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I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.

If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?

And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."

Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.

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Separate but equal was never equal. BTW, you'd be disqualified from a federal judgeship because of your white privilege, even though you had nothing to do with the selection of your schools.

Who bears the burden your redistribution of these educational reparations? Poor white and Asian kids whose parents can't bribe coaches and cheat on SATs.

AA diminishes the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities. Did someone named Bush (or Clinton, or Carter) benefit, I'd say yes. What is your cure? Benefits based on the color of your skin.

BTW, how about a side bet between you and me? I say more of the folks whose kids cheated their way into a prestigious college are Democrats. Deal?

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Saw a story detailing the political donations of the indicted. Total money donated was almost exactly 50/50 to Rep./Democrat candidates and organizations.

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I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.

If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?

And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."

Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.

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Separate but equal was never equal. BTW, you'd be disqualified from a federal judgeship because of your white privilege, even though you had nothing to do with the selection of your schools.

Who bears the burden your redistribution of these educational reparations? Poor white and Asian kids whose parents can't bribe coaches and cheat on SATs.

AA diminishes the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities. Did someone named Bush (or Clinton, or Carter) benefit, I'd say yes. What is your cure? Benefits based on the color of your skin.

BTW, how about a side bet between you and me? I say more of the folks whose kids cheated their way into a prestigious college are Democrats. Deal?

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Saw a story detailing the political donations of the indicted. Total money donated was almost exactly 50/50 to Rep./Democrat candidates and organizations.

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Link, please.

This may be correct. If I'm eating crow, I want a link

The top adviser to President Trump on Tuesday called the "Desperate Housewives" and "Full House" stars "stupid" for paying people off for spots in elite universities.

"@LoriLoughlin & @FelicityHuffman indicted for lying and buying spots in college," Conway tweeted on Tuesday. "They worried their daughters are as stupid as their mothers."

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I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.

If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?

And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."

Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.

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Separate but equal was never equal. BTW, you'd be disqualified from a federal judgeship because of your white privilege, even though you had nothing to do with the selection of your schools.

Who bears the burden your redistribution of these educational reparations? Poor white and Asian kids whose parents can't bribe coaches and cheat on SATs.

AA diminishes the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities. Did someone named Bush (or Clinton, or Carter) benefit, I'd say yes. What is your cure? Benefits based on the color of your skin.

BTW, how about a side bet between you and me? I say more of the folks whose kids cheated their way into a prestigious college are Democrats. Deal?

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Saw a story detailing the political donations of the indicted. Total money donated was almost exactly 50/50 to Rep./Democrat candidates and organizations.

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Link, please.

This may be correct. If I'm eating crow, I want a link

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/political-donors-college-admissions-scandal_n_5c883861e4b0fbd7661ed2fb

Still doesn't really answer your question. It could be one big donor on one side and a bunch of smaller donors on the other. But I would guess the absence of a moral compass splits pretty equal.

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The top adviser to President Trump on Tuesday called the "Desperate Housewives" and "Full House" stars "stupid" for paying people off for spots in elite universities.

"@LoriLoughlin & @FelicityHuffman indicted for lying and buying spots in college," Conway tweeted on Tuesday. "They worried their daughters are as stupid as their mothers."

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Or as Jared Kushner?

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The top adviser to President Trump on Tuesday called the "Desperate Housewives" and "Full House" stars "stupid" for paying people off for spots in elite universities.

"@LoriLoughlin & @FelicityHuffman indicted for lying and buying spots in college," Conway tweeted on Tuesday. "They worried their daughters are as stupid as their mothers."

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Or as Jared Kushner?

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Who has national security clearance thanks to Trump.

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I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.

If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?

And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."

Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.

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Separate but equal was never equal. BTW, you'd be disqualified from a federal judgeship because of your white privilege, even though you had nothing to do with the selection of your schools.

Who bears the burden your redistribution of these educational reparations? Poor white and Asian kids whose parents can't bribe coaches and cheat on SATs.

AA diminishes the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities. Did someone named Bush (or Clinton, or Carter) benefit, I'd say yes. What is your cure? Benefits based on the color of your skin.

BTW, how about a side bet between you and me? I say more of the folks whose kids cheated their way into a prestigious college are Democrats. Deal?

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Saw a story detailing the political donations of the indicted. Total money donated was almost exactly 50/50 to Rep./Democrat candidates and organizations.

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Link, please.

This may be correct. If I'm eating crow, I want a link

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/political-donors-college-admissions-scandal_n_5c883861e4b0fbd7661ed2fb

Still doesn't really answer your question. It could be one big donor on one side and a bunch of smaller donors on the other. But I would guess the absence of a moral compass splits pretty equal.

