Epstein - The Scumbaggery Goes Deep
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Last: 6 yr ago by Florda_mike
Lets see how fast this story goes away. Imagine that, it was a Democrat attorney for the state of FL in Palm Beach who was going to let Epstein WALK w/ NO JAIL TIME until Acosta and their group stepped in.
Acosta was referring to Barry Krischer, a Democrat who served as state attorney in Palm Beach through 2008.
Acosta was referring to Barry Krischer, a Democrat who served as state attorney in Palm Beach through 2008.
How many times have the media and Dems tried to go after Trump only to realize they have egg on their face. Of course Dems ignored the testimony and are doubling down today. Shady as usual. Now this guy is supposedly giving "training" on how to prosecute sexual crimes. Unreal
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/274255/florida-dem-who-gave-epstein-pass-providing-daniel-greenfield
There were really just two people willing to risk their careers to go after Epstein: Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Reiter and Detective Joseph Recarey.
In their first on-the-record media interviews about the case, Reiter and Recarey revealed new details about the investigation, and how they were, in their view, pressured by then-Palm Beach State Attorney Barry Krischer to downgrade the case to a misdemeanor or drop it altogether.
Krischer and the lead state prosecutor on the case, Assistant State Attorney Lanna Belohlavek, began to dodge Recarey and Reiter's phone calls and emails, and they dragged their feet on approving subpoenas, Reiter and Recarey said.
"Early on, it became clear that things had changed, from Krischer saying, 'we'll put this guy away for life,' to 'these are all the reasons why we aren't going to prosecute this,' '' Reiter said.
Krischer, who is now retired and in private practice, did not respond to multiple requests from the Herald for comment. Belohlavek also did not respond to an email sent to her office.
"It became apparent to me that some of our evidence was being leaked to Epstein's lawyers, who began to question everything that we had in our probable cause affidavit,'' Reiter said.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/274255/florida-dem-who-gave-epstein-pass-providing-daniel-greenfield
There were really just two people willing to risk their careers to go after Epstein: Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Reiter and Detective Joseph Recarey.
In their first on-the-record media interviews about the case, Reiter and Recarey revealed new details about the investigation, and how they were, in their view, pressured by then-Palm Beach State Attorney Barry Krischer to downgrade the case to a misdemeanor or drop it altogether.
Krischer and the lead state prosecutor on the case, Assistant State Attorney Lanna Belohlavek, began to dodge Recarey and Reiter's phone calls and emails, and they dragged their feet on approving subpoenas, Reiter and Recarey said.
"Early on, it became clear that things had changed, from Krischer saying, 'we'll put this guy away for life,' to 'these are all the reasons why we aren't going to prosecute this,' '' Reiter said.
Krischer, who is now retired and in private practice, did not respond to multiple requests from the Herald for comment. Belohlavek also did not respond to an email sent to her office.
"It became apparent to me that some of our evidence was being leaked to Epstein's lawyers, who began to question everything that we had in our probable cause affidavit,'' Reiter said.
From the Miami Herald article those snippets are pulled out of, this is the deal you're defending:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article214210674.html
This Krischer guy sounds like a real scumbag, but it was undeniably Acosta who took over the case and gave Epstein a sweetheart deal that immunized any co-conspirators , and then was deliberately kept secret from the victims.
Quote:
In 2007, despite ample physical evidence and multiple witnesses corroborating the girls' stories, federal prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers quietly put together a remarkable deal for Epstein, then 54. He agreed to plead guilty to two felony prostitution charges in state court, and in exchange, he and his accomplices received immunity from federal sex-trafficking charges that could have sent him to prison for life.
He served 13 months in a private wing of the Palm Beach County stockade. His alleged co-conspirators, who helped schedule his sex sessions, were never prosecuted.
The deal, called a federal non-prosecution agreement, was sealed so that no one not even his victims could know the full scope of Epstein's crimes and who else was involved. The U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, was personally involved in the negotiations, records, letters and emails show.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article214210674.html
This Krischer guy sounds like a real scumbag, but it was undeniably Acosta who took over the case and gave Epstein a sweetheart deal that immunized any co-conspirators , and then was deliberately kept secret from the victims.
