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Sometimes Trump is a buffoon. His critics often are even more so.

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It's hard to top the master.

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TrustTheProcess said:

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There is no future for this country the longer we remained locked up.

70,000 people die each year to hospital errors
49,000 people die to second hand smoke
15,000 people die by drunk driving
5,000 people die choking on food

Not to mention the 60,000 people who have already died this year alone due to the Flu. The same Flu that you can take a vaccine shot for each year.

If you believe all this hype then you aren't doing your research and asking "why" more than just once.

If you are afraid you'll get sick. Then stay inside - why should the 99.9999999999% be required to sacrifice.

Sick people die. Healthy people die. It's what happen. When your immune system is compromised, a virus of this type can inflict damage that could lead to death or maybe not.

There are known medicines in place today that can help people recover but we have political nonsense going on because they want there candidate in the WH.

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This is an incredibly selfish view to take. I could get into it more, and will if you like, but I wanted to simply point out that saying the equivalent of "people are gonna die, but I'm not old or immunity compromised, so it ain't me, forget all those other people," is the antithesis of a compassionate or responsible response to a global pandemic.

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Uh no, it's an incredibly common sense view to take and like most other people who think you think you are completely mischaracterizing what TrustTheProcess is saying.

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The problem with letting the disease go, is that hospitals will hit capacity. This disease is very contagious. The goal is to slow the spread of the disease so that healthcare is not overloaded. Using time as a mitigating factor will allow the health care industry to find a vaccine, and it will also allow time to develop a percentage of the population that are probably immune due to recovering the disease.

One other flaw in the argument presented above, is the claim that there are treatments available. I have not seen in the news any 100% proven treatments identified. There are some possibilities that are being tested.

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This.

And there are no proven effective treatments at the moment.

Furthermore, not shutting down puts doctors, nurses, and other first responders at risk. Professional medical people are dying as well.

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Well according to the national media we all should be died by August.

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According to our president, the virus was never going to amount to anything.

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You should find new news sources. Did you watch the videos today of your goofballs ignoring the virus?

Lots of people made mistakes in dealing with this crisis and that was inevitable. It is unprecedented and no one is perfect. Humans make mistakes. Trump made his share but so did his critics (politicians, most of the media, Hollywood morons, etc) who seem more interested in destroying him. That's been their main focus, often blinding them to reality and to the detriment of sound decisions, ever since November 2016. This is one reason they often look like fools/idiots.

If we really need to find someone to blame, how about the incompetent & tyrannical Chinese government who have been lying about coronavirus from Day 1 and still are. Remember, this is the same regime, the same totalitarian dictatorship that is responsible for the deaths of 50+ million of their own people. The Great Leap Forward & the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution were devastating. They only recently ended the barbaric one child policy. They still have concentration camps today. They are brutally repressive. The list goes on.

Have you seen the reports of the Chinese doctors with insight into the truth about this disease and how they have "disappeared"? It's quite likely they are dead or in a modern day Auschwitz.

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Sometimes Trump is a buffoon. His critics often are even more so.

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It's hard to top the master.

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Most of the mainstream media personalities are masters of buffoonery.

Everyone makes mistakes. True leadership is knowing and admitting you have and moving forward to correct. The buffoon in charge hasnt. FDR Reagan and Bush are rolling in their grave that this guy is our leader.

I could care less about the media or Hollywood. I dont look to them as role models or as leaders.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Everyone makes mistakes. True leadership is knowing and admitting you have and moving forward to correct. The buffoon in charge hasnt. FDR Reagan and Bush are rolling in their grave that this guy is our leader.

I could care less about the media or Hollywood. I dont look to them as role models or as leaders.

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Nor should you. Unfortunately, many people do listen to the media & Hollywood and they believe them.

As for Trump's narcissism, I saw the same thing with Obama and similar problems with Clinton & Bush 43. That's why I said what I did about Baby Boomers, aka the "me" generation. I cannot recall any of them ever admitting to making a mistake. Maybe W did because he occasionally did demonstrate genuine leadership.

