So now Trump has to worry about the people listening in on his conversations dictating what is being said between him and another World leader? This is truly insane. The deep state is beyond real and you knew if the top was corrupt there were hundreds underneath them that are still employed.

That's why you see Comey McCabe etc out and about w/ no fear because they know they are protected. Worst case it goes to a Grand Jury in DC where it's overwhelmingly liberal so they know they will likely be protected there as well.

As Sheryl Attkison deftly asked on the twitter (sorry I couldn't post it).....what if the whistleblower is someone already under investigation that is seeking protection?

Interesting.....

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So now Trump has to worry about the people listening in on his conversations dictating what is being said between him and another World leader? This is truly insane. The deep state is beyond real and you knew if the top was corrupt there were hundreds underneath them that are still employed.

That's why you see Comey McCabe etc out and about w/ no fear because they know they are protected. Worst case it goes to a Grand Jury in DC where it's overwhelmingly liberal so they know they will likely be protected there as well.

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After reading more into it, this entire thing looks like it's tied to Biden and his son.

If Obama and Biden blackmailed Ukraine to stop an investigation into the Biden family, this phone call might have been Trump holding back aid to Ukraine until they cooperated in the investigation of a political opponent.

That is presumably the call concerning to the whistleblower.

Here's the info on what happened with Biden and his son:

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In March 2016, then Vice-President Joe Biden warned Ukraine that $1 billion in loan guarantees would be withheld by the U.S. unless they replaced Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor general who was investigating Hunter Biden. Ukraine did remove Shokin, and the prosecution was dropped. It looks like a clear case of a quid-pro-quo.

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riflebear said:

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So now Trump has to worry about the people listening in on his conversations dictating what is being said between him and another World leader? This is truly insane. The deep state is beyond real and you knew if the top was corrupt there were hundreds underneath them that are still employed.

That's why you see Comey McCabe etc out and about w/ no fear because they know they are protected. Worst case it goes to a Grand Jury in DC where it's overwhelmingly liberal so they know they will likely be protected there as well.

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After reading more into it, this entire thing looks like it's tied to Biden and his son.

If Obama and Biden blackmailed Ukraine to stop an investigation into the Biden family, this phone call might have been Trump holding back aid to Ukraine until they cooperated in the investigation of a political opponent.

That is presumably the call concerning to the whistleblower.

Here's the info on what happened with Biden and his son:

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In March 2016, then Vice-President Joe Biden warned Ukraine that $1 billion in loan guarantees would be withheld by the U.S. unless they replaced Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor general who was investigating Hunter Biden. Ukraine did remove Shokin, and the prosecution was dropped. It looks like a clear case of a quid-pro-quo.

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Could you imagine if Trump had done this to cover for his son? The media would implode w/ 24/7 news coverage and demand another special counsel. When it's Biden literally admitting on TV that he bribed Ukraine to fire the investigator looking into his son the media is SILENT.

WSJ: Trump asked Ukraine president 8 times to investigate Joe Biden's son

Sep. 20, 2019 - 2:17 - The Wall Street Journal reports that in a July phone call, President Trump repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to work with Rudy Giuliani and investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden's son.


https://video.foxnews.com/v/6088169681001/#sp=show-clips

And William Barr is a problem:


A.G. Barr Accused of Covering Up Whistleblower Complaint about Trump
"...Schiff said the Justice Department had misinterpreted the law in blocking Maguire from disclosing the complaint.
Another Democratic member of the committee, Mike Quigley, was more direct, charging that Attorney General William Barr was seeking to protect the president.
"Mr. Barr and the Department of Justice's job in their mind is to protect the president," he told reporters. "And it doesn't matter if that violates the laws."
CNN said on Thursday both the White House and Justice Department were involved in advising Maguire not to give Congress a copy of the complaint.

Full of Schiff is making false accusations again? I'm shocked.

I'm still waiting for that evidence he said he had on Trump that he colluded w/ Russia. He promised us he had real evidence nightly for 3 years - what happened? Why didn't he give it to Mueller?