He spoke about the victims that you say he 'deliberately kept secret'. They couldn't let the victims know what was being negotiated at the time because if it didn't get done then they would be liable or the other attorneys could use that against them (his not so exact words).HuMcK said:
From the Miami Herald article those snippets are pulled out of, this is the deal you're defending:Quote:
In 2007, despite ample physical evidence and multiple witnesses corroborating the girls' stories, federal prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers quietly put together a remarkable deal for Epstein, then 54. He agreed to plead guilty to two felony prostitution charges in state court, and in exchange, he and his accomplices received immunity from federal sex-trafficking charges that could have sent him to prison for life.
He served 13 months in a private wing of the Palm Beach County stockade. His alleged co-conspirators, who helped schedule his sex sessions, were never prosecuted.
The deal, called a federal non-prosecution agreement, was sealed so that no one not even his victims could know the full scope of Epstein's crimes and who else was involved. The U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, was personally involved in the negotiations, records, letters and emails show.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article214210674.html
This Krischer guy sounds like a real scumbag, but it was undeniably Acosta who took over the case and gave Epstein a sweetheart deal that immunized any co-conspirators , and then was deliberately kept secret from the victims.
They also negotiated into the deal where the victims would be allowed to seek damages and Epstein had to pay for their attorneys.
I'm not sure how you could blame him for taking over a case where Epstein was going to walk w/ no jail time and get a harsher sentence for him knowing that the victims weren't going to testify and going to trail would have been difficult. I'm not defending him but as usual the Dems are going after the wrong person just because he works for Trump.
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Interesting how the mainstream news media seems much more interested in taking out Secretary pick Acosta than they are in bringing the pedophile to justice. Pathetic.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
but for Acosta.. this guy would have totally SKATED the initial case
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Interesting how the mainstream news media seems much more interested in taking out Secretary pick Acosta than they are in bringing the pedophile to justice. Pathetic.
That's the mission of propagandists in DNC and democrat owned media
Nothing to be unexpected here unfortunately
riflebear said:He spoke about the victims that you say he 'deliberately kept secret'. They couldn't let the victims know what was being negotiated at the time because if it didn't get done then they would be liable or the other attorneys could use that against them (his not so exact words).HuMcK said:
From the Miami Herald article those snippets are pulled out of, this is the deal you're defending:Quote:
In 2007, despite ample physical evidence and multiple witnesses corroborating the girls' stories, federal prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers quietly put together a remarkable deal for Epstein, then 54. He agreed to plead guilty to two felony prostitution charges in state court, and in exchange, he and his accomplices received immunity from federal sex-trafficking charges that could have sent him to prison for life.
He served 13 months in a private wing of the Palm Beach County stockade. His alleged co-conspirators, who helped schedule his sex sessions, were never prosecuted.
The deal, called a federal non-prosecution agreement, was sealed so that no one not even his victims could know the full scope of Epstein's crimes and who else was involved. The U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, was personally involved in the negotiations, records, letters and emails show.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article214210674.html
This Krischer guy sounds like a real scumbag, but it was undeniably Acosta who took over the case and gave Epstein a sweetheart deal that immunized any co-conspirators , and then was deliberately kept secret from the victims.
They also negotiated into the deal where the victims would be allowed to seek damages and Epstein had to pay for their attorneys.
I'm not sure how you could blame him for taking over a case where Epstein was going to walk w/ no jail time and get a harsher sentence for him knowing that the victims weren't going to testify and going to trail would have been difficult. I'm not defending him but as usual the Dems are going after the wrong person just because he works for Trump.
Question (and I'm not a lawyer so that's why I'm asking).....isn't the prosecution, whether federal or state, required to consult with the victims and their counsel before a deal is completed? I'm asking because I've seen multiple news sources indicate that Acosta was the only one who got a deal when the state wouldn't prosecute, as noted above, and it's been noted that Epstein's deal was above his pay grade....so...was the deal by procedure? Seems to me to be failures at multiple levels. Epstein is a scumbag of the highest order that should've been dealt with much more harshly.
