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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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But they're black, so of course the only reason they were admitted was Affirmative Action, according to Odocen.

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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But they're black, so of course the only reason they were admitted was Affirmative Action, according to Odocen.

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Definitely

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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Of course I don't because he wouldn't release them. I suspect he was AA, but I don't know.

AA casts doubt on his accomplishments

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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But they're black, so of course the only reason they were admitted was Affirmative Action, according to Odocen.

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Exactly right. AA casts doubt on the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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Of course I don't because he wouldn't release them. I suspect he was AA, but I don't know.

AA casts doubt on his accomplishments

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It doesn't. He was a two term president. Can you cast doubt on that?

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Osodecentx said:

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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Of course I don't because he wouldn't release them. I suspect he was AA, but I don't know.

AA casts doubt on his accomplishments

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It doesn't. He was a two term president. Can you cast doubt on that?

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No, being reelected is an accomplishment. Being a minority law student at an Ivy makes one wonder because of AA

Osodecentx said:

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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Of course I don't because he wouldn't release them. I suspect he was AA, but I don't know.

AA casts doubt on his accomplishments

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Obama was the first black elected to head the Harvard Law Review. That wasn't affirmative action, but it made the news.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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But they're black, so of course the only reason they were admitted was Affirmative Action, according to Odocen.

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Exactly right. AA casts doubt on the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities

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Sure it does. But the point of the story is that being a rich white kid casts doubt on their accomplishments.

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Osodecentx said:

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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But they're black, so of course the only reason they were admitted was Affirmative Action, according to Odocen.

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Exactly right. AA casts doubt on the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities

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Sure it does. But the point of the story is that being a rich white kid casts doubt on their accomplishments.

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Yes it does, and with justification

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Osodecentx said:

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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Of course I don't because he wouldn't release them. I suspect he was AA, but I don't know.

AA casts doubt on his accomplishments

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Obama was the first black elected to head the Harvard Law Review. That wasn't affirmative action, but it made the news.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

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Thanks for the link. It appears to be an election without regard to grades. It appears Mr. Obama won an election and may not haver been selected on the basis of grades, which of course, were never released

Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.
That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
Harvard, like a number of other top law schools, no longer ranks its law students for any purpose including a guide to recruiters.

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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But they're black, so of course the only reason they were admitted was Affirmative Action, according to Odocen.

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Exactly right. AA casts doubt on the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities

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Sure it does. But the point of the story is that being a rich white kid casts doubt on their accomplishments.

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The fact that mom and dad bribed somebody to get you in definitely casts doubt on your accomplishments. I wonder how many of these kids knew what was happening, and what will happen to them. Will they be expelled? If they've performed decently and didn't know about the fraud, will they be allowed to stay? If they knew and were complicit, can THEY be charged? What their parents did may have really hurt them, especially if the kids were complicit.

Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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tommie said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Alfred Anchorsen said:

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So a lot of Rich people have lazy dumb ass kids?

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Affirmative Action for rich dumb people. Who can criticize this?

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They used to be called legacy admissions. Bush43 benefited from that system.

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So, we agree. Affirmative action. Obama? Michelle? It's all ok. Why not rich Democrats?

Should Obama kids be denied legacy omission?

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You don't know any of their grades.

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But they're black, so of course the only reason they were admitted was Affirmative Action, according to Odocen.

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Exactly right. AA casts doubt on the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities

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Sure it does. But the point of the story is that being a rich white kid casts doubt on their accomplishments.

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The fact that mom and dad bribed somebody to get you in definitely casts doubt on your accomplishments. I wonder how many of these kids knew what was happening, and what will happen to them. Will they be expelled? If they've performed decently and didn't know about the fraud, will they be allowed to stay? If they knew and were complicit, can THEY be charged? What their parents did may have really hurt them, especially if the kids were complicit.

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I am wondering some of the same things. If the kids were admitted by fraud, will they be allowed to stay if they are doing the work (passing)?
Since most of these schools believe in AA, maybe the schools will find that incompetent rich brats are a protected class

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What's the use of having big bucks if you can't pony up 400k for the Harvard soccer coach ?

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Pay that to Harvard in the form of a contribution, and maybe your kid gets in. Bribing the soccer coach to lie that your kid plays soccer when her foot has never touched a soccer ball? Not sure how that's illegal, but the coach should be fired.

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Why fire an under paid soccer coach for merely supplementing her income with some entrepreneurial activities ?

Was a win/win.

Can Joe withstand the vile beliefs of decades ago? Has he apologized enough?

Biden Opposed Quotas in 1975and He Was Right
As a first-term senator, he said it was 'racist' to think black kids couldn't learn without white kids around.

