So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

Booray said:

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So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

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I watched the press conference. It's amazing how they can spin something someone say when they specifically said this was not the case when explaining.

I would hate to be a politician knowing the media has immunity to lie and spin the story anyway they want.

riflebear said:

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Booray said:

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So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

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I watched the press conference. It's amazing how they can spin something someone say when they specifically said this was not the case when explaining.

I would hate to be a politician knowing the media has immunity to lie and spin the story anyway they want.

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Did he not say these exact words?

Did he [Trump] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the D.N.C. server? Absolutely. No question about that," he said. "But that's it, and that's why we held up the money.

The avalanche of career diplomats who were willing to tell congress that this was all part of a concerted effort to get the Ukranian government to help President Trump's campaign made it clear that ?no quid pro quo" would no longer fly, even among the reality challenged. So now it is: yes we demanded it, yes we used the foreign aid as leverage, but that is ok.

I really don't see the point of the impeachment at this point,. Trump has admitted the conduct. People are either ok with that type of conduct in a president or not. There aren't enough republicans with the spine to convict, so lets just leave it up to the voters in 2020.

But drain the swamp my ass. He is as crooked and dirty as they come.

Mulvaney is trying to pull a fast one. Notice how he stays away from mentioning Biden in connection to the withheld funds, this is the administration saying "yes we withheld the money, but it was about 2016 not 2020 and there's nothing wrong with that". Nevermind that the "Ukraine has the DNC servers" thing is insane (and comes from Russian Mafia connected Dmitry Firtash, crazy how these guys are always trying to deflect blame away from Russia...). Sad thing is, Trump's base is dumb enough to run with it.

Booray said:

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riflebear said:

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Booray said:

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So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

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I watched the press conference. It's amazing how they can spin something someone say when they specifically said this was not the case when explaining.

I would hate to be a politician knowing the media has immunity to lie and spin the story anyway they want.

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Did he not say these exact words?

Did he [Trump] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the D.N.C. server? Absolutely. No question about that," he said. "But that's it, and that's why we held up the money.

The avalanche of career diplomats who were willing to tell congress that this was all part of a concerted effort to get the Ukranian government to help President Trump's campaign made it clear that ?no quid pro quo" would no longer fly, even among the reality challenged. So now it is: yes we demanded it, yes we used the foreign aid as leverage, but that is ok.

I really don't see the point of the impeachment at this point,. Trump has admitted the conduct. People are either ok with that type of conduct in a president or not. There aren't enough republicans with the spine to convict, so lets just leave it up to the voters in 2020.

But drain the swamp my ass. He is as crooked and dirty as they come.

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Quid pro quo was never related to the server of the 2016 election and Ukraine corruption. It was about Biden. Clearly the favor WAS NOT about Biden. What avalanche are you talking about? Right now, these interviews are being conducted in secret except for the chosen leaks from the Democratic party. Clearly, if they had anything impeachable by now, we'd be there.

fadskier said:

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Booray said:

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riflebear said:

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Booray said:

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So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

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I watched the press conference. It's amazing how they can spin something someone say when they specifically said this was not the case when explaining.

I would hate to be a politician knowing the media has immunity to lie and spin the story anyway they want.

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Did he not say these exact words?

Did he [Trump] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the D.N.C. server? Absolutely. No question about that," he said. "But that's it, and that's why we held up the money.

The avalanche of career diplomats who were willing to tell congress that this was all part of a concerted effort to get the Ukranian government to help President Trump's campaign made it clear that ?no quid pro quo" would no longer fly, even among the reality challenged. So now it is: yes we demanded it, yes we used the foreign aid as leverage, but that is ok.

I really don't see the point of the impeachment at this point,. Trump has admitted the conduct. People are either ok with that type of conduct in a president or not. There aren't enough republicans with the spine to convict, so lets just leave it up to the voters in 2020.

But drain the swamp my ass. He is as crooked and dirty as they come.

