I never see a supporter day "Yes, he lied."
Is it possible that you are blind or too devoted?
And yes Obama lied.
Is it possible that you are blind or too devoted?
And yes Obama lied.
The only socialist foolish thrown is a gop cartoon version.Forest Bueller said:
Good grief the Trumps lie continually and is a narcissistic ass on top of it.
Nobody says he doesn't lie, I didn't vote for him, but those that did seem to have made a better choice.
This socialist foolishness being thrown out there, would have a much better foothold without Trump.
At least we won't convert to Europe for at least 6 or so years.
Many a millennial does not like the United States as it is.
then why do you listen?GrowlTowel said:
It takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. - Homer Simpson
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Yes, Donald Trump has been known to lie and exaggerate. And with the Clown Show on the left it looks like he will also be your President in 2020.
I'd take Trump's lies over your policies any day.Waco1947 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Yes, Donald Trump has been known to lie and exaggerate. And with the Clown Show on the left it looks like he will also be your President in 2020.
Tuquoque. It's a false argument. Our clown show will sort itself out. We will put forth policy as opposed to lies.
Sam Lowry said:I'd take Trump's lies over your policies any day.Waco1947 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Yes, Donald Trump has been known to lie and exaggerate. And with the Clown Show on the left it looks like he will also be your President in 2020.
Tuquoque. It's a false argument. Our clown show will sort itself out. We will put forth policy as opposed to lies.
Waco1947 said:Sam Lowry said:I'd take Trump's lies over your policies any day.Waco1947 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Yes, Donald Trump has been known to lie and exaggerate. And with the Clown Show on the left it looks like he will also be your President in 2020.
Tuquoque. It's a false argument. Our clown show will sort itself out. We will put forth policy as opposed to lies.
Then how do you trust anything he says about policy.
"Tuquoque"? LOLOLOLOL!!! I am not even going to waste my time looking that up. Has cingue been tutoring you? Like they say, if your are unable to communicate............just obfuscate!Waco1947 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Yes, Donald Trump has been known to lie and exaggerate. And with the Clown Show on the left it looks like he will also be your President in 2020.
Tuquoque. It's a false argument. Our clown show will sort itself out. We will put forth policy as opposed to lies.
Hes a liar. NYT chronicles 4,000 and you let him get away with it.midgett said:
Yes, he lies.
How do you define a lie?
Trump is often labeled a liar due to excessive boasting (that's the bloviating salesman in him). Trump is labeled a liar for changing his mind. (Um, we all do it.) Trump is labeled a liar for backtracking on promises he made.
Most of the above examples are things I've sadly come to expect from a politician. I don't think there is a politician who's been mentioned on these boards over the past two years who isn't a liar based on the above definitions.
His supporters tolerate it from him in his annoying blustery style because he has kept MORE of his campaign promises than perhaps any president in recent memory. He has focused on trying to move forward on the policies he campaigned on whether you like them or not.
What lies do Waco, cinque, jinx2437, Limited believe are so egregious that it sets Trump apart as a liar than all other politicians?
By the way, there is a list going around of 51 Russian collusion bombshells reported by the MSM over the past 2+ years that were all proven false. For many of them, Trump was labeled a liar. Based on the findings of the Mueller report, Trump was the truth teller and anyone repeating the bull crap bombshells was proven the lair.
Chuckle, you got jokes, Waco.Waco1947 said:
I never see a supporter day "Yes, he lied."
Is it possible that you are blind or too devoted?
And yes Obama lied.
J.R. said:
Yes, he lies daily. I finally figured out how to counter my sainted mother's retort about the Trumps. My parents (75) are part of the evangelical, Fox watching,Trumpians who like to say. "I don't like him, but I like his policies ". My retort is...mom, Trump is everything you raised me not to be. Crickets
Waco1947 said:The only socialist foolish thrown is a gop cartoon version.Forest Bueller said:
Good grief the Trumps lie continually and is a narcissistic ass on top of it.
Nobody says he doesn't lie, I didn't vote for him, but those that did seem to have made a better choice.
This socialist foolishness being thrown out there, would have a much better foothold without Trump.
At least we won't convert to Europe for at least 6 or so years.
Many a millennial does not like the United States as it is.
It's funny Cinque chimed in on this thread. I'm not sure I've ever met a trump supporter who would say trump doesn't lie. But cinque won't admit Obama lied about anything. Cinque is the diehard supporter of Obama regardless of faults that 47 thinks every trump voter is. The truth is, most trump voters I've met openly acknowledge his faults, but even with his faults, his policy decisions are more in line with theirs. So it wouldn't make sense for them to have voted another way in 2016.cinque said:Chuckle, you got jokes, Waco.Waco1947 said:
I never see a supporter day "Yes, he lied."