I heard last night not to forget there was a grand jury in the State of FL who could only bring one charge against Epstein, that's how difficult these cases are to prosecute. They even had a witness who asked for immunity only to turn around and give testimony that Epstein was a good guy so if it had gone to trial they now had to overcome witnesses flipping since only 2 of the 20+ victims wanted to come forward.
It's easy to try this case in 2019 in the era of #metoo but we can't forget back in 2006-2008 it was a very different time and victims weren't believed as much as they are today or given the protections they have today.
It's easy to try this case in 2019 in the era of #metoo but we can't forget back in 2006-2008 it was a very different time and victims weren't believed as much as they are today or given the protections they have today.
times have indeed changed. Fox news devoted much time to calling Christine Blasey Ford a drunk **** and that was....oh wait that was last night.
Video?ScruffyD said:
times have indeed changed. Fox news devoted much time to calling Christine Blasey Ford a drunk **** and that was....oh wait that was last night.
That's crap
I was flipping channels. I didnt think I'd need evidence...assumed ~95% of you all are stuck on that channel like a hamster in a wheel and would have seen it. The fact that you are dubious of my claim gives me some hope.
It was someone named Molly Hemmingway and/or Carrie Savaro that accused her of being a heavy drinker in high school and that she was aggressive with young men.
It was someone named Molly Hemmingway and/or Carrie Savaro that accused her of being a heavy drinker in high school and that she was aggressive with young men.
I guess you might find that hard to believe uh
I'm not sure if you were done typing. I don't find it hard to believe they would devote a segment to this in 2019, no. And I find the point that times have changed to be ludicrous, because they haven't, clearly based on that programming and what i believe to be the point you are trying to make.
It was hard to prosecute then, and it is today. That's the job of federal prosecutors. It isn't supposed to be easy. But that's the shiny object they through out yesterday and most of you have been playing with it since.
It was hard to prosecute then, and it is today. That's the job of federal prosecutors. It isn't supposed to be easy. But that's the shiny object they through out yesterday and most of you have been playing with it since.
Poor scruffy.
Just a few months ago, the Left was sure Mueller had the goods on President Trump, and a few false accusations would be sure to sink his SCOTUS nomination, and definitely the economy would sour and ...
the opposite happened.
Desperate for hope, the Left turned to their Pantheon of Champions, the two dozen candidates to run against Trump next year. But what they took for gold had turned to mold, and they are choking on the despair of impending doom.
Like Wile E. Coyote, they hope that this time their absurd plan will somehow work, yet it's all falling from cliffs for them.
Just a few months ago, the Left was sure Mueller had the goods on President Trump, and a few false accusations would be sure to sink his SCOTUS nomination, and definitely the economy would sour and ...
the opposite happened.
Desperate for hope, the Left turned to their Pantheon of Champions, the two dozen candidates to run against Trump next year. But what they took for gold had turned to mold, and they are choking on the despair of impending doom.
Like Wile E. Coyote, they hope that this time their absurd plan will somehow work, yet it's all falling from cliffs for them.
certainly don't wish for the economy to ever fail. didn't think that particular scotus nomination was worthy of the prestige that comes with the appointment, and it remains to be seen on most of the rest.
what is so ironic is Mueller doesn't even want to testify, yet everyone is ginning up to see him lambasted and throwing stones at him in every direction. Again, this man is a lifelong republican. Try to keep that in mind in between episodes of [insert cartoon episode here]. He is reluctantly challenging a New York Democrat turned Republican but, who would let that fact get in the way?
why bother though. hard to reason with someone who's brain has been eaten by watching Fox news and, apparently, cartoons all day.
what is so ironic is Mueller doesn't even want to testify, yet everyone is ginning up to see him lambasted and throwing stones at him in every direction. Again, this man is a lifelong republican. Try to keep that in mind in between episodes of [insert cartoon episode here]. He is reluctantly challenging a New York Democrat turned Republican but, who would let that fact get in the way?
why bother though. hard to reason with someone who's brain has been eaten by watching Fox news and, apparently, cartoons all day.
