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going by those criteria and the condition of the sitting president, they should be shoe-ins in the next election then

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going by those criteria and the condition of the sitting president, they should be shoe-ins in the next election then

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So you're an unemployed laid off government worker refusing to work in private sector because, as a Socialist or Communist, you hate true capitalism?

Is that why you hate Trump and love your demoncrats?

You present yourself as needing treatment for TDS!

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Well I'm sure impressed .

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You should be

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Well I'm sure impressed .

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Certainly

That's why I dont bother creating thread after thread and post after post attempting to mock atheists.

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going by those criteria and the condition of the sitting president, they should be shoe-ins in the next election then

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So you're an unemployed laid off government worker refusing to work in private sector because, as a Socialist or Communist, you hate true capitalism?

Is that why you hate Trump and love your demoncrats?

You present yourself as needing treatment for TDS!

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sorry to burst your bubble Mike, but i'm a gainfully employed private sector worker, sorry if you're such a Snowflake that pointing out some facts about Trump hurts your feelings so badly

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going by those criteria and the condition of the sitting president, they should be shoe-ins in the next election then

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So you're an unemployed laid off government worker refusing to work in private sector because, as a Socialist or Communist, you hate true capitalism?

Is that why you hate Trump and love your demoncrats?

You present yourself as needing treatment for TDS!

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sorry to burst your bubble Mike, but i'm a gainfully employed private sector worker, sorry if you're such a Snowflake that pointing out some facts about Trump hurts your feelings so badly

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Snowflake, you lefties are hilarious;-)))))

Yeah sure, you know Trump extremely well don't ya?

Your "facts" are nothing but "your facts"

And you may have secure employment in private sector because the economy is better than its ever been, but why credit Trump's deregulations and tax cuts for being secure economically and in job

Friggin clueless and ungrateful

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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I don't think so. The Big Bang is well documented. How it came about is where hypothetical considerations come into play.

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Sorry, but how is it well documented?

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Start with published research on particle physicis, the cosmic microwave background, the instability of the vacuum of space, and expansion of the universe.

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going by those criteria and the condition of the sitting president, they should be shoe-ins in the next election then

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So you're an unemployed laid off government worker refusing to work in private sector because, as a Socialist or Communist, you hate true capitalism?

Is that why you hate Trump and love your demoncrats?

You present yourself as needing treatment for TDS!

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sorry to burst your bubble Mike, but i'm a gainfully employed private sector worker, sorry if you're such a Snowflake that pointing out some facts about Trump hurts your feelings so badly

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Snowflake, you lefties are hilarious;-)))))

Yeah sure, you know Trump extremely well don't ya?

Your "facts" are nothing but "your facts"

And you may have secure employment in private sector because the economy is better than its ever been, but why credit Trump's deregulations and tax cuts for being secure economically and in job

Friggin clueless and ungrateful

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you seem to have forgotten, again, that I'm not American and dont live in the USA, but dont let that stop your "logic"

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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Wow, what a definitive claim! Certainly not a scientific one, though.

Love to hear how.

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Neither of the Genesis creation accounts conform with the Big Bang, nor the current state of the Universe.

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Two questions: How so?
And,
Does it have to?

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The heavens and the earth didn't exist in the beginning. The rest of the story is also false.

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In the beginning.... of what?

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And furthermore, if there was no Creator, then where did matter come from?

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Quantum fluctuations in empty space.

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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I don't think so. The Big Bang is well documented. How it came about is where hypothetical considerations come into play.

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In your self proclaimed intelligence abounds massive Idiocracy

And you will probably never have a clue what that means either

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I don't self proclaim intelligence. Show me where I have.

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TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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Wow, what a definitive claim! Certainly not a scientific one, though.

Love to hear how.

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Neither of the Genesis creation accounts conform with the Big Bang, nor the current state of the Universe.

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Two questions: How so?
And,
Does it have to?

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The heavens and the earth didn't exist in the beginning. The rest of the story is also false.

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In the beginning.... of what?

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The Universe.

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

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Dude I studied Hawking before you left diapers I bet

Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

Are you presently that many light years away from me to verify the speed of what you're on and it's distance from origin spot to verify all the math is right?

Do you know what created the "matter" that "Banged?"

Your "reality" can't be proven but you're so myopic you have no clue why it can't!