Is it possible that you are blind or too devoted?
And yes Obama lied.
I had no problem criticizing Obama. What I've learned since Trump's election is in order for a lie to be authentic, an intention to mislead must be present.contrario said:It's funny Cinque chimed in on this thread. I'm not sure I've ever met a trump supporter who would say trump doesn't lie. But cinque won't admit Obama lied about anything. Cinque is the diehard supporter of Obama regardless of faults that 47 thinks every trump voter is. The truth is, most trump voters I've met openly acknowledge his faults, but even with his faults, his policy decisions are more in line with theirs. So it wouldn't make sense for them to have voted another way in 2016.cinque said:Chuckle, you got jokes, Waco.Waco1947 said:
I never see a supporter day "Yes, he lied."
Is it possible that you are blind or too devoted?
And yes Obama lied.
Name one time you were critical of Obama, other than not being liberal enough, because that's not a criticism.cinque said:I had no problem criticizing Obama. What I've learned since Trump's election is in order for a lie to be authentic, an intention to mislead must be present.contrario said:It's funny Cinque chimed in on this thread. I'm not sure I've ever met a trump supporter who would say trump doesn't lie. But cinque won't admit Obama lied about anything. Cinque is the diehard supporter of Obama regardless of faults that 47 thinks every trump voter is. The truth is, most trump voters I've met openly acknowledge his faults, but even with his faults, his policy decisions are more in line with theirs. So it wouldn't make sense for them to have voted another way in 2016.cinque said:Chuckle, you got jokes, Waco.Waco1947 said:
I never see a supporter day "Yes, he lied."
Is it possible that you are blind or too devoted?
And yes Obama lied.
I was and remain critical of Obama's decision to extend the Bush tax cuts and I routinely criticized him for being far too beseeching of Republicans who had no interest in working with him at all.contrario said:Name one time you were critical of Obama, other than not being liberal enough, because that's not a criticism.cinque said:I had no problem criticizing Obama. What I've learned since Trump's election is in order for a lie to be authentic, an intention to mislead must be present.contrario said:It's funny Cinque chimed in on this thread. I'm not sure I've ever met a trump supporter who would say trump doesn't lie. But cinque won't admit Obama lied about anything. Cinque is the diehard supporter of Obama regardless of faults that 47 thinks every trump voter is. The truth is, most trump voters I've met openly acknowledge his faults, but even with his faults, his policy decisions are more in line with theirs. So it wouldn't make sense for them to have voted another way in 2016.cinque said:Chuckle, you got jokes, Waco.Waco1947 said:
I never see a supporter day "Yes, he lied."
Is it possible that you are blind or too devoted?
And yes Obama lied.
So your parents raised you to not be a successful, decisive, pragmatic leader. From your posts, sounds like you're living up to it.J.R. said:
Yes, he lies daily. I finally figured out how to counter my sainted mother's retort about the Trumps. My parents (75) are part of the evangelical, Fox watching,Trumpians who like to say. "I don't like him, but I like his policies ". My retort is...mom, Trump is everything you raised me not to be. Crickets
Probably makes you sad that he gets better results for the American people than any Democrat ever could.Booray said:
To me, a lie is an intentional misstatement of a past fact.
Politicians before Trump had grown adept at shading the truth so that they did not misstate the fact even if their statement was misleading overall. If you paid close enough attention you could get a sense of when someone was blowing smoke. If you pressed them or put them under oath the truth was still obtainable.
Trump, on the other hand, just does not care. He will blatantly misrepresent the actual fact. ("No one in my campaign had any contact with anyone from Russia."). That is ok by me. I don't have to pay careful attention anymore. I know that he is always blowing smoke.
FIFYBooray said:
To me, a lie is an intentional misstatement of a past fact.
Politicians before Trump had grown adept at shading the truth so that they did not misstate the fact even if their statement was misleading overall. If you paid close enough attention you could get a sense of when someone was blowing smoke. If you pressed them or put them under oath the truth was still obtainable.
Obama & Clinton, on the other hand, just does not care. He will blatantly misrepresent the actual fact. ("No one in my campaign had any contact with anyone from Russia."). That is ok by me. I don't have to pay careful attention anymore. I know that he is always blowing smoke.