You are correct, -that was just wrong. I think it is refreshing to know there is still an ultra-liberal Democratic woman that still likes boys.ScruffyD said:
I was flipping channels. I didnt think I'd need evidence...assumed ~95% of you all are stuck on that channel like a hamster in a wheel and would have seen it. The fact that you are dubious of my claim gives me some hope.
It was someone named Molly Hemmingway and/or Carrie Savaro that accused her of being a heavy drinker in high school and that she was aggressive with young men.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
scruffy: "don''t think that particular scotus nomination was worthy of the prestige that comes with the appointment"
I disagree. I believe Judge Kavanaugh was very well qualified, especially in comparison with the picks offered by Obama. I was especially impressed with his strength in the face of blatant and false attacks on his character.
scruffy: "what is so ironic is Mueller doesn't even want to testify, yet everyone is ginning up to see him lambasted and throwing stones at him in every direction. Again, this man is a lifelong republican. Try to keep that in mind in between episodes of [insert cartoon episode here]."
Aside from your puerile attempts to impugn reasonable skepticism about his objectivity and professional standards, it means nothing that Mueller was/is a Republican. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Ted Kennedy were both lifelong Democrats, but displayed very different kinds of character and principle. Mueller was a guy willing to let innocent men go to prison to protect Whitey Bulger. That alone tells me he's dirty.
scruffy: "hard to reason with someone who's brain has been eaten by watching Fox news and, apparently, cartoons all day. "
Not my idea of a winning riposte, but good luck with that thinking, scruffy.
I disagree. I believe Judge Kavanaugh was very well qualified, especially in comparison with the picks offered by Obama. I was especially impressed with his strength in the face of blatant and false attacks on his character.
scruffy: "what is so ironic is Mueller doesn't even want to testify, yet everyone is ginning up to see him lambasted and throwing stones at him in every direction. Again, this man is a lifelong republican. Try to keep that in mind in between episodes of [insert cartoon episode here]."
Aside from your puerile attempts to impugn reasonable skepticism about his objectivity and professional standards, it means nothing that Mueller was/is a Republican. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Ted Kennedy were both lifelong Democrats, but displayed very different kinds of character and principle. Mueller was a guy willing to let innocent men go to prison to protect Whitey Bulger. That alone tells me he's dirty.
scruffy: "hard to reason with someone who's brain has been eaten by watching Fox news and, apparently, cartoons all day. "
Not my idea of a winning riposte, but good luck with that thinking, scruffy.
Feminism 101:
Kavanaugh may have assaulted a girl 30 years ago, but we have no actual evidence. - "Based on his HS year book, he is obviously guilty!!!!"
Epstein raped dozens and dozens of teenage girls as did his friends and we have proof. - "Who are the Republicans that let him do this? They should be in jail."
Kavanaugh may have assaulted a girl 30 years ago, but we have no actual evidence. - "Based on his HS year book, he is obviously guilty!!!!"
Epstein raped dozens and dozens of teenage girls as did his friends and we have proof. - "Who are the Republicans that let him do this? They should be in jail."
Jack Bauer said:
Feminism 101:
Kavanaugh may have assaulted a girl 30 years ago, but we have no actual evidence. - "Based on his HS year book, he is obviously guilty!!!!"
Epstein raped dozens and dozens of teenage girls as did his friends and we have proof. - "Who are the Republicans that let him do this? They should be in jail."
Yep
There's no longer any reason to waste time with democrats
Masters of deception and it's like their entire lives are lies
I think it is more who are the PEOPLE who let him avoid justice, that is the issue for most folks such as myself.
Somehow this is a democrat vs republican issue for the majority of you. "this" being pedophilia and a lazy, scared federal prosecutor who's current office includes enforcing human trafficking violations, btw.