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Thanks for the link. I'll leave the wager open.

The contributions included:

• At least $135,525 to the Democratic National Committee
• At least $131,800 to committees benefiting or controlled by then-presidential candidate and current U.S. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah)
• At least $73,600 to the Republican National Committee
• At least $30,000 to committees benefiting Gavin Newsom
• At least $25,000 to the Kamala Harris Senate Committee and the committee for her California attorney general candidacy
• At least $16,900 to committees benefiting or controlled by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.)
• $8,350 to the National Republican Campaign Committee
• $8,350 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee

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I would agree, but it is the Dems who act like they have a moral high ground that no one can match. I'd say people were morally trash well before they put a D or R beside their name.

I was born white in Waco 1947. That choice () put me at the front of the line. My black brothers and sisters in 1947? Not so much

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It doesn't. He was a two term president. Can you cast doubt on that?

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Well we have a one term president and I can cast doubt on that

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I would agree, but it is the Dems who act like they have a moral high ground that no one can match. I'd say people were morally trash well before they put a D or R beside their name.

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I disagree. Republicans think they have the moral high ground cuz abortion.

That issue excuses electing a skeeze like Trump, all of his crudeness, grade-school-style name-calling and misogyny, and his violations of national security, off-the-record conversations with Putin and weird rambling CPAC speeches.

Republicans sold themselves as the party of "family values." With "family" defined as anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-public education (so you can home-school those kids with tax dollars like Rick Santorum did).

Trump is hardly a family values kind of guy, but they've stuck with that narrative. His only "family value" is enriching his family by hiring them on the public dime and helping them gain business intelligence and global aliances to further their private business empires via security clearance. If Hillary had done the stuff Trump has done, you'd all be dead of apoplexy.

All while condemning Democrats for THEIR moral failing. Cuz abortion. Gay marriage. And mouthy women in congress.

A little humble pie would go a long way for Republicans. But given the largely older male make-up of GOP senators and congressman, I'm not holding my breath.

Jinx, you amaze me with your lack of brains and common sense, that's scary, but keep on posting, we need to read your posts so most of us realize we are blessed with both!

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Well, shame on you

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I was born white in Waco 1947. That choice () put me at the front of the line. My black brothers and sisters in 1947? Not so much

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Well, shame on you

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God what stupidity! To whom and where you are born and what year counts. Try to be mature please.

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F rich people

Disgusting

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What's crazy is this type of nepotistic behavior is common throughout government and nobody bats an eye.

Ultra wealthy leftists front run our Republic...they also front run academia.

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This is clearly not only a leftist issue. Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have their jobs due to nepotism. Kushner's entrance into Harvard came after his father donated $2.5 million. A lot of blindness on this board.

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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Not a legacy but Jared Kushner got into Harvard after daddy dropped a 2.5 million dollar donation

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvard

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I wouldn't describe the guy as an idiot (not saying you were). He was a key player in using technology and social media to promote Trump while using a smaller budget. Kushner is an east coast elite. But he took down a bunch of Democratic east coast elites with his smarts.

Add Buddha Bears comment above. Kushner kicked some butt in 2016.

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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I'd say I'm (regrettably) more impressed with Laughlin's daughter. She figured a way to completely ignore academics while being self-absorbed and yet earning high 6 figures in income as a teenager!

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.

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I grew up in Americus and graduated from AHS. Segregation was in 3rd grade for me. Yes, many local power brokers were racist. The city was one of a handful to wait to segregate until being required by the state. From 3rd grade on, my grade was about 50-50 black white.

Before you give the town a black eye to suit your agenda though it is well deserved for the 60s remember some other things that happened in and around Americus in the 70s. Jimmy Carter (9 miles away) was elected Democratic president. Koininia Farms was located outside of town and it gave birth to Habitat for Humanity founded in town.

Here's how far the school board has come. The local public schools have become abysmal. About a decade ago the school board (5 white 4 black) hired a new superintendent from out of state. He was black. He was old school. Strict rules. The black board members kept accusing the white ones of being racist (typical Democratic strategy). The superintendent had been hired by racial lines. 5 whites voted FOR him, 4 blacks against. After the next election, blacks had the majority. One of their first orders of business was to fire the black superintendent. Go figure.

The city and (Sumter) county schools merged 15 years ago or so. Most people who care about education try to send their kids to Lee County or Schley County schools.

The Mulcoa mineral plant your dad worked at is now Imerys Refactory Minerals.

Oops

Why would someone pay extra to get into UT when you could go to A&M?

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.