You're smart but lack foresight like most booksmart people that lack creative thinking skills

You might even be a 4.0 type but just could never make it in real world because you just can't think outside box

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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Wow, what a definitive claim! Certainly not a scientific one, though.

Love to hear how.

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Neither of the Genesis creation accounts conform with the Big Bang, nor the current state of the Universe.

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Two questions: How so?
And,
Does it have to?

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The heavens and the earth didn't exist in the beginning. The rest of the story is also false.

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In the beginning.... of what?

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And furthermore, if there was no Creator, then where did matter come from?

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In TS mind, that HE considers genius, is a severe black hole that disallows comprehension of your question

To be very kind, that is no genius, nope

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At one point in my life, I believed just the same as you. However an objective review of the evidence of reality, rational thought, the physical laws of nature, physics, and science in general does not support continued belief in the attempted understandings of the world by primitive people.

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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Wow, what a definitive claim! Certainly not a scientific one, though.

Love to hear how.

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Neither of the Genesis creation accounts conform with the Big Bang, nor the current state of the Universe.

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Two questions: How so?
And,
Does it have to?

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The heavens and the earth didn't exist in the beginning. The rest of the story is also false.

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In the beginning.... of what?

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And furthermore, if there was no Creator, then where did matter come from?

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In TS mind, that HE considers genius, is a severe black hole that disallows comprehension of your question

To be very kind, that is no genius, nope

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At one point in my life, I believed just the same as you. However an objective review of the evidence of reality, rational thought, the physical laws of nature, physics, and science in general does not support continued belief in the attempted understandings of the world by primitive people.

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Dude I've gone from where you said I am, to where you are to realization there's no way they know all that by doing the math of it all

With all due respect to Hawking, he's not God nor did he have a clue who God is much like most all atheist people that egotistically considers themselves what we call "scientists!"

Munbo jumbo bs is all you're about

Can't see forest for the trees

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

Wow, what a definitive claim! Certainly not a scientific one, though.

Love to hear how.

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Neither of the Genesis creation accounts conform with the Big Bang, nor the current state of the Universe.

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Two questions: How so?
And,
Does it have to?

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The heavens and the earth didn't exist in the beginning. The rest of the story is also false.

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In the beginning.... of what?

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And furthermore, if there was no Creator, then where did matter come from?

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In TS mind, that HE considers genius, is a severe black hole that disallows comprehension of your question

To be very kind, that is no genius, nope

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At one point in my life, I believed just the same as you. However an objective review of the evidence of reality, rational thought, the physical laws of nature, physics, and science in general does not support continued belief in the attempted understandings of the world by primitive people.

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Dude I've gone from where you said I am, to where you are to realization there's no way they know all that by doing the math of it all

With all due respect to Hawking, he's not God nor did he have a clue who God is much like most all atheist people that egotistically considers themselves what we call "scientists!"

Munbo jumbo bs is all you're about

Can't see forest for the trees

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I believe in the objective evidence and facts of reality. Mystical beliefs and religious indoctrination are far more related to mubo jumbo and bs. There is more to seeing the forest and the trees. There is the science and understanding of how they got there.

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TexasScientist said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

Wow, what a definitive claim! Certainly not a scientific one, though.

Love to hear how.

---

Neither of the Genesis creation accounts conform with the Big Bang, nor the current state of the Universe.

---

Two questions: How so?
And,
Does it have to?

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The heavens and the earth didn't exist in the beginning. The rest of the story is also false.

---

In the beginning.... of what?

---

And furthermore, if there was no Creator, then where did matter come from?

---

In TS mind, that HE considers genius, is a severe black hole that disallows comprehension of your question

To be very kind, that is no genius, nope

---

At one point in my life, I believed just the same as you. However an objective review of the evidence of reality, rational thought, the physical laws of nature, physics, and science in general does not support continued belief in the attempted understandings of the world by primitive people.

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Dude I've gone from where you said I am, to where you are to realization there's no way they know all that by doing the math of it all

With all due respect to Hawking, he's not God nor did he have a clue who God is much like most all atheist people that egotistically considers themselves what we call "scientists!"

Munbo jumbo bs is all you're about

Can't see forest for the trees

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I believe in the objective evidence and facts of reality. Mystical beliefs and religious indoctrination are far more related to mubo jumbo and bs. There is more to seeing the forest and the trees. There is the science and understanding of how they got there.

