It is the transcript of the POTUS phone call to ZelinskyCutTheTVoff said:
NY Times = do not read.
Tell em to pound sand.contrario said:
Nothing there, which late yesterday the democrats already realized. Which is now why they have moved the goal posts and are asking for recordings of the conversation and other conversations.
Oldbear83 said:Tell em to pound sand.contrario said:
Nothing there, which late yesterday the democrats already realized. Which is now why they have moved the goal posts and are asking for recordings of the conversation and other conversations.
Democrats asked the same country to investigate Trump in 2018. Wrong also, or will you come up with a bunch of excuses for that?Booray said:
POTUS asked an ally dependent on U.S. military protection and foreign aid to investigate a political rival. That is wrong. Period, end of story.
I don't care if it is illegal or impeachable. It is wrong and no way to run a country. Minimize it all you want, but in doing so you are further degrading the country we all love.
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
Booray said:
POTUS asked an ally dependent on U.S. military protection and foreign aid to investigate a political rival. That is wrong. Period, end of story.
I don't care if it is illegal or impeachable. It is wrong and no way to run a country. Minimize it all you want, but in doing so you are further degrading the country we all love.
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
Yeah, but that treaty is like 2 decades old. Certainly it doesn't matter...Doc Holliday said:Booray said:
POTUS asked an ally dependent on U.S. military protection and foreign aid to investigate a political rival. That is wrong. Period, end of story.
I don't care if it is illegal or impeachable. It is wrong and no way to run a country. Minimize it all you want, but in doing so you are further degrading the country we all love.
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
Signed by Bill Clinton LMAOcontrario said:Yeah, but that treaty is like 2 decades old. Certainly it doesn't matter...Doc Holliday said:Booray said:
POTUS asked an ally dependent on U.S. military protection and foreign aid to investigate a political rival. That is wrong. Period, end of story.
I don't care if it is illegal or impeachable. It is wrong and no way to run a country. Minimize it all you want, but in doing so you are further degrading the country we all love.
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
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* Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko: We have evidence of the Biden family stealing millions from Ukraine and request a meeting with AG Barr immediately.
* Sworn statements from two Ukrainian officials admitting that their agency tried to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton. The effort included leaking an alleged ledger showing payments to then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort;
* Contacts between Democratic figures in Washington and Ukrainian officials that involved passing along dirt on Donald Trump;
* Financial records showing a Ukrainian natural gas company routed more than $3 million to American accounts tied to Hunter Biden, younger son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, who managed U.S.-Ukrainian relations for the Obama administration. Biden's son served on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings;
* Records that Vice President Biden pressured Ukrainian officials in March 2016 to fire the prosecutor who oversaw an investigation of Burisma Holdings and who planned to interview Hunter Biden about the financial transfers;
* Correspondence showing members of the State Department and U.S. embassy in Kiev interfered or applied pressure in criminal cases on Ukrainian soil;
* Disbursements of as much as $7 billion in Ukrainian funds that prosecutors believe may have been misappropriated or taken out of the country, including to the United States.
Booray said:
POTUS asked an ally dependent on U.S. military protection and foreign aid to investigate a political rival. That is wrong. Period, end of story.
I don't care if it is illegal or impeachable. It is wrong and no way to run a country. Minimize it all you want, but in doing so you are further degrading the country we all love.
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
Please show evidence that he threatened to deny aid...Booray said:
A series of response all ignoring this from my post:
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
POTUS should not come anywhere close to making it appear that aid is dependent on investigating one of his political rivals (or protecting one of his political allies). If that happened in Ukraine before 2016 it is just as wrong. Its pretty simple: aid and military support decisions-particularly those around Russia--have to be made solely based on what is best for the United States strategic interests. POTUS actions certainly make it appear that he was basing his decisions on what was best for him politically.
On Monday, The Washington Post first reported that the President had directed his acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to freeze nearly $400 million of US military and security aid to Ukraine in the days before he spoke with Zelensky.contrario said:Please show evidence that he threatened to deny aid...Booray said:
A series of response all ignoring this from my post:
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
POTUS should not come anywhere close to making it appear that aid is dependent on investigating one of his political rivals (or protecting one of his political allies). If that happened in Ukraine before 2016 it is just as wrong. Its pretty simple: aid and military support decisions-particularly those around Russia--have to be made solely based on what is best for the United States strategic interests. POTUS actions certainly make it appear that he was basing his decisions on what was best for him politically.