Somehow this is a democrat vs republican issue for the majority of you. "this" being pedophilia and a lazy, scared federal prosecutor who's current office includes enforcing human trafficking violations, btw.
Interesting article on Epstein's financial connections....
All his connections seem to be connected somehow...I'm not sure what it is but I will continue to investigate
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/epsteins-elite-wall-street-ties-revealed-filing
All his connections seem to be connected somehow...I'm not sure what it is but I will continue to investigate
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/epsteins-elite-wall-street-ties-revealed-filing
May not have what many think he does.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/business/jeffrey-epstein-net-worth.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/business/jeffrey-epstein-net-worth.html
I disagree. For some of us this is an Establishment vs The People kind of issue, where elites think the law does not apply to them (wire fraud, extortion, using home servers for classified documents, and obscene crimes like preying on kids).ScruffyD said:
I think it is more who are the PEOPLE who let him avoid justice, that is the issue for most folks such as myself.
Somehow this is a democrat vs republican issue for the majority of you. "this" being pedophilia and a lazy, scared federal prosecutor who's current office includes enforcing human trafficking violations, btw.
I don't know who may be involved, and I am not jumping to conclusions. Lots of lawyers like to implicate famous people in hopes of influencing the outcome, so my position is to let the evidence lead us to just conclusions.
No one is guilty just because they are accused, including the Clintons. But this definitely needs careful examination, and if guilt is proven the punishment for the guilty should be severe.
what guilt has yet to be proven?
In legal terms, all of it.ScruffyD said:
what guilt has yet to be proven?
We hear a lot from media, but so far real proof is still in the future.
I believe a lot of what I hear, but I still know better than to buy everything a biased media sells. After all, they have a strong motive to sell scandal and outrage, for purposes of clicks and ratings.
Not true. It was Blasey Ford's own friends that Hemingway and Severino interviewed for their newly released book who accused her of being a heavy drinker and a staple of the DC-area 1980's party culture among preppers.ScruffyD said:
I was flipping channels. I didnt think I'd need evidence...assumed ~95% of you all are stuck on that channel like a hamster in a wheel and would have seen it. The fact that you are dubious of my claim gives me some hope.
It was someone named Molly Hemmingway and/or Carrie Savaro that accused her of being a heavy drinker in high school and that she was aggressive with young men.
Malbec said:Not true. It was Blasey Ford's own friends that Hemingway and Severino interviewed for their newly released book who accused her of being a heavy drinker and a staple of the DC-area 1980's party culture among preppers.ScruffyD said:
I was flipping channels. I didnt think I'd need evidence...assumed ~95% of you all are stuck on that channel like a hamster in a wheel and would have seen it. The fact that you are dubious of my claim gives me some hope.
It was someone named Molly Hemmingway and/or Carrie Savaro that accused her of being a heavy drinker in high school and that she was aggressive with young men.
Yes. CBF's actions 30+ years ago were from the FBI interviews of her HS friends who stated she was a promiscuous lush. Republicans didn't use that information against her despite democrats ruining Kavanaugh during the confirmation process.
yeah i wasn't splitting hairs over who was delivering the message rather pointing out that fox was broadcasting the content in 2019...an era that Acosta says is much easier to come forward in.
and you are making a point that somehow wasn't happening because the guests didn't say it, rather they were repeating what someone else had.
and you are making a point that somehow wasn't happening because the guests didn't say it, rather they were repeating what someone else had.
ok so that is a lot of talk without saying a thing. just wasn't sure if you believe epstein is guilty or not. since he pled guilty to it already. wouldn't surprise me if you missed that and found him to be credible and innocent.
Since I never said a word in support of Epstein, you're getting into extra pathetic loser territory, scruffy.ScruffyD said:
ok so that is a lot of talk without saying a thing. just wasn't sure if you believe epstein is guilty or not. since he pled guilty to it already. wouldn't surprise me if you missed that and found him to be credible and innocent.
Grow up or expect to get blocked by the adults.