Barr has more integrity in his pinky than Schiff has in his entire body.

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WSJ: Trump asked Ukraine president 8 times to investigate Joe Biden's son

Sep. 20, 2019 - 2:17 - The Wall Street Journal reports that in a July phone call, President Trump repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to work with Rudy Giuliani and investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden's son.


https://video.foxnews.com/v/6088169681001/#sp=show-clips

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This thing is falling apart so fast....

As usual - the corruption is squarely on the Democrats (in this case VP Biden & his son) yet somehow they are trying to pin it on Trump. Amazing.

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Absolutely amazing. How can a whistleblower have no first hand knowledge? The democrats are desperate if they are hanging their hopes on this. It appears any plan to stop the "whistleblower" was really an attempt to avoid interfering with a serious criminal investigation. Can charges of obstruction of justice be filed against the "whistleblower"?

And the hypocrisy of the left is unbelievable. This is a clear and blatant case of quid pro quo and the HuMcK's, cinque's and jinx's of the world will excuse it and try to distract from the truth. But the truth is Biden committed a serious crime and he thought he would get away with it because he knew the Obama justice department wasn't going to investigate it. Unbelievable the corruption in DC. This story involves a Democrat, but the republicans are just as guilty of these types of things. All criminals.

Word on the street is that Trump should release the transcripts of the conversation because it reveals the truth that he did nothing wrong.

I'm not into conspiracies and this is a crazy stretch, but what if Trump set up the Dems & media by having a 'whistleblower' go to the IG. The IG was required to inform the Dems in Congress (Schiff) which they knew would leak this. All of this to get the media to pay attention to the corruption and crimes of the Bidens since they wouldn't pay attention to it otherwise.

I know it's not true, but it's funny to think about because that's exactly what is happening. Even Biden wanted to deflect questions about this today and you know he would do anything to hurt Trump, so if he's avoiding questions about this it's pretty obvious what is happening.


Same thing happened w/ Russiagate. It all backfired and the main corrupt leaders who pushed all of this are now under investigation and/or were fired from their jobs because they didn't think Trump would win and when he did they thought the fraudulent Special Counsel they pushed would uncover something corrupt about Trump. Of course, it backfired - AGAIN.

Same exact playbook as every other Trump scandal, smear the person making the accusation (even if they are Republican) and blame the Dems instead, and y'all swallow the hook like good little Trumpies every single time. This way, instead of dealing with anything Trump did, his supporters can just throw mirroring accusations back without a care in the world for how credible they are, the point is they get to dodge talking about Trump's actions and fire back accusations instead. Again, just like every other Trump scandal. I don't fault Republicans for doing it, I fault the dumbasses that support them for letting it work.

Trump and Giuliani have basically admitted that they told Ukraine to investigate Biden or they won't get the Defense funds Congress appropriated (i.e. a clear quid pro quo arrangement), so of course y'all morons dip back into the well of Peter Schweitzer to blame Dems instead. Nevermind that Schweitzer's previous accusations predictably turned out to be partisan nonsense (eg Uranium-1, or the Clinton Foundation investigation McCabe is in hot water for).

Y'all think Biden is corrupt? Maybe. He can share a prison cell with the corrupt piece of sht that is Donald Trump if it's true, but just because Peter Schweitzer wrote it in a book (the accusation comes from Clinton Cash in case people weren't aware, and I thought it was criminal bordering on treason according to Repubs to investigate claims coming from a 3rd party like Schweitzer/Steele?) doesn't make it true, and quite frankly whether the accusation against Trump is true or not the administration is actively and openly engaged in covering up whatever did happen.

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Same exact playbook as every other Trump scandal, smear the person making the accusation (even if they are Republican) and blame the Dems instead, and y'all swallow the hook like good little Trumpies every single time. This way, instead of dealing with anything Trump did, his supporters can just throw mirroring accusations back without a care in the world for how credible they are, the point is they get to dodge talking about Trump's actions and fire back accusations instead. Again, just like every other Trump scandal. I don't fault Republicans for doing it, I fault the dumbasses that support them for letting it work.