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I grew up in Americus and graduated from AHS. Segregation was in 3rd grade for me. Yes, many local power brokers were racist. The city was one of a handful to wait to segregate until being required by the state. From 3rd grade on, my grade was about 50-50 black white.

Before you give the town a black eye to suit your agenda though it is well deserved for the 60s remember some other things that happened in and around Americus in the 70s. Jimmy Carter (9 miles away) was elected Democratic president. Koininia Farms was located outside of town and it gave birth to Habitat for Humanity founded in town.

Here's how far the school board has come. The local public schools have become abysmal. About a decade ago the school board (5 white 4 black) hired a new superintendent from out of state. He was black. He was old school. Strict rules. The black board members kept accusing the white ones of being racist (typical Democratic strategy). The superintendent had been hired by racial lines. 5 whites voted FOR him, 4 blacks against. After the next election, blacks had the majority. One of their first orders of business was to fire the black superintendent. Go figure.

The city and (Sumter) county schools merged 15 years ago or so. Most people who care about education try to send their kids to Lee County or Schley County schools.

The Mulcoa mineral plant your dad worked at is now Imerys Refactory Minerals.

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My father worked at American Cyanamid's bauxite mine in Andersonville. I went through most of grade school in Rome, where he worked at their bauxite mine in Adairsville, before we moved to Americus.

My family moved to Denver, where my father went to work for Amoco Minerals, because he predicted that public schools would go through a lot of upheaval and wanted to spare us that. But I started eighth grade in Americus in a relatively new high school building with an 8th-grade wing. There were a couple of black kids in my classes, but full integration hadn't happened yet. The school song was Dixieland: Away down South in the land of cotton; old times there are not forgotten.

Jimmy Carter was and is a good man. But at First Methodist Church in Americus, black people came one Sunday morning to pray on the steps of the church because they weren't allowed in. Americus wasn't the worst place we lived, but it runs a close second to Martin, Tennessee, and I was fortunate to be out of high school by the time my parents moved to Carlsbad, New Mexico.

Nobody has been able to fix public schools in the South. One thing they did in my city was create several academic magnets. Those schools were outstanding; the others, outside of special programs like International Baccalaureate, not so much.

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Why would someone pay extra to get into UT when you could go to A&M?

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Because they don't want their kids to go through life as Aggies?

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I was born white in Waco 1947. That choice () put me at the front of the line. My black brothers and sisters in 1947? Not so much

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Wow! The color you were born was a choice?!?!? I didn't know it was that simple!

It's all about women and their heroin, social media...Their children could have gotten into some college no problem...but when you post your pics on FB/insta it makes your friends a lot more jelly that your kid is at welcome week at Harvard while her kids are at welcome week at UNT.

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Look, I was joking. As in "shame on you for being born white", like you had a choice. I was trying to lighten things up a little. As to maturity, I'm not taking cheap shots at you over perceived intellectual short comings. Stupid people have voices too and they are heard here often and loudly

You have quite the burden trying to correct and nag everyone who might disagree. I recommend you spend time with Dale Carnegie and a glass of wine. He can help you with your interpersonal issues and y'all have a lot of theology in common as well. The wine might help your blood pressure

I was born to middle class parents who were farmers. Dad didn't go to college. We did the best we could. We weren't ashamed of our race, nor was my Black roommate in college.

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Yeah it's far better to be an anxiety prone, pill popping manager of a spam bot .

The only school in the world with cheerleaders who look like orderlies in a mental institution and sound like the patients.

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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I'd say I'm (regrettably) more impressed with Laughlin's daughter. She figured a way to completely ignore academics while being self-absorbed and yet earning high 6 figures in income as a teenager!

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Amen. This influencer thing has me feeling old and grumpy.

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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I'd say I'm (regrettably) more impressed with Laughlin's daughter. She figured a way to completely ignore academics while being self-absorbed and yet earning high 6 figures in income as a teenager!

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Amen. This influencer thing has me feeling old and grumpy.

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Life as a walking, talking sandwich board. Her brands are leaving her like rats scuttling off a burning ship.

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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I'd say I'm (regrettably) more impressed with Laughlin's daughter. She figured a way to completely ignore academics while being self-absorbed and yet earning high 6 figures in income as a teenager!

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Amen. This influencer thing has me feeling old and grumpy.

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Life as a walking, talking sandwich board. Her brands are leaving her like rats scuttling off a burning ship.

