Yep, that's exactly what it was. Pay to play.corncob pipe said:
It's a pay to play money tree...
And all this time I thought Joe was just a good ole representative of the people... spending a lifetime of public servitude, fighting tooth and nail for the middle class...!?!?
Of course not.ScottS said:
Do Cinque and 1947 care?
Is it even "proof" of payment? Far as I can tell they are unverified documents allegedly from a Latvian (?) Intel Service, being posted online by some random guy with no journalistic bona fides. Plus like you say, payments by themselves don't show much without any corresponding improper acts.Booray said:
That is proof of payment. Proof of corruption would be an illegal act in exchange for the payment.
You don't have to investigate President Trump for corruption. He and his family do it openly, promoting their brand and hotels through the office.Justin Kates said:
You folks are LAUGHABLE. 'Investigators' just spent the better part of 3 years trying to pin corruption on a sitting Prez and came up with NOTHING. Then, big time payments to THOSE SAME POWER PLAYERS' families surface and it's 'only proof of money changing hands', 'dont see any corruption there'.
You folks DONT WANT TO SEE CORRUPTION. Or dont recognize what corruption looks like.
Corruption looks like the Washington elite families showing up and profiting from US Treasury in places where we are handing out billions of dollars in 'aid'.
At least the Bidens, Kerrys, and Pelosis are caught up in this. It would not surprise me in the least if there were families on both sides of the aisle that get exposed in this. Who knows... Romney? McCain?
Well, I guess it is evidence. What it proves is nothing.HuMcK said:Is it even "proof" of payment? Far as I can tell they are unverified documents allegedly from a Latvian (?) Intel Service, being posted online by some random guy with no journalistic bona fides. Plus like you say, payments by themselves don't show much without any corresponding improper acts.Booray said:
That is proof of payment. Proof of corruption would be an illegal act in exchange for the payment.
Not necessarily. For example, Rosemont Seneca also created an equity firm in partnership with China, funded by the Chinese government via the Bank of China, which in turn partnered with the Chinese state-owned military contractor AVIC to obtain control of Henniges, a manufacturer of dual-use technology, with the approval of CFIUS under the Obama administration and John Kerry's State Department. AVIC is well known for stealing American technology to compete with American companies and supply the Chinese military.Booray said:
That is proof of payment. Proof of corruption would be an illegal act in exchange for the payment.
Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
This was last year. I'm sure it's more now.quash said:So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
Quote:
Revenue from Trump-branded ties, whiskies, MAGA hats and other merchandise has plummeted to just $3 million from $23 million in 2015. "He has significantly tarnished the brand," licensing expert Jeff Lotman told Forbes.
Additionally:
- Revenue at his golf clubs is down by 9 percent, in part because of the increased security that guests have to go through to attend the resorts.
- Trump Tower condos are down 33 percent from their highs, and have fallen every year since Trump announced his run for the presidency.
- Overall hotel revenue is down by $30 million since Trump announced he was running for president and three major Trump-branded hotels have even stripped his name from their properties.
If course I do. But Trump has made business mistakes in the past.Doc Holliday said:This was last year. I'm sure it's more now.quash said:So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221
Unless this NBC article is fake news?Quote:
Revenue from Trump-branded ties, whiskies, MAGA hats and other merchandise has plummeted to just $3 million from $23 million in 2015. "He has significantly tarnished the brand," licensing expert Jeff Lotman told Forbes.
Additionally:
- Revenue at his golf clubs is down by 9 percent, in part because of the increased security that guests have to go through to attend the resorts.
- Trump Tower condos are down 33 percent from their highs, and have fallen every year since Trump announced his run for the presidency.
- Overall hotel revenue is down by $30 million since Trump announced he was running for president and three major Trump-branded hotels have even stripped his name from their properties.
Please tell me you don't actually think Trump is doing this for the money?
He clearly didn't run to make money and you base your opinion of him on MSM.quash said:If course I do. But Trump has made business mistakes in the past.Doc Holliday said:This was last year. I'm sure it's more now.quash said:So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221
Unless this NBC article is fake news?Quote:
Revenue from Trump-branded ties, whiskies, MAGA hats and other merchandise has plummeted to just $3 million from $23 million in 2015. "He has significantly tarnished the brand," licensing expert Jeff Lotman told Forbes.
Additionally:
- Revenue at his golf clubs is down by 9 percent, in part because of the increased security that guests have to go through to attend the resorts.
- Trump Tower condos are down 33 percent from their highs, and have fallen every year since Trump announced his run for the presidency.
- Overall hotel revenue is down by $30 million since Trump announced he was running for president and three major Trump-branded hotels have even stripped his name from their properties.
Please tell me you don't actually think Trump is doing this for the money?
Doc Holliday said:He clearly didn't run to make money and you base your opinion of him on MSM.quash said:If course I do. But Trump has made business mistakes in the past.Doc Holliday said:This was last year. I'm sure it's more now.quash said:So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221
Unless this NBC article is fake news?Quote:
Revenue from Trump-branded ties, whiskies, MAGA hats and other merchandise has plummeted to just $3 million from $23 million in 2015. "He has significantly tarnished the brand," licensing expert Jeff Lotman told Forbes.