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Quid pro quo was never related to the server of the 2016 election and Ukraine corruption. It was about Biden. Clearly the favor WAS NOT about Biden. What avalanche are you talking about? Right now, these interviews are being conducted in secret except for the chosen leaks from the Democratic party. Clearly, if they had anything impeachable by now, we'd be there.

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You would buy the London Bridge from DJT.

HuMcK said:

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Mulvaney is trying to pull a fast one. Notice how he stays away from mentioning Biden in connection to the withheld funds, this is the administration saying "yes we withheld the money, but it was about 2016 not 2020 and there's nothing wrong with that". Nevermind that the "Ukraine has the DNC servers" thing is insane (and comes from Russian Mafia connected Dmitry Firtash, crazy how these guys are always trying to deflect blame away from Russia...). Sad thing is, Trump's base is dumb enough to run with it.

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The truly sad thing is the left is dumb enough to think those who oppose them only do so out of support for Trump. The reality is, we right thinking people are willing to tolerate even a Trump over against the policy ideas and platform of the neo-fascists of the left.

fadskier said:

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Booray said:

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riflebear said:

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Booray said:

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So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

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I watched the press conference. It's amazing how they can spin something someone say when they specifically said this was not the case when explaining.

I would hate to be a politician knowing the media has immunity to lie and spin the story anyway they want.

---

Did he not say these exact words?

Did he [Trump] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the D.N.C. server? Absolutely. No question about that," he said. "But that's it, and that's why we held up the money.

The avalanche of career diplomats who were willing to tell congress that this was all part of a concerted effort to get the Ukranian government to help President Trump's campaign made it clear that ?no quid pro quo" would no longer fly, even among the reality challenged. So now it is: yes we demanded it, yes we used the foreign aid as leverage, but that is ok.

I really don't see the point of the impeachment at this point,. Trump has admitted the conduct. People are either ok with that type of conduct in a president or not. There aren't enough republicans with the spine to convict, so lets just leave it up to the voters in 2020.

But drain the swamp my ass. He is as crooked and dirty as they come.

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Quid pro quo was never related to the server of the 2016 election and Ukraine corruption. It was about Biden. Clearly the favor WAS NOT about Biden. What avalanche are you talking about? Right now, these interviews are being conducted in secret except for the chosen leaks from the Democratic party. Clearly, if they had anything impeachable by now, we'd be there.

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Chuckle, of course it was about Biden. Mulvaney admitted that's how they do business.

curtpenn said:

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HuMcK said:

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Mulvaney is trying to pull a fast one. Notice how he stays away from mentioning Biden in connection to the withheld funds, this is the administration saying "yes we withheld the money, but it was about 2016 not 2020 and there's nothing wrong with that". Nevermind that the "Ukraine has the DNC servers" thing is insane (and comes from Russian Mafia connected Dmitry Firtash, crazy how these guys are always trying to deflect blame away from Russia...). Sad thing is, Trump's base is dumb enough to run with it.

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The truly sad thing is the left is dumb enough to think those who oppose them only do so out of support for Trump. The reality is, we right thinking people are willing to tolerate even a Trump over against the policy ideas and platform of the neo-fascists of the left.

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I get it, you realize Trump sucks and is a terrible human being, so you keep reciting your "the left is worse" mantra over and over as a form of self-assurance. That's your own idiocy, not mine. Pretty ironic though to call "the left" neo-fascists as Republicans assert their belief that Trump is above the law and not subject to any legal oversight whatsoever, but you keep doing you.

Booray said:

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fadskier said:

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Booray said:

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riflebear said:

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Booray said:

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So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

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I watched the press conference. It's amazing how they can spin something someone say when they specifically said this was not the case when explaining.

I would hate to be a politician knowing the media has immunity to lie and spin the story anyway they want.

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Did he not say these exact words?

Did he [Trump] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the D.N.C. server? Absolutely. No question about that," he said. "But that's it, and that's why we held up the money.

