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Wineguy89 said:

Baylor3216 said:

Friend of mine in Sri Lanka says over 15,000 people reported dead


Terrifying if true.....sure wish we could get the real facts on this out of there.
Facts are out there, you just need to know where to look. I recommend the following sites:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338689521_Bioinformatics_analysis_of_the_Wuhan_2019_novel_coronavirus_genome

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-02-coronavirus-ncov-largest-meta-analysis-sequenced.html

https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/249868-novel-coronavirus-what-we-know-so-far

At this time, the virus can effectively be described as similar but weaker to the SARS virus (also a coronavirus) discovered in 2012, but not related to the MERS virus (also a coronavirus)

The term 'coronavirus' refers to a virus which is so-called due to the spiked-protein shape of the virus,

https://www.livescience.com/what-are-coronaviruses.html

and coronaviruses can be shared between mammals and avians, including bats. The first coronaviruses were identified in the 1960s. When a new coronavirus is discovered, it is initially designated Novel until a formal name is assigned. Prior to the Wuhan outbreak, six strains of human coronaviruses had been identified:

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  • Human coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E)
  • Human coronavirus OC43 (HCoV-OC43)
  • Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS-CoV)
  • Human coronavirus NL63 (HCoV-NL63, New Haven coronavirus)
  • Human coronavirus HKU1
  • Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (MERS-CoV), previously known as novel coronavirus 2012 and HCoV-EMC.
  • [/ol]

    The new variant discovered in Wuhan has been named COVID-19 by the World Health Organization

    https://www.sciencealert.com/who-has-finally-named-the-deadly-coronavirus

    The Chinese government failed to quickly identify and contain the initial outbreak, delaying analysis and response. The more recent response from the Beijing government has been far more satisfying, including the inclusion of virologists from around the world, especially Singapore and Japan (a tacit acknowledgment that the PRC considers this serious, as they seldom want to cooperate with Japan on much of anything), the rushed construction of two hospitals specially for COVID-19 patients (more on why that's important in a moment), and over 57 million Chinese citizens in sixteen cities have been locked from entering or leaving.

    The known qualities of COVID-19 include an average incubation period of 5.2 days (ranging from 2 to 10 days, making the 15-day quarantine period a little more than necessary but an appropriate precaution), an average age of patient around 49, male-to-female ratio of patients is 2.75 to 1. Fatality rate from COVID-19 is about 2% worldwide, but is much higher when the patient is over 60, and when the patient is in close proximity to other COVID-19 patients.

    1,116 people are known to have died from COVID-19 so far, but only 2 outside mainland China. In fact, over 90% of deaths from COVID-19 occurred in the Hubei Province, and 80% within the limits of Wuhan itself. This is both good news and bad news. It suggests that the virus can be spread relatively easily when antiseptic precautions are not taken, but it's actually less likely to kill you than other more common virus variants.

    For comparison, over eighty thousand people died from the flu last year in the United States,

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-flu-deaths-20180926-story.html

    a number which gets surprisingly little attention, probably because we have a vaccine available and because we are familiar with "ordinary" flu risks.

    The bad news from COVID-19 is that when a large number of people are infected, the virus apparently becomes much more dangerous, with a fatality rate around twenty (20%) percent in Wuhan for known cases. This would explain the videos of bodies found and left untouched, as the delay in initial response led to the virus gaining concentration. It would also explain why China is willing to accept the devastating costs of closing ports across the country and abandoning New Year's celebrations (New Year's celebrations in China generally occur in February and last for weeks with large public celebrations, but all have been cancelled this year). It would also explain why hospitals were built specifically for COVID-19 patients - China wants to protect the patients in regular hospitals from exposure to this virus.

    Experts predict that promising research indicates a vaccine will be ready by April, well in advance of normal vaccine development, and experimental treatment using the medicines used to treat SARS show very good results, although it's too soon to know if there are complications or contra-indications from such drugs for COVID-19 patients.
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    Thanks OB. I'm sorry I can only give your post 1 star
    Oldbear83
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    BearFan33 said:

    Thanks OB. I'm sorry I can only give your post 1 star
    I have a vested interest. My wife is going to HK later this month to care for her 93-year-old mom, who is in failing health.

    I'm researching everything I can on this virus, especially how to prevent her from catching it.