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Well according to the national media we all should be died by August.

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According to our president, the virus was never going to amount to anything.

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It is good to see you

Chump? OMG! HE is a very big reason for so many deaths and delays. He is self-serving, narcissistic traitor to this country. He is in it for himself, not us. It may not be due to your vote in November, but Fat Butt is toast in 2020. I'll take that action any day.

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Everyone makes mistakes. True leadership is knowing and admitting you have and moving forward to correct. The buffoon in charge hasnt. FDR Reagan and Bush are rolling in their grave that this guy is our leader.

I could care less about the media or Hollywood. I dont look to them as role models or as leaders.

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Nor should you. Unfortunately, many people do listen to the media & Hollywood and they believe them.

As for Trump's narcissism, I saw the same thing with Obama and similar problems with Clinton & Bush 43. That's why I said what I did about Baby Boomers, aka the "me" generation. I cannot recall any of them ever admitting to making a mistake. Maybe W did because he occasionally did demonstrate genuine leadership.

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Your first sentence of your second paragraph is absurd. There is nothing more to say about it.

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Chump? OMG! HE is a very big reason for so many deaths and delays. He is self-serving, narcissistic traitor to this country. He is in it for himself, not us. It may not be due to your vote in November, but Fat Butt is toast in 2020. I'll take that action any day.

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Think again moron

This would suck.... But it would be better than a total cancellation.... And would avoid a huge financial loss

Plus....it would give the staff more time to install their new concepts.

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Everyone makes mistakes. True leadership is knowing and admitting you have and moving forward to correct. The buffoon in charge hasnt. FDR Reagan and Bush are rolling in their grave that this guy is our leader.

I could care less about the media or Hollywood. I dont look to them as role models or as leaders.

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Nor should you. Unfortunately, many people do listen to the media & Hollywood and they believe them.

As for Trump's narcissism, I saw the same thing with Obama and similar problems with Clinton & Bush 43. That's why I said what I did about Baby Boomers, aka the "me" generation. I cannot recall any of them ever admitting to making a mistake. Maybe W did because he occasionally did demonstrate genuine leadership.

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Your first sentence of your second paragraph is absurd. There is nothing more to say about it.

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I don't think Obama ever gave a speech that he did not make it all about himself. If he did, I do not recall hearing it. He was more of a narcissist than Trump--and that's saying a lot.

To be fair, though, I think all politicians who run for high office, especially the presidency, require a high level of ambition and ego to succeed. And unless they are deliberately humble, they will become narcissists with the job. It goes with the territory: on the one hand, they are often surrounded by sycophants and on the other hand, faced with constant criticism on the outside that is often very personal.

In my view, the best leaders are those who are humble and thus resist those natural tendencies towards self-centeredness. Maybe it's more noticeable in the more recent presidents because I've forgotten those traits of earlier ones.

College hoops competing with college football will kill attendance for hoops in the spring in most parts of the country. Hopefully there is a vaccine at that point so people will go to football games though.

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Not only are such conspiracy theories insane, events have proven them wrong. If this were a hoax designed to discredit Trump then it has backfired miserably. Right now, only Trump has come across as a leader in this crisis. Lie

Pelosi & Schumer tried to hinder the stimulus efforts with pork and an insane insistence that the mass murder of innocent Americans is "essential." Many politicians at the local level are in full Gestapo mode trying to close down churches permanently or fining people for NOT wearing a mask. close down churches permanently Another Lie. Prove it.
or fining people for NOT wearing Your freedom cannot put me at risk. Wear a mask
The media appear like buffoons: trying to censor the president in his own briefings Prove it. Media gives that buffoon too much air time
and suggesting that the crisis is hurting him. The crisis is hurting him but that's 45's fault not the media
They cannot stand that his poll numbers have gone up And headed down that's to his bungling and rambling at the pressers
and that he is far more popular than them! Whether they realize it or not, the media are helping Trump get reelected.

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Where do you get these lies?

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Readily available. CNN, PMSNBC, NYTimes, Waco Trib . . . Just requires a working mind.