The avalanche of career diplomats who were willing to tell congress that this was all part of a concerted effort to get the Ukranian government to help President Trump's campaign made it clear that ?no quid pro quo" would no longer fly, even among the reality challenged. So now it is: yes we demanded it, yes we used the foreign aid as leverage, but that is ok.

I really don't see the point of the impeachment at this point,. Trump has admitted the conduct. People are either ok with that type of conduct in a president or not. There aren't enough republicans with the spine to convict, so lets just leave it up to the voters in 2020.

But drain the swamp my ass. He is as crooked and dirty as they come.

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Quid pro quo was never related to the server of the 2016 election and Ukraine corruption. It was about Biden. Clearly the favor WAS NOT about Biden. What avalanche are you talking about? Right now, these interviews are being conducted in secret except for the chosen leaks from the Democratic party. Clearly, if they had anything impeachable by now, we'd be there.

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You would buy the London Bridge from DJT.

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Nope. I don't believe everything he says, but I've read the transcript of the call. The favor was specific to the server from 2016.

Booray said:

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fadskier said:

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Booray said:

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riflebear said:

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Booray said:

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So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

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I watched the press conference. It's amazing how they can spin something someone say when they specifically said this was not the case when explaining.

I would hate to be a politician knowing the media has immunity to lie and spin the story anyway they want.

---

Did he not say these exact words?

Did he [Trump] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the D.N.C. server? Absolutely. No question about that," he said. "But that's it, and that's why we held up the money.

The avalanche of career diplomats who were willing to tell congress that this was all part of a concerted effort to get the Ukranian government to help President Trump's campaign made it clear that ?no quid pro quo" would no longer fly, even among the reality challenged. So now it is: yes we demanded it, yes we used the foreign aid as leverage, but that is ok.

I really don't see the point of the impeachment at this point,. Trump has admitted the conduct. People are either ok with that type of conduct in a president or not. There aren't enough republicans with the spine to convict, so lets just leave it up to the voters in 2020.

But drain the swamp my ass. He is as crooked and dirty as they come.

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Quid pro quo was never related to the server of the 2016 election and Ukraine corruption. It was about Biden. Clearly the favor WAS NOT about Biden. What avalanche are you talking about? Right now, these interviews are being conducted in secret except for the chosen leaks from the Democratic party. Clearly, if they had anything impeachable by now, we'd be there.

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You would buy the London Bridge from DJT.

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There is nothing about Biden in here:

"I would like you to do us a favor though
because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with
this whole siuation with Ukraine, they s_ay Crowdstrike ... I guess
you have one of your weal thy people... The server, they say
Ukraine has.it There- are a lot. of things that went on, the
:whole situation .. I think you 1 re _surrounding yourself with some
of the same people. I .

would like to have the Attorney General
call you or your people and I would like you t get to the
bottom of it. As you sa yestrday, that whole nonsetise ended
with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Muele_r, an
incompetent performance-, _but they. say a lot of it started with
Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you. do it
if that's possible."

This is directly copied from the transcript. Immediately after this Zelensky answers. Biden doesn't come up until later and there is no word "favor."

If reading is difficult, perhaps have someone else read it for you.

curtpenn said:

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HuMcK said:

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Mulvaney is trying to pull a fast one. Notice how he stays away from mentioning Biden in connection to the withheld funds, this is the administration saying "yes we withheld the money, but it was about 2016 not 2020 and there's nothing wrong with that". Nevermind that the "Ukraine has the DNC servers" thing is insane (and comes from Russian Mafia connected Dmitry Firtash, crazy how these guys are always trying to deflect blame away from Russia...). Sad thing is, Trump's base is dumb enough to run with it.

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The truly sad thing is the left is dumb enough to think those who oppose them only do so out of support for Trump. The reality is, we right thinking people are willing to tolerate even a Trump over against the policy ideas and platform of the neo-fascists of the left.