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    COVID-19 update February 18 2020

    First, from the CDC, 467 people have been tested in the US for the COVID-19 virus. Of those, 392 tested negative, 15 tested positive, and 60 are pending. All the patients and test subjects had been in Hubei province, China, or had direct personal contact with a patient who contracted the virus in Hubei province.

    https://www.cdc.gov/media/dpk/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus-2020.html

    The CDC has confirmed that the outbreak began in the wet markets of Wuhan, and subsequent cases were passed by person-to-person contact, always within families or married couples. Rumors of a biolab outbreak are not substantiated at all by the evidence. And this comes from the CDC, not China's health officials.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html

    Tests to reliably confirm presence of the COVID-19 virus have been available since January 24.

    The CDC has uploaded the entire genome of the virus sequence into GenBank.

    There are various media reports regarding the number of cases of COVID-19, due to disparity in standards used to confirm the presence of the virus. The overwhelming majority of cases is in mainland China, especially Hubei province, with over 72 thousand confirmed cases. Except for Japan, no other country has more than 77 known cases, and every patient has either been in Hubei province or had personal direct contact with a patient who contracted the disease in HUbei province.

    https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/coronavirus-tracker/

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    Thanks OldBear.

    I will be in Hong Kong in a few months too.
    I have found theres only two ways to go:
    Living fast or dying slow.
    I dont want to live forever.
    But I will live while I'm here.
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    william
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    pretty deadly stuff.........

    - KKM

    { sipping coffee }

    { heading to lowe's for masks and cleaning wipes and gauze }

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    https://www.foxnews.com/health/global-outbreak-causes-pandemic-fears-after-cases-jump-in-italy-and-south-korea

    Here it comes.
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    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.
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    Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman reporting their first cases.
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    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.


    Your wife is taking a big risk.
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    Jack and DP said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.


    Your wife is taking a big risk.
    Not so much. We did a ton of research and got the facts ahead.

    Besides, her 93-year-old mom is in a bad way, delaying the visit now could have been a real mistake. Not the threat from COVID-19, but from the more mundane but more legitimately serious health threats.
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    I read a report that indicated researchers at University of Texas are very close or have made significant steps to coming up with a vaccine.
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    PartyBear said:

    I read a report that indicated researchers at University of Texas are very close or have made significant steps to coming up with a vaccine.
    I'm half and half on that claim. On the one hand, it takes the better part of a year to develop a vaccine for most new viruses. On the other, Thai doctors claimed they got good results treating COVID-19 patients with the same medicines developed for the SARS virus of 2012.That suggests clinical trials could be underway right now, and we could see a vaccine tried out as early as April.

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    Jack and DP said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.


    Your wife is taking a big risk.
    A calculated risk, see his posts above.
    Oldbear83
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    quash said:

    Jack and DP said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.


    Your wife is taking a big risk.
    A calculated risk, see his posts above.
    Thank you quash.

    Amazing how much a personal stake in something drives determination to know every possible detail of it.
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    Oldbear83 said:

    quash said:

    Jack and DP said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.


    Your wife is taking a big risk.
    A calculated risk, see his posts above.
    Thank you quash.

    Amazing how much a personal stake in something drives determination to know every possible detail of it.
    Three cousins in S. Korea, I hear you.
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    quash said:

    Jack and DP said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.


    Your wife is taking a big risk.
    A calculated risk, see his posts above.
    Agreed. I went to HK last month, and will be going again this Sunday. The main risk IMO is the flight back out, not the virus. Will more countries ban flights out of HK? Would be nice to come home, and also not be quarantined.

    HK has mostly restricted entering from the mainland. It's also not near as crowded as usual. Hotels are hurting with less than 10% occupancy rates. You'll probably get the best service ever right now in Hong Kong though (kidding not kidding).
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    https://www.foxnews.com/health/austria-croatia-confirm-first-coronavirus-cases

    Is it fair to say that we have lost containment? I'm thinking so...Maybe we do our bests to keep it at bay and hope it dissipates with warmer weather?
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    BearFan33 said:

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/austria-croatia-confirm-first-coronavirus-cases

    Is it fair to say that we have lost containment? I'm thinking so...Maybe we do our bests to keep it at bay and hope it dissipates with warmer weather?
    No, that would not be a fair statement.