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LOL

Part of WSJ editorial

A recent lawsuit against Harvard has revealed that admissions criteria exist inside a proprietary black box that no outsider is allowed to see. The days when college admissions was largely a merit-based system disappeared long ago. Now merit merely gets your foot inside an admissions labyrinth with passages marked race, gender, geography, legacy, athletics, sexual identity, trustee relationships, social-justice work and so forth.
The political left is predictably spinning this case as proof that college opportunity is rigged and that racial preferences are necessary to help applicants who can't pay their way into schools. It's true that many parents shell out thousands of dollars for an SAT tutor or summer trips to build houses in Guatemala. This adds to the perception that elite admission can be bought even without committing crimes.
Yet plenty of the competition in admissions is fueled by pitting applicants against each other based on race and not on the quality of test scores or thinking skills. It isn't enough to be intelligent or creative, but to stand out students now have to be a world-class fencer or have started a charity that does clean-water microfinance in Africa. Talented high-school students marinate in a pressure cooker of activities and achievements that does little to stimulate intellectual development.
Progressives will also use the episode to claim that standardized tests can no longer be trusted. The SAT isn't a perfect test but is perhaps the last semi-objective measure of student aptitude. High schools have inflated grades to the point of meaninglessness.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-college-admissions-racket-11552519849

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Part of WSJ editorial

A recent lawsuit against Harvard has revealed that admissions criteria exist inside a proprietary black box that no outsider is allowed to see. The days when college admissions was largely a merit-based system disappeared long ago. Now merit merely gets your foot inside an admissions labyrinth with passages marked race, gender, geography, legacy, athletics, sexual identity, trustee relationships, social-justice work and so forth.
The political left is predictably spinning this case as proof that college opportunity is rigged and that racial preferences are necessary to help applicants who can't pay their way into schools. It's true that many parents shell out thousands of dollars for an SAT tutor or summer trips to build houses in Guatemala. This adds to the perception that elite admission can be bought even without committing crimes.
Yet plenty of the competition in admissions is fueled by pitting applicants against each other based on race and not on the quality of test scores or thinking skills. It isn't enough to be intelligent or creative, but to stand out students now have to be a world-class fencer or have started a charity that does clean-water microfinance in Africa. Talented high-school students marinate in a pressure cooker of activities and achievements that does little to stimulate intellectual development.
Progressives will also use the episode to claim that standardized tests can no longer be trusted. The SAT isn't a perfect test but is perhaps the last semi-objective measure of student aptitude. High schools have inflated grades to the point of meaninglessness.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-college-admissions-racket-11552519849

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Predictably,the editorial emphasizes only one side of the problem. In other words, "yes, heavy reliance on standardized test scoring is unfair to disadvantaged teens (of any race) but lets do it anyway because not relying on the tests is unfair to advantaged teens."

A couple of points. First, the hysteria on both sides is a little overdone. The biggest academic predictor of your success is the quality of your terminal degree. For instance, Baylor is not an elite academic institution on par with Harvard, Stanford, etc. But plenty of Baylor grads go on to Harvard, Stanford, etc.for grad schools. If you are really smart and don't get into the college of choice, bust your ass where you do go and you will wind up in the same place.

Second, for better or worse, online is changing and will keep changing the college experience. In 10-15 years, technology may mean that the student population limits that drive "elitism" in schools will be substantially less rigid.

Third, let the market work. If elite schools admit less qualified and driven people, eventually they will become less elite.

My solution is that standardized test scores should be reported in ranges, but there should be no exceptions. If Harvard thinks that someone who scores a 1450 on the SAT can succeed at their school if they work hard, then the standardized test score portion of the admission package is not the score; it is a yes/no answer. Did they applicant score above a 1450? If yes, it doesn't matter if it the score is a 1450 or a 1600. If no, they are not getting in.

Under that scenario, if Harvard sets the score artificially low to serve its leftist agenda of subjugating the white man, it won't be Harvard before too long. If Harvard sets the admission bar high enough, there will not be any suspicion that minority students are there based on a gift. Everyone will still know that if you got admitted to Harvard, you are really smart.

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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I'd say I'm (regrettably) more impressed with Laughlin's daughter. She figured a way to completely ignore academics while being self-absorbed and yet earning high 6 figures in income as a teenager!

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When the story broke Laughlin's daughter was cruising the Bahamas on spring break on the Invictus. USC's official yacht. https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lori-loughlins-daughter-was-in-usc-officials-yacht-when-mother-was-charged

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Jinx 2 said:

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Malbec said:

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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I'd say I'm (regrettably) more impressed with Laughlin's daughter. She figured a way to completely ignore academics while being self-absorbed and yet earning high 6 figures in income as a teenager!

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When the story broke Laughlin's daughter was cruising the Bahamas on spring break on the Invictus. USC's official yacht. https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lori-loughlins-daughter-was-in-usc-officials-yacht-when-mother-was-charged

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Probably vigorously Instagramming for her brands using USC's brand as a platform. This is a real embarrassment for USC.