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The truly sad thing is the Trumpsters are dumb enough to think those who oppose them only do so out of support for the left. The reality is, we right-thinking people oppose Trump over policy mis-steps, lies, obstruction of justice and corrosion of our civic institutions.
FIFM.

quash said:

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curtpenn said:

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HuMcK said:

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Mulvaney is trying to pull a fast one. Notice how he stays away from mentioning Biden in connection to the withheld funds, this is the administration saying "yes we withheld the money, but it was about 2016 not 2020 and there's nothing wrong with that". Nevermind that the "Ukraine has the DNC servers" thing is insane (and comes from Russian Mafia connected Dmitry Firtash, crazy how these guys are always trying to deflect blame away from Russia...). Sad thing is, Trump's base is dumb enough to run with it.

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The truly sad thing is the left is dumb enough to think those who oppose them only do so out of support for Trump. The reality is, we right thinking people are willing to tolerate even a Trump over against the policy ideas and platform of the neo-fascists of the left.

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The truly sad thing is the Trumpsters are dumb enough to think those who oppose them only do so out of support for the left. The reality is, we right-thinking people oppose Trump over policy mis-steps, lies, obstruction of justice and corrosion of our civic institutions.
FIFM.

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I think the issue is that we don't all agree that he's done those things.

fadskier said:

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Booray said:

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fadskier said:

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Booray said:

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riflebear said:

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Booray said:

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So apparently it was a quid pro quo, just an appropriate one?

Apologies all around to the whistleblower?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-news.html?campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=17989&user_id=c2abe1d2d1a3a1fe920616481e5dc710®i_id=98308315ing-news

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I watched the press conference. It's amazing how they can spin something someone say when they specifically said this was not the case when explaining.

I would hate to be a politician knowing the media has immunity to lie and spin the story anyway they want.

---

Did he not say these exact words?

Did he [Trump] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the D.N.C. server? Absolutely. No question about that," he said. "But that's it, and that's why we held up the money.

The avalanche of career diplomats who were willing to tell congress that this was all part of a concerted effort to get the Ukranian government to help President Trump's campaign made it clear that ?no quid pro quo" would no longer fly, even among the reality challenged. So now it is: yes we demanded it, yes we used the foreign aid as leverage, but that is ok.

I really don't see the point of the impeachment at this point,. Trump has admitted the conduct. People are either ok with that type of conduct in a president or not. There aren't enough republicans with the spine to convict, so lets just leave it up to the voters in 2020.

But drain the swamp my ass. He is as crooked and dirty as they come.

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Quid pro quo was never related to the server of the 2016 election and Ukraine corruption. It was about Biden. Clearly the favor WAS NOT about Biden. What avalanche are you talking about? Right now, these interviews are being conducted in secret except for the chosen leaks from the Democratic party. Clearly, if they had anything impeachable by now, we'd be there.

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You would buy the London Bridge from DJT.

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There is nothing about Biden in here:

"I would like you to do us a favor though
because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with
this whole siuation with Ukraine, they s_ay Crowdstrike ... I guess
you have one of your weal thy people... The server, they say
Ukraine has.it There- are a lot. of things that went on, the
:whole situation .. I think you 1 re _surrounding yourself with some
of the same people. I .

would like to have the Attorney General
call you or your people and I would like you t get to the
bottom of it. As you sa yestrday, that whole nonsetise ended
with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Muele_r, an
incompetent performance-, _but they. say a lot of it started with
Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you. do it
if that's possible."

This is directly copied from the transcript. Immediately after this Zelensky answers. Biden doesn't come up until later and there is no word "favor."

If reading is difficult, perhaps have someone else read it for you.

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Is it possible your were unable to read from page 3 to 4 of the transcript? Also, when the Godfather says a special favor, its special, and when he says "The Other Thing--thats the real thing. Capiche?

Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great.4 The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

fadskier said:

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Yes, I understand that you want to read into things.

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Having spent a few years in Business meetings, when we are looking to secure a deal, and the Client says, I need a favor, and then, toward the close of the conversation he mentions the other thing, no credible business person I know would mistake the meaning. The only people not understanding the meaning are those who if Trump urinated on their heads, would call it rain.

"These hos ain't loyal. "

"" Donald Trump