be an existential crisis that you (I guess based on Trump's rhetoric) believe it is ....particularly at 3.8% unemployment.
Of your list, I am most concerned about A. I actually like the direction of our football program and I think that admissions based solely on exam scores would have a detrimental impact on it....!
The older you get the less college football will mean to you in regards to the integrity of the university in question .
When the football coach is making 5x the salary of the university president .....priorities are completely out of wack.
Same is true at Texas A&M, UT and TT.
If it was up to me .....cancel the entire athletic department and return student sports....to sports real students actually choose to participate in . Maybe they would get off their phones and stay healthier.
Immigration.....according to recent reports ....last month saw a record number of arrests on the southern border for illegals .
Only if you were using Baylor's general admission standards instead of the NCAA eligibility standards. All of BU's athletes have the combined core GPA and test scores set by the NCAA.Quote:
Of your list, I am most concerned about A. I actually like the direction of our football program and I think that admissions based solely on exam scores would have a detrimental impact on it....!
I was joking. A poster said that exam scores should be the sole determinant of admission. Throw out grades, special aptitude in your given field of study, etc. hell, what's the point of even attending HS, much less a competitive one or having any aptitude whatsoever!Malbec said:Only if you were using Baylor's general admission standards instead of the NCAA eligibility standards. All of BU's athletes have the combined core GPA and test scores set by the NCAA.Quote:
HOf your list, I am most concerned about A. I actually like the direction of our football program and I think that admissions based solely on exam scores would have a detrimental impact on it....!
As for border apprehensions, before this became a campaign issue and sop for his base, the first two years of the Trump presidency (2017 and 2018) were pretty pedestrian in terms of border apprehensions. Now, it's a full blown national emergency, never mind that almost all 9-11 murderers came in legally through airports, were KSA nationals, (our ally per Trump) and overstayed their visas. No need to demagogue on that!
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2019-Mar/bp-total-monthly-apps-sector-area-fy2018.pdf
As for Obama, he did graduate magna from HLS, which means he was in the top 5 to 10 (cut off for summa) to 33 percent of his class at a competitive law school. While not first in his class (like our "very stable genius" president has claimed), it should suffice for all except those that really are not going to be satisfied, regardless....
You use way too many exclamation points.