Additionally:
- Revenue at his golf clubs is down by 9 percent, in part because of the increased security that guests have to go through to attend the resorts.
- Trump Tower condos are down 33 percent from their highs, and have fallen every year since Trump announced his run for the presidency.
- Overall hotel revenue is down by $30 million since Trump announced he was running for president and three major Trump-branded hotels have even stripped his name from their properties.
Please tell me you don't actually think Trump is doing this for the money?
You have everything backwards: Obama is worth millions. Clinton's are with hundreds of millions. All while holding office. Yet you hate Trump and he's lost tens of millions.
At some point you have to look at the numbers dude. They say a lot more than appearances.
No.Booray said:
What is clear is that he has promoted his private interests far more than any one to ever occupy the Oval Office.
I linked an article showing the massive losses. You have nothing to offer to prove he's making bank off being POTUS.quash said:Doc Holliday said:He clearly didn't run to make money and you base your opinion of him on MSM.quash said:If course I do. But Trump has made business mistakes in the past.Doc Holliday said:This was last year. I'm sure it's more now.quash said:So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221
Unless this NBC article is fake news?Quote:
Revenue from Trump-branded ties, whiskies, MAGA hats and other merchandise has plummeted to just $3 million from $23 million in 2015. "He has significantly tarnished the brand," licensing expert Jeff Lotman told Forbes.
Additionally:
- Revenue at his golf clubs is down by 9 percent, in part because of the increased security that guests have to go through to attend the resorts.
- Trump Tower condos are down 33 percent from their highs, and have fallen every year since Trump announced his run for the presidency.
- Overall hotel revenue is down by $30 million since Trump announced he was running for president and three major Trump-branded hotels have even stripped his name from their properties.
Please tell me you don't actually think Trump is doing this for the money?
You have everything backwards: Obama is worth millions. Clinton's are with hundreds of millions. All while holding office. Yet you hate Trump and he's lost tens of millions.
At some point you have to look at the numbers dude. They say a lot more than appearances.
Wrong. So much wrong.
I know it would radically change how you post but you need to stick to what you can prove
BFD. Clinton is an ex-president. In office we have an emoluments clause. I "bash" Trump over a constitutional difference. You use whataboutism over ideology.Doc Holliday said:I linked an article showing the massive losses. You have nothing to offer to prove he's making bank off being POTUS.quash said:Doc Holliday said:He clearly didn't run to make money and you base your opinion of him on MSM.quash said:If course I do. But Trump has made business mistakes in the past.Doc Holliday said:This was last year. I'm sure it's more now.quash said:So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221
Unless this NBC article is fake news?Quote:
Revenue from Trump-branded ties, whiskies, MAGA hats and other merchandise has plummeted to just $3 million from $23 million in 2015. "He has significantly tarnished the brand," licensing expert Jeff Lotman told Forbes.
Additionally:
- Revenue at his golf clubs is down by 9 percent, in part because of the increased security that guests have to go through to attend the resorts.
- Trump Tower condos are down 33 percent from their highs, and have fallen every year since Trump announced his run for the presidency.
- Overall hotel revenue is down by $30 million since Trump announced he was running for president and three major Trump-branded hotels have even stripped his name from their properties.
Please tell me you don't actually think Trump is doing this for the money?
You have everything backwards: Obama is worth millions. Clinton's are with hundreds of millions. All while holding office. Yet you hate Trump and he's lost tens of millions.
At some point you have to look at the numbers dude. They say a lot more than appearances.
Wrong. So much wrong.
I know it would radically change how you post but you need to stick to what you can prove
It's odd to me that you bash Trump...but during the eight years of Obama's presidency, the Clinton Foundation reported total revenue of more than $1.1 billion and The Clinton net worth reaching 7 figures!
Sam Lowry said:No.Booray said:
What is clear is that he has promoted his private interests far more than any one to ever occupy the Oval Office.
Doc Holliday said:I linked an article showing the massive losses. You have nothing to offer to prove he's making bank off being POTUS.quash said:Doc Holliday said:He clearly didn't run to make money and you base your opinion of him on MSM.quash said:If course I do. But Trump has made business mistakes in the past.Doc Holliday said:This was last year. I'm sure it's more now.quash said:So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221
Unless this NBC article is fake news?Quote:
Revenue from Trump-branded ties, whiskies, MAGA hats and other merchandise has plummeted to just $3 million from $23 million in 2015. "He has significantly tarnished the brand," licensing expert Jeff Lotman told Forbes.
Additionally:
- Revenue at his golf clubs is down by 9 percent, in part because of the increased security that guests have to go through to attend the resorts.
- Trump Tower condos are down 33 percent from their highs, and have fallen every year since Trump announced his run for the presidency.
