Oldbear83 said:
Porteroso said:
Oldbear83 said:
Just like 2016, you overvalue your position.
How do you know who I voted for in 2016? I'm curious, please lay out for me my political opinions, since you know so much. Do you think I voted for Hilary?
I'm not assessing the 2016 election, I'm assessing the current President's performance. How has he lead this country? What good has he done? There are always problem areas, what has he addressed? What has he done for the least of these, the poor? Trump's Presidency has not been all bad, but at its core, I cannot stand someone in office that is racist. What he said to non white senators, "go back to where you came from," when they are as American as you or I, but told that because of the color of their skin... if there was ever any doubt, it was laid to rest there. And let's not fool ourselves, he's not really any -ist other than himself-ist. He might not be the worst President we've ever had, but he's definitely the most disgusting. People hate the guy for a reason. He tried really hard to earn it. America is bigger than Blue v Red, it's a whole lot of people, and he never ever tried to do anything but "win" for his base.
He will end his Presidency with a horrific economy (not really his fault), truly hated by half the country, impeached, and if the winner does write history, the worst legacy of any American public figure, ever. He is divisive to a fault, and I cannot accept that. I believe in a united, strong America. Not all the same, but united. People who tear us apart are traitors to the Constitution, and to the intent of our founding fathers.
I said nothing about Hillary, and the absolute venom in your last 2 paragraphs tells me where your heart is.
You see what you want, and ignore anything which contradicts it. The "current position" is far more complex than what the media is selling today.
You seem to think I am some kind of Trump cheerleader. I was one of the 'never Trumpers' in 2016, because of those personality issues I saw in him. But it's a lie to call him racist, as anyone who has noted his actual work and behavior knows. It's a lie to say Trump earned the hate which the Left has poured on him without end since he announced he was running.
The economy is nowhere near "horrific". Once the virus crisis passes, the economy will come back very strong because of sound fundamentals, the same fundamentals that created the full employment and GDP growth you are ignoring now. And yes, Trump gets some credit for that for getting regulations lowered where appropriate and in protecting certain industries. And "worst legacy" is total BS. All in all Trump has done a solid job, and I could point to many recent Presidents who don't stand up as well to scrutiny, but those men enjoyed media cheerleaders. Trump is rude and clumsy in how he speaks at times. but for a lot of Americans that is unimportant. As for calling him a "traitor", that is laughably false and again demonstrates nothing but a despicable malice on your part.
This is a great example of arguing without intellectual honesty. It's a waste of time to try to be reasonable with someone like you. You didn't mention Hilary, but you did mention my position in 2016. What did that mean? We all know, the implication was that I was sure Hilary would win in 2016, like I am sure Biden will win this current year election. So I address that, and all the sudden you didn't mention Hilary? Again, dishonesty.
I am a fairly open minded person, which is why I am able to at least attempt to recognize things for what they are. I don't get along with close minded people like you or generic florida man, or people who think they are progressive leftists, for the same reason. I am willing to poke around, and call things out, and you are only willing to shout in echo chambers.
If the economy hasn't been in a horrific state the past few weeks, as in the stock market brought back to 2008 levels, then what is horrific to you? An estimated 2 million will lose their jobs in all of this, is that not horrific? I do agree the economy will come back, but this is not good, it's not mediocre, it is really bad for the economy.
Trump has not been the worst President ever, but he will have the worst legacy ever, of American Presidents. I do think people who intentionally tear America apart like him, and other politicians, are violating their oath to the Constitution. His obligation is not only to those who voted for him, it is to represent, and work for all Americans, which he has failed miserably on.
That is not despicable malice, it's an opinion that differs from yours. I know you don't understand the difference, but again, you're not alone. Many others on your wavelength.