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^^^ Doesn't know what he doesn't know

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Johnny Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

Wow, what a definitive claim! Certainly not a scientific one, though.

Love to hear how.

---

Neither of the Genesis creation accounts conform with the Big Bang, nor the current state of the Universe.

---

Two questions: How so?
And,
Does it have to?

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The heavens and the earth didn't exist in the beginning. The rest of the story is also false.

---

In the beginning.... of what?

---

And furthermore, if there was no Creator, then where did matter come from?

---

In TS mind, that HE considers genius, is a severe black hole that disallows comprehension of your question

To be very kind, that is no genius, nope

---

At one point in my life, I believed just the same as you. However an objective review of the evidence of reality, rational thought, the physical laws of nature, physics, and science in general does not support continued belief in the attempted understandings of the world by primitive people.

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Strange how you need to bolster yourself and belittle others all in the same comment .

Guessing you have obtained enough success and happiness in your life to where this isn't necessary.

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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I don't think so. The Big Bang is well documented. How it came about is where hypothetical considerations come into play.

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Sorry, but how is it well documented?

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Start with published research on particle physicis, the cosmic microwave background, the instability of the vacuum of space, and expansion of the universe.

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But aren't those just theories? I'm not saying that I don't believe in the Big Bang...albeit I find it highly suspicious. After all, they are just speculating.

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

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Dude I studied Hawking before you left diapers I bet

Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

Are you presently that many light years away from me to verify the speed of what you're on and it's distance from origin spot to verify all the math is right?

Do you know what created the "matter" that "Banged?"

Your "reality" can't be proven but you're so myopic you have no clue why it can't!

You're smart but lack foresight like most booksmart people that lack creative thinking skills

You might even be a 4.0 type but just could never make it in real world because you just can't think outside box

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Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

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Think about what you are saying. I can return your words right back to you: "Were you there - 2,000 - years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how - religion - can never be wrong making claims that can't be proven."

My views are based upon scientific measurements and theory. Yours are based upon unverified physically improbable tales of an Iron Age people, who were trying to find meaning, purpose and order in a world of competing religions and a world full of ignorance with a huge disconnect from reality. I'll take critical thinking skills over the "creative thinking" skills it takes for someone to believe that the laws of nature are suspended to accommodate extraordinary beliefs without any objective evidence.

TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

---

At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

---

Big Bang?

---

Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

Wow, what a definitive claim! Certainly not a scientific one, though.

Love to hear how.

---

Neither of the Genesis creation accounts conform with the Big Bang, nor the current state of the Universe.

---

Two questions: How so?
And,
Does it have to?

---

The heavens and the earth didn't exist in the beginning. The rest of the story is also false.

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In the beginning.... of what?

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The Universe.

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Does "in the beginning" mean at the moment the universe came into being?

And by the way, the Big Bang says there was a beginning to the universe. The Big Bang confirms the truth of the very first verse of the Bible!!

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

---

At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

---

Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

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Dude I studied Hawking before you left diapers I bet

Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

Are you presently that many light years away from me to verify the speed of what you're on and it's distance from origin spot to verify all the math is right?

Do you know what created the "matter" that "Banged?"

Your "reality" can't be proven but you're so myopic you have no clue why it can't!

You're smart but lack foresight like most booksmart people that lack creative thinking skills

You might even be a 4.0 type but just could never make it in real world because you just can't think outside box

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Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

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Think about what you are saying. I can return your words right back to you: "Were you there - 2,000 - years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how - religion - can never be wrong making claims that can't be proven."

My views are based upon scientific measurements and theory. Yours are based upon unverified physically improbable tales of an Iron Age people, who were trying to find meaning, purpose and order in a world of competing religions and a world full of ignorance with a huge disconnect from reality. I'll take critical thinking skills over the "creative thinking" skills it takes for someone to believe that the laws of nature are suspended to accommodate extraordinary beliefs without any objective evidence.

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The "truth" lies in the intersection of science and religion

Instead of teaming to find this "truth," science and religion choose to stay enemies

Unfortunate as I consider them siblings of God that he's given us to get closer to his "truth"

That's what my searching has come to, at least now

God allows us to know only so much and go only so far

Maybe someday it will shown to us to be as simple as night and day

TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

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Dude I studied Hawking before you left diapers I bet

Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

Are you presently that many light years away from me to verify the speed of what you're on and it's distance from origin spot to verify all the math is right?