This 2011 claim was not based on a dollar figure but on dubious math that supposedly 95 percent of working families received some kind of tax cut under the Making Work Pay provision in Obama's stimulus bill. John F. Kennedy actually wins the prize for biggest tax cut, at least in the last half-century. By the same measure, the income tax provisions of George W. Bush tax cuts were more than twice as large as Obama's tax cut over the same three-year time span. (While a large portion of Bush's tax cut went to the wealthy, it also benefited the working poor.)Quote:
"We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history"
During the 2012 campaign, Obama repeatedly reminded voters that he became president during a grim economic crisis. But he went too far when he claimed that only 10 percent of the federal deficit was due to his own policies. About half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama's actions. At another point, Obama also falsely suggested that the Bush tax cuts led to the Great Recession.Quote:
"90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush's policies"
This memorable promise by Obama backfired on him in 2013 when the Affordable Care Act went into effect and at least 2 million Americans started receiving cancellation notices. As we explained, part of the reason for so many cancellations is because of an unusually early (March 23, 2010) cutoff date for grandfathering plans and because of tight regulations written by the administration. So the uproar could be pinned directly on the administration's own actions.Quote:
"If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it"
President Obama offered an evocative image at a 2013 news conference when the sequester spending cuts struck the federal budget janitors sweeping the empty halls of the Capitol, laboring for less pay. But it turned out that he was completely wrong. Janitorial staff did not face a pay cut and Capitol Hill administrative officials even issued a statement saying the president's remarks were "not true." Then the White House tried to argue that janitors at least faced a loss of overtime. That was not correct either. The episode was emblematic of the administration's overheated rhetoric during the sequester debate.Quote:
"The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut"
Obama did refer to an "act of terror" in the immediate aftermath of the 2012 Benghazi attacks, but in vague terms, wrapped in a patriotic fervor. He never affirmatively stated that the American ambassador died because of an "act of terror." Then, over a period of two weeks, given three opportunities in interviews to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack, the president obfuscated or ducked the question. So this was a case of taking revisionist history too far for political reasons.Quote:
"The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism"
In 2014, Obama repeated a claim, crafted by the White House communications team, that he was not "specifically" referring to the Islamic State terror group when he dismissed the militants who had taken over Fallujah as a "JV squad." But The Fact Checker obtained the previously unreleased transcript of the president's interview with the New Yorker, and it's clear that's who the president was referencing.Quote:
"I didn't call the Islamic State a 'JV' team"
Obama, a former senator, got quite a few things wrong in this 2014 claim. He spoke of legislation that would help the middle class, but he was counting cloture votes that mostly involved judicial and executive branch nominations. Moreover, he counted all the way back to 2007, meaning he even included votes in which he, as senator, voted against ending debate the very thing he decried in his remarks. At best, he could claim the Republicans had blocked about 50 bills, meaning he was off by a factor of 10.Quote:
"Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation"
Long before Obama killed the Keystone pipeline project in 2015, he made a number of dubious claims about it, including that the pipeline would have no benefit for American producers at all. But the crude oil would have traveled to the Gulf Coast, where it would be refined into products such as motor gasoline and diesel fuel; the State Department said odds were low that all would be exported. Also, about 12 percent of the pipeline's capacity had been set aside for crude from North Dakota and Montana.Quote:
"The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States"
Quote:
[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/12/obamas-claim-a-whole-bunch-of-people-who-are-in-charge-of-va-facilities-were-fired-over-wait-times/?utm_term=.8c9b6d58f99a]"We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities"[/url]
Waco1947 said:
I never see a supporter day "Yes, he lied."
Is it possible that you are blind or too devoted?
And yes Obama lied.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:"Tuquoque"? LOLOLOLOL!!! I am not even going to waste my time looking that up. Has cingue been tutoring you? Like they say, if your are unable to communicate............just obfuscate!Waco1947 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Yes, Donald Trump has been known to lie and exaggerate. And with the Clown Show on the left it looks like he will also be your President in 2020.
Tuquoque. It's a false argument. Our clown show will sort itself out. We will put forth policy as opposed to lies.
Sorry, but criticism of a question based on a false premise being presented as a stereotype is fully worthy of being criticized.Jinx 2 said:https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:"Tuquoque"? LOLOLOLOL!!! I am not even going to waste my time looking that up. Has cingue been tutoring you? Like they say, if your are unable to communicate............just obfuscate!Waco1947 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Yes, Donald Trump has been known to lie and exaggerate. And with the Clown Show on the left it looks like he will also be your President in 2020.
Tuquoque. It's a false argument. Our clown show will sort itself out. We will put forth policy as opposed to lies.
tu quoque - You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism.
(2) - on the list of GOP talking points with no factual basis -- The climate has always changed and it always will, and this is proof that human carbon emissions are not responsible for the current rapid warming of the planet.Forest Bueller said:
All politicians continually lie.