    Here's the thing: The problem with any new virus is that it's not expected, and so the initial vectors and prophylaxis are not predicted. That's also true of influenza variants which are commonly anticipated. If you pay attention for example, you'll see that there are at least two major strains of flu which strike the United States each year, and there is a lag between the first cases and reliable advice on which vaccine to take, because the CDC does not immediately know which direction and intensity the various strains take. Now consider the difficulty when a previously unknown strain of a virus appears, much less a completely new type of virus as we see here.

    The media also made things worse instead of better, by treating the outbreak as some kind of death wave rather than a reason to see your doctor. COVID-19 is unusual because it spreads more easily than influenza, but is milder in its effects. It's easy for Fox/CNN/etc to shriek about 2,700 deaths from the coronavirus, while ignoring the common flu has already killed sixteen thousand people in the US just in 2020, and that's an improvement from past years.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

    What's happening is that early symptoms of COVID-19 are mild enough that most victims think it's only a cols, and by the time they realize they have a virus, the media hysteria about how patients are being treated convinces many to just tough it out at home. The problem is, they have already exposed their families and community to the virus, and so a certain amount of contamination is unavoidable now.

    With that said, tracking of new cases shows that since February 13, the growth has markedly slowed, so much so that it is reasonable to say that containment is demonstrably working.

    https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/coronavirus-tracker/

    As for the vaccine, development is moving briskly, with a number of major Pharma companies chasing promising leads and clinical trials are already being scheduled. Vaccines usually take between 10 and 13 months to develop and bring into production.


    https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/gsk-gives-clover-adjuvant-for-vaccine-against-indispensable-covid-19-protein

    https://globalbiodefense.com/2020/02/23/university-of-queensland-covid-19-vaccine-goes-into-test-production/

    https://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/updated_j_and_j_expands_us_partnership_for_coronavirus_treatments_1325445

    By the way, the next time some socialist weasel wants to tear down 'Big Pharma', maybe remember we need those companies for the kind of mental muscle needed to find vaccines and treatments fast in a crisis.

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    Oldbear83 said:

    BearFan33 said:

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/austria-croatia-confirm-first-coronavirus-cases

    Is it fair to say that we have lost containment? I'm thinking so...Maybe we do our bests to keep it at bay and hope it dissipates with warmer weather?



    By the way, the next time some socialist weasel wants to tear down 'Big Pharma', maybe remember we need those companies for the kind of mental muscle needed to find vaccines and treatments fast in a crisis.


    How do you feel about Trump's proposed 20% reduction in CDC funding then?
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    Booray said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    BearFan33 said:

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/austria-croatia-confirm-first-coronavirus-cases

    Is it fair to say that we have lost containment? I'm thinking so...Maybe we do our bests to keep it at bay and hope it dissipates with warmer weather?



    By the way, the next time some socialist weasel wants to tear down 'Big Pharma', maybe remember we need those companies for the kind of mental muscle needed to find vaccines and treatments fast in a crisis.


    How do you feel about Trump's proposed 20% reduction in CDC funding then?
    I'd want to see the details, first.

    Generally, government is bloated and cuts across the board make good sense. GSK, after all, has to consider its spending in terms of value, something government never seems to do.

    And yes, that would include the military.
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    This is a real headline and Dick Pound is a real IOC member.

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    Booray said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    BearFan33 said:

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/austria-croatia-confirm-first-coronavirus-cases

    Is it fair to say that we have lost containment? I'm thinking so...Maybe we do our bests to keep it at bay and hope it dissipates with warmer weather?



    By the way, the next time some socialist weasel wants to tear down 'Big Pharma', maybe remember we need those companies for the kind of mental muscle needed to find vaccines and treatments fast in a crisis.


    How do you feel about Trump's proposed 20% reduction in CDC funding then?
    Can make it up with the "Billions of Dollars are pouring into the coffers of the U.S.A. because of the Tariffs being charged to China". ..
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    Booray said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    BearFan33 said:

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/austria-croatia-confirm-first-coronavirus-cases

    Is it fair to say that we have lost containment? I'm thinking so...Maybe we do our bests to keep it at bay and hope it dissipates with warmer weather?



    By the way, the next time some socialist weasel wants to tear down 'Big Pharma', maybe remember we need those companies for the kind of mental muscle needed to find vaccines and treatments fast in a crisis.


    How do you feel about Trump's proposed 20% reduction in CDC funding then?


    All for it. Allow a profit from curing an illness and you'll cure an illness. But that's not it. The CDC and NIH waste a staggering amount of money on useless research.