Do you know what created the "matter" that "Banged?"

Your "reality" can't be proven but you're so myopic you have no clue why it can't!

You're smart but lack foresight like most booksmart people that lack creative thinking skills

You might even be a 4.0 type but just could never make it in real world because you just can't think outside box

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Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

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Think about what you are saying. I can return your words right back to you: "Were you there - 2,000 - years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how - religion - can never be wrong making claims that can't be proven."

My views are based upon scientific measurements and theory. Yours are based upon unverified physically improbable tales of an Iron Age people, who were trying to find meaning, purpose and order in a world of competing religions and a world full of ignorance with a huge disconnect from reality. I'll take critical thinking skills over the "creative thinking" skills it takes for someone to believe that the laws of nature are suspended to accommodate extraordinary beliefs without any objective evidence.

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No, none of us were there 2000 years ago.... but other people were, and saw with their own eyes.

And we have their written testimonies today. Testimony of Jesus, who was raised from the dead.

Christianity is based on history.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

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At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

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You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

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You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

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Dude I studied Hawking before you left diapers I bet

Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

Are you presently that many light years away from me to verify the speed of what you're on and it's distance from origin spot to verify all the math is right?

Do you know what created the "matter" that "Banged?"

Your "reality" can't be proven but you're so myopic you have no clue why it can't!

You're smart but lack foresight like most booksmart people that lack creative thinking skills

You might even be a 4.0 type but just could never make it in real world because you just can't think outside box

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Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

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Think about what you are saying. I can return your words right back to you: "Were you there - 2,000 - years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how - religion - can never be wrong making claims that can't be proven."

My views are based upon scientific measurements and theory. Yours are based upon unverified physically improbable tales of an Iron Age people, who were trying to find meaning, purpose and order in a world of competing religions and a world full of ignorance with a huge disconnect from reality. I'll take critical thinking skills over the "creative thinking" skills it takes for someone to believe that the laws of nature are suspended to accommodate extraordinary beliefs without any objective evidence.

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No, none of us were there 2000 years ago.... but other people were, and saw with their own eyes.

And we have their written testimonies today. Testimony of Jesus, who was raised from the dead.

Christianity is based on history.

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Actually, you don't have eyewitness testimony. You only have versions of oral stories written down by scribes years later after contemporaries were long dead, that were altered, added to, and changed over time - all written by individuals with particular religious views and agendas to promote. There is no way to know what Jesus actually said or did. All we really know is that he was likely an apocalypitic humanitarian preacher who got himself crucified. That's about all you can say with reasonable certainty.

Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

---

At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

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Big Bang?

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Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

---

You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

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Dude I studied Hawking before you left diapers I bet

Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

Are you presently that many light years away from me to verify the speed of what you're on and it's distance from origin spot to verify all the math is right?

Do you know what created the "matter" that "Banged?"

Your "reality" can't be proven but you're so myopic you have no clue why it can't!

You're smart but lack foresight like most booksmart people that lack creative thinking skills

You might even be a 4.0 type but just could never make it in real world because you just can't think outside box

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Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

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Think about what you are saying. I can return your words right back to you: "Were you there - 2,000 - years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how - religion - can never be wrong making claims that can't be proven."

My views are based upon scientific measurements and theory. Yours are based upon unverified physically improbable tales of an Iron Age people, who were trying to find meaning, purpose and order in a world of competing religions and a world full of ignorance with a huge disconnect from reality. I'll take critical thinking skills over the "creative thinking" skills it takes for someone to believe that the laws of nature are suspended to accommodate extraordinary beliefs without any objective evidence.

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The "truth" lies in the intersection of science and religion

Instead of teaming to find this "truth," science and religion choose to stay enemies

Unfortunate as I consider them siblings of God that he's given us to get closer to his "truth"

That's what my searching has come to, at least now

God allows us to know only so much and go only so far

Maybe someday it will shown to us to be as simple as night and day

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TS, I'm curious how you'd respond to above???

TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

---

At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

---

Big Bang?

---

Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

---

You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

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Dude I studied Hawking before you left diapers I bet

Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

Are you presently that many light years away from me to verify the speed of what you're on and it's distance from origin spot to verify all the math is right?