Trump and Giuliani have basically admitted that they told Ukraine to investigate Biden or they won't get the Defense funds Congress appropriated (i.e. a clear quid pro quo arrangement), so of course y'all morons dip back into the well of Peter Schweitzer to blame Dems instead. Nevermind that Schweitzer's previous accusations predictably turned out to be partisan nonsense (eg Uranium-1, or the Clinton Foundation investigation McCabe is in hot water for).

Y'all think Biden is corrupt? Maybe. He can share a prison cell with the corrupt piece of sht that is Donald Trump if it's true, but just because Peter Schweitzer wrote it in a book (the accusation comes from Clinton Cash in case people weren't aware, and I thought it was criminal bordering on treason according to Repubs to investigate claims coming from a 3rd party like Schweitzer/Steele?) doesn't make it true, and quite frankly whether the accusation against Trump is true or not the administration is actively and openly engaged in covering up whatever did happen.

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Wow someone is getting upset & desperate. Calm down.

Did you even read the articles above? Of course not.

Please show us the evidence you have that Trump gave quid quo arrangement they wouldn't give funds. I've seen reporting that this never happened. Why make stuff up?

And are you really pulling the Dem playbook by bait and switch when that's literally everything that's been happening the last 3 years w/ Trump/Russia and every other fake conspiracy that's resulted in egg on your face.

Obviously nothing to see here...

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...but her emails

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Debunked...."The whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/20/politics/donald-trump-whistleblower

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Same exact playbook as every other Trump scandal, smear the person making the accusation (even if they are Republican) and blame the Dems instead, and y'all swallow the hook like good little Trumpies every single time. This way, instead of dealing with anything Trump did, his supporters can just throw mirroring accusations back without a care in the world for how credible they are, the point is they get to dodge talking about Trump's actions and fire back accusations instead. Again, just like every other Trump scandal. I don't fault Republicans for doing it, I fault the dumbasses that support them for letting it work.

Trump and Giuliani have basically admitted that they told Ukraine to investigate Biden or they won't get the Defense funds Congress appropriated (i.e. a clear quid pro quo arrangement), so of course y'all morons dip back into the well of Peter Schweitzer to blame Dems instead. Nevermind that Schweitzer's previous accusations predictably turned out to be partisan nonsense (eg Uranium-1, or the Clinton Foundation investigation McCabe is in hot water for).

Y'all think Biden is corrupt? Maybe. He can share a prison cell with the corrupt piece of sht that is Donald Trump if it's true, but just because Peter Schweitzer wrote it in a book (the accusation comes from Clinton Cash in case people weren't aware, and I thought it was criminal bordering on treason according to Repubs to investigate claims coming from a 3rd party like Schweitzer/Steele?) doesn't make it true, and quite frankly whether the accusation against Trump is true or not the administration is actively and openly engaged in covering up whatever did happen.

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We don't have many facts, but based on what we do know I can't imagine any scenario where Trump or Biden broke the law. Whether they abused their powers to an extent worthy of investigation by Congress is a political rather than a legal question. Both of them almost certainly had multiple reasons for their demands to Ukraine. If Trump stood to benefit politically, that would hardly be unusual (recall for example the Obama administration's demand that Ukraine investigate Paul Manafort during the 2016 campaign).

These tempests in a teapot all result from a misunderstanding of executive power and constitutional checks and balances. The president has broad authority to conduct foreign policy. The fact that he doesn't want Congress supervising his every move doesn't mean he's covering anything up. Anonymous leakers, Democratic politicians, and the media have spent the last three years relentlessly exploiting the public's ignorance and creating the impression that Trump is committing treason every time he makes a promise to a foreign leader. Such is far from the truth.

What does it mean that he's moving Heaven and earth to keep his tax returns from Congressional oversight?

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Hmmm

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You apparently think this was related to Burisma?