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Give 2 examples. I have given 7 by our President
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Sometimes Trump is a buffoon. His critics often are even more so.

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The Buffoon is not President. Buffoons do not make good presidents.

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47 calling someone a buffoon is classic.

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But true of the president.

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That could be said of almost every politician in Washington and the Washington press corps as well.

The slight risk of contracting the virus, and the even more remote risk of dying from it, is not as bad as bankrupting millions, and possibly giving the keys to America to those who want to turn us into another failed Socialist State.

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There are not successful treatments being employed otherwise this would not continue to be a pandemic. These folks claiming there is a cure that is being used all over the place so we can open up are the same nuts who a month ago said either COVID was a hoax or if not a hoax not a big deal and would just be a few cases and would all be gone by 2 weeks.

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Who is claiming there is a "cure"?? And who said all will be gone in 2 weeks?? It's rare there ever is a "cure" for a virus as traditionally viruses are dealt with by treating the symptoms and attempting to keep them in check while the virus runs its course - and there are treatments being used for Covid which is a big part of the reason that 98% of the patients that contract it (even taking into account the high risk group) will recover.

It's even rarer that a true vaccine for a virus is found and utilized. There really isn't a true vaccine for the common flu as the popular "flu shots" (i.e. the injection of a sterile flu virus) aren't 100% and furthermore have to be repeated annually. What guarantee do we have that there will ever be a vaccine for Covid-19? We've spent who knows how many $$billions trying to find a vaccine for the HIV virus over the last 35 years and guess what - we still don't have one.

The true "nuts" in all of this are the people saying we have to stay shut down until there is a vaccine. If we're stupid enough to follow that course, at best we're going to turn into a 3rd world country well before that happens.

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The slight risk of contracting the virus, and the even more remote risk of dying from it, is not as bad as bankrupting millions, and possibly giving the keys to America to those who want to turn us into another failed Socialist State.

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Amen Brother. I feel the same way. Either "we get busy living or get busy dying" as Andy Dufresne would say.

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In all of American history, most presidents have been merely adequate. Some have been truly awful (Buchanan comes to mind, along with a few more recent ones) and very have been great (Lincoln & Washington are the most obvious).

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What made Lincoln and Washington great in your mind?

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In all of American history, most presidents have been merely adequate. Some have been truly awful (Buchanan comes to mind, along with a few more recent ones) and very have been great (Lincoln & Washington are the most obvious).

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What made Lincoln and Washington great in your mind?

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Washington is not only the greatest president, he is one of the greatest men in history. No one prior to him had ever achieved so much militarily only to resign and return home. Of all the founding fathers, this country would not exist but for him.

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In all of American history, most presidents have been merely adequate. Some have been truly awful (Buchanan comes to mind, along with a few more recent ones) and very have been great (Lincoln & Washington are the most obvious).

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What made Lincoln and Washington great in your mind?

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They led us through very difficult times and made a lot of tough decisions, usually for the best of the nation. They achieved great things (leading the nation through a very difficult beginning, getting through the greatest crisis in US history). Most important, though, in my mind what made them great was their humility and self sacrifice. Most politicians are known primarily for their self promotion and although Washington & Lincoln were not immune to that, those traits do not define them as much as others.

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In all of American history, most presidents have been merely adequate. Some have been truly awful (Buchanan comes to mind, along with a few more recent ones) and very have been great (Lincoln & Washington are the most obvious).

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Washington is not only the greatest president, he is one of the greatest men in history. No one prior to him had ever achieved so much militarily only to resign and return home. Of all the founding fathers, this country would not exist but for him.

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I place him as a close #2 behind Lincoln but you are absolutely correct.

Just to give you an idea of how great George Washington was, and recognized as such by his contemporaries, when King George III learned that Gen. Washington had voluntarily given up power (I do not know if George III knew GW had been offered a crown), he reportedly said, "If he does that, he will be the greatest man in the world." This was the king of England whom we had defeated in the War for Independence (& before his mental deterioration).

Good answers.

I personally believe that no president has benefitted more from revisionist history than Lincoln.