To advance his own interest? lmaoBooray said:On Monday, The Washington Post first reported that the President had directed his acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to freeze nearly $400 million of US military and security aid to Ukraine in the days before he spoke with Zelensky.contrario said:Please show evidence that he threatened to deny aid...Booray said:
A series of response all ignoring this from my post:
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
POTUS should not come anywhere close to making it appear that aid is dependent on investigating one of his political rivals (or protecting one of his political allies). If that happened in Ukraine before 2016 it is just as wrong. Its pretty simple: aid and military support decisions-particularly those around Russia--have to be made solely based on what is best for the United States strategic interests. POTUS actions certainly make it appear that he was basing his decisions on what was best for him politically.
He kept aid from Ukraine until a bi-partisan congress practically forced him to hand it over. Just because he was smart enough to not explicitly tie the two together doesn't mean the rest of the world cannot connect the dots.
I suppose if you don't have a videotape of him shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, there is no possibility that he ever did anything wrong.
This set-up probably gives him legal cover and I am not sure he needs political cover. But acting like there is zero possibility that he was using US foreign policy to advance his own interests is just dumb.
I didn't say there is zero possibility, nice straw man though. I'm just asking for evidence, not inferences. That really isn't much to ask for.Booray said:On Monday, The Washington Post first reported that the President had directed his acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to freeze nearly $400 million of US military and security aid to Ukraine in the days before he spoke with Zelensky.contrario said:Please show evidence that he threatened to deny aid...Booray said:
A series of response all ignoring this from my post:
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
POTUS should not come anywhere close to making it appear that aid is dependent on investigating one of his political rivals (or protecting one of his political allies). If that happened in Ukraine before 2016 it is just as wrong. Its pretty simple: aid and military support decisions-particularly those around Russia--have to be made solely based on what is best for the United States strategic interests. POTUS actions certainly make it appear that he was basing his decisions on what was best for him politically.
He kept aid from Ukraine until a bi-partisan congress practically forced him to hand it over. Just because he was smart enough to not explicitly tie the two together doesn't mean the rest of the world cannot connect the dots.
I suppose if you don't have a videotape of him shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, there is no possibility that he ever did anything wrong.
This set-up probably gives him legal cover and I am not sure he needs political cover. But acting like there is zero possibility that he was using US foreign policy to advance his own interests is just dumb.
Don't forget Trump gets 2 scoops of ice cream and everyone else only gets 1. Dam Traitor....corncob pipe said:Booray said:
POTUS asked an ally dependent on U.S. military protection and foreign aid to investigate a political rival. That is wrong. Period, end of story.
I don't care if it is illegal or impeachable. It is wrong and no way to run a country. Minimize it all you want, but in doing so you are further degrading the country we all love.
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
Couple this outrage with the hurricane "sharpie" incident and I believe you've got him....
This seems like a thin reed on which to hang impeachment of a president. He said he wanted Europe to pay more & that sounds reasonable.Booray said:On Monday, The Washington Post first reported that the President had directed his acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to freeze nearly $400 million of US military and security aid to Ukraine in the days before he spoke with Zelensky.contrario said:Please show evidence that he threatened to deny aid...Booray said:
A series of response all ignoring this from my post:
P.S. I have no idea if either Biden needs investigating. If they do, there are other ways to go about it.
POTUS should not come anywhere close to making it appear that aid is dependent on investigating one of his political rivals (or protecting one of his political allies). If that happened in Ukraine before 2016 it is just as wrong. Its pretty simple: aid and military support decisions-particularly those around Russia--have to be made solely based on what is best for the United States strategic interests. POTUS actions certainly make it appear that he was basing his decisions on what was best for him politically.
He kept aid from Ukraine until a bi-partisan congress practically forced him to hand it over. Just because he was smart enough to not explicitly tie the two together doesn't mean the rest of the world cannot connect the dots.