Do you know what created the "matter" that "Banged?"

Your "reality" can't be proven but you're so myopic you have no clue why it can't!

You're smart but lack foresight like most booksmart people that lack creative thinking skills

You might even be a 4.0 type but just could never make it in real world because you just can't think outside box

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Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

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Think about what you are saying. I can return your words right back to you: "Were you there - 2,000 - years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how - religion - can never be wrong making claims that can't be proven."

My views are based upon scientific measurements and theory. Yours are based upon unverified physically improbable tales of an Iron Age people, who were trying to find meaning, purpose and order in a world of competing religions and a world full of ignorance with a huge disconnect from reality. I'll take critical thinking skills over the "creative thinking" skills it takes for someone to believe that the laws of nature are suspended to accommodate extraordinary beliefs without any objective evidence.

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No, none of us were there 2000 years ago.... but other people were, and saw with their own eyes.

And we have their written testimonies today. Testimony of Jesus, who was raised from the dead.

Christianity is based on history.

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Actually, you don't have eyewitness testimony. You only have versions of oral stories written down by scribes years later after contemporaries were long dead, that were altered, added to, and changed over time - all written by individuals with particular religious views and agendas to promote. There is no way to know what Jesus actually said or did. All we really know is that he was likely an apocalypitic humanitarian preacher who got himself crucified. That's about all you can say with reasonable certainty.

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Incorrect.

Florda_mike said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harris is so obviously trying to straddle the political fence on this issue.

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TS might be just a little more intelligent than Waco

Not much, but just a tad bit more

Tight race though

---

At least I'm intelligent enough to not believe in primitive myths.

---

Big Bang?

---

Good point. The Big Bang certainly refutes the Genesis myths.

---

You contradicted yourself by above statement to a lot of us

Big Bang is hypothetical and considered "myth" by many here

---

You need to do some research. There is more than enough evidence to establish the Big Bang. Reality and the Universe are indifferent to your beliefs.

---

Dude I studied Hawking before you left diapers I bet

Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

Are you presently that many light years away from me to verify the speed of what you're on and it's distance from origin spot to verify all the math is right?

Do you know what created the "matter" that "Banged?"

Your "reality" can't be proven but you're so myopic you have no clue why it can't!

You're smart but lack foresight like most booksmart people that lack creative thinking skills

You might even be a 4.0 type but just could never make it in real world because you just can't think outside box

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Were you there 14,000,000,000 years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how science can never be wrong is making claims that can't be proven

---

Think about what you are saying. I can return your words right back to you: "Were you there - 2,000 - years ago to verify all this? Seriously? This is how - religion - can never be wrong making claims that can't be proven."

My views are based upon scientific measurements and theory. Yours are based upon unverified physically improbable tales of an Iron Age people, who were trying to find meaning, purpose and order in a world of competing religions and a world full of ignorance with a huge disconnect from reality. I'll take critical thinking skills over the "creative thinking" skills it takes for someone to believe that the laws of nature are suspended to accommodate extraordinary beliefs without any objective evidence.

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The "truth" lies in the intersection of science and religion

Instead of teaming to find this "truth," science and religion choose to stay enemies

Unfortunate as I consider them siblings of God that he's given us to get closer to his "truth"

That's what my searching has come to, at least now

God allows us to know only so much and go only so far

Maybe someday it will shown to us to be as simple as night and day

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TS, I'm curious how you'd respond to above???

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Science derives at "truth" through objective, critical examination and testing of facts, questions and ideas. Religion arrives at "truth" through faith in dogma, without question or critical examination. Religion requires suspension of belief in known physical laws for belief in the supernatural. Science seeks knowledge and answers through objective examination and testing of questions. Religion presumes to know the answers before the questions. Truth is independent of the intersection of science and religion.Truth absolute is reality.

I came to Baylor as an evangelical fundamentalist. Religion and science at Baylor caused me to begin to critically examine my beliefs. I didn't arrive at my present views overnight. It took objective, critical examination of my beliefs, against a backdrop of science, Biblical textual criticism, Biblical authorship and determination of Biblical canon. I eventually realized that Christianity does not hold up under objective and critical examination. When you get down to the basics of religion, Christianity is really not unlike other religions. It just happens to be the dominant religion for our culture, and is in many ways just as sectarian as other religions. They all essentially require faith in the supernatural.