- Overall hotel revenue is down by $30 million since Trump announced he was running for president and three major Trump-branded hotels have even stripped his name from their properties.
Please tell me you don't actually think Trump is doing this for the money?
You have everything backwards: Obama is worth millions. Clinton's are with hundreds of millions. All while holding office. Yet you hate Trump and he's lost tens of millions.
At some point you have to look at the numbers dude. They say a lot more than appearances.
Wrong. So much wrong.
I know it would radically change how you post but you need to stick to what you can prove
It's odd to me that you bash Trump...but during the eight years of Obama's presidency, the Clinton Foundation reported total revenue of more than $1.1 billion and The Clinton net worth reaching 7 figures!
We've already seen his returns for a year that Rachel Maddow smugly released live air and embarrassed herself because it showed Trump paid a higher percentage in taxes than every single candidate.Booray said:Doc Holliday said:I linked an article showing the massive losses. You have nothing to offer to prove he's making bank off being POTUS.quash said:Doc Holliday said:He clearly didn't run to make money and you base your opinion of him on MSM.quash said:If course I do. But Trump has made business mistakes in the past.Doc Holliday said:This was last year. I'm sure it's more now.quash said:So, you've seem his tax returns? Awesome.Doc Holliday said:POTUS has lost nearly a billion since taking office.quash said:International bigwigs. Great for the brand. All the best people.Sam Lowry said:Trump's hotel brand is based on his name and notoriety, not the fact that some anonymous diplomats spent the night there.quash said:
How do you donate branding to charity?
He's not there to enrich himself like Nancy Pelosi or Obama.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221
Unless this NBC article is fake news?Quote:
Revenue from Trump-branded ties, whiskies, MAGA hats and other merchandise has plummeted to just $3 million from $23 million in 2015. "He has significantly tarnished the brand," licensing expert Jeff Lotman told Forbes.
Additionally:
- Revenue at his golf clubs is down by 9 percent, in part because of the increased security that guests have to go through to attend the resorts.
- Trump Tower condos are down 33 percent from their highs, and have fallen every year since Trump announced his run for the presidency.
- Overall hotel revenue is down by $30 million since Trump announced he was running for president and three major Trump-branded hotels have even stripped his name from their properties.
Please tell me you don't actually think Trump is doing this for the money?
You have everything backwards: Obama is worth millions. Clinton's are with hundreds of millions. All while holding office. Yet you hate Trump and he's lost tens of millions.
At some point you have to look at the numbers dude. They say a lot more than appearances.
Wrong. So much wrong.
I know it would radically change how you post but you need to stick to what you can prove
It's odd to me that you bash Trump...but during the eight years of Obama's presidency, the Clinton Foundation reported total revenue of more than $1.1 billion and The Clinton net worth reaching 7 figures!
This would probably be easier to figure out if he would release his tax returns. The man is a bald-faced liar. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
The Clinton's and Obama's net worths have increased by factors of anywhere from 30-50 times from the point prior to election. If Trump experienced a similar windfall he'd become the wealthiest individual in the world by a significant amount. I'm going to predict now that won't happen. Trump was a promoter prior to obtaining office, so I'm not shocked that his commercialism never truly stopped. But the exponential wealth factor generated by the political power play, during and post Presidency, is much more concerning to me and should be to all.Booray said:Sam Lowry said:No.Booray said:
What is clear is that he has promoted his private interests far more than any one to ever occupy the Oval Office.
Yes.
By constantly conducting state business at his private properties he gets the benefit of direct revenue and the benefit of free advertising. His aborted selection of his own hotel to host G-7 was just a gross overreach. The US has 500 resorts that could host that summit. How in the world can you justify that conflict of interest?
He tweets about his clubs, has aircrews stay at his places,. Kellyanne Conway shills for Ivanka's clothing brand. Who knows we're all the MAGA merchandise money goes. Don Jr sells his attempt at literature.
It literally never ends.
ATL Bear said:The Clinton's and Obama's net worths have increased by factors of anywhere from 30-50 times from the point prior to election. If Trump experienced a similar windfall he'd become the wealthiest individual in the world by a significant amount. I'm going to predict now that won't happen. Trump was a promoter prior to obtaining office, so I'm not shocked that his commercialism never truly stopped. But the exponential wealth factor generated by the political power play, during and post Presidency, is much more concerning to me and should be to all.Booray said:Sam Lowry said:No.Booray said:
What is clear is that he has promoted his private interests far more than any one to ever occupy the Oval Office.
Yes.
By constantly conducting state business at his private properties he gets the benefit of direct revenue and the benefit of free advertising. His aborted selection of his own hotel to host G-7 was just a gross overreach. The US has 500 resorts that could host that summit. How in the world can you justify that conflict of interest?
He tweets about his clubs, has aircrews stay at his places,. Kellyanne Conway shills for Ivanka's clothing brand. Who knows we're all the MAGA merchandise money goes. Don Jr sells his attempt at literature.
It literally never ends.