    Telling Taxpayers How to Eat ($15 billion)
    Duplicate Agricultural Programs ($22 million)
    "Why Are Lesbians Fat?" ($2.87 million)
    Drunken Monkeys ($3.2 million)
    Bizarre Sex Studies ($1.5 million)
    "Mood Arousal and Sexual Risk Taking,"
    "Study on Sexual Habits of Older Men,"
    "Study on San Francisco's Asian Prostitutes/Masseuses,"
    "Study on American Indian Transgender Research."
    Funds for Homosexual Activists in Public Schools ($1.4 million)
    Centers for 'Gun Disease' Prevention ($2.6 million)
    National Institutes of 'Gun Control' ($5 million)
    Cocaine Enhances Japanese Quail's Sex Drive ($181,406)
    Empowering Women to Choose Contraception in Jail ($279,789)
    Bogus AIDS Experiments ($4.9 million)
    Sex Workers Spreading STDs ($675,786)
    Examining 'Barriers to Correct Condom Use' ($423,500)

    https://www.mrc.org/articles/hey-journalists-15-ways-nih-and-cdc-wasted-taxpayer-money
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    100+ page Senate report on CDC waste. It's unsettling.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/cdc_off_center.pdf
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    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.
    So, um, now the CDC has commented on the matter.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-warns-it-expects-coronavirus-to-spread-in-u-s-11582653829

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    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.
    So, um, now the CDC has commented on the matter.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-warns-it-expects-coronavirus-to-spread-in-u-s-11582653829


    Yes they have. Did you pay attention to the facts in that release, or did you just react emotionally?
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    Oldbear83 said:

    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.
    So, um, now the CDC has commented on the matter.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-warns-it-expects-coronavirus-to-spread-in-u-s-11582653829


    Yes they have. Did you pay attention to the facts in that release, or did you just react emotionally?
    I did. Did you? Just wondering your thoughts as a lot of it seems to run counter to what you were suggesting in previous posts.
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    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.
    So, um, now the CDC has commented on the matter.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-warns-it-expects-coronavirus-to-spread-in-u-s-11582653829


    Yes they have. Did you pay attention to the facts in that release, or did you just react emotionally?
    I did. Did you? Just wondering your thoughts as a lot of it seems to run counter to what you were suggesting in previous posts.
    It does not. For one thing, your link was to a media site, not the CDC itself.

    Second, I already explained the geographical spread in an earlier post, along with the declining rate of growth.

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    Bearitto said:

    Booray said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    BearFan33 said:

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/austria-croatia-confirm-first-coronavirus-cases

    Is it fair to say that we have lost containment? I'm thinking so...Maybe we do our bests to keep it at bay and hope it dissipates with warmer weather?



    By the way, the next time some socialist weasel wants to tear down 'Big Pharma', maybe remember we need those companies for the kind of mental muscle needed to find vaccines and treatments fast in a crisis.


    How do you feel about Trump's proposed 20% reduction in CDC funding then?


    All for it. Allow a profit from curing an illness and you'll cure an illness. But that's not it. The CDC and NIH waste a staggering amount of money on useless research.

    Telling Taxpayers How to Eat ($15 billion)
    Duplicate Agricultural Programs ($22 million)
    "Why Are Lesbians Fat?" ($2.87 million)
    Drunken Monkeys ($3.2 million)
    Bizarre Sex Studies ($1.5 million)
    "Mood Arousal and Sexual Risk Taking,"
    "Study on Sexual Habits of Older Men,"
    "Study on San Francisco's Asian Prostitutes/Masseuses,"
    "Study on American Indian Transgender Research."
    Funds for Homosexual Activists in Public Schools ($1.4 million)
    Centers for 'Gun Disease' Prevention ($2.6 million)
    National Institutes of 'Gun Control' ($5 million)
    Cocaine Enhances Japanese Quail's Sex Drive ($181,406)
    Empowering Women to Choose Contraception in Jail ($279,789)
    Bogus AIDS Experiments ($4.9 million)
    Sex Workers Spreading STDs ($675,786)
    Examining 'Barriers to Correct Condom Use' ($423,500)

    https://www.mrc.org/articles/hey-journalists-15-ways-nih-and-cdc-wasted-taxpayer-money

    This is the hidden corporation that D.C. is.

    Return some of the money to politicians as kickbacks for squeezing in funds to spending bills/studies.