Well that was fun.
Aaaaaaand. Scene!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ukraine-trump-zelensky-biden

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It is a clear violation of statutory law for the DNI to not comply with HPSCI and turn over the complaint, but of course the Trump administration doesnt care about the rule of law and neither do its supporters.

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No, it isn't. It's only required to be turned over if it relates to someone under the authority of the DNI, which Trump will argue he is not.

Sam Lowry said:

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It is a clear violation of statutory law for the DNI to not comply with HPSCI and turn over the complaint, but of course the Trump administration doesnt care about the rule of law and neither do its supporters.

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No, it isn't. It's only required to be turned over if it relates to someone under the authority of the DNI, which Trump will argue he is not.

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Of course he will, that's why I wrote in my previous comment, "the Trump administration doesn't care about the rule of law". His lawyers are currently arguing in court that he isn't constitutionally subject to any form of oversight whatsoever. Lemme guess, you find yourself warming up to that position these days as well?

Everybody should be familiar with this worn out move from the Trump playbook.
1. Deny the allegation
2. Admit the allegation is true
3. Declare the truth of the allegation to be harmless.
4. Destroy the reputation of the truth teller.

HuMcK said:

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It is a clear violation of statutory law for the DNI to not comply with HPSCI and turn over the complaint, but of course the Trump administration doesnt care about the rule of law and neither do its supporters.

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No, it isn't. It's only required to be turned over if it relates to someone under the authority of the DNI, which Trump will argue he is not.

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Of course he will, that's why I wrote in my previous comment, "the Trump administration doesn't care about the rule of law". His lawyers are currently arguing in court that he isn't constitutionally subject to any form of oversight whatsoever. Lemme guess, you find yourself warming up to that position these days as well?

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I doubt anyone is arguing that. He is subject to oversight, just not the same oversight as the intelligence community. Congress is still free to investigate without regard to the statute.

What does this mean? Anybody?

"The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, was largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place, was largely the fact that we don't want our people, like Vice President Biden and his son, creating to the corruption already in the Ukraine," Trump told reporters Sunday morning."

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What does this mean? Anybody?

"The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, was largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place, was largely the fact that we don't want our people, like Vice President Biden and his son, creating to the corruption already in the Ukraine," Trump told reporters Sunday morning."

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"Congrats on all your corruption. If you received any corrupt help from a Biden, please let me know."

Still don't see a crime.

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What does this mean? Anybody?

"The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, was largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place, was largely the fact that we don't want our people, like Vice President Biden and his son, creating to the corruption already in the Ukraine," Trump told reporters Sunday morning."

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"Congrats on all your corruption. If you received any corrupt help from a Biden, please let me know."

Still don't see a crime.

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A more accurate representation of what's alleged would be "Biden is a potential threat to me, help take him down or else you're not getting the money you were promised". Punctuated by the usual song and dance of "I could totally prove my version is the truth, but I'm not gonna". (See: tax returns, financial disclosures, Melania's immigration status, etc.)

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How many times has the press changed their story?

Hillary did the same thing to Trump and more. Once again - do as I say, not as I do if you are a Democrat. Media could care less.

riflebear said:

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Hillary did the same thing to Trump and more. Once again - do as I say, not as I do if you are a Democrat. Media could care less.

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Leaving aside that your only source on this is John Solomon's deeply partisan articles (take notice that all of his hyperlinks in that column refer back solely to his own articles without any 3rd party verification) propping up a dubious claim from Clinton Cash (still wondering how you reconcile investigating the Steele Dossier being treason but investigating Clinton Cash is above board...), you described that investigation of Manafort in another thread as "crimes they committed on Trump", and now that Trump has been caught doing something even worse you seem to have no issue defending him for it. Why is that? Why are you ok with DNI deliberalty concealing a whistleblower complaint that the OIG already decided should be forwarded to Congress?

Solomon has been 100% right he last 3 years on everything the Dems has pushed as a lie/conspiracy and tried to cover up. But he's somehow partisan and not trustworthy? OK