Now it's Mr. Biden's turn to be put through the same ideological wringer. Last week the Washington Post rehashed his forceful denunciations of compulsory school busing as a first-term senator from Delaware in the 1970s. "The new integration plans being offered are really just quota systems to assure a certain number of blacks, Chicanos or whatever in each school," he told a newspaper in 1975. "What it says is, 'In order for your child with curly black hair, brown eyes, and dark skin to be able to learn anything, he needs to sit next to my blond-haired, blue-eyed son.' That's racist! Who the hell do we think we are, that the only way a black man or woman can learn is if they rub shoulders with my white child?"

The Post speculates that these past statements could hurt a Biden candidacy among blacks in general and social activists in particular, but through a spokesman Mr. Biden told the paper that he still believes he was right to oppose busing and stands by the comments. And why not? Black peoplethe supposed beneficiaries of busingalso opposed it. Yes, civil-rights groups like the NAACP and other elites pushed these schemes on the poorwhile sending their own kids to private schoolsbut a majority of blacks consistently objected to a policy that used their children like guinea pigs in a lab experiment to achieve more racial parity. Besides, assigning children to schools by their race caused all manner of unnecessary racial strife, including violent protests in places like Boston.

Given the recent chatter among Democrats about slavery reparations, it's worth noting that Mr. Biden's comments in 1975 went well beyond school integration. "I do not buy the concept, popular in the '60s, which said, 'We have suppressed the black man for 300 years and the white man is now far ahead in the race for everything our society offers. In order to even the score, we must now give the black man a head start, or even hold the white man back, to even the race,' " he said. "I don't feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather. I feel responsible for what the situation is today, for the sins of my own generation. And I'll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-opposed-quotas-in-1975and-he-was-right-11552430539

From LA Times:

The case names celebrities, corporate executives, investment bankers, business owners, top-tier lawyers, and even a best-selling author of parenting books. They sought Singer out from different parts of the country, but with one overriding goal: To get their children into the best colleges.

Andrew E. Lelling, the U.S. attorney in Massachusetts, called the defendants "a catalog of wealth and privilege."

In phone conversations with parents secretly recorded by agents, Singer boasted he had helped more than 850 students of the wealthy and powerful to lie their way into colleges in just two years. Lelling said that in some of the cases known to investigators the children were aware of the con carried out on their behalf, but that others were kept in the dark by their parents.

This was a case, said Joseph R. Bonavolonta, special agent in charge of the FBI in Boston, in which parents "flaunted their wealth, sparing no expense, to cheat the system so they could set their children up for success with the best education money could buy, literally."

no arby's in new haven.

no arby's in palo alto.

not surprising.

- KKM

Let me get this straight
They were faking documents so their children could have a better life? Hmmmm

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Let me get this straight
They were faking documents so their children could have a better life? Hmmmm

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"They only want the land next to theirs"

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From LA Times:

The case names celebrities, corporate executives, investment bankers, business owners, top-tier lawyers, and even a best-selling author of parenting books. They sought Singer out from different parts of the country, but with one overriding goal: To get their children into the best colleges.

Andrew E. Lelling, the U.S. attorney in Massachusetts, called the defendants "a catalog of wealth and privilege."

In phone conversations with parents secretly recorded by agents, Singer boasted he had helped more than 850 students of the wealthy and powerful to lie their way into colleges in just two years. Lelling said that in some of the cases known to investigators the children were aware of the con carried out on their behalf, but that others were kept in the dark by their parents.

This was a case, said Joseph R. Bonavolonta, special agent in charge of the FBI in Boston, in which parents "flaunted their wealth, sparing no expense, to cheat the system so they could set their children up for success with the best education money could buy, literally."

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Wealth and Privilege........they say it likes it's a bad thing .

' so they could set their children up for success with the best education money could buy '

Always go with your strength.

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Canada2017 said:

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What's the use of having big bucks if you can't pony up 400k for the Harvard soccer coach ?

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Pay that to Harvard in the form of a contribution, and maybe your kid gets in. Bribing the soccer coach to lie that your kid plays soccer when her foot has never touched a soccer ball? Not sure how that's illegal, but the coach should be fired.

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Why fire an under paid soccer coach for merely supplementing her income with some entrepreneurial activities ?

Was a win/win.

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She sold something that wasn't hers to sell.

You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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It doesn't sound like the parents thought much at all about the long-term consequences of submitting false test scores and lying about athletic participation to get their kid into an elite school. And some are hot-shot attorneys at big law firms. Wonder what the conversation their partners have with them is going to be like--especially partners who didn't cheat and whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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What's the use of having big bucks if you can't pony up 400k for the Harvard soccer coach ?

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Pay that to Harvard in the form of a contribution, and maybe your kid gets in. Bribing the soccer coach to lie that your kid plays soccer when her foot has never touched a soccer ball? Not sure how that's illegal, but the coach should be fired.