    It's quite literally taxpayer money going to politician and lobbyists pockets with a worthless product to show for.
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    Oldbear83 said:

    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.
    So, um, now the CDC has commented on the matter.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-warns-it-expects-coronavirus-to-spread-in-u-s-11582653829


    Yes they have. Did you pay attention to the facts in that release, or did you just react emotionally?
    I did. Did you? Just wondering your thoughts as a lot of it seems to run counter to what you were suggesting in previous posts.
    It does not. For one thing, your link was to a media site, not the CDC itself.

    Second, I already explained the geographical spread in an earlier post, along with the declining rate of growth.


    Yes, of course its a media piece. Nevertheless, here's the official statement from the CDC as I, and I'm sure, you too, have listened to: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/a0225-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.html

    I agree with a lot of what you've posted (especially as it relates to the influenza,) and much of this relates to "scare of the day" bias. Both true.

    However, a lot of what you've posted is now being contradicted by the CDC. And that's okay. Things change. And with this particular situation, things appear to be changing rapidly. But a lot of your non-expert points above are now being directly contradicted by the CDC -the very group you said you'd choose to believe above all others.
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    Jack Bauer said:

    This is a real headline and Dick Pound is a real IOC member.




    I'll tell ya how Trump would handle IOC using the UN's World Health Organization to cancel Olympics on American soil

    He'd sue for 3x costs or embargo or tariff their butts til they gave in and at least allowing those that wanted to come at their own risk. Then he'd do best to make sure disease was controlled

    I'd also expect him to hold funding from UN if they cancel Olympics and maybe send it to Japan to compensate them for their losses

    Ticks me off when government cancels what athletes have trained all their lives, and especially last few years, for and are at peak condition. Carter did it but it wasn't unexpected he'd do it as he was completely incompetent similar to corrupt IOC
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    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    BaylorBJM said:

    Oldbear83 said:

    Hmmmm.

    Trust the doctors who spent their careers studying and fighting viruses, or trust a media known to make up stories in the interest of hype and ratings.

    Thanks, I will stick with the CDC, Lancet, and the people whose interest is based on finding solutions.

    But just to respond, yes there are 79k COVID-19 cases. For context, there are also between three and five million cases of influenza each year, causing between 250 and 500 thousand deaths.


    https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza


    The COVID-19 outbreak is worth paying attention to, but there are a lot of bad people selling hysteria well out of proportion.

    And yes, I am biased. My wife is in Hong Kong right now. Guess what? The city is doing fine, taking reasonable precautions but not going stupid like CNN.
    So, um, now the CDC has commented on the matter.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-warns-it-expects-coronavirus-to-spread-in-u-s-11582653829


    Yes they have. Did you pay attention to the facts in that release, or did you just react emotionally?
    I did. Did you? Just wondering your thoughts as a lot of it seems to run counter to what you were suggesting in previous posts.
    It does not. For one thing, your link was to a media site, not the CDC itself.

    Second, I already explained the geographical spread in an earlier post, along with the declining rate of growth.


    Yes, of course its a media piece. Nevertheless, here's the official statement from the CDC as I, and I'm sure, you too, have listened to: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/a0225-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.html

    I agree with a lot of what you've posted (especially as it relates to the influenza,) and much of this relates to "scare of the day" bias. Both true.

    However, a lot of what you've posted is now being contradicted by the CDC. And that's okay. Things change. And with this particular situation, things appear to be changing rapidly. But a lot of your non-expert points above are now being directly contradicted by the CDC -the very group you said you'd choose to believe above all others.

    First, I disagree about "contradiction". As you said, new information provides broader information and confirmation/refutation of prior claims.

    The disease, according to both prior and current CDC statements, is transmitted person-to-person, as is the case with most viruses.

    The CDC is warning that there will be "community spread", which in simple language means that the disease is being spread at unknown but discernible rates. The first doctor making statements repeated that mitigation and prophylaxis are both available and effective based on documented results.

    The new virus will be effectively addressed in much the same way as any flu outbreak is addressed.

    This in no way "contradicts" anything I posted earlier. And while I may not be an "expert", I damn well have been paying attention to everything released on the matter, and simply paying attention qualifies any literate person to make informed decisions.

    Second, while I respect the CDC, they are one of several sources I use. A number of medical journals post openly, most notably Lancet and JAMA.

    Finally, if you stayed on through the Q&A session, you would have heard the doctors note that scientific discussions are often treated superficially by the media. That remains a problem rather than part of the solution.



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