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Why fire an under paid soccer coach for merely supplementing her income with some entrepreneurial activities ?

Was a win/win.

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She sold something that wasn't hers to sell.

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She certainly thought so.

Give your money to the 'building fund' , for an endowment or to the athletic department.

It's all the same game.

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Jinx 2 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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What's the use of having big bucks if you can't pony up 400k for the Harvard soccer coach ?

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Pay that to Harvard in the form of a contribution, and maybe your kid gets in. Bribing the soccer coach to lie that your kid plays soccer when her foot has never touched a soccer ball? Not sure how that's illegal, but the coach should be fired.

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Why fire an under paid soccer coach for merely supplementing her income with some entrepreneurial activities ?

Was a win/win.

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She sold something that wasn't hers to sell.

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True dat

To compound the crime, the parents got tax deductions for the amount of the bribes. Bribes were in form of donations to a nonprofit foundation.

That sounds like tax fraud (unless one of the parents is Rev Al Sharpton)

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

Canada2017 said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Malbec said:

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Canada2017 said:

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Malbec said:

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently?

Try nearly 60 years ago!

Anyone making that claim today is defaulting to victimhood for nefarious reasons.

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Canada2017 said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Malbec said:

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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Jinx 2 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Malbec said:

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Malbec said:

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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Well just appoint yourself judge and jury.

Otherwise that's why there are entrance exams .

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Canada2017 said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Malbec said:

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.

If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?

And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."

Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.

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You want to buy your child's way into a college, go ahead. That makes you one thing. But, to turn your child into a walking, talking fraud is something entirely different. You may think you are somehow shielding your child from complicity in your fraud by not telling him/her/it how you managed to get them in, but someday, if your child actually grows up and wants to do something important, and the microscope gets focused on how they got there, well...

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whose kids didn't get into their top-choice schools.

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Yeah there is nothing worse than some kid getting 'special ' treatment whether due to money or skin color .

And a better qualified kid getting screwed over.

Or are you just more selective about what's right and wrong

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White people got better treatment in this country than black people, Hispanics, native americans and other non-Euro foreigners (Chinese, East Indians) until very recently. Was that right?

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Very recently ?

How many decades ago was AA begun ?

Everything should be based on merit.....now....today.

Neither money nor skin color should be a factor .

To abhor one....yet demand the other ....is hypocrisy at its highest .

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So the kid who goes to the best schools; has great parents and all the advantages; gets every bit of test prep possible; has savvy enough folks to get him labeled as a "different learner" and has accommodations on the test scores a 1250 on the important sections of the SAT.

Ghetto child takes the test without test prep, sleepy because her McDonald's shift ended at 1:00 am the night before. No one in her family has ever been to college and she attended failing schools her whole life. She scores a 1200 on the important sections of the SAT.

Which is more impressive?

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Well just appoint yourself judge and jury.

Otherwise that's why there are entrance exams .

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No, that is why there are admission officers and admission committees. Scores should mean something; GPA should mean something; other talents should mean something and circumstances should mean something.

You have hired plenty of people in your life, I bet. You want the hardest worker or the the highest GPA?

Why can't schools make the same sort of decisions? Not saying that schools don't or won't go too far the other way, but relying on some GPA/test score matrix with no other context is wrong.

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I grew up in segregated schools. The black schools in Georgia were seaprate, but they weren't equal. They got our castoff textbooks, desks, lab equipment, etc. When the schools in Americus, GA, integrated in 1970--16 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided, the county effective abandoned the public schools. Because white people didn't want to invest in educating black people.

If you don't like affirmative action as a solution for the consequences of systematic discrimination that sharply curtailed opportunities to get a good education, get a good job (black men leaving the army after WWII were encouraged to consider janitorial positions because the GI bill was useless when colleges didn't admit blacks), buy a house, get a loan, get credit etc.--what's a good solution?

And who says the students of color admitted to schools like Harvard and Yale are only there because they're black? The school gets to judge what they bring to the table--including if it's a big fat contribution from a Dad like Jared's or the last name "Bush."

Affirmative action exists in lots of forms. It's hypocritical of YOU to choose legacy admissions and big contributions over other types. Bottom line: We don't live in a meritocracy. And that was OK with most white people until some of them were penalized rather than people of color.

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Separate but equal was never equal. BTW, you'd be disqualified from a federal judgeship because of your white privilege, even though you had nothing to do with the selection of your schools.

Who bears the burden your redistribution of these educational reparations? Poor white and Asian kids whose parents can't bribe coaches and cheat on SATs.

AA diminishes the accomplishments of smart, competent minorities. Did someone named Bush (or Clinton, or Carter) benefit, I'd say yes. What is your cure? Benefits based on the color of your skin.

BTW, how about a side bet between you and me? I say more of the folks whose kids cheated their way into a prestigious college are Democrats. Deal?